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Subject: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Jun 15 - 10:15 AM From the Washington Post. The Supreme Court on Friday delivered an historic victory for gay rights, ruling 5-4 that the Constitution requires that same-sex couples be allowed to marry no matter where they live and that states may no longer reserve the right only for heterosexual couples. This thread is about the U.S. Supreme Court decision affirming that marriage should be available to straight and gay alike in all 50 US states (and probably the territories as well). Please keep to the topic - posts bashing others are unacceptable. --mudelf
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST Date: 26 Jun 15 - 10:19 AM Good to see the US catching up with the civilized world, now they need only to do the same with guns and health care. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Deckman Date: 26 Jun 15 - 10:25 AM WOW ... this is sure going to irritate a bunch of christians! bob(deckman)nelson |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST,# Date: 26 Jun 15 - 10:37 AM Joe, wherever you are, your marriage is now legal all over the USA. It's too late for you now, but I hope you know it finally happened. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Stu Date: 26 Jun 15 - 10:48 AM Love wins, the haters lose. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST Date: 26 Jun 15 - 10:52 AM ...this is sure going to irritate a bunch of christians! Surely not true Christians, perhaps the extremists amongst them, who are an abomination anyway and well deserving of irritation. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Deckman Date: 26 Jun 15 - 10:56 AM I believe you miss-spelled "christians" . |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST,Mark Date: 26 Jun 15 - 11:39 AM Also some very encouraging news for some folks in southern Utah! |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST,McMusket Date: 26 Jun 15 - 11:40 AM My husband and I are married (in The Netherlands many years ago) and don't see this as some victory for a viewpoint but a victory for decency, morality and civilisation. Of course, when ancient wrongs are righted, it invariably becomes an excuse for the newspapers to dig out a few old bigots and give them the oxygen of publicity, so our celebrations of this landmark for our friend over there will begin once the hatred, scorn and stupidity that will now follow, dies. We joined civilisation here in Scotland a while ago, and whilst I didn't vote for them, SNP introduced equality in marriage and every one of their members should be proud of themselves. People who voted SNP believe in their mantra, prosperity through equality. (It's alright, this paragraph is aimed in a particular direction.) |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Mrrzy Date: 26 Jun 15 - 11:55 AM Vive la civilisation! Loving Liberty, Marriage Equality, Freaky Fraternity! Well, the first 2, anyway. Kinda like sex, drugs & rock'n'roll (I know, I know, blasphemy). |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Bill D Date: 26 Jun 15 - 12:19 PM In a blistering dissenting opinion, conservative Justice Antonin Scalia said the decision shows the court is a "threat to American democracy." The ruling "says that my ruler and the ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court," Scalia added. It didn't bother him at all to define corporations as people. The conservatives don't want to see the basic premises they are using.... that somehow their belief in fundamentalist Bible interpretation should be imposed on everyone... and that somehow centuries of repression and practice count as binding 'definition'. For many years, certain groups of people were 'defined' as inferior and treated as slaves. Now, we have some court decisions that implicitly correct those rationalized premises. I think the fact that 37 states already agree will prevent backsliding. Congratulations to all in the LGBT community, and may happiness be yours as you exercise these new rights. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST,saulgoldie Date: 26 Jun 15 - 12:45 PM My first thoughts are of joy for all my gay friends who may now "enjoy" all the thrills, spills, and chills that comprise marital, um, "bliss." (Do I sound bitter? Nah. I'll just keep marrying until I get it right. Probly cheaper on the heart and the wallet to just find a woman that I don't like and give her 1/2 my money and a house.) But seriously, I am thrilled. I am eager to see all the marriages of the homophobes disintegrate before our very eyes. But, ALSO...this will really play in the election, dontcha think? I wouldn't even bet on how. But undoubtedly a gamechanger. It should be very interesting, for sure. Saul |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST,# Date: 26 Jun 15 - 12:54 PM It won't change Bernie's stance at all. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: akenaton Date: 26 Jun 15 - 12:55 PM " Advocates called it the most pressing civil rights issue of modern times," They must be joking, this travesty affects a tiny portion of the population h |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: akenaton Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:01 PM Thankfully it seems that Christian ministers cannot be forced to conduct same sex marriage ceremonies. Another wedge is being hammered into society. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:05 PM "....haters...." ".......irritate a bunch of Christians.." I don't know if Christians can be more extremist over the pond, but they are not my feelings. And no other Christian I know. I am however ,saddened and disappointed by the redefinition of marriage and the further move away from Christian and biblical roots. It will now be even more than ever the new law "imposed on everyone" and cases like the Belfast baker, and the US florist will increase, as Christians wishing not to compromise will be targeted .....or Muslims or Jews etc. but if this was the will of the American majority in a free society, then there it stands for the foreseeable future. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Jim Carroll Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:11 PM "Another wedge is being hammered into society." The old usual homophobia. Thankfully, each refusal will been another nail in the coffin of the Church - R.I.P. "They must be joking, this travesty affects a tiny portion of the population" As bigotry has prevented us from knowing how many homosexuals there are, we have no idea how many will take advantage of the dropping of repressive laws. Even if your claim were true - doesn't the persecution of "a tiny portion of the population" matter to you? I'd have thought the rights of every human being on the planet were a matter of concern to those who care. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:12 PM Great day I think. I like Bill's take on this, that beliefs that are only beliefs must not be imposed on everyone by their adherents. Gay marriage is one such area where that applies. The right to abortion is another. Yet another is the right to not be an Islamist, even if you live in an IS-controlled area. Or the right not to be force-fed Christian doctrine in a faith school as though that doctrine was unalloyed truth. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:18 PM This new law will not be "imposed on everyone", pete old bean. You will be free not to be gaily married if you don't wish it. As for Christian roots, etc., I am not aware of any biblical condemnation of the concept of gay marriage. Perhaps you could provide chapter and verse. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: LilyFestre Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:20 PM It's about time! HOORAY! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST,Olddude Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:26 PM About time we follow the constitution as we should have. And as a personof faith God made all people and if you have faith your know better than to show bigotry against others who were born different from others. Besides, they have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us straight people. :) |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Ebbie Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:34 PM I am happy about it for not just my gay friends but for society itself. I've been reading some tripe about how damaging this new ruling is and will be but I think that's absurd. Surely- surely!- a society that accepts and welcomes love in its so many incarnations is a stronger, more vibrant community. I'd like to remind some of the 'tripe-ists' that in the Bible they ostensibly follow, marriage was a loose concept at best. "And he brought her into his tent and he knew her." Seven Hundred times. :) |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Don Firth Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:37 PM Not all Christians, by any means. The church my wife attends and that I also attend when I can (Central Lutheran Church in Seattle) has married several same sex couples. Whether the law recognized the marriages or not. Married, in the church, by the pastor. Last I heard, one man who was married to his partner in the church (another man) is now on the church council. This is the church where the pastor once held up a copy of the Bible and said, "This is not the Boy Scout manual. It is a book of questions, not answers!!" So the consensus in this church about the Supreme Court decision is "Bloody well about time!!" Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST,# Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:38 PM Well, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks, pro, con or undecided. The SCOTUS has ruled and it is now law in the whole USofA; it is now, as of this very day, right this second, a moot point. BTW, if the usuals want to squabble, please start a separate thread for it. Just from the kindness of your hearts. Howzat? |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Greg F. Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:44 PM If you listen to the pronouncements from Republicans from Jindal to Huckabee to Santorum to Tom DeLay (remember him?)to Rev. Franklin Graham (billy's kid) the SCOTUS decision is just another another example of "Persecution of Christians" and the "War on Christianity". These clowns should be institutionalized to protect themselves and others. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Joe Offer Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:50 PM The New York Times had a great article on the ruling. Here's an excerpt:
Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote the majority opinion in the 5 to 4 decision. He was joined by the court's four more liberal justices. The decision, the culmination of decades of litigation and activism, came against the backdrop of fast-moving changes in public opinion, with polls indicating that most Americans now approve of same-sex marriage. Justice Kennedy said gay and lesbian couples had a fundamental right to marry. "No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family," he wrote. "In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were." Some of you may be surprised to know that many Christians will rejoice in this decision. Not all Christians think the same. Justice Anthony Kennedy, who wrote the Supreme Court decision, is an active Catholic who enjoys a good reputation here in his home diocese of Sacramento. The denial of the right to marriage was an offense against Christian charity. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST,# Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:53 PM Greg, I'm thankful you can listen to Republicans enough to keep me informed :-) Frankly, they make me want to take a s##t. I can't believe anyone anywhere can be so stupid without benefit of a lobotomy. Seriously. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Joe Offer Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:55 PM Oh, and the president of the Boy Scouts has come out in favor of eliminating restrictions against gay Scout leaders. A friend of mine is a judge and a Scoutmaster. The State of California is requiring him to leave the Scouts within the year because of the Boy Scout policy against gay leaders. Maybe the Scouts can change their regulations, and not lose this terrific Scoutmaster. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Lighter Date: 26 Jun 15 - 02:32 PM > "says that my ruler and the ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court." Even Scalia has mellowed. Some years he wrote that people should be allowed to discriminate against gays to "protect" themselves. As reported today, his dissent was based on the very different principle that marriage equality should be left to the individual states or to Congress. Allegedly he also wrote that he did not have strong feelings about the issue. That would put him slightly to the left of some of the Republican presidential contenders, who want to ban gay marriages entirely. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Joe Offer Date: 26 Jun 15 - 02:44 PM As I understand it, gay marriage is already legal in 36 states. That leaves 14 states, and maybe some territories and Washington, DC. When does this decision take effect, making gay marriage legal throughout the U.S.? And since we now have universal legal gay marriage, can we start throwing criticism back at the troglodytes in the UK for still outlawing gay marriage in Northern Ireland? It seemed unfair to me that in many posts, UK Mudcatters have condemned the US as "backward" since only 36 states allowed gay marriage. The fact of the matter is that gay marriage was illegal throughout the world in 2000. The fact that it has become accepted so quickly is a real sign of hope, not cause for condemnation that it hadn't happened already. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Jun 15 - 03:16 PM It's a disgrace that gay marriage is still not legal in Northern Ireland. I applaud today's decision. US politics does seem to be infantile at times, more so than ours, which is no shining example. But that's because you have built-in democratic deficits, such as the undue influence of religious lunatics and backwoodsmen, extreme right-wing media with little counterbalance and the sinister impact of wealthy lobby groups such as AIPAC and the NRA. You do share a similar extra democratic deficit with us, which is the severe lack of balanced political education of our young people. We don't mind indoctrinating our kids with religious jumbo-jumbo but we're scared stiff, by the political right, of giving them the critical means to judge politicians on their true merits or otherwise. Hence Raygun, Dubya and the hockey mom. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST,Olddude Date: 26 Jun 15 - 03:30 PM Religious nuts steve are not religious. They are political like the pharacees of Christ's time. Obama said it best when he said the way to grace in the Lord is with an open mind and open heart. This is what I say to them. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST,McMusket Date: 26 Jun 15 - 03:40 PM Northern Ireland is an issue Joe. Although there is a case being drafted in European Court of Human Rights that should put the bigoted bastards in their place. Mind you, before you start having a pop at the civilised region of the planet, just remember it is your Vatican combined with their "enemies" in the U.S. Christian wrong who exacerbate, fund and Stoke up attitudes in the pigshit thick idiots who throw their weight around in NI. Akenaton. - Keep it up. Your credibility is at the point of comedy. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Janie Date: 26 Jun 15 - 05:04 PM Hi Deckman. Prejudice and stereotyping is not limited to conservatives, nor to Christians. Presiding Bishop on Supreme Court's ruling for marriage equality | June 26, 2015 2 Comments | [Episcopal Church Office of Public Affairs press release] Episcopal Church Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori has issued this statement following today's Supreme Court ruling: Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. [1Corinthians 13:4-8] I rejoice that the Supreme Court has opened the way for the love of two people to be recognized by all the states of this Union, and that the Court has recognized that it is this enduring, humble love that extends beyond the grave that is to be treasured by society wherever it exists. Our society will be enriched by the public recognition of such enduring faithful love in families headed by two men or two women as well as by a woman and a man. The children of this land will be stronger when they grow up in families that cannot be unmade by prejudice or discrimination. May love endure and flourish wherever it is to be found. The Most Rev. Katharine Jefferts Schori Presiding Bishop and Primate The Episcopal Church link here |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST,J. T. Date: 26 Jun 15 - 05:31 PM "For every form of evil which exists in thinly populated locales will also be found, but in greater degree, where men have multiplied; where there are countless vices peculiar to crowded districts. Consequently, if they are numerous, men support each other in rebellion, and are prone to become far more daring and defiant of God." J. Timothy Unruh idolphin.org |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link Date: 26 Jun 15 - 06:01 PM the designation " Christian " in todays culture has wide ranging meanings, that stretch from the question everything in the bible of don firth, through to extremists that might bomb abortionist places of business. but if you are willing to give any credence to a Christian who endeavours to be faithful to the teaching of scripture, you cannot conclude that this is bigoted and homophobic, when he can quote the definition of marriage, and the disapproval of same sex unions. having a biblical conviction does not mean that ill feeling and antagonism follow. however, since the homosexual activists have already taken Christians to law for following their biblical convictions, this law will only increase this. at present Christian ministers are not obliged to marry same sex couples, but I wont hold my breath that it will stay that way indefinitely. I hope I am proved wrong , but the instances of Christians already being taken to law over conscience decisions does not induce confidence for the future. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: gnu Date: 26 Jun 15 - 06:08 PM Anybody post this yet? I ask because I didn't read the thread. Makes no never mind to me what other folks do 'cept them what wants to make war, keep the poor poor, fuck over our environment and so on for $$$... ya know, real shit that actually affects other people and the EARTH. Rant over. Carry on. Smoke em if ya got em. I gotta go mow the lawn and that's far more important now that the Baptists are gonna light themselves on fire over gay marriage. Hmmm... I wonder if my Baptist neighbours will light themselves on fire... it would sure shut them the fuck up about my dandelions, the chemical sprayin twits. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Jeri Date: 26 Jun 15 - 06:14 PM I think the main thing with this is that marriage must be recognized in all states. If a couple is married in Vermont and go to a state that previously didn't allow same sex marriage, that state can't refuse to see that couple as married. They can bitch about it, much like some people will in this thread, until Hell freezes over... because that's all they CAN do at this point. Bitch, troll, and try to get everyone else's panties in a bunch because theirs are. The only thing I have to say is "YES! ABOUT TIME!" |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Jeri Date: 26 Jun 15 - 06:23 PM Gnu, I got on Facebook on break at work and heard about the decision, came back in and told a couple friends, who then told me about the wannabe flamer (haha). Stores around where that guy lives are, so I'm told, expecting a massive run on marshmallows. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST Date: 26 Jun 15 - 06:51 PM yes |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Don Firth Date: 26 Jun 15 - 07:02 PM Always glad to help a man of the cloth, Reverend Scarborough. Need a light? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Greg F. Date: 26 Jun 15 - 07:05 PM Greg, I'm thankful you can listen to Republicans enough to keep me informed :-) Frankly, they make me want to take a s##t. You & me both, Bruce. And they breed like crazy. I can only listen to them for a short time - but fortunately, due to their limited intelligence, that'sds all I need. Know thy enemy & all that. I can't believe anyone anywhere can be so stupid without benefit of a lobotomy. Seriously. Believe it. The whole Republican Party is now made up of complete fucking idiots. Any idea who holds the rights to Sontag's music these days? The Republican campaign song for 2016 should be "Send In The Clowns". |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: michaelr Date: 26 Jun 15 - 07:12 PM Good on SCOTUS for the majority decision, despite troglodytes like Scalia. Not so good yesterday, when they upheld the extortionary travesty Obama has the gall to call "health care reform". |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Jun 15 - 07:16 PM I think the main thing with this is that marriage must be recognized in all states. If a couple is married in Vermont and go to a state that previously didn't allow same sex marriage, that state can't refuse to see that couple as married. Well I don't think that's the main thing at all. The main thing is that you should have the right to get married in whatever state you happen to want to get married in. The can bitch about it, much like some people will in this thread, until Hell freezes over... because that's all they CAN do at this point. Bitch, troll, and try to get everyone else's panties in a bunch because theirs are. The sooner you realise that your coming here to moan that people who are expressing their opinions are "bitching" and "trolling", rather than expressing your own constructive opinion (or simply staying quiet if you can't be nice), the sooner your dyspepsia will settle down and the better this place will be. You really do need to calm down. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Janie Date: 26 Jun 15 - 07:37 PM Very well said, Bill D. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Jeri Date: 26 Jun 15 - 07:40 PM You're trying too hard, Steve. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Jun 15 - 07:52 PM You're just very trying. You have nothing to contribute. Go on, do your deleting. You know you want to. Michaelr, would you care to explain to us ignorant Brits, who enjoy universal healthcare free at the point of delivery, why so many of you yanks oppose moves to improve your health service, in which 44 million of your poorest people have no health insurance, no automatic right to healthcare, and who live in a country in which six out of ten bankruptcies happen through ill-health and its costs? Just curious... |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Greg F. Date: 26 Jun 15 - 08:00 PM Don't waste your time, Steve - the anti-healthcare troglodites don't need a reason. Probably part of the current U.S. Republican "War Against Poor People". Them poor folks should just get up off their asses and get a job, ya know.... |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: GUEST Date: 26 Jun 15 - 08:16 PM The ruling extends a legal status for same-sex couples that was previously only granted to male/female couples. Same-sex married couples can now be considered a single "entity" by the IRS for purposes of tax deductions; a same-sex spouse can now be considered a "dependent" for purposes of health care coverage offered by the employer of the working spouse; and the ruling should clear up any objections regarding who is the rightful beneficiary of the estate in the event of death of one of the spouses, etc. All good things in the eyes of equality. The fact that it compels all fifty states to recognize a same-sex marriage as "legitimate" is the foundation of this legal status. For those who argue that this is a slippery slope leading to marriage being defined so liberally that a human could marry a toaster, for example -- consider how impossible it would be to extend the benefits of a recognized legal status to an inanimate object. |
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Subject: RE: US Supreme Court sez Yes to Gay Marriage From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Jun 15 - 08:35 PM I repeat, possibly in different terms. Fifty states "recognising" gay marriage is not the issue. Fifty states celebrating the joy of gay marriage is what we strive for. As for toasters, I'm married to my Le Creuset large lidded casserole pan. Me and my Le Creuset, let no man put asunder. |
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