BS: Russian plane crash

Subject: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Kampervan
Date: 02 Nov 15 - 01:14 PM

I am appalled at the loss of life in this crash. The tragedy for the families involved is unimaginable.

But how great is the contrast with the loss of the Malaysian lane over Ukraine last July.

Russian investigators were on site within hours, and bodies have been repatriated today, as they should be.

Compare that to the response of Russian-baked rebels who refused access to the crash site of the Malaysian plane. This report from the BBC

''Following the crash, there was international outcry over the way rebels handled the debris site, leaving passengers' remains exposed to summer heat and allowing untrained volunteers to comb through the area.

This led to weeks of delays in the removal of the wreckage, but a deal made with local militias eventually allowed the work to begin.''

.
Do as you would be done by,Mr Putin.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Kampervan
Date: 02 Nov 15 - 01:23 PM

Russian-baCked rebels even!!

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Acorn4
Date: 02 Nov 15 - 06:32 PM

Bit of a difference in that the Russian plane hasn't crashed over a current war zone?

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Nov 15 - 08:55 PM

Well, those folks in the Ukraine were shooting at each other. That's a war zone, at least by my definition.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST, St. Winifred
Date: 02 Nov 15 - 11:42 PM

Rapparee - arrse.co.uk

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 15 - 12:14 AM

arrse.co.uk

yes, that is a very interesting website !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 03 Nov 15 - 04:04 AM

The Russian authorities - unconcerned with the 'Truth', are caught between blaming terrorist and so looking vulnerable and mechanical failure and so looking incompetent.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Nov 15 - 06:14 AM

And Egypt, who must lead the enquiry, are desperate for it to be a freak accident and not a deliberate attack.
They falsely claimed that the pilot reported problems.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 15 - 07:52 AM

The plane had, apparently, experienced a hard tail strike in a previous rough landing and the wreckage appears to point to the fact that the tail separated intact in the air.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 03 Nov 15 - 08:15 AM

I am once again astounded by comments from the Professor who claims that the Egyptian authorities lied about the pilot reporting problems.

The BBC said yesterday that "There have been conflicting statements from Egyptian officials about whether or not the pilot indicated any problems before the crash"

Personally I would think that if problems had been reported that information may not have disseminated throughout the whole of the system and therefore certain people may not be aware of the pilot reporting problems. Not that the Egyptians were lying.


BBC Report

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 15 - 08:27 AM

Ah, but then the Professor has super-powers not granted to the normal mortal.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Nov 15 - 01:09 PM

"There have been conflicting statements from Egyptian officials about whether or not the pilot indicated any problems before the crash"

If the pilot did not report any problems, and he did not, why state that he did?
Someone must have made it up.

I posted, "They falsely claimed that the pilot reported problems."

They did.
What is your complaint?

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Nov 15 - 01:15 PM

Independent, 3 days ago,

"An official from the Aviation Incidents Committee said the pilot had radioed air traffic control to report technical difficulties and planned an emergency landing at the nearest airport before losing contact with air traffic controllers. "
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/egyptian-plane-crash-isis-claims-militants-downed-metrojet-flight-but-officials-find-no-evidence-of-a6716241.html

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 15 - 05:25 PM

Methinks the Professor has just contradicted hisself.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 03 Nov 15 - 08:14 PM

"If the pilot did not report any problems, and he did not, why state that he did? Someone must have made it up"

So tell us professor one way or the other DID the pilot make any comment about the state of the aircraft?

If he did not please tell us how you acquired this knowledge which seems to have escaped all the major news agencies.

Of course it could be that you are just formenting argument with very little knowledge as you often do.

Quelle surprise

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 04:48 AM

If he did not please tell us how you acquired this knowledge which seems to have escaped all the major news agencies.

He did not.
Someone lied.
Those false claims have been withdrawn.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 04:51 AM

Independent, 2 hours ago.

"An instant onboard cataclysm could explain the lack of a distress call from pilot Valery Nemov, and co-pilot Sergei Trykhachyov. "No communication from the pilot was recorded at the navigation centres requesting anything," Mohamed Rahmi, a spokesman for Egypt's Civil Aviation Ministry, said. "

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 05:02 AM

Greg, you clearly have failed to comprehend any of this.

I said, ""If the pilot did not report any problems, and he did not, why state that he did? Someone must have made it up"

That was entirely accurate.
We now know that know problems were reported by the pilot, but a few days ago it was claimed they were.

In my first post I said, "They falsely claimed that the pilot reported problems."

That was true Greg and Rag.
What are you saying I got wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 05:23 AM

That was entirely accurate.
We now know that know problems were reported by the pilot, but a few days ago it was claimed they were.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 05:26 AM

Sorry premature posting above 0523 am
Keith can you repost that pasted statement so that it makes sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 06:51 AM

Certainly.
Now, know and no all in one sentence. Sorry. Should read,

"We now know that no problems were reported by the pilot, but a few days ago it was claimed they were."

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 07:15 AM

Thanks Keith

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 08:45 AM

People sometimes say things in a panic or make mistakes. This is not tantamount to making things up or lying.

People try to take political advantage in the wake of human tragedy. This is tantamount to appalling behaviour.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 08:46 AM

And another Russian plane went down, a cargo plane in South Sudan, also just after takeoff. Maintenance that bad?

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 08:57 AM

OK, transport plane, not cargo plane, so what in the world is a non-transport plane? Anyway, survivors! Blicky to the CNN version.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 08:58 AM

Oops, the internet let me think I had corrected my initial post this morning, I didn't mean just after takeoff, I had meant soon after.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 09:06 AM

8 hours ago

The full story will no doubt become clear eventually

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 09:35 AM

I agree Raggy,as I understand it there are four parties who will be involved in the investigation,Egypt, Russia,Airbus and the Irish who did the most recent airworthy certification of the aircraft.
The result should be trustworthy as it would be difficult to manipulate the findings to save embarassment by any party.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 12:48 PM

Dave,
"An official from the Aviation Incidents Committee said the pilot had radioed air traffic control to report technical difficulties and planned an emergency landing at the nearest airport before losing contact with air traffic controllers. "

This sounds more like a made up story than something said, "in a panic or make mistakes."

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 12:52 PM

BBC News:

Flights from Egypt's Sharm el-Sheikh to the UK have been delayed amid concerns a Russian plane crash on Saturday was caused by an "explosive device".

All flights due to leave the holiday resort for Britain this evening are affected, to allow UK experts to assess security, Downing Street said.

FLights have been suspended as a "precautionary measure" after "more information has come to light".

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 15 - 04:44 PM

Citing U.S. intelligence sources, CNN and NBC News report that a bomb planted by ISIS or an ISIS affiliate was most likely what caused Metrojet Flight 9268 to disintegrate mid-air over the Sinai Peninsula last weekend.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Nov 15 - 03:17 AM

Egypt is still denying it.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 05 Nov 15 - 03:43 AM

As Kampervan said in the opening post "I am appalled at the loss of life in this crash. The tragedy for the families involved is unimaginable"

Perhaps we should think on that before trying to score cheap political points.

I can live in hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Nov 15 - 09:15 AM

Rag, you were trying to score cheap points when you posted about me,

"So tell us professor one way or the other DID the pilot make any comment about the state of the aircraft?
If he did not please tell us how you acquired this knowledge which seems to have escaped all the major news agencies. "

The pilot did not but it was claimed he did.
That information was in the news reports.
That is how I knew about it.

I have not made any political points at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Nov 15 - 09:19 AM

You have not made any point worth considering, full stop.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 05 Nov 15 - 09:25 AM

Have you given any thought to the people who died.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Nov 15 - 11:14 AM

Yes I have Rag.
I have visited Sharm twice and was very moved and troubled by the crash, and especially by the pictures of children who were lost.

I am surprised that you ask me that.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 05 Nov 15 - 03:32 PM

As has already been said on another thread Keith. This thread is NOT about you. Nobody gives a flying **** who YOU are or what YOU think.

Just for once give it a rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST,Tunisia
Date: 05 Nov 15 - 09:54 PM

Don't discount Israel"
I don't (if you are referring to me) - 

Sorry Mr. Carrol, wrong thread

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 15 - 11:13 PM

It was the time of the preacher in the year of 01.

An' just when you think it's all over,

it's only begun

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Nov 15 - 04:42 AM

Rag, I assumed that your question, "Have you given any thought to the people who died." was directed at me.
Hence my reply.
Perhaps it was intended for Greg.

Either way it is an appalling example of cheap point scoring over a horrific human tragedy.
Contemptible.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Nov 15 - 04:48 AM

Strange that Professor in your first TEN posts to this thread not one mention of the victims.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Nov 15 - 04:59 AM

The first two sentences of the OP express humanitarian concern, which all accepted.
Otherwise, no-one has including YOU RAG.
It is not that kind of thread.

Your attempts at cheap point scoring over this are indeed despicable.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Nov 15 - 05:05 AM

Including me eh

"As Kampervan said in the opening post "I am appalled at the loss of life in this crash. The tragedy for the families involved is unimaginable"
Perhaps we should think on that before trying to score cheap political points"

Go away Professor you expressed no interest in the victims in your first TEN posts and have only taken umbrage when that was pointed out.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Nov 15 - 10:44 AM

Just yesterday Rag, and just to score a cheap point.
Nothing in the previous 3 days of posting, and nothing from anyone else either.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Nov 15 - 11:33 AM

SO, it's looking more and more like a bomb, which the second plane crash made me think less likely (maintenance issues seemed more likely). It's been a long time, it also seems to be, since terrorists blew up an airplane. But the second Russian plane crash is not being attributed to terrorists, yet, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Nov 15 - 04:19 PM

Hi Raggy what is it about you and others on this forum that if Keith A posts something you feel duty bound to go into attack mode - is it an automatic response like with Pavlov's dogs and the ringing bell? Getting rather tiresome and very boring. Keith A made some valid points about what was initially reported - and let's cut out the rather childish "Professor" jibes - you are only making yourself out to be a complete and utter prat. You yourself could not give a flying F**k about those killed your initial responses show that - your primary response and sole raison d'être on this forum is to attack Keith A never once addressing what is actually said.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 07 Nov 15 - 02:21 AM

I agree with you Teribus. It is time for the nasty anti anything Kieth says brigade to grow up and give it a rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Nov 15 - 03:49 AM

Well said Teribus, Keith has shown great patience with these people.

There is no excuse for personal nastiness and name calling.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian plane crash
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 15 - 08:17 AM

I also agree. It is these arsewipes that destroy threads.