BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 01:19 PM

Maybe you can answer this, Hi, in Ake's absence:

When was the last time one of the media jackals, after a murderous rampage, bombing, or arson attack on a Planned Parenthood facility, shoved a microphone in the face of a Catholic priest or Protestant minister and asked if the murderer/bomber/etc was "radicalized" in the individual's church?

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 12:55 PM

No Greg, some could live without your nasty and divisive comments. No suggestion was made by me as the religion of the attackers in California. You opening post suggested, quite clearly, a religious component..ie Christian. You jumped to a conclusion and were taken to task for it by a number of people, including a moderator who felt, with some justification, that you had put a spin on something which you clearly had no information about. Disagreeing with you does not mean people are racist, republican or islamophobic..it just means they disagree with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 10:58 AM

your posts on other subjects are getting you into trouble

I know, Ake - some folks seem to want me stop being "divisive" and adopt the same line as the howling mob of Muslim-baiting, racist, hysterical Islamophobes and the Republican pond scum vying for the Presidental nomination. Go figure.

By the way- when was the last time one of the media jackals, after a murderous rampage, bombing, or arson attack on a Planned Parenthood facility, shoved a microphone in the face of a Catholic priest or Protestant minister and asked if the murderer/bomber/etc was "radicalized" in the individual's church?

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 08:42 AM

Greg, I never said that Assad leads a "liberal democratic government", if he did he would have been beheaded years ago and the Caliphate would include the whole of Syria.
What I did say, was that the West pretend that a "liberal democratic government" can survive.

It did not come to pass in Egypt, Libya, or Iraq, why should it be different in Syria?

On a more personal note, your posts on other subjects are getting you into trouble and you seem to be losing concentration on this one, take a couple of days off to collect your thoughts or you will end up like some of the sad GUESTS who are reduced to mindless insult.

I do respect your plain speaking here and you are not a bitter ideologist like some UKers......just friendly advice Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 08:15 AM

Assad- a "liberal democratic government"? - Give me one of whatever he's drinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 08:02 AM

Aye I'm with you there Teribus....on politicians and lawyers.

And on un-named guests who have nothing to say on the subject under discussion. Only inane insult and indecipherable "wit".

I don't agree with you about the best way to conduct the campaign against the Jihad i's.
Constructing a western coalition to oppose Russia and Assad's troops seems crazy.......the opportunity is there to form a United front against ISIS including a proper army of ground troops...and as I have said already co-operation over THIS issue could lead to further progress between West and East over trade, climate change and many other issues
Putin has already offered to join such a coalition under the UN banner

Regarding Assad, he has been battling these scum for years....and I don't suppose that someone with your knowledge would visualise a "liberal democratic government" surviving in Syria should he be forcibly removed.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 04:05 AM

GUEST - 04 Dec 15 - 03:24 AM, what on earth are you wittering on about now GHOST? One thing you are doing thankfully is illustrating to everyone on this forum what a complete and utter waste of space you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 03:24 AM

Why would you believe any politician when you can record your own voice eh?

Ignorance is bliss Terribilus.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 03:19 AM

Big difference between me and thee Bridge is that I do not believe a single word ANY politician says - next down the list comes lawyers.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Dec 15 - 04:41 PM

You can reduce the queue for benefits by making them stand closer together!!

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Dec 15 - 09:20 AM

Don't be daft, Terribilis, try listening to the Etonians in stead of kissing their arses.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Dec 15 - 07:39 PM

Don't be so disingenuous Dave - you know as well as I do that the way the word was used by Raggy was as an insult. But I still maintain that it is only the left that go on about under-class, people "knowing their place" they do that as they have to keep class hatred alive to maintain their voter base.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 02 Dec 15 - 03:54 PM

Plebs were free citizens who were not Patricians. I think most of us are Plebs.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Dec 15 - 03:20 PM

Clarity in either speech or in writing isn't really all that difficult Shimrod - Personally I couldn't give two hoots who you vote for as long as the other party get in - now more or less a foregone conclusion with Corbyn leading the opposition.

"I suppose that, as a mere member of the lower orders, I've still got to learn where my place is ... ?" - yours words Shimrod so whatever turns you on - the only person on this forum I have ever heard call someone a "pleb" was Raggytash - typical of a Champagne/Islington Socialist is it Shimrod?

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 02 Dec 15 - 11:14 AM

Sol the 11th Commandent is:





Thou shalt not get caught

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 02 Dec 15 - 10:44 AM

" ... pity that you weren't so candid when you first posted about it."

Oh, sorry, Teribus! I hadn't realised that I was obliged to display candour by revealing the exact details of my voting record to you!

I suppose that, as a mere member of the lower orders, I've still got to learn where my place is ... ?

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 02 Dec 15 - 09:59 AM

11th Commandment:
"All good threads shall endeth up in a pissing match".

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Dec 15 - 09:23 AM

Wrong again, Mither and Blether and together (whichever ones you are). And wrong again Terribilis. Maybe the four of you should stick together, with Akenhateon, you seem to have as much grasp on reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Dec 15 - 03:31 AM

Thanks for the clarification, pity that you weren't so candid when you first posted about it. Wonder which pin the usual suspects will select next to hold their masked ball on.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 15 - 03:27 AM

No. That's the one Musket's bailiffs refused to take. 😄

On the day "the miners went back" it was significant that in the Yorkshire region alone, there were less men at work than the previous weekday. (BBC documentary.) It appears that almost every man had decided to stop supporting Scargill and Thatcher in their combined plan to shut the industry.

Calling miners Thatcher supporters goes to show how disconnected men of privilege such as George Osborne and Richard Bridge really are. Both claim empathy with real people, both claim to have met real people but both let their extreme ideology get in the way of understanding real people.

I do get confused, I don't know which Musket that was above, but no matter because even if Richard Bridge posted anonymously, it had his confusion written all over it.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 02 Dec 15 - 02:45 AM

"And my guess is that he voted for Labour after that more than once."

So desperate now that you're calling me a liar, eh, Teribus?

I can confidently assert that I've not voted Labour since the end of Blair's first term.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Rhuddlan
Date: 02 Dec 15 - 01:43 AM

Cradled in a manger, meanly,
Laid the Son of Man His head;
Sleeping His first earthly slumber
Where the oxen had been fed.
Happy were those shepherds listening
To the holy angel's word;
Happy they within that stable
Worshipping their infant Lord.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 09:24 PM

"Jacqui and I only ever had one pushchair, and that was second hand and patched up."

If it was early 80s you may have bought it off me. Was it a McClaren and did it have a dishonestly bodged-back-on front wheel?

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 08:51 PM

PPS - badly expressed above. It was the views of the strikers that are now shown as justified.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 08:50 PM

Oh, and PS - pram and pushchair? There's posh. Jacqui and I only ever had one pushchair, and that was second hand and patched up.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 08:32 PM

Mither, you seem to know very little about lawyers. You also seem to have no current or recent affinity for socialism, and no historical understanding of Scargill. You persistently advocate for the miners who undermined the strike, whose views on the bitch Thatcher are now shown as justified as her political spawn demolish the welfare state, and you brag about your current wealth. Ignorant turncoat braggart. Not a pretty picture.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 06:01 PM

Well thank you very mush for that clarification Shimrod - now lets hear from the rest of the gang - apologies would be nice as they seem to be so much into them - If they are wondering what they apologising for - HEY GUYS SHIMROD VOTED FOR BLAIR - GOT THAT.

And my guess is that he voted for Labour after that more than once.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 02:14 PM

I don't suppose you are going to offer an apology are you Teribus.

I can live in hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 01:36 PM

"Are you really trying to tell us that Shimrod - ardent supporter of the left (According to his statements) after 18 years of Conservative Governments in 1997 with Blair leading the Labour Party Shimrod did not vote to do everything he could to ensure a Labour victory?"

If I remember correctly, Teribus, you nit-picking Tory toe-rag, I have not voted Labour since the end of Blair's first term. Happy now?

I certainly wouldn't describe myself as "an ardent supporter of the left". Your side of the political spectrum are the ONLY ones who witter on about "ardent supporters of the left" ...

Actually, I believe in social justice and equality of opportunity - but, above all, I'm an (ardent) environmentalist.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 09:58 AM

You see, there's the problem Bridge. Whilst you were at your public school, privilege and Law School, learning how to prey on misery as a solicitor whilst voting Tory, I actually was a striking miner. Like 97% of all NUM members, I went back when Scargill's criminality and exploiting us for his own narrow political gains became apparent to us all.

Funny how he dare not show his face in Barnsley these days. Most of us equate the crook with his stable mate Th*tcher. He delivered her agenda perfectly. His legal team kept his corruption quiet for him for years. Makes you proud to have your articles eh?

Supporting Th*tcher is something you did. I actually was "the enemy within" and some of us actually did the sacrifice (lost my home, bailiffs asking us to choose between keeping pram or pushchair) that you could only sit and dream of whilst quaffing Chateau Reynella at black tie Law Society dinners.

I had two bottles of champagne. One called Margaret that has now been drunk and before long, I can pop the cork on Arthur. Armchair socialists need not apply for a drink.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 09:20 AM

"your views all seem to flow from your main apparent belief that the lower orders (and Johnny Foreigner) - and the ordinary soldier - should know their place."

Really Bridge - "seem to", "apparent" - Hate to bring it to your attention but your side of the political spectrum are the ONLY ones who witter on about "the lower orders" - to me no such category exists - you appear to be the only one banging on about people "knowing their place". Your post is an attempt to put me in mine.

You could of course confound us all on this forum by actually follow up your idiotic and baseless allegation by coming up with some substantiation - but I won't hold my breath. All in all that last post of yours is just yet another cowardly hit and run, which to me on this forum is water off a ducks back, all you are succeeding in doing is demeaning yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 08:36 AM

The important thing, Mither, is that you are still a traitor who supported Thatcher's own enemy within the NUM during the miners' strike, and still a foolish follower of B.Liar.

Terribilis, your views all seem to flow from your main apparent belief that the lower orders (and Johnny Foreigner) - and the ordinary soldier - should know their place. That is not acceptable.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 07:57 AM

Ehmmm Raggy (Who is Raggytash on any thread other than any thread on the First World War because he made a complete and utter twat of himself there) unlike you any opinion I hold on any subject I can justify, and I am fully prepared to discuss with anybody the reasons I hold that opinion. Unlike you I DO tend to question things, I do employ reasoning, logic and commonsense before I form an opinion on anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 07:49 AM

That is bloody rich coming from you Teribums, rich indeed. Go back to your Daily Mail it's about your level.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 07:43 AM

"Hasn't voted since Blair" WHAT?

That's your trouble Raggy you believe absolutely everything you want to and you question nothing. Reasoning, logic and commonsense do not ever enter the equation with you do they?

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 07:36 AM

If Shimrod says he hasn't voted Labour since Blair why should I disbelieve him.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 07:24 AM

Hi Raggy, just for once in your life try to use a bit of reasoning and logic for a change. Are you really trying to tell us that Shimrod - ardent supporter of the left (According to his statements) after 18 years of Conservative Governments in 1997 with Blair leading the Labour Party Shimrod did not vote to do everything he could to ensure a Labour victory?

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 06:49 AM

(Shimrod)- "I haven't voted Labour since Blair. I despise them as much as you do - but probably for different reasons." (The full quote)

(Territowelling) "Since Blair left office? Which would make it 2007 so old Shim would have voted Labour in 1997, 2001 and 2005"

Try again Teribums, if Shimrod hasn't voted labour since Blair he would NOT have voted labour in 1997, 2001, 2005 or even 2007 because Blair didn't resign until AFTER the election.

You are very much like your mate, twisting words to your own warped logic.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 06:36 AM

"I was young and foolish..,"

At least you're not young any more Bridge.

We can't all get it right. After all, what is right for you isn't right for most, what is right for Akenaton isn't acceptable and what is right for Terribulus can be seen by the vindictive, devisive, blinkered government we have now.

Getting it right isn't easy. Steve Shaw supports Liverpool, for Clapton's sake.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 06:26 AM

"I haven't voted Labour since Blair."

Since Blair left office? Which would make it 2007 so old Shim would have voted Labour in 1997, 2001 and 2005.

Or since Blair became leader of the party - Shimrod was somewhat less than clear - seems to be endemic and Shimrod hasn't seen fit to clarify.

Steve Shaw - 30 Nov 15 - 07:56 PM - Ehmmm NO Steve, any idea how long it takes to evict someone? Can take months. Cases of tenants arriving in one place, getting placed by the council then spending their "housing benefit" on anything but housing and not paying landlords. Eviction procedures then put in train, taking up to five months to effect eviction in which time not a penny is paid. The tenants then leave the property in such a state the landlord has to completely redecorate and the tenants move to another place and repeat the exercise.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 05:24 AM

Shimrod, Of course there is an alternative, but the "liberals" hate it even more than they hate the Conservatives :0) Why??

There was this guy Cammpanela who lived six hundred years ago and he knew the answer

THE PEOPLE is a beast of muddy brain
That knows not its own strength, and therefore stands
Loaded with wood and stone; the powerless hands
Of a mere child guide it with bit and rein;
One kick would be enough to break the chain,         5
But the beast fears, and what the child demands
It does; nor its own terror understands,
Confused and stupefied by bugbears vain.
Most wonderful! With its own hand it ties
And gags itself—gives itself death and war         10
For pence doled out by kings from its own store.
Its own are all things between earth and heaven;
But this it knows not; and if one arise
To tell this truth, it kills him unforgiven.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 05:13 AM

Bear in mind, Mither, that back when I was young and foolish, "one-nation" conservatives were in general further left than Tony B. Liar, who badly failed to reverse conservative rhetoric or to provide effectively for those at the bottom of the heap. You got it wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 04:11 AM

No, Teribus, I'm not a serf - but then it's not just about me, me, me is it (like it probably is for you, you selfish Tory tw*t)? I got out of the work place 10 years ago - or rather I was pushed out through redundancy. Luckily, by that time, I had more or less paid off my mortgage and had accrued a decent pension. I was in the right place, at the right time, but I fear, for the generations that come after me, the world will become increasingly like the one depicted by achmelvich above.

And Akenaton, there HAS to be an alternative to evil Tory tw*tishness - people and the planet can't support rampant neo-liberalism for much longer.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 03:11 AM

I have lots of regrets Bridge. Mainly when I foolishly took on legal advice on many occasions against my better judgement.

But with regard to Bliarism, I voted and hoped for a pragmatic government that realised the role of government includes looking after everybody but also realised where the funds to do so come from.

I wasn't wrong.

A bit like when you were a Tory. You saw the logic of one nation. Me? I would never ever sink as low as voting Tory though. Unlike you my weird friend.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 02:44 AM

'our allies in syria' are ordinary people there who only want to live in peace in a functioning democracy. not david cameron's imaginary moderate army.
they have close links with hundreds of thousands of iraqis who we carpet bombed in order to liberate them from saddam hussein.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Nov 15 - 08:39 PM

That's a total straw man Akenhateon - throw your lot in with Terribilis and you are the enemy of everyman - nothing to do with (as our UKRAP friends would say) "LibLabCon".

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 15 - 07:56 PM

Get real, Teribus. If you don't pay the private landlord the housing benefit money you receive, you get evicted. It may pass through your hands but the landlord will make damn sure he gets all of it off you. He knows what you get, he thinks it's rightfully his and there are no controls on him. By far the biggest beneficiaries of our having a welfare state are the landlords, the loan sharks and the big companies who don't pay decent wages.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Nov 15 - 05:14 PM

Richard, I don't see the "game/war" as between Labour and Tory, that is for dim wits.

I suppose you have worked that out, but oh well cant pass up the chance for a bit of name calling, can we.

People like you are the problem, but I don't suppose you really want change either.....better add lawyers to my list.

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Nov 15 - 05:04 PM

Achmelvich....who exactly are "our allies in Syria"? Are they the same allies we had in Libya?

Subject: RE: BS: Reducing the UK welfare bill
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Nov 15 - 02:29 PM

Well, that clears up whose side Akenhateon is on - and it's not that of everyman.

Nice to see Terribilis getting universally shat on for his lies and hatred.

Nice to see Mither regretting his former Bliarism.