BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro

Subject: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 11:50 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Pakistan Nukes

Pakistani tactical Nuclear weapons-

The thread was removed- I guess it is not allowed to prove "Liberals" wrong around here.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 11:56 AM

Not closed, not edited and commented, but just.... removed.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 11:57 AM

Probably a wrong guess - there are other far more likely reasons why.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: PHJim
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 11:59 AM

It seems strange that many folks seem to use the word "liberal" as a derogatory term. The dictionary definition is, "open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values." Is that a bad thing?

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 12:09 PM

Guest,

when some mudelf chooses to act without comment or explaination, and there are mudelfs who have demonstrated a willingness to "slant" the editing to favor those they agree with, the timing seems a little... suspicious.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 12:19 PM

i had a thread removed enquiring about prince philip and his nazi connections, which would appear to contradict your point

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 12:20 PM

prince philps two sisters married nazis.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 12:24 PM

I'm a liberal by any non partisan definition.

In fact, anyone with a sense of common decency is.

The thread was a repeat of Indian military propaganda aimed at vilifying the Pakistani military. So using it to defend other rogue states (such as Israel) with nuclear ability is repugnant.

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Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 12:31 PM

PH Jim, many of the people who purport to be liberal on this forum, are the most intolerant and illiberal people that I have ever encountered.
They see everything which is socially conservative, as evil, bigoted, or racist, they have no wish to debate controversial subject as they declare that it gives their opponents "the oxygen of publicity"
They issue death wishes, they use personal attacks on ones family, they stalk throughout the threads........all in all they are exceedingly bad eggs.
Liberalism, is also used by many people as a political weapon and it is effective, no matter the idiocy being advanced by the so called liberals. This use is the antithesis of true liberalism, so whenever I see it brought into play I refer to the perpetrators as "liberal"......liberal in name only.

This problem has all been caused by the confusion of social and political issues......ending in the gridlock we see in American Politics......there is good and bad in both social conservatism and liberalism.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 12:31 PM

"The thread was a repeat of Indian military propaganda aimed at vilifying the Pakistani military."


No. it was not, alyhough the "liberal posterboy" tried to say so. It was an analysis of why Tactical Nuclear weapons are, in general a BAD idea to develop and use.


" So using it to defend other rogue states (such as Israel) with nuclear ability is repugnant. "

Only the anti-Semite Jimmy boy was using it as such.





I should probably change this to "Threads removed when Liberals are threatened with being proven wrong." Since I have yet to see ANY facts presented by the "Liberals" around here, they have hardly been given the chance to defend their opinions. Too bad they choose not to provide any factual basis to consider.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 12:36 PM

Conservatism - from the foregoing we find that this term conveys the following:

       A free market and the personal acquisition of property by individuals
       Individual freedoms and property rights are representative of attendant moral, religious, political, and civil rights.
       In accordance with the Constitution, the federal government is limited to acting in those areas wherein the states themselves do not have that ability, in inter-state matters and in foreign relations.
       There is great importance placed on separation of powers, judicial review, and states' rights as opposed to federal power.

Simplified Definition: An ideal "conservative" believes in the importance of the individual person and the family structure; that it is the responsibility for the individuals within each family to do as much as they can for themselves before asking for assistance. When assistance is needed the route taken is community, city, county, state and federal, in that order, with the federal government the avenue of last resort. A conservative believes in the least government possible.

Liberalism – from the foregoing we find that this term conveys the following:

       Government should correct economic deficiencies caused by an unregulated free market economy
       Government should provide social welfare
       It is right for government to impose progressive income taxation
       Government should impose a minimum wage
       The social security system should remain a system where those working support those who are receiving social security payments
       Government should only support public education. forcibly paid for by taxpayers even though some object to certain subject matter and the manner in which it is taught .
       Stringent government imposed safety and health regulations.
       Consumer protection and environmental preservation laws.

Simplified definition: An ideal liberal takes the completely opposite position to an ideal conservative vying for a socialistic form of government working from the top down wherein the freedom of the individual is compromised for the supposed good of the collective group.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: Newport Boy
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 01:10 PM

Bruce - I don't usually bother with political threads, but just a comment.

Your definitions of "conservative" and "liberal" are very narrowly US based. They would not be recognised in much of Europe.

Phil

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 01:11 PM

In actual fact:

A Conservative is someone who will spend his money and effort making other people do what he wants them to do.

A Liberal is someone who will spend other peoples' money and effort making other people do what he wants them to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 01:14 PM

Phil,

Thank you for the comment. We ALL need to be reminded that "our" local definitions may not apply to other cultures, even those as close as Europe and the US.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 01:16 PM

Phil is right. BB is a typical US right wing fantasist bullyboy.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 01:20 PM

Phil is right, and there needs to be more consideration of other viewpoints here.

YOU, on the other hand, are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 01:21 PM

" ... wherein the freedom of the individual is compromised for the supposed good of the collective group."

The word "freedom" is a loaded word, in this context, isn't it? Far too often it seems to mean: "freedom for rich and privileged 'individuals' to act selfishly and irresponsibly with no regard for the rest of society and the health of the environment on which we, and future generations, depend for our survival."

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 01:38 PM

Fair enough comment, but is something a "freedom" if it is only allowed to what one side wants?

If one allows only those that one agrees with the freedom to speak, are you allowing freedom, or creating a dictatorship of one side?

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 01:48 PM

So there are two sides, then? Wouldn't it be better if we just had one side?

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: Max
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 05:25 PM

Oh my, I must've clacked instead of clicked... what site am I on?

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 05:28 PM

One rather disreputable method of "debate" is to marginalize the opposite point of view by lodging false allegations of racism, homophobia, islamophobia and so on. the object is to demonize the opposition rather than address the issues.
I see a lot of that lately, not only here on mud at, but in political debates in general. I may snot agree with some of the views expressed here, but in a civil society, all sides have a right to be heard . A democracy wich curbs freedom of speech is on a slippery slope.
Both "left" and " right" wing ( whatever that means) have a right to express opinions. If threads disappear because moderators disagree with posters, that is plain wrong., or posters ought to be told what points of view are " acceptable. otherwise the whole forum become s a farce.
That is just my opinion and I could well be wrong, however I should not be vilified or insulted for stating it.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 06:00 PM

Well, it just doesn't seem to me to be that the moderators do what they do for political reasons. Seems to me, they do what they do to keep the peace and keep somewhat of a lid on bullying. We get complaints from the conservatives that we favor the liberals, and we get vehement complaints from the liberals that accuse us of "harbo(u)ring" conservatives and homophobes.

We must be doing something right.

Merry Holly Days, Y'all!

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 06:05 PM

The thread was removed- I guess it is not allowed to prove "Liberals" wrong around here. Not closed, not edited and commented, but just.... removed.

It was removed to get rid of your usual reeking mound of Bearded Horseshit before it stunk up the place too badly.

For which action the Mods should be roundly applauded.

BrucieBraidedBSBeard, you really DO need to get back on a regular course of medication - your grasp of reality is slipping even as your paranoid fantasies are increasing.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 06:08 PM

I have not seen the thread in question, but many of the threads I have been in were closed down probably because of personal attacks by certain posters , who in their turn complain that the posters they were attacking were guilty by virtue of being opposed to their views , and therefore, of neccessity , ignorant and/or offensive. Can't be easy being a mod !.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 06:09 PM

BullyBoyBruce - Phil did not say that. Your sociopathy ought not to be tolerated. Are you supporting Trump? You sound his sort.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 06:17 PM

It often seems to me that some people cruise headlines and consider them based on how badly they can fuck up Mudcat with the topic. I'm sick of the garbage, but how it's working out is that some folks have self-sequester themselves into their own little empires of shit. Shame that's what Mudcat is to them, but it's getting easier and easier to just walk away.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 06:41 PM

some people cruise headlines and consider them based on how badly they can fuck up Mudcat with the topic

I hope you reconise yourself, Bearded BS.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 07:06 PM

I disagree. The topics are legitimate discussion points, the only reason they become confrontational is because of the extremists here - on both sides but mostly the regressive left who, instead of discussing the topic start hurling invective in an attempt to stifle dialogue and it usually works for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Threads removed when Liberals proven wro
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 07:12 PM

Well, Joe! Sometimes keeping the peace means favouring one side over the other and that is not moderating, that is choosing sides ,

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Enough Already. Starting a thread intended only to generate another fight is a calculated move that is sometimes managed by a mudelf with a delete button. One of the regular mudcat combatants has recently shared news of pancreatic cancer, and the entire tone of the site shifted, people offered condolences and sound advice - resulting, one hopes - in somewhat more civil behavior by and around that member. This thread takes the tone of conversation in a direction that benefits no one except the person who started it who apparently has elevated endorphins when people respond angrily. That is not a good reason for starting a thread.