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Subject: Australian address required please From: RoyH (Burl) Date: 05 Dec 99 - 05:40 AM Help please, 'catters in Australia. I am seeking the address of Warren Fahey,of Larrikin Records (slogan, "Real Music in a Sea of Shit.) He had a music shop in Sydney the last time I was there, circa 1981. Address, snail or e-m of Warren, or the shop, or rrecord label will do. I suspect they'll all be the same. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Helen Date: 05 Dec 99 - 06:01 AM Hi Burl, This is the address of the shop but I don't know if Warren Fahey is still connected with it. It has branched out from folk music to alternative/modern music so it has changed a lot since it first opened. Folkways Music 282 Oxford St Paddington NSW 2021 Compact Discs, Records & Tapes--Retail Ph: +61 02 9361 3980 One of the other Oz folkies should be able to help you. I'll see what else I can find out. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Bob Bolton Date: 05 Dec 99 - 07:37 AM G'day Burl, I'm afraid Warren has moved on a fair way since the Folkways Shop. He sold the shop some years back to a couple of his long-time customers, but it now seems much more "world music" than Australian ... good stuff, but it leaves us without any special outlets for our own music. The Larrikin record label was a focus for all sorts of folk music but that was absorbed into Festival Records about 6 years back. Warren stayed as CEO of that division for 5 years, but now is more in the background, as a consultant of sorts. The last couple of Larrikin releases sent to me for review had an accompanying release which included a name for a corporate flack to arrange interviews with Warren! I know he is busy on his current project putting together a 20 CD set of recordings from the Australian "Folk Revival" of the mid-1950s to late 1970s.
Anyway, the only email I have here at home is
Regards,
Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: RoyH (Burl) Date: 05 Dec 99 - 03:19 PM Thanks for the information friends. Why does it sadden me though to hear of the changes in Larrikin and the shop. Warren had such an interest in Bush music and the Australian revivalists, the news amazes me. Business I suppose. I met Warren, and bought a bunch of Australian albums when I sang over there in '81. Under my real name of course. I sang at te Festival of Sydney, the Hill End New Year session, Canberra, Adelade (Traitors Folk Club) Newcastle, other places. Never been back although i've often wanted too. Are Lee Bailie, Lester Grace (Stringybark and Greenhide)still active? |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Bob Bolton Date: 05 Dec 99 - 05:07 PM G'day again Burl, That other email for Warren is larrikin@festivalrecords.com.au. I had a 'phone number in my book, but he has moved offices (or elsewhere) and it doesn't work. Warren is still involved in the music, but I suspect he hopes that things he started will carry on while he does other things. Stringybark and Greenhide also buckled under the load many years back. I think it reached the (black) magic number of 2 dozen issues and ground the original editors into the rock. According to some research I read, years back, getting that 24th issue out seems to be the end of most small magazines. One factor is that the keen editors are usually of such an age that all those family responsibilities are looming as they edit and it is almost impossible to keep going for more than 5 or 6 years and even more difficult to hand over to anyone else. Singabout, the first magazine of Australian Folklore (1956 - 1966) also just made it to # 25 ... although it notionally survives as the 4-page folklore section I edit in Mulga Wire, the Bush Music Club's 2-monthly magazine (where I have been associated with about 133 of the 136 issues). The Newcastle scene was further diminished by the earthquake (28 December 1989?) that destroyed their venue at Tighes Hill Tech - scene of all those wonderful Newcastle Festivals (which were also a legacy of Warren's days as Student Amentities Officer at Newcastle Tech and the old Purple Parrot Folk Club. The festival moved up valley, firstly to Morpeth (a lovely tourist town ... full of rapacious shopkeepers and publicans) and then further up the valley. I think that the present state is best evoked by pointing out that all Festival correspondence should be addressed to "Bilbo"! Incidentally, I was theoretically in charge of that Hill End 1981 New Year Folk Festival - being Chairman of the NSW Folk Federation at that time. Most of the hard organising work was put in by Keith Snell, who passed away in Perth a year or two back. |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Helen Date: 06 Dec 99 - 01:54 AM Two questions: No. 1 So what *is* your real name, burl. We might remember you. No. 2 Bob, how come you know so much about the Newcastle festival? I might know you, too. I live in Newcastle. The last festival up the valley - at Wollombi (a lovely tiny town which is unfortunately on the back road to Sydney so it has yuppified considerably in the last few years) was held in September this year. It was handed over to the locals this year so I don't know if the Newcastle Folk Club is planning to start up a new one or just contribute to the Wollombi one from now on. No comment, and a *BG* about the Bilbo reference - too many facial expressions and not enough emoticons to express them. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Helen Date: 06 Dec 99 - 01:56 AM Oh, by the way, Lester Grace still lives in Newcastle but he doesn't seem to be playing much music. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Date: 06 Dec 99 - 08:03 AM G'day again, Helen: I haven't been around the Newcastle scene much in recent years. I attended quite few of the Newcastle Folk Festivals in the late '70s'/ early 80s and performed once or twice with Rouseabouts and the Bush Music Club Concert Party (Dave Johnson's Gold Rush Minstrel Show, for instance). I mostly played mouthorgans and assorted rattley things in those days.
I contributed a few photographs of the Sydney scene to Stringybark & Greenhide over the years. There is a selection of my photographs from early '70s to present day on the Folk Australia site These days I am more likely to been seen south of Sydney: Jamberoo, Canberra and Uranquinty Festival ... maybe Majors Creek one day ... maybe get down to Nariel Creek and revisit places I worked at in my Snowy Mountains Scheme days. I get less tolerant of heat and start to believe civilised life stops at the edge of the Hunter, however I should get up to Wollombi one day. A lot of old friends are up that way, including Brad Tate ... who is probably still recovering from teaching my little brother about 30 years ago! Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: RoyH (Burl) Date: 06 Dec 99 - 11:01 AM Thanks for the info me friends. At risk of turning this thread into a nostalgia exercise (apologies to other 'catters, but it won't last long)but great memories of my Australian trip have been awakened. Re-awakened I should say. At Hill End '81 I stayed at the Royal Hotel, other wekend featured artists were Declan Affley, Ken Greenhalgh, Jimmy McBride, Chris Kempster. In Canberra I shared a concert with Cathie O'Sullivan. It went out on 2XX. My Adelaide concert also went out on radio 2UVwith Nigel Russell producing. Adelaide singers Mike Smith & Craig Fisher, Jan & Tony O'Brien, were on, and an Italian group, Campagnia Folk. In Newcastle I was at the Civic Playhouse. At Sydney the concert was Eric Bogle, The Early Music Duo, and me. The next day was the great Joe Heaney. That's all I can remember. Who out there can remember way back then? It was a lovely experience but as yet never repeated. Can I come again please? And Bob. I'd really like to know more about the bush music club. Do I remember a Dave(or Den) De Hugard being a prominent bush singer? |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: RoyH (Burl) Date: 06 Dec 99 - 11:01 AM Thanks for the info me friends. At risk of turning this thread into a nostalgia exercise (apologies to other 'catters, but it won't last long)but great memories of my Australian trip have been awakened. Re-awakened I should say. At Hill End '81 I stayed at the Royal Hotel, other wekend featured artists were Declan Affley, Ken Greenhalgh, Jimmy McBride, Chris Kempster. In Canberra I shared a concert with Cathie O'Sullivan. It went out on 2XX. My Adelaide concert also went out on radio 2UVwith Nigel Russell producing. Adelaide singers Mike Smith & Craig Fisher, Jan & Tony O'Brien, were on, and an Italian group, Campagnia Folk. In Newcastle I was at the Civic Playhouse. At Sydney the concert was Eric Bogle, The Early Music Duo, and me. The next day was the great Joe Heaney. That's all I can remember. Who out there can remember way back then? It was a lovely experience but as yet never repeated. Can I come again please? And Bob. I'd really like to know more about the bush music club. Do I remember a Dave(or Den) De Hugard being a prominent bush singer? |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Sandy Paton Date: 06 Dec 99 - 03:26 PM 'Bout time you 'fessed up to your identity, Burl. With all those hints, some folk-historian from down under is going to figure it out anyway. So.... (you tell 'em!) Sandy |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: RoyH (Burl) Date: 06 Dec 99 - 03:54 PM I guess you're right Sandy. But a pen name is kinda fun.And who knows if anybody in Oz is interested anyway? We'll see. |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: lamarca Date: 06 Dec 99 - 04:04 PM If you're the man I think you are (and I'm not even from Down Under, Sandy - just noticing the increase and subjects of "Burl's" postings lately), maybe you could answer a question... Are you related to Rolf Harris, Burl? I've never heard you sing "Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport", but you never know! We have several of Dave de Hugard's old LP recordings on Larrikin Records, which were difficult to get a hold of in the States. I can make you a tape of "Freedom on the Wallaby" and "Magpie in the Wattle" - I don't know if either of these have been made available on CD. He's wonderful! Welcome to the Mudcat, whoever you really are...
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Helen Date: 06 Dec 99 - 04:22 PM burl, Funnily enough, a few minutes ago when I logged into Mudcat the first name I thought of when I saw the thread named Songs that others have made their own (or words to that effect) was Declan Affley - Carrickfergus became known as uniquely Declan's song, to the point that other people who knew him wouldn't sing it, especially after he passed on to the big music session in the sky. Sorry, did you know he died? I can't tell you exactly when - I'm not good at remembering which year something happened, but it was within the last few years, maybe even 10 years. And yes, we do want to know your name, but if you don't want to reveal it to the cyber-world you could send a personal message to Bob Bolton or me through the Mudcat message page. You can come back & visit us/sing with us any time you like. There are festivals happening at different times throughout the year. Yes, Bob, I definitely remember your face. I haven't gone to many festivals these last few years. The last one I went to was St Albans (near the Hawkesbury River/Wiseman's Ferry) last year, and I went to Jamberoo a few years back. I haven't even been to Wollombi festival much - this year my hubby & I thought we planned our wedding not to coincide with Wollombi but they changed the date on us. Oh well. Helen PS It's nice to personally know the names & faces that people are referring to for a change - mostly we get references to the U.S. folk people, which is interesting but not as interesting as events, things, people I know or know about.
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Bob Bolton Date: 06 Dec 99 - 05:38 PM G'day Helen: I got back to St Albans this year, mainly because one of the orgnisers, John Grenenger has me down as one those who started it ... he may even be right! I haven't got there in recent decades because the Bush Music Club's Heritage Ball seems to coincide. It didn't this year, because we held both colonial balls up in Maitland and dates didn't clash ... but the wedding of Kathy, my flute/whistle/recorder player in Backblocks Musicians, did! Slap up do at Christ Church St Lawrence (verrry High Church Anglican), bridal couple in 18th c. French court dress, black suit and tie for all us punters, roccoco reception at the Ritz Carlton! It is a wonder that I still managed to stagger out to St Albans for Sunday! "Burl": I'll have to go through the negative/print files for Hill End '81. I could have you in one of the concerts. I think that was the year we used the oval a fair bit after threatening the publican with a separate events grog licence. (He was jacking up the price of a beer by 5 cents, every day for a week before the previous year's festival.) Declan Affley died of a heart attack, pretty near 15 years ago, aged 45. He went to a public hospital, worse for quite a few beers, and the hospital triage reckoned that was all that was wrong with him and sent him home ... where he died! Ken Greenhalgh's flute was a mainstay of the '70s/'80s Bush Music Club Concert Party and Chris Kempster is the virtual Godfather of the Aussie folk revival. This grew out of the 1953 production of the folk musical play Reedy River .. and Chris wrote the setting of Henry Lawson's poem "Reedy River" ... and was the male lead in the Sydney production. This play augmented the original Bushwhackers band (not the 20 years later "Bushwackers" - a rock/folk fusion band from Melbourne) and led to them founding the Bush Music Club in 1954. I've only been involved since ~1962. I remember Jimmy McBride as a lovely Irish fiddler ... haven't seen him for many years. Dave de Hugard is still going strong. I have to check the record files at home - starting with his 1969 LP - to his CD (Magpie Morning?) I think that is the one where he plays one of my 20 key Anglo concertinas ... set up in D/G, as well as Bb/F. Dave is pretty peripatetic,but I think he is currently based in the Southern Highlands, around Robertson.
The Bush Music Club has a site at Regard(les), Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: RoyH (Burl) Date: 07 Dec 99 - 09:21 AM Very sad to hear about Declan Affley. Is Cathie O'Sullivan still singing? |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: RoyH (Burl) Date: 07 Dec 99 - 10:22 AM Greetings Larmaca.See youjr personal page. Likewise Bob and Helen. Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Bob Bolton Date: 07 Dec 99 - 10:04 PM G'day again Burl, I forgot to mention Cathie O'Sullivan in my last posting. I had not seen her for some years (like, since 1982!... when I met her at New Jindabyne, in the Snowy Mountains. However, she appeared on the bill at this year's Australian National Folk Festival, in a concert along with Warren Fahey and few other old Larrikins. I think the usual family pressures have kept her off the scene for a decade or two but she is getting back to singing. Her renditions of the songs of Sally Sloane, a wonderful old lady who taught us all a lot of songs and tunes, were magnificent! Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Bob Bolton Date: 07 Dec 99 - 10:44 PM Yeah ... er, g'day again, Lamarca,
I looked at the record racks and only found three albums by Dave de Hugard: The Sandstock CD (and cassette) is still listed, at Aus$25 (and Aus$15), and available from Jill Gartrell's email < sandstock@hunterlink.net.au >. Don't knock out pirate tapes ... buy this one and encourage them to get another CD out! Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: lamarca Date: 08 Dec 99 - 01:54 PM Bob, I have all of Dave's recordings, including the new CD. My personal policy of passing tapes around is to only tape LP's that are now out-of-print, and unlikely to be re-issued anytime soon, and steer people to the newer stuff that IS available on CD. I think it's one way of keeping up interest in people who haven't made a recording in awhile, exposing more folks to their music, and giving them a larger market when they do make a new recording. I view tapes as an impermanent medium, and would far rather have an LP or CD. Tapes get old and break, but a well-kept vinyl LP will last for years. I am sad that so much of our folk collection is now on CD, as I think those will deteriorate over time far worse than the LP format. It's alays been hard to get Australian recordings here in the USA; there are a few dealers like http://www.rockinworld.com that now carry things like de Hugard's new CD. Don't know what the situation is in the UK, where Burl lives, or who might be a good local distributor over there. Thanks for all your info about the assorted Larrikins we've been listening to on record over the years - someday, if I win the lottery, I'd like to visit Oz for real! Mary |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Bob Bolton Date: 09 Dec 99 - 01:33 AM G'day Lamarca, Glad to hear that you are perfectly ethical about copies. Our copyright act permits copying any work that is not commercially available and I image that yours does too. I just wanted to get the point in while I had the chance ... and maybe nudge a few people towards another CD. In re the permanence of CDs vs LPs, that's a question that won't have a good answer for another 40 years. I certainly have CDs that have survived longer now than some of my LPs - but I don't lend records to my little brother anymore! The real question is whether the clear plastic above the metal-plated, pressed surface will remain clear and readable by the laser ... or go milky, or craze, with age. The boffins at the National Library of Australia Sound Preservation Section are now so confident about the CD format that they are regarding even CD-Rs as an archival format. I don't know that I have been convinced about that ... yet. Anyway, having just needed to remaster material I had in archive on 1985 10" reels of ¼" tape, I was aghast to find that I had to have very dodgy restoration processes before I could get them safely transferred to CDs, from which to format the new CD release set. The polyurethane tape coating had badly hydrolised and had to be baked for several days in a temerature controlled oven before they could be safely played. Now the music is on two CDs that will be stored in light-tight conditions and not used unless needed. This will certainly outlast all of us. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Shimbo Darktree Date: 10 Dec 99 - 11:09 AM I was at a concert for "The Folk Rag" earlier this year in Brisbane, and had my first taste of Dave de Hugard. Very good musician. I suspect he may now be resident in Brisbane, but I am not certain. You can view "The Folk Rag" at www.powerup.com.au/~dnichols/folkbris.htm |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Drewsmilitia Date: 11 Dec 99 - 07:02 AM Bob, Helen, or even "Burl", Any chance of elightening myself and my wife on the actual identity of the mysterious "Burl". We have been following this thread with baited breath and it all seems somewhat anti-climactic. The identity of Jack the Ripper has nothing on this one. |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Bob Bolton Date: 11 Dec 99 - 07:38 AM G'day 'Drewsmilitia, Let's just say that Lamarca was pretty well on 'la marca' about 11 postings above. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Drewsmilitia Date: 13 Dec 99 - 03:07 PM |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Drewsmilitia Date: 13 Dec 99 - 03:09 PM Thanks Bob, Thats a weight off our minds,we can now get back to the routine of everyday life. |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Callie Date: 14 Dec 99 - 02:22 AM How nice to have an Aussie thread. In case any of you don't know how good it is, can I absolutely positively recommend Nariel Creek Festival between Christmas & New Year? No organised performances, completely diy. Callie |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Drewsmilitia Date: 14 Dec 99 - 03:59 PM Thanks for the info Callie.Can you help me out with the location of Nariel Creek. Being a Scot who's only lived here for a few years I'm afraid my knowledge of the island continents smaller towns is somewhat limited. |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Bob Bolton Date: 15 Dec 99 - 03:39 AM G'day Drewsmilitia, Callie doesn't seem to have gotten back, so I will rough out a mudmap and keep the thread active. Nariel Creek is near Corryong, the last little town in Victoria (bottom right hand corner of mainland Australia) before you cross the Murray River into New South Wales and start driving up the Alpine Way into the Snowy Mts. If you are coming from Melbourne you drive north on the Humne Hwy pretty well to the border and turn east along the Upper Murray Valley Highway (and the simplest way from Sydney or Canberra is down the Hume, over the border and along the same way). The country is the sort of isolated valley amidst high peaks that kept out radio and television until high gain antennas and satellite dishes, so the old-fashioned idea of entertaining youself, or drawing on local resources, stayed alivce for a few more decades than elsewhere. I worked just over Bringenbrong crossing (into NSW) at Khancoban on one of the Snowy Mts dams, Murray 2 and went down to Corryong for the Saturday night dance ... a 50:50 dance where "Old Time" was the modern half ... and the band was the friends and family of old Con Klippel from Nariel Creek. There was a senior band and a junior band - many of whom are now noted players in folk circles. Con and Beat Klippel were the hosts of the festival and it was one of the most relaxed ever. It must also be one of the most enduring in Australia, now more the province of the Simpsons, since Con's death in the 70s. The band is currently looking for a new leader after the recent death of Neville Simpson, but the place is awash with musical talen and the Festival is not about being organised. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Australian address required please From: Callie Date: 19 Dec 99 - 08:59 PM Thanks for providing that, Bob - I haven't had Mudcat access for some days. Drews: I can't recommend Nariel highly enough. Just make sure you take everything you need though, coz it IS very basic and pretty isolated. Callie |
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