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Tech: Interesting stuff (issues) about Windows 10
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Subject: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Bill D Date: 09 Feb 16 - 10:17 AM http://www.ghacks.net/2016/02/08/windows-10-phones-home-even-after-privacy-hardening/ |
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Subject: RE: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST Date: 09 Feb 16 - 10:58 AM There is no privacy on the internet.....period. If you need total privacy stay off of it......simple. |
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Subject: RE: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: EBarnacle Date: 09 Feb 16 - 12:06 PM There is a follow on link to the article that 10 is also removing purchased privacy software. Guest, are you my niece? She keeps telling me the same thing. |
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Subject: RE: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 09 Feb 16 - 01:16 PM Bill, if you're so anti-MS, why not move to Apple? |
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Subject: RE: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Greg F. Date: 09 Feb 16 - 01:24 PM I don't think Bill is necessarily anti MS - just anti sneaky bullshit that Bill Gates & Co seem to feel its necessary inflict upon people unnecessarily. |
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Subject: RE: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 09 Feb 16 - 01:25 PM And Apple don't? Ya sure about that? |
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Subject: RE: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Bill D Date: 09 Feb 16 - 02:26 PM Why not move? easy....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.... plus a hundred legacy PC programs that are not duplicated on a Mac... )plus my advanced age) The place I got that link has turned mostly to Linux. Why post? Greg nailed it. |
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Subject: RE: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Rapparee Date: 09 Feb 16 - 02:34 PM Bill Gates hasn't worked there for a while -- he retired about five years or more back. You could have as well if you'd had his money. |
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Subject: RE: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 09 Feb 16 - 04:52 PM I don't believe the stuff you're eating your heart out about is restricted to MS, Bill. It's rife throughout the industry, I suspect, so I don't see any point in getting panties in a bunch about it - it's going to happen, one way or another, sooner or later, no matter what OS or software you use. But, it's each to his own, as they say... 👍😎 |
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Subject: RE: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Feb 16 - 06:25 PM The best way to avoid getting your "panties in a bunch", Backwoodsman is either to go "commando"....or just wear rugged MALE underwear like you are supposed to, you silly man! |
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Subject: RE: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Bill D Date: 09 Feb 16 - 06:34 PM Truth is, I'm not "eating my heart out "....just noting what fairly knowledgeable experts have discovered. It may make a big difference to those who are undecided about upgrading. I am holding on to Win 7 Pro until they pry it out of my poor, dead fingers.... ;>) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Feb 16 - 09:56 PM I installed it on a friend's laptop last weekend and diligently turned off all of those "report to the mother-ship" switches. It sounds like they're only window dressing. And even though we chose to save her original settings, I had to hide the "Cortana" feature and reset her default browser to Chrome. MS had set it to Edge. I have mixed feelings about holding onto Win7 - it is solid and supported right now, but they're pulling the rug out from under the older operating systems pretty quickly. Only IE 11 is supported now, also. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: My guru always said Date: 09 Feb 16 - 11:05 PM ROTFLMAO Little Hawk!! Wondering about Win10 myself so very interested to see your opinions & thoughts, thanks! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 10 Feb 16 - 02:27 AM Well, of course I DO wear rugged male underwear, LH - it was Bill's panties I was worried about! But he says they're OK, so I'm gonna stop worrying on his behalf. Commando really does NOT appeal - most unhygienic, and hygiene is likely to become a problem as one advances into one's dotage. 😜😎 BillD - I get where you're coming from. I didn't have an awful lot of choice, my old XP machine was giving up the ghost, and my new one came with 8.1 pre-installed. Didn't particularly like 8.1 which felt clunky so, once the initial Win 10 hoo-ha was over, I decided to go with it. I use my PC for music, recording, photos, email and shooting my mouth off on a few forums, no 'business' use. I use good internet security and my bank provides additional security software to help prevent keyloggers and other spyware and malware, so I'm comfortable that I'm as safe as I can make myself. But, of course, one must do whatever feels comfortable. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST, ^*^ Date: 10 Feb 16 - 09:29 AM Windows 10 updates still largely opaque - from ZDNet this morning. As promised, Microsoft has begun providing release notes on the updates to Windows 10. Terry Myerson, Microsoft Executive Vice President of Windows and Devices, said "starting next month, Microsoft will take a first stab" at providing this documentation. The company's "first stab" at providing information on updates to the user didn't cut very deep. I was never all that clear on what users were looking for, but I don't feel any better informed by the Windows 10 update history page provided by Microsoft. It consists of a bullet list with a sentence, perhaps even just a sentence fragment, on the purpose of the update. Some examples: You can go a step further and examine the KB articles on the Windows 10 cumulative updates, links to which are provided on the update history page: KB3135173 and KB3135174. Follow the link to read the rest. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 11 Feb 16 - 09:25 AM I've already moaned enough about my problems updating a brand new unused virgin Lenovo win 8.1 PC to Win 10, and the subsequent problems reverting back to win 8.1... Anyway, still waiting for news of the Win 10 update for my Nokia Lumia 920 phone ??? .. so do I risk buggering up that as well.....???????? 😕 |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Acorn4 Date: 11 Feb 16 - 10:12 AM Window 10 apparently doesn't support Live Mail, so I would be having to re-do all my mailing lists, contacts on Outlook - not a quick job so am holding out until I've got a week to spare. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 11 Feb 16 - 11:15 AM No, you just carry on using Windows Live Mail -it works fine in Win 10. It's not that Win 10 doesn't support it, it's that MS aren't supporting it any longer, so there won't be any more software updates for it. The Windows 10 mail app will use your existing contacts and will import your 'old' mails. What it won't do is allow you to create folders in-app, or sort mails by sender/date etc. I've been on Win 10 since September, I'm still using Live Mail, no problems. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 11 Feb 16 - 11:57 AM Just for the sake of clarity, Windows Live Mail and the Win 10 mail app are not the same thing. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Feb 16 - 07:02 PM Has anyone tried loading Windows Movie Maker into Win10? Does it work, or does it come with something like that in place? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST Date: 11 Feb 16 - 07:38 PM Dear Mr. Bill D. When you go posting links....like THIS one...please post at least a one sentence summary. Sincerely, Many of your postings appear to be "knee flex" spontanious reactions...by stopping and summarizing you will get more readers....and not appear such an Id Jet. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Bill D Date: 11 Feb 16 - 08:08 PM well... hello Garg.. I felt the link, as posted, included about all the summary needed. It was intended for those who still have worries, interests or fascinations with M$'s latest shenanigans. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Feb 16 - 04:10 AM Well, I dunno. I think I have about ten computers running Windows 10, and they're doing well. I have some staff members who are reluctant to change, but I think I'm going to force them to. Seems to me it should be easier to have all of our computers running Windows 10. I'm really not too concerned about Microsoft's data collection, since most of it seems to be anonymous. I guess I just can't buy into paranoia. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,P Date: 12 Feb 16 - 05:09 AM I'm really not too concerned about Microsoft's data collection, since most of it seems to be anonymous Targeted advertising is reason enough to turn every last of bit of it off, as far as I am concerned. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Feb 16 - 07:22 AM Its not compulsory to read adverts. Ignore them. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stanron Date: 12 Feb 16 - 07:52 AM Backwoodsman wrote: Its not compulsory to read adverts. Ignore them. Reading or not reading ads is not the problem. For me the problem is the time they take to appear and the computer resources they consume. We don't all have super fast computers and state of the art. internet connections. Ads are the BIG slowdown! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Feb 16 - 08:28 AM True enough. I switched off all the tracking stuff that I could when I installed Win 10, and I have ad blocking on Firefox. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST Date: 12 Feb 16 - 10:33 AM Didn't want W10 & had been warned off W8 but hard to find W7 in usual outlets, so got stuck with it. Hated all those 'tiles' and was delighted to find a website which keeps W10 but makes it LOOK like W7, so now I know where things are without wasting hours to no good purpose! just google -change W10 screen to look like W7 |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Bill D Date: 12 Feb 16 - 11:26 AM To answer Joe's remarks: When I got Win7, I learned that I needed Win 7 Pro in order to run the many older freeware programs that I have collected for 5- 10 years. As Win8 was introduced, I heard more & more stories about it refusing to deal with older programs... and Windows 10, whatever its strengths, is also an attempt to herd all the sheep into the same pen, following the same update procedures and doing whatever they wish with data collection & tracking. Their assurance that it will be a big, fancy, cozy pen with hot & cold running 'features' does not answer MY concerns. I have a fairly narrow view of how I want MY browsers to look, behave and update, and I have strong preferences about where MY data is stored and what programs I use to access it and manipulate it. I want nothing to do with the "cloud"...(there is no 'cloud'... that is a euphemism for "our big computer(s), not your little computer") Now, I ain't so young anymore, and I may be able to avoid this Win10 stuff until 'the end'.. but if not, any changes I make will be to Linux, as tedious as THAT will be to sort thru. For those who 'go with the flow' and routinely take whatever updates M$ offers, I hope it all works out for you. I will be watching from a hill overlooking your comfy pen and tending my little garden of software as best I can. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST Date: 12 Feb 16 - 12:42 PM BillD - I have a very similar view, but I started earlier. I didn't like Vista's licensing terms, so I stuck with XP. The terms for later versions were even worse and in 2009 I decided to take a serious look at Linux. I found a distribution I liked (MEPIS) and started migration using a dual-boot system. MEPIS is now dormant but it's successor, MX-15, is a great operating system. I'm also past my allotted span, but with the help of a very active community forum I was comfortable in Linux in a couple of months. I now have XP running on a virtual machine for a couple of programs I need. I've recently had dealings with Win8.1 and Win10 and I'm very glad I don't have to deal with them on a regular basis. One of the most frustrating aspects is updates - a simple update of a couple of programs on Win8.1 took nearly 15 minutes, plus a reboot. The same thing on Linux takes less than a minute and I haven't rebooted in weeks. Phil |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Feb 16 - 02:02 PM GUEST - you leave your computer permanently switched on? BillD - we've had this conversation before, I think. I'm not paranoid and I'm not a computer-geek, I don't use lots of exotic software, I don't want to defeat my OS or try to make my computer do weird, mind-blowing stuff - I'm just an old guy who does some word-processing, a few spreadsheets, recording my own music, photo-editing and cataloguing, email and surfing the 'net. I don't pay a lot of attention to the scare-mongerers. All I want from my PC is that it will do those things. It does them fine with Win 10. It's a case of 'one man's meat', of course, and we each must do that which suits us. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Bill D Date: 12 Feb 16 - 04:13 PM Indeed we must... and 15+ years ago, the internet/WWW and browsers were generally designing things to make it I am daily grateful for Google and wide access to music ...etc. I just wish there were not so many strings being pulled in the background. Cutting strings has become a sort of hobby. ☺ |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Feb 16 - 04:18 PM 👍😄 |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Feb 16 - 11:06 AM I use the old Windows Media Player all of the time. It was in several Windows versions, and offered as a separate $10 download from Microsoft for Win 8/8.1. Not available for Win10. It was a great idea that has gradually lost support and now mainly works as a DVD recorder (I have a TV receiver card in my computer). I searched methods to cobble together software to do the same thing (manage recorded media on this computer and share it around the house on the computer network) and the "free" versions are not a pure play. You have to cobble together stuff and the YouTube videos discussing how to do it are long and rather opaque. I found a program from JRiver that I purchased for under $50 and donated $5 to the site that provides the channel programming information and I can load it into all of the computer and devices in the house. This software would survive the upgrade, if I get around to it. The other software I use that isn't in Win 10 is Movie Maker. I looked at the Microsoft site and people state that they downloaded and can still use it (as part of the "Windows Live Essentials" package you can download and install). |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Bill D Date: 13 Feb 16 - 02:39 PM After I have video downloaded from my camera OR from the WWW/Internet, I use VLC player (sort of the industry standard)OR PotPlayer (the easiest interface) OR Light Alloy (a contender, but I'm not sure of all its settings yet) Now, when I see an interesting video on a web site, I go to my PaleMoon browser..(Firefox will work, but I like the independent attitude of PaleMoon).... and with the add-on Flashgot installed, and get the video with a couple of clicks. (I used to do a complex thing of finding & following the target in my browser cache... but that was TEDIOUS) I assume these will still work on Win10. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Feb 16 - 04:46 PM I use VLC for a number of things also. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: open mike Date: 13 Feb 16 - 10:15 PM W 10 has a default program called Groove Music which tries to take over my music files. I have used Windows Media Player and have grown used to the format, and have lots of files saved in the library. I was instructed how to change the default settings (under the settings function) and now groove music is gone....so far. and I recently joined the ranks of the modern and got an MP3 player... and was able to sync it using WMP....so now I can plug it into my new vehicle sound system (it has both USB and 1/8 inch audio plug ins) and listen as i drive along.... now, that's more like it! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Newport Boy Date: 14 Feb 16 - 04:45 AM Backwoodsman - GUEST at 12 Feb 12:42 PM was me - my cookie went walkabout. GUEST - you leave your computer permanently switched on? Yes, basically. I use 'Suspend' overnight and if I'm out all day (same as shutting a laptop lid) but I only 'Shutdown' if I'm away for a week. Phil |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Feb 16 - 09:28 AM My neighbor doesn't like the way the new desktop looks so I'm going to reset everything to "classic" today and see if that works better for her. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Weasel Date: 14 Feb 16 - 09:49 AM "GUEST - you leave your computer permanently switched on?" Having once seen an unattended computer burst into flames (it wasn't even switched on!) no, I never leave it on overnight, in fact I don't even leave it plugged in. Cheers, Weasel |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Feb 16 - 02:09 PM The instructions for setting back to Classic were old Windows instructions and didn't work with the Asus laptop my neighbor is using. But I did finally figure out the problem - the computer had converted to "metro tiles" and windows would only open full sized and not adjust downward. I poked and looked around and finally figured out that the computer had reset itself to "Tablet Mode." She was playing Solitaire and the computer popped up a window offering to reset to tablet mode because it was "easier for games." She was stuck there until we figured this out. So far Windows 10 looks like a pain in the butt. But I did find and point out that there is indeed a software program that will give the Windows 7 appearance. It seems just a little creepy that you have to go outside of Windows to get the classic Windows appearance. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,DaveRo Date: 14 Feb 16 - 02:34 PM I converted my wife's laptop from Win7 to Win10. I deleted the menu tiles for programs she didn't use (most of them) and added ones for the programs she did use (eg LibreOffice). Having done that I reckon it looks and works much like Win7. The main difference is the menu - which is different but no worse IMO. I find that the search box is the easiest way to find settings. I also put 'hibernate' back into the power menu. The Win7 backup is still available, but I'm using the new File History backup facility. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,Ebor Fiddler Date: 14 Feb 16 - 07:32 PM I'm trying to sort out a friend's computer, which is new and has Windows 10 fitted. We're trying to use "Mail", as supplied, which needs the "People" app to provide its Contacts List. Can anyone tell me how to enter contact details onto "People" please? Thanks in advance, Chris B. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST Date: 15 Feb 16 - 02:32 AM Quote: "Having once seen an unattended computer burst into flames (it wasn't even switched on!)" That's what happens when you put a paper cup in that neat little pop out cup-holder thingy on the front of a PC and then use it as an ashtray.... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,DaveRo Date: 15 Feb 16 - 02:57 AM GUEST,Ebor Fiddler wrote: Can anyone tell me how to enter contact details onto "People" please?According to this, you just press the + icon and type them in: How_to_Add_contacts_to_the_People_App_in_Windows_10 But most people transfer contacts from their old computer. Does he/she not have one? And if so does it still work, what mail program was it, and were there many contacts? The modern fashion for holding contacts separately from your email program comes from smartphones. The designer's assumption now is that you will simply share the same contacts - in your Apple/Google/Microsoft account. But you don't have to; my wife continues to use Thunderbird for email. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Bill D Date: 16 Feb 16 - 10:44 AM FYI--Another update to be concerned about. YMMV http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2447177/updategate-windows-10-is-resetting-default-apps-back-to-microsoft-stock "WINDOWS 10 has a new trick up its sleeve. This time, it's 'restoring' app defaults to the bundled Universal Apps in the operating system. A reader told us that, despite being a long time user of Irfanview as his primary photo app, he was greeted with a message saying: 'A default app has been reset,' only to discover that his new photo app was Photos, the bundled offering. He traced the problem back to KB3135173, a cumulative update issued for February which was pushed out as an update last week. After deleting the update, he discovered the next day that Windows had reinstalled it, and reset the defaults again." |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Feb 16 - 01:49 PM Error me...reser the default? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Feb 16 - 01:52 PM Error me? WTF?. I typed 'Errrmmm'! Bloody predictive text! Posting on an Apple iPad. And BillD thinks MS are a problem? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Feb 16 - 01:55 PM And 'reser'? I typed 'reset'! Apple shit! 😡 |
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Subject: RE: Tech: More interesting stuff about Windows 10 From: GUEST,Ebor Fiddler Date: 16 Feb 16 - 03:59 PM Thanks DaveRo. Sadly, the reason my friend has a new computer is that his hard disk packed up on his old one and nothing could be recovered. I think I'm going to give up on Mail and download Windows Live Mail, which he used before and can manage it. ***** Windows 10! (though it does have a number of very good points. :-) |
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