BS: Brussels: Why?

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 02:54 PM

It would be grand if we could discuss "why Brussels" without people getting on their personal hobby horses and hijacking threads.
Terrorism is a global problem and some of us are truly interested in discussing why that happens. Most are not engaging in bigotry or prejudice , we are simply seeking understanding.
   There are some who cannot seem to get past what they perceive to be the short comings of the rest of us. But we are all intelligent adults, we don't need to be talked down to, preached at or otherwise patronised by the self righteous musing of the few. So let us just get on with our discussion and ignore the one trick ponies. Just my take on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 03:26 PM

"without people getting on their personal hobby horses and hijacking threads".
How is that not being discussed here?
How immigrants are treated has everything to do with the disillusionment that drives them to support groups like Isis - whichis what this discussion is about - not a "hobby-horse".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 04:16 PM

Give it a rest you fucking arsehole, the community is sick of your shit. Oh, and get over yourself if you can climb that high.

And this wasn't disappeared because....?

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 04:25 PM

Terrorism is a global problem and some of us are truly interested in discussing why that happens.

Why??? Oh yes?

* Guantanamo.

* The bogus invasion of Iraq.

* Drone strikes wiping out countless civilians.

* The mess the U.S. made out of Afghanistan

* The carnage in the Occupied Territories.

* Rampant Islamaphobia.

* Zionism backed up by unquestioning U. S. support.

* Trump and the other Republicraps' constant Muslim-bashing.

* Persons that excuse all of the above.

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 04:34 PM

jim, this is not a discussion about the British empire, it is a discussion about why terrorism happens inthe 21st century. this is not exclusively about how dis illusionism leads to terrorism., it is about why Brussels, that is not the fault of British imperialism.
If we are ever to understand this, we need to step into the present and ask some serious questions. Ido not believe that modern terrorism is always to be blamed on ancient grievances.
   This hasn't,t disappeared because .....well, you figure it out , not too hard,

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: olddude
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 04:37 PM

This

Stuff like this doesn't help

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 04:55 PM

"jim, this is not a discussion about the British empire, "
No it isn't but it is about how Immigrants are treated and why.
Ake says the problem is Muslims don't interegrate - I responded - take it up with him.
Wth respect, this is not your thread - or anybody's so we all respond how we se fit.
Plesase don't interfere with other people's contributions, it's difficult enough keeping these threads open as it is.
By the way - you are not a member of this forum, please have the courtesy to remember that fact and not interfere with those of us who are.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: GUEST,HiLi
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 05:17 PM

Under the rules of this forum Jim, I have as much right to post here as you do! this thread is not personal property, though you may regardi it as such. I have been posting mere for many years and as am entitled as you are to express an opinion.   " not interfere, Does that mean not disagreeing with you. how pompous of you to assume twho has a legitimate right to Post here!

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 06:41 PM

In any case, back to why Brussels? I think most of us give this a lot of thought. Why it happens is open to a lot of specualation but we are still trying to understand it. there are , I suppose, no simple answers. How do we comprehend this kind of behaviour, how do we confront it and how do we make whatever solutions there may be inclusive of all of those involved. I do wish we could all come together to solve this. It has been suggested that discussing grievences may help, but the terrorists are so diverse that I am not sure what the actual grievences are. anyway, that is my quandary.

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 06:51 PM

there are , I suppose, no simple answers.

Perhaps not, HioHo, but there are some patently obvious "answers" which you choose to ignore.

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 06:56 PM

And they are ?

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 07:02 PM

In a nutshell they are motivated by a theological and cultural hatred of the Judeo-Christian world and all that it represents and wish to impose their brand of Islam, as defined by Hassan al-Banna and Sayyid Qutb, on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 07:17 PM

Jim, when I say Muslims don't integrate, I'm not assuming that they are entirely in the wrong, there are myriad things very wrong with modern western society....perhaps that is why multiculturalism was thought up.....to keep different sectors apart and defuse any frictions, in the short term.

Unfortunately the numbers of Muslims arriving here has increased dramatically and the strain on our infrastructure has added to the problem.
There is no easy answer, repatriation appears out of the question, but are we prepared to countenance Sharia Law in a "liberal democracy"?.....Will our new found love for human rights allow us to accept Muslim values?

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 08:13 PM

'Unfortunately the numbers of Muslims arriving here has increased dramatically and the strain on our infrastructure has added to the problem."

The word "unfortunately" and the term "added to the problem" marks you out as a racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 08:14 PM

"Under the rules of this forum Jim, I have as much right to post here as you do! this thread "
Of course you do, so has everybody else - you are not entitled to tell other posters whet they can and cannot post.
" Muslims don't integrate,"

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 08:25 PM

"The word "unfortunately" and the term "added to the problem" marks you out as a racist. "   :0) surely not! are you sure that you're a scientist?

Subject: RE: BS: Brussels: Why?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 08:39 PM

Whoops - try again
"Under the rules of this forum Jim, I have as much right to post here as you do! this thread "
Of course you do, as does everybody else - you are not entitled to tell other posters whet they can and cannot post and what is and what is not relevant.
" Muslims don't integrate,"
Yes they do - far more than all the examples you have just been given and choose to ignore.
Muslims are reckoned - by government statements, to be the most ready of all immigrants to become British citizens, to take up useful employment and to make a success of it
Muslim children are among the most dedicated and successful groups in the education system - official.
Their tendency to live among their own people is no different than any other national or cultural group living abroad - including Brits.
In the case of Muslims, many do as an act of self protection against hostility - that is not ghettoisation, that is a natural tendency.
I have lived in three of the major cities in Britain; in each case I had Muslims as neighbours - I worked both with them as workers and for them I was employed by them - I never at any time found them unfriendly or secrative - on the contrary, they were among the most interested and interesting people I have ever met.
If you have any evidence or personal information that my observation ,or that the findings of official surveys are incorrect, please present it - just repeating something that is simply not true doesn't make it any less so - where is your evidence?.
One more try
MUSLIM INTEGRATION
Jim Carroll