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Tune Req: Borrowed melody for Hymn 8 May16 |
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Subject: Tune Req: Borrowed melody for Hymn 8May16 From: JHW Date: 08 May 16 - 04:59 AM On BBC Radio 4 Sunday Worship I just heard the melody of 'The Unquiet Grave' used for a hymn. (Why indeed should the Devil have all the best tunes?) I'm beat to recognise a further melody used later, not unlike the 'Unquiet Grave'. Perhaps I will remember by the time someone comes back with it! Sunday Worship AM 8May16 Melody I can't pin down is at 27minutes30 soloist Alexandra Fraser. (Unquiet Grave melody is at 17minutes03) |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Borrowed melody for Hymn 8May16 From: Snuffy Date: 08 May 16 - 05:31 AM The second tune is commonly used with the Irish "Foggy Dew" - see the recent Songs of the 1916 Easter Rising thread. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Borrowed melody for Hymn 8May16 From: MGM·Lion Date: 08 May 16 - 05:52 AM Agreed. The one you attribute to "Unquiet Grave" is surely the widely used air also used for 'Star Of The County Down', 'Dives & Lazarus', &c? ≈M≈ |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Borrowed melody for Hymn 8May16 From: The Doctor Date: 08 May 16 - 06:15 AM The first tune is the one Vaughan Williams used in his Variations on Dives and Lazarus, and as such is in the Oxford Book of Carols, no.57, though that says it more properly belongs to no.60, Job. VW adapted it when he edited the English Hymnal, called in Kingsfold and set it to 'I heard the voice of Jesus say'. Nic Jones, among others, sang D & L, and recorded it. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Borrowed melody for Hymn 8May16 From: JHW Date: 11 May 16 - 05:00 AM Thanks to all and the link. Out walking later I realised 'Foggy Dew' when I wasn't thinking about it, then wondered whether the melody might even predate 'Foggy Dew'. Now I'll have to think where I got my 'Unquiet Grave' from decades ago. They did indeed announce and sing 'I heard the voice of Jesus say' in the programme when I re-listened. Also I listened to Nic Jones Dives and Lazarus. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Borrowed melody for Hymn 8May16 From: Tattie Bogle Date: 12 May 16 - 04:40 AM According to another website and a thread on here, the oldest song which uses that tune (County Down/Dives and Lazarus) is Gilderoy, which goes back to Allan Ramsay in the early 1700s. I know of at least 5 songs to that same tune, most if which are listed on a Wikipedia page about Dives and Lazarus, and include Unquiet Grave. Not on that list is Van Diemen's Land (Gallant Poachers). The first version of Unquiet Grave that I heard was Joan Baez's recording, but it uses a totally different tune. |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Borrowed melody for Hymn 8May16 From: JHW Date: 13 May 16 - 03:40 PM Ah yes, I do a Gallant Poachers, faster paced, without realising it is much the same melody |
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Borrowed melody for Hymn 8 May16 From: Joe Offer Date: 13 May 16 - 04:18 PM Hymnary.org has excellent information about the history of hymns and their melodies. It says the lyrics for "I Heard the Voice of Jesus Say" were written by Horatius Bonar in 1846. The melody most often used for the song is called KINGSFOLD. Here's what hymnary.org says about the melody:
Shaped in classic rounded bar form (AABA), KINGSFOLD has modal character and is both dignified and strong. It is well suited to either unison or harmony singing. Use bright organ tone. Try playing on two manuals and pedal on the middle stanzas. --Psalter Hymnal Handbook There's background information about Bonar and his hymn here: |
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