BS: frost interview with mosley

Subject: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 May 16 - 05:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd7LcaXZzUs

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 May 16 - 05:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd7LcaXZzUs

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 May 16 - 05:33 PM

So what's your point, Dick?

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 May 16 - 06:32 PM

Perhaps his point is that Mosley is pretty munch Trump with a British accent.

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 May 16 - 06:34 PM

do i have to have a point?
I thought people might be interested to see Frost interiewing Mosley, I found it of interest and thought many people in America, who may not have known of him, might be interested in this period of British history, he has certain resemblances to Trump imo,   apart from the hair., MOST NOTABLY POLITICAL OPPORTUNISM

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Padre
Date: 30 May 16 - 10:11 PM

If you choose to post a comment, it is assumed that you have a point. Otherwise, it should go into the "Mother of all BS Threads"

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 May 16 - 05:37 AM

Padre, do you make the rules here? my point is that mosley iswas like trump in that he is a political demagogue who stirs up racism, do i have to spell it out.

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 16 - 05:58 AM

OK, Dick, you've made the point now. Initially you posted a link as an opening thread post and didn't comment. It's quite interesting to watch in a perverse kind of way. It's over half an hour long and I've managed the first ten minutes so far. My first reaction is that David Frost was clearly gritting his teeth from the outset. Very anti. Not sure that that approach is going to produce the most revealing outcome. I'll watch the rest later.

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 31 May 16 - 08:27 AM

do i have to spell it out.

It would help Dick, it would certainly help.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 May 16 - 09:00 AM

I'll back Dick here... It's similar to an approach we took when running youth education projects based at an Art Gallery
I used to work in back in the 1980s..

Sit the Kids in front of a screen and run a video or slide show,
without preparing, or informing them of the content..

Then immediately after viewing, let their reaction determine the course of any following debate or conclusions.

Obviously, as course tutors we had a thematic agenda, and key points we expected the discussion to raise......


F'ck me. that was a long time ago.. I forgot I used to be that clever...??? 😜

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 May 16 - 09:08 AM

Padre - btw... some of us [most of us ???] never look in MOAB because it is too big to even open without freezing or crashing on our pathetic UK internet connections...

So if that's the case, according to you, no wonder it's so effing huge... !!!???

Makes me wonder how much interesting stuff is lost forever in there...???

Maybe stuff that should have merited dedicated threads...????? 🤔

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 May 16 - 11:22 AM

exactly, punk rocker let people watch and draw their own conclusions.
if i was to put up here is that anti semitic, oswald mosley pretending he was never anti semitic, it tends to produce confrontational responses.
however in amongst his pathetic denials, he does one make intersting point early IN THE INTERVIEW about the FINANCIAL difficulties of starting new parties, which brings me to the point who financed Hitler?

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 02:16 AM

So, anyhow, lacking an explanation from the thread originator, let me say that Oswald Mosley (1896-1980), was a British politician, known principally as the founder of the British Union of Fascists (BUF). TV host David Frost (1939-2013) had news discussion programs on both US and UK television.

Like many Americans, Mosley was a Fascist during the 1930s. He was imprisoned by the UK for his political beliefs 1940-43. He emigrated from the UK in 1951, and spent most of the rest of his life in France.

How popular and how powerful was Fascism in the UK in the 1930s? What was the state of political thinking in the US and the UK in the 1930s. How powerful was Communism at that time?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 02:29 AM

Well I got the point from the thread title. But then my mind works in mysterious ways.
On the other hand, there are people too young or distant to know who and what Oswold Mosley represented. Sometimes ya gotta be obvious, even if some jerk thinks you are being patronising.

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 03:24 AM

We must all have access to Wikipedia, & all the other resources of the www, to be reading any of this at all. So we all have instant means to check on who anybody in any way distinguished was, even tho we might not have heard of them. Why ∴ is it considered so necessary to spell everything out? I guarantee you can find both Mosley & Frost on Wiki in about 3 clicks.

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Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 03:40 AM

"Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 02:16 AM

So, anyhow, lacking an explanation from the thread originator"
Joe,give it a break, I am not going to put up explanations, if people are curious click on it and learn, form your own opinions, there is enough entrenched closed minds on the easter rising thread, without me trying to influence people.
here are some more facts, Mosley was supported by viscount rothermere[daily mail] whose descendant still own the paper and despite claiming to be very patriotic is a tax exile, that is not opinion but fact.
joe imo your job as a moderator does not consist of sending private messages to a member calling them an asshole or crtising me for deliberately trying to let people form their own opinions on the clip

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 03:49 AM

"How popular and how powerful was Fascism in the UK in the 1930s?"
This is a fair summing up of Fascism among the 'Great and the Good" of the British Establishment at the time.
I note that Arthur Charles Wellesley, 5th Duke of Wellington, appears to be missing from the piece - can't help wondering why!.
Wellesley was one of the founders of 'The Right' Club and died cursing "Those damned Yids" from his deathbed.
Makes interesting reading if you can put up with the somewhat florid language.
THE RIGHT CLUB
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 04:33 AM

Dick, your thread on Chairman Mao was coincident with the 50th anniversary of the start of the Cultural Revolution, although you didn't say so. Just out of interest, is there a significance to why we should be discussing an interview about fascism, broadcast some 48 years ago, at this particular time?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 04:44 AM

It's not exactly out-of-date Doug - the world is experiencing a severe swing to the right at present, a close-call in Austria a few weeks ago.
And if Trump becomes President......!!!!!
There's no harm in reminding us where we've been and where we might go again if we don't keep our eyes on the ball.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Will Fly
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 05:07 AM

Mosley was an interesting sort of character. An intelligent and fairly charismatic politician who moved across the House (of Commons) from Left to Right in the 1930s.

In 1961 or 1962 I was going to Euston Station in London, returning home from an army cadet training camp in Pirbright in Surrey. A fellow cadet said he was going to visit his uncle who worked on a magazine just round the corner from the station, and would I care to come along. As we had about an hour to kill before catching the train, I said yes.

His uncle was to be found in a scruffy little office off the Euston Road, and the magazine which, if I remember rightly, he edited or helped to edit, a mag which supported what was left of the British Union of Fascists - or whatever they called themselves in those days. I vaguely recall a logo with a lightning flash in the centre of it. Anyway, at some point in the conversation, who should walk in but Oswald Mosley. I don't recall that we exchanged more than brief introductions before it was time to leave and catch the train, but the moment has stayed in my mind.

I think he was a flawed man of huge talent who had big ideas and aspirations, but a lot of contempt for a large section of humanity. Perhaps his best memorial is Wodehouse's parody of him as Roderick Spode, 7th Earl of Sidcup and leader of the Black Shorts...

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 05:32 AM

Indeed, Wodehouse's Spode is a creation of genius.

I too once very briefly met Sir Oswald. Cambridge Union Society president in about 1953, the late Nicholas Tomalin invited me to be a teller in a debate to which he had somewhat controversially invited Mosley to speak; so I got to be intro'd to him before proceedings began. That is a moment that has remained in my mind likewise; tho not, I suspect, in his for as long as he went on going on!

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Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 06:38 AM

look what mosley does with his eyes, its scary, he must have practised it in front of a mirror.

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 06:49 AM

an example of the eyes comes at .34, but later he does it again and again

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 07:43 AM

this what the person said who put the clip up
David Frost interviews Oswald Mosley. Frost interviewed the former head of the British Union of Fascists on his ITV show 'The Frost Programme' on the 16th November 1967. I do not own the copyright for this recording but I believe that it is important that this footage is available to those with an interest in British political and media history and the footage does not already exist on Youtube

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 01:49 AM

It's not exactly out-of-date Doug - the world is experiencing a severe swing to the right at present
it doesn't hurt to point out a reason for posting, particularly if you are being serious.
What is the word for deliberately avoiding being patronising to the point of terseness? There is a noun that gets close.
If nothing else it steers the debate. The wrong people will still get personal no matter what, you just give them more reason.

The internet is a communication medium. First. Then an entertainment. Sometime information. Which are you using it for? Think!

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 08:17 AM

Have no idea what you are on about Mr R - unless you consider yourself one of the extreme right, of course!
Happy to respond to your accusations if you would be good enough to explain what they are.
I do admire youra attempts to limit the internet to entertainment and "sometimes" information - must right that down
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 10:09 AM

I though Frost conducted the interview well,imo he gave mosley enough rope, and Mosley hung himself.

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 08:56 PM

One interesting fact about Mosley which rather oddly seems not to have attracted attention in the context of the current referendum is that in his post war campaigning he was vigorously in favour of "Europe a Nation", and published a journal called The European, from 1953 to 1959.

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 05:44 AM

That is interesting, despite all his waffle about being A British Patriot, I wonder what his motives were, I doubt if he was in favour of the minimium wage, and I doubt if he was in favour of european immigration, Iwonder what kind of European nation he favoured.

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 05:48 AM

HERE IS AN EXTRACTED QUOTE FROM WIKI, this is only part of the entire wiki article, the rest is available to read if members and non members wish to google europe a nation oswald mosley.
"Mosley first presented his idea of Europe forming a single state in his book The Alternative in 1947.[5] He argued that the traditional vision of nationalism that had been followed by the various shades of pre-war fascism had been too narrow in scope and that the post-war era required a new paradigm in which Europe would come together as a single state.[6] He rejected any notion of a federal Europe, instead calling for full integration.[7] Indeed, Mosley insisted that a supranational European state was essential to the plan.[8] The policy was presented to the wider electorate in October 1948 when Mosley called for elections to a European Assembly as the first step towards his vision.[2]

The notion also had an important geopolitical dimension as Mosley saw it as the only defence against Europe becoming the scene of the power struggles between the United States and the Soviet Union in the Cold War.[9] He contended that the racial kinship between the Germanic peoples of Europe, whom he defined as the Germans, British, Scandinavians and French, would be the basis for unity, whilst also declaring his admiration for the contributions of the Latin peoples to Europe's cultural history.[10]

He was opposed to both the United Nations and its predecessor the League of Nations, dismissing both as part of a Jewish plot to undermine nationalism.[11] As such Europe a Nation was to include an anti-Semitic dimension, with the entire Jewish population of Europe to be expelled to a homeland in Palestine where their fate would be decided by the Arabs.[12]

Africa, most of which was still in the hands of the European colonial empires, was to be retained by the united Europe as a giant colony, with apartheid implemented on a continental basis, effectively excluding Blacks from Europe.[2] Notions of any indigenous rule in Africa were excluded altogether from the idea.[13] With autarky a central aim of Europe a Nation, Africa was to be exploited by the new state for its mineral and food resources. In this aspect Mosley was heavily influenced by the works of Anton Zischka.[14]

Mosley subsequently built upon the policy by calling for the European state to have its prices and incomes regulated by a "wage price mechanism", whilst also calling for "European Socialism", a syndical style organisation basis for the continent's industry.[15] Effectively though the vision he presented was one that was highly steeped in corporatism and elitism.[16] Elections were to be corporatist in nature with an occupation-based franchise (previously a British Union of Fascists policy) whilst "European Socialism" was to include an effective free hand for business leaders but the co-ordination of workers in bodies called "labour Charters", a policy borrowed from the Fascist Italy.[16]

Mosley summed up the arguments himself by stating that 'no lesser degree of union than that of an integral nation can give the will and power to act on the great scale.... No lesser space than all Europe, and the overseas possessions of Europe in a common pool, can give the room within which to act effectively'.[17] However Europe a Nation drew heavily on the existing heritage of fascism and indeed Graham Macklin has argued that it "merely adapted and enlarged the parameters of his fascist panacea to suit the times, and is thus easily recognisable as 'Fascist'".[18]

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Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 06:08 AM

Here is a quote about Edward Heath who was in favour of a european nation of possibly a different kind to Mosley, this quote contains allegations about Heath that have yet to be ANSWERED/ DECIDED.
Edward Heath like to prtray an image of being a one nation conservative and a european nation conservative, but he did share mosleys enthusiasm for a european nation.
this quote is from a eurosceptic ex barrister michael shrimpton. quote
"A well known eurosceptic ex-barrister Michael Shrimpton has written a well researched book about the secret history of German intelligence.
In this book that has taken him three years to write, he covers many of the usual subjects of the conspiracy theorists including the Kennedy assassination and the Princess Diana incident.
However, the real interest to the eurosceptics will be on his analysis of why the UK joined the EU and the manipulation behind the scenes of the political leaders involved, including Edward Heath.
He goes into great lengths to as he puts it "follow the money" to expose the truth behind events in history going back to the first world war and even earlier.
Shrimpton discusses the methods used to target prominent individuals who have shaped political and financial opinions in Europe, America and the wider world.
Leaving no stone unturned, he goes into great lengths to investigate and analysis the major events that have shaped the past and future direction of this country and many others. By using his contacts in the Pentagon, the CIA and elsewhere he leads one through a fascinating world of espionage and discovery.
The result is an intriguing journey through his alternative view of history that leaves the reader questioning the real intentions of Germany in respect of its membership of the European Union, but also showing the way in which politicians of all countries are being in many cases unknowingly controlled.
Shrimpton states he is fully prepared to let history judge his work and as the hidden information slowly makes its way to the surface he will eventually be proved right or wrong. In the mean-time he raises many questions.
junepress.net publishers of Spyhunter
Michael Shrimpton claims in his book Spyhunter that Prime Minister Edward Heath was a pedophile who murdered his young boy victims or had others do it, often by throwing them into the sea after Heath had abused them on his yacht.
Below is an extract from Michael Shrimpton's Spyhunter, which he was keen for us to use in this feature;
Chapter 25 The 1970s The Heath Government
Britain has had some dodgy Prime Ministers, but few have been dodgier, or grumpier, than Sir Edward Heath. The old curmudgeon was an exception to the rule that spies should be charming, intel-speak for disarming. He had allies of course, not just in the government, Tony Barber being the foremost, but in the Cabinet Office. In 1973 he arranged for the appointment of Lord Normanbrook's old Private Secretary, Sir John Hunt, later Lord Hunt of Tamworth, as Cabinet Secretary. A paedophile, like Heath himself, Hunt was the fifth German spy, and the first Catholic, to be made Cabinet Secretary. The paedophile ring which supplied teenage boys to them both was coordinated by a Leeds nightclub operator turned BBC disc-jockey, Jimmy Savile. Savile's involvement in paedophilia was suppressed by the BBC and the Cabinet Office for decades, for political reasons. They weren't protecting Savile so much as Heath and Hunt. Other names may emerge in due course. At the time of writing the police are busily engaged in arresting every celebrity they can find, including Rolf Harris, in the hope of diverting attention from Number 10 and the Cabinet Office. A strong supporter of EEC membership, John Hunt played a key role in rigging the result of the 1975 referendum on withdrawal from the EEC.
He was close to the Jesuits, marrying the widowed sister of that nice man Cardinal Basil Hume in 1973. His Eminence was a Benedictine, not a Jesuit, but he had his contacts there.
Iain Macleod having been murdered to get him out of the way, Britain duly joined the EEC on terms dictated by Germany, on 1st January 1973. Both the House of Commons and the House of Lords were assured by the Law Officers and the Lord Chancellor that Parliament's supremacy would not be affected. As we have seen the four Law Officers of the Crown (i.e. including the Scottish Law Officers) confidentially advised Heath that were an Act of Parliament to be passed subsequent to EEC entry which breached community law the courts would have to give effect to it.
Heath knew perfectly well that Parliament was led up the garden path. When the lie was given to the assurances and the judges tried to set aside the Merchant Shipping Act 1988, Heath was nowhere to be seen. I certainly do not recall Ted saying anything about the constitutional advice he had received. It was only made public in 2001, under the Thirty Year Rule, with a bit of unofficial help from MI6.

The above picture shows Heath when he was British Prime Minister from 1970-1974
Ironically, since both British signatories to the Treaty of Brussels, Edward Heath and Geoffrey Rippon QC, were agents of the DVD, the treaty was not binding on Britain at all. Under international law, codified in the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties,1 a state is not bound by a treaty if its signatories are corrupted by another party. The idea that the Treaty of Rome is binding on Britain has been touted nonstop since 1973. It simply isn't true. The assassination of the courageous journalist Christopher Story in Erie, PA, in 2010, by the DVD, did nothing to weaken the point. He lingered on and died in the July, in England, but the liver cancer which killed him was triggered in Erie. Christopher, sadly, suffered from Badge Syndrome. He was taken out (the old poisoned smoked salmon sandwich trick) by a DVD agent who was able to flash a badge. 2 Liver is one of several forms of cancer, including pancreatic (used to take down poor old Jimmy Goldsmith) that the Germans have been able to induce. Being able to cause cancer was of Dr Mengele's Holy Grails. I do not profess to understand the science (I am a lawyer, not a scientist), but apparently it's something to do with APOBEC cytidine deaminases and coating cancerous cells with a virus. No doubt lots of people died horrible deaths before it was perfected. Christopher was the only journalist to date with the intelligence connections and the cojones to expose Heath and Rippon. 3 The mainstream media studiously ignored his revelations and carried on pretending that the Treaty of European Union was binding on the UK. It is actually very dangerous to get your assets to sign an international treaty. Ted (I always called him Ted, partly because it annoyed him) would have been better off sending along a couple of junior ministers. He wanted to grab the glory however. Ted was so arrogant that he actually thought that no one would question his patriotism. His belief that he was immune from serious counterintelligence scrutiny was partly based, apparently, on his less than impressive war record. This had to be bolstered by with a dodgy MBE pushed by German assets in the War Office, another giveaway. Christopher Story's courageous reporting was not denied by either the British or German governments, although his website and journal were subject to detailed intelligence and central banking scrutiny. As opponents of EEC entry, including the late, great Enoch Powell 4 and that other nice man Michael Foot had predicted, the British economy collapsed. Britain's terms of trade with the member states of the EEC deteriorated rapidly. Unemployment, and with it public expenditure, shot up as factories closed or laid off workers. Government borrowing ballooned. Inflation, driven by Value Added Tax, a requirement of EEC membership, and higher food prices as a result of the Common Agricultural Policy, soared. The City was rewarded by increased access to the offshore Medium Term Note trading programmes 5 run from Frankfurt. This led to a loss of control over the money supply and was an even more powerful driver of inflation than VAT and the CAP. Barber of course was happy to let inflation run out of control. His whole chancellorship was simply an exercise in economic sabotage,
Barber knew what he was doing. A small number of officials in the Treasury and the Bank of England also knew what was going on. The Macleod assassination created a climate of fear in the City, the Treasury and the Bank however. Sadly, it doesn't take much to intimidate civil servants and the City. A couple of murders and basically they're anybody's. By 1976 the country was forced to go cap-in-hand to the International Monetary Fund. No one in authority, the media or the IMF linked this to EEC membership. As usual the public were left in bewildered ignorance. There have been a surprisingly high number of banking murders over the years, almost all to do with MTN trading programmes. On one famous occasion 6 a banker was found swinging beneath a bridge over the Thames. Along with stagflation this was treated as perfectly normal by the authorities, as though bankers swing from bridges all the time. The authorities in Europe were similarly unperturbed when a former head of the European Central Bank 7 was found floating face down in his swimming pool. The ECB didn't even institute swimming lessons for the directors, or distribute waterwings. Banking is a bloody business, but in my experience only an extraordinarily small number of bankers carry guns. Heath and Barber, along with GO2, were keen on promoting industrial sabotage. Most of this was down to communists or pseudo-communists in the trade unions. The useful idiots reported to Moscow, which actually bankrolled some strikes, or the Communist Party of Great Britain. They were subsidised from Moscow, e.g. by bulk purchases of its newspaper The Morning Star , which very few people actually read. 8 The major players reported to GO2 or the Cabinet Office. The latter were more than happy to encourage strikes provided no one knew that they were doing so. More importantly they made sure the playing field was tilted in favour of the trade unions, a strategy which started to some unstuck thanks to the Freedom Association. This was founded by the Viscount de L'Isle VC, the McWhirter twins (Norris and Ross) and a gutsy former military intelligence officer, the late John Gouriet. I only knew Norris and John, but I gather that they were all a first-rate bunch of chaps.
copyright June Press

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 03:39 AM

Of course Mosley was in favour of concatenating Europe. He sided with Hitler after all.
FWIW Hitler was a union leader and a socialist - originally.

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Jun 16 - 09:48 PM

"FWIW Hitler was a union leader and a socialist - originally"
please back this statement with facts

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 04:15 AM

BBC TV (or was it a Yesterday repeat thereof) programme recently charted Hitler's rise. They reported his political career route was through a union, rising to leader.

I thought everyone knew that Nazi was a contraction of "National Socialist" but there you go - wrong on one count, but not the other. see Wiki
Adolf Hitler (20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was the leader of the National Socialist German Workers' Party

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 04:52 AM

Wiki: Hitler became Chief of Propaganda not quite leader, but titular head. So, was it my memory or the TV programme's slant? - Who knows.

read and enjoy - Herr Schweik

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 07:10 AM

National Socialis Workers (Nazi) party (Nothing to do with Socialism)
As distinct from Socialist Workers Party of Germany
Much nearer to what it says on the tin.
What's your point Mr (inappropriately-named) Red?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: frost interview with mosley
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Jun 16 - 04:00 AM

Hitler did not believe in Socialism or Communism,Neither did Mosley.,however they were both anti semitic and could accurately be described as fascist.
"Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[7] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[7] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature, and views political violence, war, and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[8][9][10][11] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies"