Cellar Full of Folk

Subject: Cellar Full of Folk
From: GUEST,Lute100
Date: 07 Jun 16 - 05:03 AM

A friend sent me seven sound files containing eleven separate broadcasts of 'London folk Song Cellar'. The track listings I have seen on Mudcat are incomplete, so I have done a really comprehensive version. I did this in an Excel file but am unsure how to post its contents into a forum space like this. What is the best way to get my track listing out there for people to use?
There is a reference in the accompanying Wordpad file to an earlier programme called 'A Cellar Full of Folk'. I'm sure there was an LP of selections from this programme, it may have had the word 'dungeon' in the title but I'm not sure and I think it was on the BBC's own label. If researching this on the Internet be sure to write 'Cellar' and 'Full' as separate words or you will be taken to 'A Cellarful of Noise' instead.

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: GUEST,Reinhard
Date: 07 Jun 16 - 05:35 AM

Dungeon Folk has live recordings from the Dungeon Folk Club (held weekly in the basement of The Copper public house near Tower Bridge) broadcast on Ian Grant's BBC Radio 1 production "Country Meets Folk".

Looks like this isn't from the Folk Song Cellar.

Sandy Denny's Live at the BBC box has a few tracks of this on it, though.

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 07 Jun 16 - 08:35 PM

There is a project to recompile the 39 programmes of London Folk Song Cellar. Some audio files are already out there. Please send me a list of what you have - in return I'll send you a list of what we have. BTW the ONLY complete set of transcription discs is in the British Library Sound Archives - they are for listening to only on site. Its great that these definitive tracks of the early Brit. folk scene are getting into the public domain at last. CJB [chrisjbrady AT gmail DOT com]

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jun 16 - 10:47 PM

RE:

best way to get my track listing out there for people to use?

For Mudcat...the simpler the better.

1. Select All under Edit
2. Copy Paste to Notepad/wordpad or similar.


You will get a jumble of text lines flowing together.
Hand hit a keyboard "return" or "enter" etc...or a manualaly typed

" at the end of each entry.

3. Save, Copy and Post to MC.

Sincerly,

You are a very generous person. THANK YOU

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 12:00 AM

Hi, Lute -
I can usually do a pretty good job of posting Excel spreadsheets here. I have a magic editing button that helps.

Here's an example: (click)

Just email 'em to me, and I'll get them up in a day or three.

Joe Offer, Mudcat Music Editor-
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 07:13 AM

I think that this is really about the (London) Folk Song Cellar - recorded at Cecil Sharp House in London in the 1960s by the Transcription Service of the BBC for sales to overseas radio stations. Cellar Full Of Folk appears to have been made up of clips from the former for the BBC World Service which was then broadcast on shortwave.

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: Reinhard
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 11:28 AM

Fledg'ling Records is going to issue a 7" vinyl EP of Anne Briggs, "Four Songs", in mid August. According to the blurb on propermusic.com, these are previously unreleased recordings made by Peter Kennedy in 1966 for the BBC programme Folk-Song Cellar.

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 12:30 PM

That is great news. Anything from that era is bound to be classic folk. From our research these are the songs by Anne Briggs on the LFSC transcription discs:

LFSC Prog. No.        Performer        Title        BBC T-Discs        (P) Date

LFSC 01        Anne Briggs        The Recruited Collier        115618/115619        1966.4
LFSC 16        Anne Briggs        A Bower In My Breast        116855/116856        1966.12
LFSC 16        Anne Briggs        Polly Vaughan        116855/116856        1966.12

But I would opine that Peter Kennedy didn't record these per se - LFSC was recorded by the BBC 'live' at C#H. The recordings were then edited onto to transcription discs for the BBC Transcription Service, and clips were also edited for CFOF for the World Service.

It is likely that the Anne Briggs recordings - like the Sandy Denny recordings - have come from the original transcription discs of LFSC.

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: Reinhard
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 01:06 PM

The tracklist of the new Anne Briggs EP is

A1 The Recruited Collier
A2 My Bonny Boy (i.e. your A Bower In My Breast)
B1 Polly Vaughan
B2 The Verdant Braes of Skreen

This is the announcement in the latest Fledg'ling newsletter:

"In the summer of 1966 Peter Kennedy recorded a series of 45 minute radio programmes for the BBC. Folk-Song Cellar was presented as 'an informal get-together' in a fictional 'folk club' hosted by Robin Hall and Jimmie MacGregor and over the 39 broadcast episodes featured over one hundred performers from Britain and Ireland. Billed as "from Nottinghamshire comes Anne Briggs to sing some of those unaccompanied songs she heard first from the gypsies"; Anne sang three songs during the launch episode of Folk-Song Cellar, broadcast on Saturday 16th August 1966. Remarkably these beautiful performances have survived for half a century."

Note that this also mentions only three songs. I wonder what the source of The Verdant Braes of Skreen is.

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 02:16 PM

Anne Briggs didn't get The Recruited Collier "from the gypsies", wherever she may have got other songs from.

But this is good news anway.

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 04:42 PM

Thanks for the update on Peter Kennedy's involvement.

Does anyone have / know the track listing for episode 28:

LFSC 28    Featured artists: The North West Three, Kathie MacDonald, Trevor Lucas, The Chiltern Ramblers.

All we have are:

LFSC 28    North West Three Queen Eleanor´s Confession    120039/120041    1967.12

LFSC 28    Trevor Lucas   
The Flash Stockman (on The Attic Tracks Vol. 4: Together Again)    120039/120041    1967.12

Thanks - CJB

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 05:14 PM

Our spreadsheet is here:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ccxss96z76y01az/London_Folk_Song_Cellar_Index3.xls

If anyone can identify the missing intros / outros or indeed correct the names of the tracks or performers please let us know.

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 05:44 PM

The LFSC programmes we are still missing are:

LFSC 01
LFSC 02
LFSC 03
LFSC 04

LFSC 06
LFSC 07
LFSC 08
LFSC 09

LFSC 14
LFSC 15
LFSC 16
LFSC 17
LFSC 18
LFSC 19

LFSC 28

LFSC 33
LFSC 34
LFSC 35

LFSC 38
LFSC 39

CJB

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 13 Jun 16 - 11:03 AM

Spreadsheet now at:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ccxss96z76y01az/London_Folk_Song_Cellar_Index3.xls

Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 16 - 11:10 AM

We are seeking the artists and track list of programme 28 from Transcription Disks 120039 (part 1) and 120041 (part 2).

http://cadensa.bl.uk/uhtbin/cgisirsi/x/x/0/49/%20;%20charset=UTF-8

then use search term 'folk song cellar'

If anyone can help next time they visit the BL please could you find out for us - or maybe someone already knows!!!

Many thanks.

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Folk song cellar - programmes 27 (Part 1) and 28 (Part 1)
   
SHELFMARK:    1LP0152215
Product title:    Folk song cellar - programmes 27 (Part 1) and 28 (Part 1)
Contents note:    Featured artists (programme 27): The Black Country Three.- Wag Puddefoot.- Shirley and Dolly Collins.- Sean O'Shea. (programme 28): The North West Three.- Kathie MacDonald.- Trevor Lucas.- The Chiltern Ramblers. Total duration each programme approx. 42 minutes.
Label:    BBC TRANSCRIPTION 120038/120039/CN612
Label match:    BBCTRANSCRIPTION120038
Label match:    BBCTRANSCRIPTION1CN612
Label match:    BBCTRANSCRIPTION120039
Publication date:    1967-12
Format:    1 disc 2 sides 30 cm 33 rpm
Documentation:    In BBC Transcription Service Catalogue (Light Music, page 118)
Copy usage status:    2

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Folk song cellar - programmes 27 (Part 2) and 28 (Part 2)
   
SHELFMARK:    1LP0152216
Product title:    Folk song cellar - programmes 27 (Part 2) and 28 (Part 2)
Label:    BBC TRANSCRIPTION 120040/120041/CN612
Label match:    BBCTRANSCRIPTION120040
Label match:    BBCTRANSCRIPTION1CN612
Label match:    BBCTRANSCRIPTION120041
Publication date:    1967-12
Format:    1 disc 2 sides 30 cm 33 rpm
Documentation:    In BBC Transcription Service Catalogue (Light Music, page 118)
Copy usage status:    2

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Subject: RE: Cellar Full of Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 28 Jun 16 - 11:05 AM

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Subject: Cellar Full of Folk
From: GUEST,Lute100
Date: 07 Jun 16 - 05:03 AM

A friend sent me seven sound files containing eleven separate broadcasts of 'London folk Song Cellar'. The track listings I have seen on Mudcat are incomplete, so I have done a really comprehensive version. I did this in an Excel file but am unsure how to post its contents into a forum space like this.

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The files were from Ross MacLennan's 7 cassettes dubbed from his original reel-reel off-air recordings made in the 1960/70s in New Zealand. These were aired by the NZBC National Programme at 3.00 am on Monday mornings from BBC Transcription Discs. These programmes and many others have now been reconstructed and cleaned up; and missing 'gaps' from cassette turnover events have been repaired with recordings from others' tapes.

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CJB