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BS: Labour party discussion

Keith A of Hertford 06 Dec 16 - 07:08 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Dec 16 - 06:47 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Dec 16 - 05:45 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Dec 16 - 04:59 AM
Keith A of Hertford 06 Dec 16 - 04:56 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Dec 16 - 04:44 AM
Keith A of Hertford 06 Dec 16 - 04:22 AM
Keith A of Hertford 06 Dec 16 - 04:11 AM
Jim Carroll 05 Dec 16 - 07:01 AM
Steve Shaw 05 Dec 16 - 06:27 AM
Jim Carroll 05 Dec 16 - 05:49 AM
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Steve Shaw 04 Dec 16 - 03:01 PM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Dec 16 - 01:54 PM
Steve Shaw 26 Oct 16 - 01:50 PM
Steve Shaw 26 Oct 16 - 01:39 PM
Teribus 26 Oct 16 - 11:39 AM
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bobad 26 Oct 16 - 07:33 AM
Keith A of Hertford 26 Oct 16 - 06:38 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 07:08 AM

Classic weasel words. Where's your evidence? What people? All people? Some people? One or two people? A couple of your racist mates down the pub?

I have no racist mates Steve.
The opinion was expressed by various people on Marr and/or Peston on Sunday.
If you want names I will flick through them again.

In Richmond Park, Labour supporters voted Lib Dem because of views on Brexit.
BBC,
"And it saw Labour's vote fall dramatically, with the Lib Dems taking the credit for scooping up their supporters.
But it is the claim by the victor Sarah Olney that the result is a verdict on Brexit that is most worthy of examination, because it goes to the heart of the schism that has been driven into British politics this year. She said she would vote against triggering Article 50 - the process to take Britain out of the EU. "

"The Lib Dem leader Tim Farron said the result was "historic" and a verdict on a so-called "hard" Brexit - taking the UK out of the single market."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38184503


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 06:47 AM

"He is the elected deputy leader of the Party Jim."
Ed Milliband
"In June 2014, while speaking to the Labour Friends of Israel, Miliband stated that if he became Prime Minister he would seek "closer ties" with Israel and opposed the boycott of Israeli goods,"
Wiki
C'mon Keith
Six weeks after Corbyn announces his support for B.D.S. labour is swamped by a totally unprecedented accusations of Antisemitism.
No actual cases of anti-Semitism were ecer cites – only criticism of Israeli policy.
The accusations fade
Around three weeks after a delegation led by arch – Israeli supporter, Tom Watson, Vice Cairman of Labour's Friends of Israel, return from a visit to Israel, those attacks are renewed.
Immediately, Mudcat's own Israeli arch atrocity denier reopens a thread attacking the Labour Party.
There seems to be a nasty dose of H.M.V. (His Master's Voice') doing the rounds.
I hope you have no problem in converting your thirty Shekels of silver into Sterling for selling out democratically elected British politicians?
Even Israeli newspaper hHaaretz has managed to make the link between these accusations and Israel
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 05:45 AM

My autocorrect "corrected" damnedest four times before I finally thought I'd defeated it and sent the post. I was wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 04:59 AM

Tom Watson is a complete twat who has done more to deliberately undermine Corbyn than almost anyone else. That's the man's mission. He doesn't give a toss about "antisemitism." He's doing his damndest to use it to try to weaken Corbyn, who he hates and is obsessively trying to get rid of.

"It appears that people are now voting according to their Brexit position and not for parties."

Classic weasel words. Where's your evidence? What people? All people? Some people? One or two people? A couple of your racist mates down the pub?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 04:56 AM

He is the elected deputy leader of the Party Jim.
He knows more about the Party than even you and Steve.

" and said Labour supports the state of Israel."

"And he condemned the "boycott, divestment, sanctions" (BDS) movement,"

"I know that people here are understandably frustrated by how long it's taking the Labour Party to deal with anti-Semitism in our midst. You're right to be. It should have been quicker."


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 04:44 AM

Backto the same old same old unproved antisemitism by the same old same old people who have yet to describe the antisemitism and the people involved
Can we assume that the 'Jewish conspiracy' you described, that has bound the so-called victims of this antisemitism to silemce is still operational?
Ed Milliband - wouldn't he be one of those people who is still tying to unseat the leader of the Labour Party and returnn to being King of the castle again?
B.D.S. must be beginning to bite!!
LABOUR DELEGATION in ISRAEL Jerusalem Post 6th December
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 04:22 AM

Last week,
"Midland Labour MP Tom Watson has delivered a blunt and unambiguous condemnation of anti-Semitism, and said Labour supports the state of Israel.
The Labour Deputy Leader said he was ashamed that there had been suggestions of anti-Semitism within his party, and admitted people were "right" to be "understandably frustrated" that the party had not dealt with the problem quickly enough.
He backed a two-state solution in the Middle East, which would mean Israel existing alongside an independent Palestinian state.
And he condemned the "boycott, divestment, sanctions" (BDS) movement, which calls for a boycott of Israeli-made products as well as contact with Israeli academics."

"He told his audience: "Let me say something before we get any further today about taking on anti-Semitism in the Labour Party: that's a moral responsibility. I am ashamed that I am saying anti-Semitism and Labour in the same sentence.
"But dealing with it can't be something we do for show, for the sake of it, because we've come under media pressure, or because we need to deal with a political problem. It's a commandment.
"I know that people here are understandably frustrated by how long it's taking the Labour Party to deal with anti-Semitism in our midst. You're right to be. It should have been quicker.
"I know there are still some outstanding issues that cannot be ignored. They won't be ignored. Action is being taken now and if, God forbid, we find these problems again, action will be quicker in the future.""
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/tom-watson-labour-opposes-anti-12248217


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 04:11 AM

It appears that people are now voting according to their Brexit position and not for parties.
In England and Wales that will be very harmful for Labour, and they have almost no presence in Scotland anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 07:01 AM

"Anything to whittle down their effective majority will do me."
And me
Happy to accept what you say Steve - I left West London in 1998.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 06:27 AM

Well my lad and his family live in Richmond (I once lived in Barnes for 18 months and did my degree at plane-afflicted Imperial College). The residents tend to accept the plane noise with equanimity on the whole but I imagine the majority are ardently opposed to the runway and accompanying environmental devastation. As such, a vote for Goldsmith is a vote for the Tories is a vote for the runway, in spite of his personal opposition. You could hardly see the spoilt racist politics-for-recreation brat siding with anyone else, could you? Not fussy, those Tories, are they? Anything to whittle down their effective majority will do me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 05:49 AM

"Well you say that, Jim,"
Take your word for it Steve - but having Lived in West London, not ar from Richmond, and having worked in Richmond, Twickenham, Hounslow.... and many of the places effected by the already over exposed pollution from aircraft noise, I find it unlikely that the proposed runway had no effect
Voters tend to respond to what the government is actually doing rather than what the candidate is promising to do.
I've just been listening to a discussion on the Italian result, and I think it's indisputable that the issues on these elections are far wider than the main one, as far as the voters are concerned - an opportunity to express discontent on many, rather than the one on the card.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 05:28 AM

Well you say that, Jim, but all three main candidates were against the runway. The LibDems successfully turned it into an anti-Zac anti-Brexit vote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 04:13 AM

Richmond Park is in one one of the wealthiest and most privileged parts of Britain and would have most to lose from a victory by a Labour Party with decent principles, so the only surprise would have been so see Labour advance in any way there.   
Of course this vote was about the new runway - yo only have to spend four minutes (the length of the time gap between passing planes) to realise that.
This proposed runway is a fine example of the disinterest this Government has for the health and comfort of those they govern - profit before people, every time.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 03:01 PM

Two things. Central Office was a bit stupid to put up a candidate. It's a good bet that hundreds or thousands of Labour members in Richmond voted tactically in order to get rid of the scumbag Trust Fund Kid. That's what I would have done, no messing. The candidate is an excellent man of great integrity. I feel that we'll be seeing him again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 01:54 PM

In the Richmond Park by-election, Labour lost its deposit with fewer votes than they have actual members there!
What are they doing wrong that even their members will not vote for them?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 01:50 PM

Bit of silliness there, Teribus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 01:39 PM

Bit of a double standard, Keith, when you get all sanctimonious about alleged personal attacks on you yet stand by in silence when your bosom-buddy indulges in much worse behaviour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 11:39 AM

Let's see if we got this right Jim.

In the Labour Party for every 12,000 members one has been suspended and accused of making "anti-Semitic" statements or acting in an unacceptable "anti-Semitic" manner.

In 1939 one in every 197,872 people would be a member of "The Right Party" holding "anti-Semitic" views.

Now that in make-up means that the Labour Party is 16 times more "anti-Semitic" than "The Right Party".


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 10:38 AM

Let's see his explanation for posting videos intended to demonize ordinary Jews.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: bobad
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 07:33 AM

Don't bother Keith, he's obviously a sick and twisted little man, more to be pitied than argued with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 06:38 AM

Nobody apart from "ordinary" Jew-hater Keith and his two fiends have ever questioned The Jewish Homeland

Then why did you put that up as a reason for Hunt's views to be dismissed out of hand Jim, and what is wrong with being a member of Friends of Israel and objecting to the boycott?

You call me, "ordinary Jew-hater Keith." which is a nasty bit of name calling and personal attack.
I remind you that it was you you produced video, probably spurious but purported to show ordinary Jews behaving despicably.
Asked why, you said to show what is going on in Israel, as if despicable behaviour is normal for Israeli Jews.
Is that your view Jim?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 05:13 AM

They were "insignificant enough" to have attempted to form an emergency Government for when "Herr Hitler" won the war - Lords, MPs and industrialists
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 04:51 AM

"A yes "The Right Club", that terribly important and influential political driving force in British politics."
Oh - spreading antisemitism is fine as long as it's only circulated among the good and the great??
I've given you an example of that antisemitism - you have refused to give me an example of yours
Keith, in fact, blamed "the Jews" for refusing to reveal it.
Pathetic as ever
Incidentally, the author of th poem, Archibald Ramsey allowed to return to Parliament after the war and his first act was to attempt to introduce antisemitic laws

"Ramsay continued occasionally to put down written Parliamentary questions from jail, sometimes taking up the cases of fellow 18B internees. His eldest son Alec, serving in the Scots Guards, died of pneumonia on active service in South Africa in August 1943. Ramsay was finally released from detention on 26 September 1944, being one of the last few 18B detainees. He immediately returned to Westminster to resume his seat in the Commons, causing at least one member to storm out of the chamber. His only significant action in the remainder of the Parliament was a motion calling for the reinstatement of the 1275 Statute of the Jewry passed under King Edward I. He did not defend his seat in the 1945 general election."
ARCHIBALD MAULE RAMSEY
There is still a site deifying this man accessible on the web.
" 235 members in total
One of whom included Arthur Wellesley, 5th Duke of Wellington, who was still cursing "The Yids" on his deathbed.
Your little trio really is a clique of double-standard Antisemitism appeasers, isn't it.
You people are every bit as antisemitic as these people - "hermeless antisemitism" my arse
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 04:18 AM

A yes "The Right Club", that terribly important and influential political driving force in British politics.

Distributing poems eh?

Population of the UK in 1939 was approximately 46.5 million people

The Right Club formed in May 1939 and made illegal and disbanded in May 1940 had at it's peak 235 members in total WOW! Ever heard of a thing called perspective?

As a percentage goes that is less than the numbers of Labour Party members suspended or under investigation for "anti-Semitism" - You know Jim the number you and your pals refer to as a minute and insignificant minority.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 03:49 AM

" "You shagged our prime minister and now you're trying to shag me from behind!""
Stop it - stop it - stop it.... I will not listen to all this dirty talk!!!!
You're talking about the woman I........
Off to see the latest Ken Loach in Dublin
Final thought.
Isn't it interesting how our our resident flag-wagger, who has busted a gut defending very crime carried out by the British Great and Good - even to the extent of describing vile antisemitic poetry:

(11) Anti-Semitic poem distributed by the Right Club in 1939.

Land of dope and Jewry
Land that once was free
All the Jew boys praise thee
Whilst they plunder thee

Poorer still and poorer
Grow thy true-born sons
Faster still and faster
They're sent to feed the guns.

Land of Jewish finance
Fooled by Jewish lies
In press and books and movies
While our birthright dies

Longer still and longer
Is the rope they get
But - by the God of battles
'Twill serve to hang them yet.

....written by a member of the House of Lords just prior to the Jewish People being sent to the Nazi Gas Chambers in their millions - describing it as "Harmless as the theme Song from Dad's Army", is more than happy to put the same effort into to defend a foreign power's attempts to undermine a democratically elected British political party
Quislings eh - who'd have 'em?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 09:14 PM

"She broke my heart when she ran off with Major Major - I never forgave her - the hussy!!"

Did you see that episode of some celebrity cooking show she did with Gordon Ramsay? After she'd made a hash of some dish she was cooking, Ramsey whipped round and shouted at Edwina "You shagged our prime minister and now you're trying to shag me from behind!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 09:05 PM

Ah Jaysus, Jim, I know what it's like. It's the missus's birthday today and, though we're not supposed to drink Tuesdays, well what can you do. Been addled all day since the large glass of white I reluctantly forced down at lunchtime. I'll never learn. Just can't take booze any time before seven in the evening any more. Which will probably save me life...


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 07:27 PM

Steve of course - shouldn't have had that last bottle of Bishops Finger
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 07:25 PM

"PLEASE tell me you don't read Edwina Currie novels, Jim"
Nope - nary a page Stage - but there again - I've never seen 'The Sound of Music either.
She broke my heart when she ran off with Major Major - I never forgave her - the hussy!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 07:10 PM

PLEASE tell me you don't read Edwina Currie novels, Jim...😳🔫


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 04:09 PM

Do yu really need any more evidence than this to prove the link between the Israeli regime and accusations of antisemitism aimed at a party whose record of anti racism and anti sectarianism is to tarlly unblemished?
Murphy - Garrard -Friends of Israel - with a bit of financial iffiness thrown in for good measure
Reads like an Edwina Curry novel!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 02:53 PM

Nobody apart from "ordinary" Jew-hater Keith and his two fiends have ever questioned The Jewish Homeland - your cowardly trolling accusations are about as valid as accusations of antisemitism aimed at the Labour Party - and every bit as unsubstantiated.
"Jim Murphy the former Scottish Labour leader"
And former chairman of Labour Friends of Israel
"From 1997 to 2001 Murphy was vice-chair of the Labour Friends of Israel (LFI) and then chair from 2001 to 2002. Murphy has described himself as a 'regular visitor' to Israel. One of his visits, in 2012, was paid for by the Maureen and David Garrard Foundation, which donated £1,570 to Murphy for the trip according to the Electoral Commission. [1] Formerly a donor to the Conservative party in the 1980s and 90s, Sir David Garrard is now a major donor to the Labour Party and has hosted LFI events. In 2005 Garrard was recommended for a peerage, however the Lord's Appointments Committee recommended against his appointment and that of three other Labour Party donors. The Metropolitan Police undertook an investigation as part of which, in May 2006, Garrard was interviewed under caution by the police. The Crown Prosecution Service ultimately determined that they lacked evidence to show that peerages had been awarded in exchange for donations.

LFI is one of the most influential groups in the Labour Party and is seen as a stepping-stone to the higher ranks of the Parliamentary Labour Party. During Operation Protective Edge, Murphy's website carried a statement on the fighting in Gaza. Although Murphy did criticize the comments of the Israeli interior minister (who stated that Israel would 'send Gaza back to the Middle Ages') he located the cause of the conflict, not in the illegal Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, but in the actions of Palestinian militants:"
JIM MURPHY'S 'GRIM RECORD'
"Putz!"
Don't know enough about Mr Hunt to know if your dscription of him is true, but his name is a delicious piece of Rhyming Slang
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 02:23 PM

"Jim Murphy"
Former chairman of the Labour Friends of Israel - passionately opposed to the boycott
Next
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: bobad
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 02:22 PM

"Israel was created as a Jewish homeland"

That's what Jew haters can't accept.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 02:17 PM

Spot on Greg. Keith, Greg was including under "idiots like you" those divisive Labour people who are deliberately undermining Corbyn and who have forgotten that they handed Cameron two elections on a plate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 01:51 PM

this is a huge red herring that has been perpetuated for many months by the tabloid press and idiots like yourself.

No, it has been reported by all the media including all the broadsheets and the broadcasters.
It has been "perpetuated" by the entire NEC, Sadiq Khan, 2 Labour enquiries one of which has caused even more contention, by Tristram Hunt who controversially thought it right that Israel was created as a Jewish homeland, a sentiment made reality by the United Nations, KEZIA Dugdale, the Scottish Labour leader, Jim Murphy the former Scottish Labour leader, and many others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: bobad
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 01:32 PM

extreme Zionism

Putz!


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 01:21 PM

This has been a huge issue for Labour for many months now.

Not so, Professor: this is a huge red herring that has been perpetuated for many months by the tabloid press and idiots like yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 01:16 PM

Whoops
Mustn't forget the link
LOVING ODE to ISRAEL
You really need to do your homework Keith
Thanks for yet another link to extreme Zionism - where shall I send the cheque?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 01:12 PM

"who even Jim can not link to the Israeli goverment!"
Beg pardon?
"Splits within the Labour party over the Palestinian question were laid bare last night as one of Ed Miliband's most senior frontbenchers invoked Winston Churchill in a passionate tribute to Israel.
Tristram Hunt, the shadow education secretary, praised the former prime minister's 1921 declaration that he had "full sympathy for Zionism". Speaking on a visit to Jerusalem while serving as colonial secretary, Churchill said that a Jewish national home in Palestine would be "a blessing to the whole world, a blessing to the Jewish race scattered all over the world and a blessing to Great Britain"."


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 12:51 PM

Hardly Greg,
This has been a huge issue for Labour for many months now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 12:51 PM

Would this be the same Tristram Hunt who resigned from labours front bench stating he had substantial political differences with Jeremy Corbyn?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 12:37 PM

Sounds like a a shturem in a gloz vaser to me, Professor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 12:26 PM

Some Labour Party discussion from a very prominent and long serving member, who even Jim can not link to the Israeli goverment!

"Labour has been infected by a "virus" of anti-Semitism, a former shadow cabinet minister has said.
Tristram Hunt said on Sunday evening that Jeremy Corbyn was "not doing enough" to tackle the problem."

"The Labour Party's relationship with the Jewish community is in real crisis and any hint of some kind of transactional deal with Shami and the leader's office will only sort of further distrust," he said. "We have a great history with the Jewish community in the UK and that is being put at risk"

"Shami had a real opportunity to deal with it and confront it and address it and that was a missed opportunity and we're still reaping the consequences of it."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-infected-with-anti-semitism-virus-says-former-shadow-cabinet-minister_uk_580dc39ee4b0fce107d12379


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 04:28 PM

Jim,
No Keith - your obsessively inhuman support for a regime

I support no regime Jim. More desperate lies to smear me.

arson attack, and then going on to support that filmed celebration by suggesting that it didn't happen,

I suggested that the video showed nothing but an impossible to recognise photo, which is the absolute truth.

Blaming "Jews" for the crimes of the establishment really doesn't help your case
Please deny this disgusting behaviour to give me a chance to link to it.


Of course I deny your ludicrous lies and smears.
No need to link. Anyone reading this thread will also be reading the other, but i is probably just us by now.

Keith's Jewish politicians are keeping this one close to their chests, aren't they

I can hardly believe that you said that Jim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: bobad
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 04:15 PM

Your delusional conspiracy theories suggest you are completely deranged Jim.

I've been saying that for a long time - it is clearly evident by now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 02:30 PM

Snd still we have no description of what particular brand of Antisemitism Labour is supposed to be guilty
Keith's Jewish politicians are keeping this one close to their chests, aren't they?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 01:52 PM

"Your delusional conspiracy theories suggest you are completely deranged Jim."
No Keith - your obsessively inhuman support for a regime that instigates hatred that leads to incidents like th celebrating of the death of a child who has been burned alive in an arson attack, and then going on to support that filmed celebration by suggesting that it didn't happen, sows a sickness of mind that is beyond belief.
Blaming "Jews" for the crimes of the establishment really doesn't help your case
Please deny this disgusting behaviour to give me a chance to link to it.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 01:44 PM

"Complete bollocks Jim! All the accusations came from within Labour."
Good old "bollocks" again and no response to the the masses of evidence oyu have been given - or all the Jewish members inside and outside Britain who have said excactly the same thing
Well - we know your antisemitic vies on Jews who don't toe the line - they get blamed for atrocities instigated by the regime.
"No Labour MP is sympathetic to the current Right Wing regime."
You have to be joking - you have had dozens of example of those who are - including your friend Smoothie Smeethiepoos, Chuka Umunna, Ed Balls and Y'vette Cooper
Jim Carroll

LABOUR JEWS ASSERT: The Labour Party does not have a 'problem with Jews'
We are witnessing a wave of orchestrated hysteria over claims that the Labour Party is rife with antisemitism and has a 'problem with Jews.' This is not true. Yes there is indeed a problem. The problem is that some people – Jewish and otherwise, inside and outside the party – use allegations of anti-Semitism as a stick to beat the Corbyn leadership, regardless of the damage caused.
Jeremy Corbyn and others have done their best to respond, rightly asserting their impeccable anti-racist credentials, treating specific allegations of antisemitism seriously, investigating them and taking appropriate measures. This is no more and no less than should happen with allegations of racism or discrimination of any kind.
But this has not satisfied those sections of the pro-Israel lobby orchestrating the attacks. They have targeted Malia Bouattia, the first Muslim woman to be elected president of the National Union of Students, on the thinnest of pretexts and despite her consistently principled stance. Another victim has been Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC) founder member and lifelong anti-racist Tony Greenstein, suspended from the Labour Party without even being informed of the charges against him. Now Naz Shah has been suspended on the basis of a few inappropriate social media posts, which she evidently regrets – swiftly followed by Ken Livingstone for having the temerity to defend her. (Regarding Shah's comments, read more here, and this background to Livingstone's comments on Zionism & Hitler)
Those who are making allegations of anti-Semitism are talking a different language. It is not anti-Semitism but anti-Zionism that is their concern. It is opposition to Israeli racism not anti-Jewish racism that concerns them.
This campaign of vilification is intended to undermine Labour's new leaders, because of their commendable record of supporting justice for Palestine. The wider aim is to crush support for the solidarity movement, which is working to achieve for Palestinians basic rights that are endorsed by international legal bodies.
As the Jewish Socialist Group has stated on its website: 'A very small number of such cases seem to be real instances of antisemitism. Others represent genuine criticism of Israeli policy and support for Palestinian rights, but expressed in clumsy and ambiguous language, which may unknowingly cross a line into antisemitism. Further cases are simply forthright expressions of support for Palestinian rights, which condemn Israeli government policy and aspects of Zionist ideology, and have nothing whatsoever to do with antisemitism.'                        

As Labour and Trade Union activists, we condemn this witch hunt and assert the right to campaign in solidarity with all oppressed people, including Palestinians. We: – Reiterate our strong commitment to combating all forms of racism and to defending those who are subjected to it. We actively oppose Islamophobia, prejudice against migrants and racism against ethnic and religious minorities, including anti-Jewish racism.
– Reject the suggestion that questioning the Zionist ideology of the Israeli state and its supporters – both Jews and non-Jews – entails antisemitic prejudice. On the contrary, campaigning to end the injustices inflicted by Israel on the Palestinian people is in the very best traditions of the British Labour movement.
– Urge the Labour Party establishment to listen to the many Jews who are outraged by the lie that Jews are not safe in the Labour Party;
cease victimising those who work for justice for Palestine;
adhere to fair practice and transparency when investigating charges against members;
call to order Labour Party members who bring the party into disrepute by spreading calumnies about widespread antisemitism in the party."
Jews & friends who say antizionism is NOT antisemitism

NO ANTISEMITIC PROBLEM


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 01:25 PM

Never mind "all you know." Try looking into it. You won't like what you find, but the process will help to make an honest man of you.


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