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BS: Theresa May's new year message

Jim Carroll 08 Jan 17 - 05:13 AM
Keith A of Hertford 08 Jan 17 - 04:44 AM
Keith A of Hertford 08 Jan 17 - 04:36 AM
Dave the Gnome 07 Jan 17 - 05:58 PM
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Steve Shaw 07 Jan 17 - 12:32 PM
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Jim Carroll 07 Jan 17 - 12:07 PM
akenaton 07 Jan 17 - 11:29 AM
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Jim Carroll 07 Jan 17 - 11:21 AM
Steve Shaw 07 Jan 17 - 10:38 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Jan 17 - 05:13 AM

"You have a scatter gun approach to links, posting whole lists of them in a single post."
And you have adopted a policy of ignoring them.
They all indicate that Farage and his little bunch of Kippers are a bunch of racist no-nothings, which is why you ignore them.
If you need me to do your work for you, you have no place here.
You've adopted this diversive tactic before - do your own ***** work
" It was true."
So where the ones I put up - it didn't stop you from dismissing them because they were of the left.
You accept fascist quotes as true and dsmiss those from the left as inadmissible - which, as I said, puts you where you are.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jan 17 - 04:44 AM

Steve,
You can't defend it like you do then tell us you're not a fan of UKIP. You are numero uno, Keith, and always have been. Unless you're just "putting their side of the story" of course.

I have not defended Ukip, nor put their side of the story.
I do not know what it is.

I just ask that you people substantiate all the claims you make against them.
You have made all the running on this with your accusations, claims and name calling.
When asked for evidence you become indignant and make accusations claims and name calling against the questioner.
You have failed to substantiate one single claim.
Why is that so hard for you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jan 17 - 04:36 AM

the only reason this atrocity described the organisation as extremist was that they resorted to violence - you said he didn't tell lies

I suspect it to be true. Hence they have decided not to bring a legal case.

You dismiss claims from Left publications but are happy to put up information from a fascist who supports right-wing paramilitaries.

They revealed the tweets that had been made. It was true.

Dave,
No, Keith. I have researched it and it is what I said.

Really? You have seen on my link the original image, and Huff. Post's explanation of it.
Please give details of your research because theirs would seem to contradict it.

Jim,
You have a scatter gun approach to links, posting whole lists of them in a single post.
I have no idea which of your dozens of links you are referring to. Please identify, one at a time, any link you want me to respond to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 05:58 PM

How are you sure Dave? Voices?

No, Keith. I have researched it and it is what I said.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 01:14 PM

"Please give an example Jim."
Respond to those links associating Farage and Ukip with the extreme right
"I did not. I know nothing about them Jim,"
Yes you do - the only reason this atrocity described the organisation as extremist was that they resorted to violence - you said he didn't tell lies
"Farage accused his organisation of using violence, and he is not known for making false claims."
You seem a complete stranger to truth Keith - you always have
"Yes. It included details of anti-Semitism you wanted."
You dismiss claims from Left publications but are happy to put up information from a fascist who supports right-wing paramilitaries.
Now - those links
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 01:01 PM

Steve,
You admit that the poster depicted non-EU migrants

There was never any question of it Steve.

So now tell me what they have to do with taking back control of our borders against EU migrants.

None.

you are a racist because you are making immigrants the scapegoat for issues that arise through deficient government policy.

Not true. The level of migration in recent years has been far too high for any government to provide for.

You can not build a medium sized city every year with all its homes, schools, hospitals and surgeries, and a limitless supply of non-unionised labour will inevitably depress wages whatever government does, and governments love it anyway because the are the biggest employers.

The standard racists' stock in trade is to blame the "tier below" the working classes for all our ills.

I do not argue with that.

Enoch Powell did it, the NF and BNP did it, Smethwick did it, "If you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote Labour." And UKIP do it today. Care to "put all their sides of the story" too, Keith?

No, and I think you are wrong to include UKIP in that list.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 12:36 PM

Jim,
Farage is a liar

Please give an example Jim.

you have offered no proof that this is an extremist group

I know nothing about them Jim, but Farage is not known for making claims he can not substantiate, and they do seem to have dropped the prosecution.

Farage claimned there was violence - you supported that

I did not. I know nothing about them Jim, but Farage is not known for making claims he can not substantiate, and they do seem to have dropped the prosecution.

You put up shit from Guido Fawkes

Yes. It included details of anti-Semitism you wanted.

Dave,
1. Whatever you deem it to be, Keith.

That would be none then Dave. How about you?

2. Yes.


How are you sure Dave? Voices?
I produced the original. So what if there was a white face? Was it a local police man as Huf Post says? So what?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 12:32 PM

Good, Keith. You admit that the poster depicted non-EU migrants. So now tell me what they have to do with taking back control of our borders against EU migrants. Tell me how leaving the EU, the aim of that poster campaign, is going to give us control over the entry of non-EU migrants. I suppose they couldn't find a picture of real EU migrants that had enough black faces in it. And you are a racist because you are making immigrants the scapegoat for issues that arise through deficient government policy. The standard racists' stock in trade is to blame the "tier below" the working classes for all our ills. Enoch Powell did it, the NF and BNP did it, Smethwick did it, "If you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote Labour." And UKIP do it today. Care to "put all their sides of the story" too, Keith?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 12:12 PM

What is the significance? Are you even sure of the fact?

1. Whatever you deem it to be, Keith.
2. Yes.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 12:07 PM

".and I said "truth","
How about backing your "truth" with some facts - all you have ever offered is extremist right-wing opinions.
Your arrogance is almost as beyond belief as hor extremist hate politics
"Please justify that claim."
When you've responded to the links I've put up associating yiour (I don't support" party
I'm getting pissed of with posting information which you either ignore or deny, then claim it hasn'r been put up
You really are something else you pair
"He is linked to Hope Not Hate, which Farage claims to be extremist."
Farage is a liar - you have offered no proof that this is an extremist group - I asked for proof that it was - you have provided none.
Farage claimned there was violence - you supported that - I asked for proof - you provided none
You put up shit from Guido Fawkes - an extremist right-wing supporter of the Contras, and expect it to be believed, yet you reject sites yyou claim to be left wing - puts your politics poretty well where they should be, doesn't it?
Now - those links to extremist groups???
You are a joke
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 11:29 AM

Jim, it's quite simple really, You asked what I thought you were frightened of....and I said "truth", for the reasons I gave in my post.

I did not provide the meaning of Paranoia to you as I presumed that you would be aware of it. How was I to know that you would have to look it up?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 11:24 AM

Jim,
Not what the evidence says, in fact it says exactly the opposite?
Please justify that claim.

Do you have any eidence that it is not true

Yes. It has never appeared on any actual news site or reputable publication.

smears that Brendan Cox is linkd to an extremist group,

He is linked to Hope Not Hate, which Farage claims to be extremist.
They raised a lot of money to fight that claim in court, but have just trousered the money and dropped the case. Why would they do that?

Steve, you can call me a racist, a radish, or any other silly name but you can not answer what I actually say.

The poster showed non-European migrants so you would not expect to see white faces.
You can see the original here. The man may be white. The Huff. Post says he is likely to be police or security anyway.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farages-eu-has-failed-us-all-poster-slammed-as-disgusting-by-nicola-sturgeon_uk_576288c0e4b08b9e3abdc483


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 11:21 AM

A few more to deny while your defending the smearing of Brendan Cox
EUROPEAN FAR RIGHT
UKIP CANDIDATES AND HATE GROUPS
TOP AIDE and HATE GROUPS
UKIP and HOLOCAUST DENIER
LINKS WITH FASCISM
RUSSIA
APPEAL to FAR RIGHT
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 10:38 AM

Getty Images own the photo. Ask them. UKIP chose to use it. Ask them.

The poster was used in the brexit campaign. The issue depicted in the poster had NOTHING to do with brexit. Stop being so dishonest. We would have issues with refugees/economic migrants regardless of our dealings with the EU. The image was used entirely inappropriately. The only control we would be able to "take back" would be regarding the movement of EU citizens. There were none of those in that photo. Get real, Keith.

"The negative effects, wage depression, housing crisis, high rents, over-subscribed schools, medical services, etc. fall on the working class and who gives a shit about them"

Every single one of these effects has been brought about by government policy and every single one of them could be controlled or rectified by the government. You are blaming immigrants for shitty government policy. You are a racist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 10:33 AM

"That is true Jim. The beneficiaries are employers, landlords and the Treasury."
Not what the evidence says, in fact it says exactly the opposite?
Do you have any evidence to contradict what has been put up?
Your own account is typical Ukip hate-garbage.
"Posted by "Black Triangle Campaign" on some extreme Left site."
Posted on several sites, but I suppose anything left of Attila the Hun is "extreme"
Do you have any eidence that it is not true - course you don't, otherwise you would have been there with one of your "real historians"
Interesting that you should be happy to defend smears that Brendan Cox is linkd to an extremist group, but up on your chair denying a suggestions of links to the leader you don't support being accused of the same thing though!!
Transparent as glass Keith - every time
Getting a bit bored with denials - how about a song or a joke!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 10:04 AM

Jim,
Economically, taking in immigrants has always proved a benefit to Britain

That is true Jim. The beneficiaries are employers, landlords and the Treasury.
The negative effects, wage depression, housing crisis, high rents, over-subscribed schools, medical services, etc. fall on the working class and who gives a shit about them?!
Certainly not our caring liberal left.

Dave,
. A statement of fact but you seem to have only quoted half of what I said. The remainder being , with the only prominent white person in the photograph obscured by a box of text.

What is the significance? Are you even sure of the fact?

The poster was intended to mislead

It was a genuine picture of a scene common on every news programme at the time.

The issue of controlling borders is entirely to do with the free movement of EU citizens coming to find work

Did you not even know that there was also a major issue of migrants entering Europe?? Look it up Steve. No wonder you seem so out of your depth on this!

Refugees or even "economic migrants" from outside the EU are already fully under our border controls

The whole crisis somehow passed you by Steve!

acknowledged that the poster depicted refugees, as does almost everyone else.

They were all young men. Refugees are displaced families. Where were the women and girls and old folk?

Jim,
FARAGE LINK to JO COX'S KILLER

Posted by "Black Triangle Campaign" on some extreme Left site.
Where do you dredge this stuff up from.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 09:10 AM

FARAGE LINK to JO COX'S KILLER
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 08:29 AM

"In one word Jim.....truth."
You belive "paranoi" to mean truth - my, my, you do need a dictionary.

"paranoia
ˌparəˈnɔɪə/Submit
noun
a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically worked into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality.
synonyms: persecution complex, delusions, obsession, megalomania, monomania; psychosis
unjustified suspicion and mistrust of other people.
"mild paranoia afflicts all prime ministers"
If what you say is true, why do you people never ling to it, and why do you continue to ignore what is put up?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 08:20 AM

"Joe, like Keith I am surprised that you think Mr Farage a lunatic"

Why? Joe at least seems like a person who actually gives some considered thought to his opinions and seems far less partisan than many here. I'd agree with his assessment. Farage is a man of great personal charisma and very little personal integrity; he sucks up to Murdoch and Dacre in the same manner those he professes to oppose did, he's well known for chasing celebrities and now has his own radio show on LBC... part of the very establishment he's fooled half a nation of gullible idiots into thinking he stands apart from but in reality is a part of.

Interesting that Farage's not inconsiderable ego has also eclipsed that of the laughably stupid fellow xenophobe Paul Nutgall, who despite being leader of the kippers can't get a look in as the media is so enthralled with Nasty Nigel, although one gets the impression they're waiting for him to balls up rather than say anything with any degree of insight or intelligence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 08:05 AM

Joe, like Keith I am surprised that you think Mr Farage a lunatic, he is a very able and exceedingly intelligent politician; perhaps it is his friendship with you nemesis Mr Trump, but if that is so surely you cannot be arrogant enough to believe all these millions of your fellow countrymen and women suffer from lunacy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 08:00 AM

"No Ake- can you give us your definition of "paranoia" and tell us what we're afraid of?"

In one word Jim.....truth.   Why? because it exposes your idiotic ideology and to people like you that is everything. Your raison d'etre as they say on the continent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 07:17 AM

"How can voting for a potential war criminal get any more righter?

Perhaps because there was more than one issue that was important at the time? Not everything New Labour did was tainted with the Red Tory attitude of the Blairites; the NHS thrived under New Labour and the tories are killing it now. We were better off with them in charge than we are with this bunch or right-wing, populist nasties.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 07:07 AM

Tory party millionaire donor has said he will cease his financial support of the Tory Party if May pulls Britain out of Europe - tee-hee.
"I voted Labour when Blair ran it."
How can voting for a potential war criminal get any more righter?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 07:07 AM

"A gap in the market." Ha ha. Ever thought of doing standup?

Typical response from Keith, filled with denial and disingenuousness. The poster was intended to mislead. If you can't see that there's no helping you. The issue of controlling borders is entirely to do with the free movement of EU citizens coming to find work. It has nothing whatsoever to do with refugees. The people in the queue all looked Middle Eastern and it's on record that they were not EU citizens looking for work. Refugees or even "economic migrants" from outside the EU are already fully under our border controls, nothing to do with the EU. By the way, even UKIP's only MP, the estimable Douglas Carswell, acknowledged that the poster depicted refugees, as does almost everyone else. You won't find any politicians of repute (if there are any) denying it. "Economic migrants" my arse. And what has the age of those depicted got to do with anything? That's just desperate. The poster was universally condemned. You can't defend it like you do then tell us you're not a fan of UKIP. You are numero uno, Keith, and always have been. Unless you're just "putting their side of the story" of course. Good luck with that! 😂😂😂

Teribus, do have your morning coffee and a couple of Anadin before you post. Or Rennies, I dunno.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 07:05 AM

The photograph used was of migrants crossing the Croatia-Slovenia border in 2015,

What is your objection?


No Objection. A statement of fact but you seem to have only quoted half of what I said. The remainder being , with the only prominent white person in the photograph obscured by a box of text.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 06:52 AM

"It is my considered opinion that Steve,Jim and DtG are paranoid."
It is my opinion that you are sorely in need of a dictionary.
You have laways had problems with "liberal" and "Socialist", now you have added "paranoid" to your list.
What exactly are we supposed to be Afraid Of?
It is you people who are the Xenophobes (those who fear and mistrust foreigners)
It is you who claim immigrants take British jobs and threaten our way of life.
FACTS ABOUT IMMIGRATION
MYTHS ABOUT IMMIGRATION
MORE MYTHS DEBUNKED
Britain, as a professed civilised country, Britain is morally obliged to take in refugees - not one of you Xenos has had the decency to acknowledge that, had Britain adopted the attitude of hatred and mistrust you people do, many more Jews would have perished in the Holocaust.
Economically, taking in immigrants has always proved a benefit to Britain - if multiculturalism hasn't worked it is the fault of the 'Little Englanders' like yourselves who spread your hate, fear and prejudice.
Until the shambles of Brexit, 'free movement' was a two-way street - we could go to Europe freely, just has they could come here - now after the shambolic Brexit fiasco, that has been blocked and as Britain has no industrial base any more and no prospect of getting one.... well!!!
No Ake- can you give us your definition of "paranoia" and tell us what we're afraid of?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 05:38 AM

It is not lunacy to question the value of being in the EU.
Neither is it "fringe." All our established parties had minorities who were anti-EU.

I am also "in the middle" politically. I voted Labour when Blair ran it. That centre ground is currently held by the Tories.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 05:34 AM

No Joe. I have always been anti-EU but no supporter of ukip.
but that Farage and UKIP fit into the "lunatic fringe."

I do not think they are lunatic fringe and would ask why you do.
Before UKIP all the established parties were pro EU. There was a gap in the market which they filled, and proved to be very popular.

It is not lunacy to question the value of being in the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 05:16 AM

So, Keith, does this mean that you are taking a stand in favor of Farage and UKIP? As an outside observer, it seems to me that Theresa May might be a relatively reasonable conservative, but that Farage and UKIP fit into the "lunatic fringe."

Here in the U.S., of course, we've gone straight to the "lunatic fringe" and elected him President.

People didn't use to go for the fringe like that. They used to think the fringe was reserved for the crazy people. I wonder what happened.

I'm still in the middle myself, but I'm old-fashioned.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 05:01 AM

The photograph used was of migrants crossing the Croatia-Slovenia border in 2015,

What is your objection?

What would you like to be linked to exactly - the racist poster, the rants about immigrants,

The poster was of non European migrants crossing EU borders, which was a legitimate issue and not racist.

What rants about immigration? UKIP does not oppose immigration but like every other party seeks to control it.

You have not made a case that the party's "actions and aims" are racist.
Can you?

Farage's smeary attacks on Jo Cox's widower,

It was a reply to an attack, and had no smears.

the fact that fear of foreigners is their only conceivable policy

That is not a policy at all.

the fact that Ukip is crawling with racists

Please name names Jim, but beware of legal action for lying.

All you have offered in return is a claim you don't support Ukip and denials of their policy

No. I have just asked you to justify your claims, but you can't.

Steve,
Keith. UKIP is a one-trick pony party with the single express aim of getting us out of the EU

Fair comment Steve. I agree.

All lies.

No. All issues of genuine concern, especially to the "Working class" you showed such sneering contempt for.

The poster depicted REFUGEES, mostly with dark skin.

They were all young men so economic migrants not refugees. Many would have been heading for UK via the Jungle.

The message of the poster was that we must get out of the EU unless we want to be swamped by hordes of people who look like Muslims

Only to you. To me it was highlighting the EU's incompetent handling of the issue.

Just defend one of the nastiest men the politics of this country has ever seen.

I am defending no-one, just asking you to justify your claims but you can't.

Dave, Yes, but he has not done anything wrong by Keith's standards, Steve. We are working to different rules,

None of you have established any wrong doing. Just calling him names won't do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 04:50 AM

Steve Shaw - 06 Jan 17 - 06:14 PM

"Ache, your "opinion" is neither considered nor of any worth."


As opposed to your "opinions" that are what Shaw? At least when Akenaton and Keith A proffer their opinions they substantiate them both logically and reasonably. You Shaw and your gang of "usual suspects" rely on myth, empty and disproven rhetoric and misrepresentation. The claim by DtG that Farage accused Brendan Cox of being an extremist is typical of such a misrepresentation, and you and all your baying sycophants jumped on the band-wagon to support him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jan 17 - 03:20 AM

"It is my considered opinion that Steve,Jim and DtG are paranoid."
Well, that'a a well reasoned argument giving plenty of food for thought
Can I have a little time to think about that?
Jeeze!!!!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 06:14 PM

Ache, your "opinion" is neither considered nor of any worth. Hope this helps.


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 05:38 PM

...and if reason fails, resort to abuse?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 05:06 PM

It is my considered opinion that Steve,Jim and DtG are paranoid. It is the only explanation for their crazy views.

What really goes on in the dark recesses of their brains.

Every party now agrees that uncontrolled immigration is wrong. I heard a discussion tonight from a panel containing Alan Johnston Anna Soubry, Mathew Elliott, Sean McAlister........all supported regulation of immigration after demonising the Leave Campaign for that very thing.

Get used to it, it's going to happen......"Free movement" is toast!


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 04:59 PM

Good luck with that, Dave. I lose. 🤓


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 04:30 PM

Yes, but he has not done anything wrong by Keith's standards, Steve. We are working to different rules, moralities and languages as far as I can ascertain so Keith is not being Stupid. Merely different. Perhaps you may do better at getting through than I did.

Good luck with that ;-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 02:15 PM

Just for once try not to be so bloody stupid, Keith. UKIP is a one-trick pony party with the single express aim of getting us out of the EU. Any argument will do and they are unscrupulously non-picky in the arguments they garner. Immigration is out of control. Foreigners are stealing our jobs. Foreigners drive wages down. Foreigners are living on benefits. Foreigners are taking over our towns, villages and shops. Muslim terrorists are hiding amongst foreigners coming over our borders. The EU is taking £350 million of what should be NHS money. All lies. Xenophobic soundbite arguments spiced with lies and exaggeration are the time-honoured way of duping working-class people into voting for you. The National Front tried it, the BNP tried it and UKIP Is making rather more of a success of it. You tell working people that all the problems of the country are caused by the people in the tier below you. Racism staring you in the face but Keith can't see it.

As for the poster, it said that we need to get out of the EU to take back control of our borders. But the photo didn't show any EU citizens exercising their right to come here. The poster depicted REFUGEES, mostly with dark skin. Looking Muslim. We have a policy of taking just 20,000 refugees over five years. That is nothing to do with the EU and it is TOTALLY under our control. The message of the poster was that we must get out of the EU unless we want to be swamped by hordes of people who look like Muslims. It was a false, racist message and Farage stood proudly in front of it. He knew exactly what he was doing. But, of course, Keith, doesn't see any of this. He simply wants to put "their side of the story." Ignore the lies, the immorality, the opportunism, the racism. Just defend one of the nastiest men the politics of this country has ever seen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 01:49 PM

CONSERVATIVE SPECTATOR
Anything other than denial yet
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 01:34 PM

"Care to share something you found that you object to?"
What would you like to be linked to exactly - the racist poster, the rants about immigrants, the "no Blacks, no dogs... analysis from the Telegraph, Farage's smeary attacks on Jo Cox's widower, the fact that fear of foreigners is their only conceivable policy, the rise in the attacks on immigrants following their efforts on Brexit, the fact that Ukip is crawling with racists ....!!!!!
All you have offered in return is a claim you don't support Ukip and denials of their policy
To request something you have been given several times is a sign of imbecility, but I'm sure that you aware of that as this is a regular thing of yours now
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 12:08 PM

The photograph used was of migrants crossing the Croatia-Slovenia border in 2015, with the only prominent white person in the photograph obscured by a box of text.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 11:52 AM

Jim,
"and there is no reason to assume that he is a racist."
Unless you actulally examine his party's actions and aims


Have you Jim?
Care to share something you found that you object to?

Steve,

Nigel Farage is a racist because he was the leader of a party which obsessively pursues an agenda predicated on xenophobia.


But it does not and never has Steve. Can you back your claim with any fact?
As always, no.

And he did stand proudly in front of a poster showing a long line of mostly black REFUGEES which was ostensibly about controlling the movement of EU citizens.

The poster showed a genuine picture of migrants waiting to enter Europe so they were non-Europeans, but not black actually.
Once in they can indeed move freely between countries. That was a serious issue in the Brexit debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 10:08 AM

I know your position Ake and the fact that you don't respond to what I say only confirms that you have no argument
You may describe them as "insulting rants" but it is noticeable that you you neither deny them nor attempt to explain them.
Did you not defend the forcing of refugees to wear armbands long after the government and the press had deemed them dangerous - a simple yes or no will do?
I've put your doing so up several times so there's no question that this is your position.
Your serial homophobia is legendary.
Personally, I regard attacks on refugees from wars we have helped to start pretty disgusting and racist.
Dave
I put this pu some time ago - it would appear that people here would rather defend Farage's racism.
Try again
Back to sanity
Britain's ambassador to the U.N., Ivan Rogers, has resigned from his job, leaving Brexit in total chaos - he accuses May of being a "control freak".
According to Rogers, while the other European ministers are ferreting away, preparing to get rid of the British cuckoo in the nest, there is no longer a British voice in those negotiations.
Brexit appears to have moved from a 'little Britain' sit-com to a Whitehall farce.
Whence Brexit now?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 09:28 AM

Nigel Farage is a racist because he was the leader of a party which obsessively pursues an agenda predicated on xenophobia. This is a populist stance designed to win votes at all costs. Misrepresentations (downright lies if you like) about the cost of the EU, foreigners taking our jobs, foreigners forcing down wages, foreigners living on benefits and Muslim terrorists hiding among immigrants, etc., are all grist to his mill. He picked up millions of votes by targeting working-class people with these simplistic, fearmongering lies. That is the time-honoured racist way, persuading working people that all the problems of the country are caused by the people in the next tier down from them. And he did stand proudly in front of a poster showing a long line of mostly black REFUGEES which was ostensibly about controlling the movement of EU citizens. I suppose you think he did that by accident.


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 08:23 AM

Jim, the fact that I don't respond to much of your insulting rants, doesn't mean that I accept them.
I have taken the time to explain my position of uncontrolled immigration and homosexual "marriage" on several occasions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 08:23 AM

The discussion was originally intended to be about whether the Tory party have begun to see sense but it does seem to have developed along the usual lines.

Sadly

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 08:19 AM

"and there is no reason to assume that he is a racist."
Unless you actulally examine his party's actions and aims
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 08:14 AM

Allan, there are "racists" in every party...including our own, I often hear "these English bastards" from SNP supporters.
I know they are in a minority, but there is also the sectarian element, so I suppose we shouldn't throw stones.
Anyway the discussion was about the response of m=Mr Farage personally and there is no reason to assume that he is a racist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 08:10 AM

Wise words, in my opinion, from Nick Lowles of Hope not Hate. It is in the Guardian again so I would advise those of us not in the sandal wearing hippy mold to avoid it...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Therasa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jan 17 - 05:32 AM

"Ne'er the twain..."
Well said Dave - really not worth the reply
How can you argue with a non-Ukip supporter who put in so much effort supporting them - especially sickos who denigrate the bereaved?
Schizophrenia rules OK OK
Jim Carroll


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