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punkfolkrocker 12 Jan 17 - 11:59 PM
punkfolkrocker 12 Jan 17 - 11:50 PM
Backwoodsman 12 Jan 17 - 11:12 PM
Big Al Whittle 12 Jan 17 - 11:06 PM
Backwoodsman 12 Jan 17 - 10:51 PM
Good Soldier Schweik 12 Jan 17 - 06:43 PM
GUEST,Morris-ey 12 Jan 17 - 06:19 PM
Good Soldier Schweik 12 Jan 17 - 05:20 PM
David Carter (UK) 12 Jan 17 - 03:30 PM
GUEST,pauperback 12 Jan 17 - 02:58 PM
punkfolkrocker 12 Jan 17 - 02:50 PM
Steve Shaw 12 Jan 17 - 02:47 PM
Senoufou 12 Jan 17 - 02:07 PM
punkfolkrocker 12 Jan 17 - 12:37 PM
GUEST 12 Jan 17 - 12:20 PM
Big Al Whittle 12 Jan 17 - 11:13 AM
punkfolkrocker 12 Jan 17 - 09:49 AM
GUEST,Jon 12 Jan 17 - 09:36 AM
GUEST,Jon 12 Jan 17 - 09:31 AM
Good Soldier Schweik 12 Jan 17 - 09:25 AM
punkfolkrocker 12 Jan 17 - 09:22 AM
Keith A of Hertford 12 Jan 17 - 09:14 AM
Good Soldier Schweik 12 Jan 17 - 09:12 AM
Good Soldier Schweik 12 Jan 17 - 08:18 AM
Manitas_at_home 12 Jan 17 - 07:38 AM
Howard Jones 12 Jan 17 - 03:59 AM
punkfolkrocker 11 Jan 17 - 09:18 PM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 17 - 07:32 PM
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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jan 17 - 12:05 AM

PFR - I was merely pointing out that not all Yellowbellies are 'Yokels', that some (in fact, many) are well educated, cosmopolitan individuals who have made a substantial impact on the history of this country and the world at large. That's all.

The colour of their skin is immaterial in this context.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 11:59 PM

..yeah.. and I just woke up on the sofa after nodding off watching TV 6 and a half hours ago..

just in time to put the bins out...


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 11:50 PM

Backwoodsman - but how many of them are black or asian...???

I think this is more to the point that Morris-ey alludes to,
rather than the sarcastic way he expressed it.
Which is what Dick, and maybe yourself, are taking knee jerk exception to. ?

Please don't distract from the very valid point that provincial rural areas of UK
like Lincoln, Scrumpyshire [where I abode], Shropshire, etc are not as multi ethnically diverse or enlightened, as the great metropolis Cities...

I live in big town in my county which is becoming more multi cultural.
But only a few miles down the road are villages still predominantly white, insular, and very conservative.

However my more modern town is still festering with open resentments and blatant racism from older indigenous residents,
and the younger undereducated...

I look up to Bristol [where I was educated in the 80s] as a true multi cultural society,
yet still with it's own problems and pockets of racists.
Where I'd be fairly certain that blackface morris would be met by protesters...
whether they be white middle class students, black and / or asian activists , lefties, liberals, christians, muslims, or whatever variations and collectives..

All unified in solidarity by the shared common aim of standing up to xenophobic provocations from the nastier element of UKIP & Brexiteers
smugly revelling in victory and a new wave of hostility towards 'immigrants' and any 'alien' cultural values deemed non 'British'...

At this difficult time, blackface morris cannot be so naive, stubborn, or insensitive..
especially when transplanting their 'traditional' practices to modern city centres.....



Btw.. our local morris don't black up. and are none the less dedicated or enjoyable for lack of courting controversy...


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 11:12 PM

Mornin' Al - insomnia got to you too? 😎😄

Yes, you're right, but I was trying to maintain my usual aura of unassuming modesty!


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 11:06 PM

be fair John...there's us two, as well


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 10:51 PM

Alfred Lord Tennyson, former Poet Laureate.
William Rose, designer of the world's first mechanical wrapping machinery.
Sir Halford Mackinder, 'The Father of Modern Geography'.
Sir John Franklin, Arctic explorer.
Dame Sybil Thorndike, celebrated actor.
Sir Isaac Newton, scientist and discoverer of gravity.
John Wesley, founder of The Methodist Church.
Matthew Flinders, mariner, cartographer, and first circumnavigator of Australia.
Sir Joseph Banks, naturalist and botanist.
Margaret Thatcher, politician and former Prime Minister.

Yokels?


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 06:43 PM

"Whatever, as I said before, we live in a multi-cultural society in 2017 and if Border want to continue the "disguise" conceit then they need to recognise the obvious, even if mistaken, sensitivities of a multi-cultural society.

What plays well in yokel Lincolnshire won't get quite the same reception in London."
1.So you inSult the people of LINCS, calling them yokels. 2 TheMorris RING seem to have come out in favour of the tradition, they have a picture on their website of blacked up welsh border morris.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: GUEST,Morris-ey
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 06:19 PM

Howard Jones and GSS:

Almost no one, in the real world, knows what the EFDSS is. So any statement from them on this issue would have no impact.

Also, the EFDSS is not going to come out in favour or otherwise of a tradition that has no cogent evidence to support its assertions as to blackface.

Whatever, as I said before, we live in a multi-cultural society in 2017 and if Border want to continue the "disguise" conceit then they need to recognise the obvious, even if mistaken, sensitivities of a multi-cultural society.

What plays well in yokel Lincolnshire won't get quite the same reception in London.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 05:20 PM

i notice the morris ring have a picture on their website of a blacked up border morris side.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 03:30 PM

Michael Fabricant - main claim to fame is that he is the only person in the entire world with more ridiculous hair than Trump. Also there was that thing with llamas.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 02:58 PM

Sounds like a MDE (media driven event)
Create the prob, sell you the solution


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 02:50 PM

Senoufou - with you on that...

I've never been been in accord with activists, whatever their politics - left or right -
who launch into a default mode charade of outrage and offence
just for the principle of it...

.. and even more wary of over sensitive sanctimonious folks who actually do get their knickers in an almighty twist
over the slightest petty offence... 😣

It's to be expected of student militants.. you'd hope they'd mature out of it eventually..

But far too many 'important' politicians regularly make high and mighty prats of themselves on news reports and interviews....

..For me, it should all about real substantial priorities, and perspective...


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 02:47 PM

Well done Keith for dredging up two of the biggest Tory twats in the country, Fabricant and Javid, in support of your cause. Any bets on who he'll dig up for no 3, folks?


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 02:07 PM

I've just been talking about this thread with my African husband, and telling him what's being said. His view (I've posted about this before on the other thread on the subject) is that when he looks at blacked-up Morris dancers, the very last thing he would think they were impersonating is black people. They look nothing like any African on this Earth.
The first time he saw the phenomenon was at Whittlesea Straw Bear many years ago, and he was astonished to say the least. His first thought (he said afterwards) was,"What the hell are these crazy British people getting up to now? They're all mad!" (Not "How disgraceful, they're poking fun at black people!"
He's sat beside three Old Glory men (they use very black make-up indeed) and laughed, pointing out to them that if he danced with them, at least he wouldn't need any make-up. He finds the very idea of 'being offended' ridiculous. He also says that the 'objectors' are deliberately stirring up trouble for their own ends, and NOT because they're offended at all.
I just thought his views might be of interest here.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 12:37 PM

What if most UK citizens, whatever their colour, couldn't give a monkey's about the antics of a bunch of aging white blokes
skipping about in feathers and boot polish...???

What if a vociferous minority of political agenda driven zealots are exploiting morris
as a vehicle for stirring up media attention and racial disharmony...??? 😣


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 12:20 PM

What if any distress were caused as a result of people being told, as if it were fact, that the practice was disrespectful to black people?


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 11:13 AM

has any official body said that it does cause distress and asked the morris teams to desist.

if there is genuine distress being caused, then in my my mind there is no question. the tradition should go.

as Jim said there was the same thing about wife beating and feminists. husband beating doesn't seem to get them so fired up. in a way - this was sort of overdue . The Stones had been getting grief about Under My Thumb, and Midnight Rambler since the 1960's.

its not without precedent. The Wee Cooper of Fife doesn't get many outings these days, neither do Robert Johnsons blues about giving his old lady what for.
As community and a movement we have dropped songs and practices before.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 09:49 AM

ID imposter fun and games - ignore GUEST punkfolkrocker...


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 09:36 AM

Guess they need shooting GSS? ;-)


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 09:31 AM

From Chambers (who as well as the books provide one of the most useful apps on my Androids):

Fabricant - noun (archaic) A manufacturer


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 09:25 AM

the EFDSS not only miss an opportunity to lead decisively, they miss an opportunity to get national publicity, likewise the morris federations, all of them too busy pussyfooting in the style of beaux of london city


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 09:22 AM

Fabricant..??? sounds like some kind of sci fi synthetic clone / android..

Looking at his photo, and the fact he is a tory... hmmm... perhaps he is...??? 😜


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 09:14 AM

Another local MP defends the Morris.
Michael Fabricant, MP for Lichfield,
"I'm a Morris dancer, I did it in Litchfield where there's a great tradition, there's absolutely no intention whatsoever to make out that you are a black person."


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 09:12 AM

I would like to see EFDSS taking their responsibilties seriously and giving a clear and unequivocal lead one way or the other


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 08:18 AM

no, it is not, it is sitting on the fence, and you have made an assumption on my view of the subject.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 07:38 AM

Dick, the EFDSS is giving a lead on this subject - just not the one you want.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Howard Jones
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 03:59 AM

Morris-ey, are you seriously suggesting that the English Folk Dance and Song Society should not have a view on what is probably the most popular, and certainly the most visible, form of English Folk Dance? Or that its opinion shouldn't carry weight?

I know perfectly well what "nuanced" means, and I'm disappointed the EFDSS couldn't have made a statement which acknowledges the many shades of opinion on this topic. Even if it felt unable to defend the tradition, as I personally would have hoped, it could at least have done more to explain that, whatever the controversy over its possible origins, in the modern revival blacking up has no racist intent. Instead we get a statement which can be summarised as "this looks dodgy, we want nothing to do with it". I would have expected something more from an organisation which in its own words was originally established with the aim of saving and celebrating England's traditional folk songs and dances. However it now appears to have abandoned this and has become an arts organisation - with some success, admittedly, but increasingly irrelevant to many.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 09:18 PM

While we are mucking about with variations on the letters PC...

That UKIP ranting GUEST [Date: 11 Jan 17 - 07:31 PM]...

Primitive Cunt... 😜


In the same way he'd force immigrants on a boat or plane to back where ever they came from..

I'd suggest shoving him in a time machine and effin him off back to the 18th Century....

BTW.. thanks so much for proving my earlier point about the types of folk infesting British Folk Music...


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 07:32 PM

Ah, the voice of reason. 😂😂😂


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 07:31 PM

Why is everyone pondering to political correctness here, this is traditional BRITISH folk let those fuckers protesting and complaining go fuck themselves.

Britain needs to reclaim it's culture, voting UKIP is a positive start folks.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 07:26 PM

That thought went through my mind too.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: GUEST,ripov
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 07:19 PM

Not sure how to put this without upsetting someone, but - is it not strange that "Asians" (not 'black') were upset, and not Africans, in such a multicultural city?


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: GUEST,Morris-ey
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 06:01 PM

The EDFSS is as much an authority on modern Morris as the RSPCA. Also you don't seem know what "nuanced" means.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 05:20 PM

All of them should be giving a lead including EFDSS, Morris a form of Folk Dance, or perhaps it isnt in Hull?


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 04:31 PM

EFDSS is not the recognised institution when it comes to morris. There is The Morris Ring and there are other morris federations.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 03:25 PM

The EFDSS should to be authorititave on this matter, the statement on their website is wishy washy, they should come down on one side or the other.
my old friend Howard Jones has hit the nail on the head.
"I am also disappointed that the EFDSS couldn't have taken a more nuanced approach and been more supportive. However it is now a branch of the Arts Industry rather than an organisation which supports folk traditions so its position on this is unsurprising."


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: GUEST,Guest Tim
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 03:17 PM

My wife just asked, do these Morris Dancers have 10 inch shafts in keeping with political correctness. lol


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 02:19 PM

i suppose it would be nice to get a definitive answer from an expert[...]

Your joking I hope, Mr Red. I seem to live in a world of alternative truths, one where alignment with ideals yields the truth and (if my memory re Brexit is correct) one where experts may not be needed...

back to topic... I'm not sure where I stand on this. I did very briefly belong to a Border Side (before deciding tunes were my real interest and favouring Irish sessions...) and never (and I guess still don't) saw anything sinister in people blacking up.

On the other hand, I guess it might offend some and the suggestion of woad seems reasonable and is probably the route I'd prefer.

(And if I ever returned to this stick bashing myself, I guess I could wear it despite the risks of being considered a pagan, or worse, a Tory...)


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 01:57 PM

Certainly in Croydon, which is one of the most multicultural areas in the UK, so much so that you could probably hear anything up to 20 different worldwide languages within the space of 5 minutes' walking through the centre, to say nothing of the the many badly spoken local English accents - there are certain culprits who delight in jumping on anything as "racist" !!!


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Andrew Wigglesworth
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 11:49 AM

From: Big Al Whittle ... "i'm sorry Jim theres such a predictability about the Wrigglesworth post that that PC could stand for pathetically childish."

Sorry Al, I genuinely haven't a clue what you're trying to say there (it's "Wigglesworth" btw).

From: Howard Jones ... "I am also disappointed that the EFDSS couldn't have taken a more nuanced approach and been more supportive. However it is now a branch of the Arts Industry rather than an organisation which supports folk traditions so its position on this is unsurprising."

I think there is some truth in those words, and I'm also rather disappointed but unsurprised.

Jim Carroll ... I have a great deal of sympathy for what you're saying, or, rather, I can see the point that you're getting at and it is a reasonable contribution. Personally, putting on a disguise in the form of makeup, whilst dressed and dancing as a Morris dancer does not come anywhere near blood sports or Lancashire Granny Hurling (it does sound like a Bill Tidy thing). The "moral outrage" shown by some organisations who seem to want sensationalist publicity I would put almost on a level with tabloid journalists who want sensationalist headlines. Morris dancing gets little enough support in the media (none, or ridicule/disdain usually in, say, popular TV) that I find it quite distressing to find it in the middle of such a febrile debate with many characterising it in openly prejudiced or even offensive language.

Despite some of the silly words written here about conspiracies led Morris dancers and parts of a right-wing establishment, Morris is not is a strong position. There are no paid lobbyists, no real political mileage for supporting it, lots of scope for attacking what's seen as a soft easy target. Any "support" on this issue from the likes of the Daily Mail I would shun. It's a classic example of a political debate being held on entirely enemy ground.

Morris dancing may lose this one, it'll continue to exist, but the position of racism in our society will not have shifted one iota. If "politically correct" simply means the use of the "correct" language and the "correct" outwards appearances whilst not challenging and in fact maintaining exploitative economic systems ... then I will maintain a right to criticise those who profess it in that way.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 10:52 AM

publicity for morris dancing, anyhow


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 10:42 AM

"Jim - you may attach no value to dancing in a way that this blokes grandfather and great grandfather danced,"
I do Al - honestly.
I said at the beginning that I have no real problems with blacking up in regards to Morris, (some of by friends have been Morris Dancers, but I wouldn't like one to marry my sister (joke!!)
I think we should be aware of the possibility of giving offence and avoid them were possible - there really are ways around it rather than stating "it's our tradition, so there!!".
If we're honest, many of these customs are revivals rather than part of a continuum, so where's the harm in adapting them to meet changing times?
I have little tome for strident demonstrations against these practices, I just say that, in the present circumstances, I understand where some of them are coming from.
"Tradition" has been used to cover a multitude of sins in the past - dog-fighting, kicking matches bear baiting, cock-fighting..... and don't get me started about that 'killing for pleasure' foxhunting mob!
I can't remember the cartoonist (maybe it was Bill Tidy) who summed the whole thing up with his Lancashire 'Grannie Hurling' Olymics'.
I have to say, I was one who protested loudly when feminists took offence at many of our folk songs - there was a way around that one too.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: GUEST,Guest Tim
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 10:25 AM

You may be interested, this made Jeremy Vine this lunchtime...


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 10:12 AM

I see sponsorship etc...

Not sure of your point, Al. There are some traditions that are worth keeping and some that are lousy and deserve to be done away with. In my opinion of course.

DtG


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 10:01 AM

i'm sorry Jim theres such a predictability about the Wrigglesworth post that that PC could stand for pathetically childish.

i can sympathise with the requests for a more nuanced approach. if your group have been doing their dances that way for over a hundred years - it must feel like a tradition.

i remember when i was a kid at grammar school this kid came from America, and he said to us - how come you guys don't have any traditions? our school in america had loads of traditions.
upon talking to him - it turned out his American school only dated back to the 1930's. but this kid thought the traditions were big deal.
our grammar school in Boston dated back to Henry VIII, and there was a tower in the grounds belonging to Lord Hussey whom Henry had decapitated. yet somehow wehad less traditions...what i'm saying is Jim - you may attach no value to dancing in a way that this blokes grandfather and great grandfather danced, because you suspect it was racist in origin. but why is your suspicion more valuable than these blokes traditions.

anyway. i sort of agree if it DOES cause distress, we shouldn't indulge in a traditional practice.

but i wouldn't give an inch to the Dave spart/Wolfie mouthie gits that you traditionally line up with. its a lousy tradition. it causes me distress. i wish you would stop.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 10:01 AM

One of the dancers has reported the incident to the police as harassment and abuse. Maybe it is cynical of me but I sponsorship by the Daily Mail in the offing...

DtG


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 09:16 AM

The obvious point that may need re-emphasising is that whilst black face morris might not in itself be inherently racist,
what really matters is how individuals within morris sides may be exploiting that traditional folk art
to further their own personal agendas of petty minded xenophobia and intolerance...???

In this particular instance in Brum city centre I have my suspicions...

Naturally, any stage managed protests by the activists accused of abusing the poor misunderstood black face morris side,
are playing straight into the hands of right wing press media
who can manipulate and discredit any progressive voices of resistance and multicultural solidarity to appear as PC gone mad... 😣


Btw... Citizen Smith was a popular sit com of stereotypes that could raise a good laugh
from all sides of the political divide.. even if the writers may have been more biased towards an establishment viewpoint...???

Classic British TV of it's era !!!


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 09:10 AM

I tend never to take Tory buffoons seriously, Dick.


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 08:42 AM

Steve, no.He is Asian and he does not find it offensive, his views on anything else are not relevant,
we need to be fighting racism, for example people being abused because of their colour or segregated because of their colour, or refused jobs because they are irish or if they are romanian hearing that Farage would be uncomforetable with them as neighbours.
Farage lives in Downe in kent a village, where i used to live in the 1950s and 1960s, there is still hardly any, if any black people living there it is white wealthy and middle class with expensive property prices


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Subject: RE: blacked up morris dancers abused in uk
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 06:24 AM

Sajid Javid has never, in my experience, ever opened his mouth and uttered anything even remotely sensible on any topic, I think we can safely let that one go, Keith. 😂


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