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BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Steve Shaw 09 Mar 17 - 07:05 AM
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bobad 09 Mar 17 - 07:02 AM
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Jim Carroll 09 Mar 17 - 06:15 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 07:05 AM

Hello, boobs!

Is it OK if I call you "boobs?" After all, there did used to be a pair of you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 07:03 AM

I SAT on the cheesecloth to soak up the bumsweat on warm days. Those plasticated saddles were deadly when moist. Brake hard and you could slip forward a foot and do yourself a nasty. Mind you, my brakes were busted so it couldn't happen to me. I regarded having no brakes as an essential safety feature.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 07:02 AM

I note that you still deny, or are unable to recognise the anti-Semitism reported.

Of course they have to deny it Keith otherwise they would be admitting to their own.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 06:58 AM

Or should that be freckled spit rant?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 06:55 AM

Bet you used to pedal it in your sandals as well. And naming it PC is typical of your bearded, guardian reading ilk as well. Bet it was not PC before you "liberals" came along.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 06:54 AM

Did you wear sandals and cheesecloth when you rode it.

The public DEMAND an answer !!! Feckle, spit rant, feckle, spit, rant !!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 06:48 AM

"I note that you still deny, or are unable to recognise the anti-Semitism reported."

Oh, you "note," do you? Well, it would take me all day to regale you with the things I've "noted" about you. I'm bored over/with/about/of you, Keith. Yawnyawnyawnyawnyawn. Please force me to lose as quickly as possible.

I reckon mine was called a Honda 50PC or PC50, Dave. Are you making a baseless, spittle-flecked assertion that it wasn't a moped, Dave? Typical liberal-elitist, leftie, blame-it-all-on-Maggie-Thatcher UKIP lie, Dave!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 06:15 AM

"If that is true, quote the "dishonesty.""
You didn't link your Labour quote which missed the point of the article
Teribus does it regularly - his unlinked quote on Labour's "support" for nuclear weapons was totally contradicted by what the article actually said
You are both invererate liars - the major examples of yours are in denying what you have said and what you believe. said
Your quoting of the marriage of Mohammed a thousand years ago in an argument about Muslim criminals was a deliberate attempt to link those crimes with the Muslim religion   
You are a racist sicko in the extreme
So three possibes in a party of half a million make a serious problem - never mind what other people say
How can that be vaguely possible
Are they accusing Jews of blood sacrifice?
You are a feckin' eejit
Nobody has ever at any time said there is a serious problem, apart from those with a political axe to grind
What they said that any accusation has to be treated seriously - it has, and so far, no serious problem haes been uncovered and until that so-called antisemitism is described and enumerated, it never will be.
It is all in your tiny right-wing skull
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 06:15 AM

Bless my soul, never seen one of those before.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 06:07 AM

So, Keith, you never have to give links to the Guardian for the forum because Steve takes the Guardian. My, I AM flattered!

I stated it was from "yesterday's Guardian" and quoted the text.
That is why I thought a link unnecessary, but now you have it anyway.

I note that you still deny, or are unable to recognise the anti-Semitism reported.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 05:45 AM

Yay - found one!

Still wrong though. Most NORMAL people would call this pedal free version a Honda 50. You lose...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 05:27 AM

Hey Dave, my machine was called a Honda 50 and it had pedals. Not that anyone other then Hercules unchained could have pedalled it anywhere!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 05:24 AM

So, Keith, you never have to give links to the Guardian for the forum because Steve takes the Guardian. My, I AM flattered! 😂

Woke up to dense fog this morning but, contrary to the forecast last night, the sun's burned it off in the last twenty minutes. Drove to Truro and back yesterday, over a hundred miles, in thick fog and drizzle. It boggles the eyes. Glorious mud abounds but it's warm. Spring!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 04:49 AM

Jim, your "ongoing" link does not link to anything relevant to your claims.


Both you and Teribus are regular mis - and out of context quoters - the two of you have not long given us an example of your dishonesty


If that is true, quote the "dishonesty."

You have just accused me of not linking to your on thousand year old smearing of the Muslim Culture.

Another of your nasty, smearing lies.
I have never, ever said anything critical of any religion, unlike every member of your little gang.

Or will you produce a quote of me doing it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 04:43 AM

"That should be enough for anyone, or you could just google a bit of the text."
Both you and Teribus are regular mis - and out of context quoters - the two of you have not long given us an example of your dishonesty
You have just accused me of not linking to your on thousand year old smearing of the Muslim Culture.
You seem to demand of others what you are not prepared to offer yourself
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 04:39 AM

Jim,

Nobody has ever argued that there are no antisemites in Labour - three maybes don't make a "serious problem" by anybody's calculations.


It clearly does Jim because numerous Labour people including the NEC and leadership all agree that it is a serious problem, and as we have just read in the Guardian it is not finished yet!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 04:34 AM

Steve,
what you should have done and give us the link so that we can read it for ourselves.

I thought you took the Guardian.
I stated it was from, "Guardian yesterday,"

That should be enough for anyone, or you could just google a bit of the text.

As you clearly need to be spoon fed, https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/07/labour-members-may-be-expelled-over-claims-of-antisemitism-and-bullying


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 04:17 AM

Whoops - wrong button!
We know that the Tories were accused of islamophobia a year ago and that those accusations are ONGOING
Nothing from you - nothing from the Toriss
And you say you are not badmouthing Labour!!!
My arse, you're not.
If your concern for the vicims of racism and bigotry, you wouls speak out on behalf of all of them -
Instead, you are an extreme bigot using three "may be" incidents to denigrate a party set up and dedicated to opposing racism and bigotry.
Both dishonest and extremely hypocritical
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 04:09 AM

"Bollocks Jim!"
No Keith
You have alleged a "serious problem" throughout this thread and come up with three members out of a Party of over half a million "may be expelled"
Oh calamity!!!
Nobody has ever argued that there are no antisemites in Labour - three maybes don't make a "serious problem" by anybody's calculations.
Let's see what they "may be" expelled for and see how serious their antisemitism is, but you have a massive mountain to climb before you come up with a "serious problem
I'm no sure exactly how accusing somebody of "working hand in hand with the media" can be construed as either antisemitism or bullying (politicians do it all the time), but let's see, shall we.
We know that bullying has been a issue with the Tory Party, even to the poing od DRIVING SOMEBODY TO KILLING HIMSELF
No Outrage and accusation from you there.
We know that RACISM HAS BEEN AN ISSUE in the Tory Party for some time now - no enquiry - no howls of protest from you
We know that ZAC GOLDSMITH ran an Islamophobic campaign against Sadiq Khhan during the London Mayoral Electyion
No protest from you, no enquiry by the Tories.
We know that the Tories were accused of islamophobia a year ago and that those accusations are


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 03:42 AM

Wrong thread Dave, Akenaton posted on another thread that the Honda 50 was a Moped.

In various guises over 87 million have been produced since 1958.

87 MILLION !!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 03:24 AM

Pedant alert. The Honda 50 was not a moped.

Strictly speaking, mopeds are driven by both an engine and by bicycle pedals, but in common usage and in many jurisdictions the term moped is used for similar vehicles including a scooter, though this is quite erroneous

Just thought you would like to be corrected on such an important point of trivia :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 05:11 PM

I had a Honda 50 moped in the early 70s. Used to commute on it between Dudley, Tipton and Wolverhampton when I was at teacher training college. Didn't need a crash helmet in those days so I zoomed along on the thing, hair flowing behind, breeze in beard, looking like Jesus. No tax, no insurance, optional brakes. Jaysus, I loved it, except when the soddin' exhaust valve burned, which was approximately once a month. Happy days!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:50 PM

According to Christy Moore his Honda 50 would do a 150 on a windy day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:31 PM

Honda 50s had a very strange 'undocumented feature'. If you advanced the timing as far as it would go it pushed the top speed up to about 60. Ran like a crock of shit at the low end but the top speed was improved greatly. Just the sort of trivia that should be in a folk music forum :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:22 PM

Me and a mate bought a Honda 50 for £4 in 1969, £2 each. We used to go to school on it.

The only hiccup really is that we were only 14 at the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:00 PM

At one time I had 2 V reg Hondas. One was a 1.5is (No nothing to do with ISIS before anyone starts) vtec Civic with a V at the beginning and the other was a 500CX custom with a V at the end. I hadn't planned it that way - Honest! I did the route as sung in Mr Fox's 'The Gypsy' on the bike and enjoyed it immensely.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 02:51 PM

Marc Wadsworth, a party activist who, at the launch of a report into Labour and antisemitism, challenged Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth that she was working "hand in hand" with the media."

Well, Keith, you could have helped the Guardian out a little by adding that Marc Wadsworth has been a prominent Labour campaigner for equal rights and against all forms of discrimination for decades, including fighting antisemitism, that he didn't know that Smeeth was a Jew and that Smeeth put on a deliberate act of histrionics, including fake tears, at the launch. Nothing like the "truth," the part-truth and nothing but the part-truth for misprepresenting, eh, Keith? And before you start bleating that it was the Guardian wot done it, do what you should have done and give us the link so that we can read it for ourselves. Not that you can't be trusted, of course...😂

Sorry to get serious again, folks, but there are things that really shouldn't be let pass. Now back to bikes!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 01:18 PM

"What a great pity it is Jim that you and your pals just don't heed your own advice."
I am quite happy to hang around to see yo two squirmingly humiliate yourself
"President Trump and Mr Farage are both anti the current establishment, "
They most certainly are not
The establisment is based on support for the haves at the expense of the lesser well of
It is utter nonsense that this is what these pair stand for
The are using the discontent of ordinary people and challenging it away from those who are to blame for the state of Britain today - divide and rule is a classic tactic of the stablishment
While we are blaming the less fortunate - in this case, immigrants and refugees, Trump and his billionaire friends are laughing all the way to the bank
Utter madness to suggest that either of these fascists are in any way beneficial to Britain or America.
The real beneficiaries are scum like LePen and Wilders, who are likely to push the world even nearer another holocaust, if they have their way
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 01:09 PM

Damn! I knew I must have been ripped off paying £400 for it. I should have just nicked one like, presumably, your sister did.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 01:08 PM

Jim,
"was investigated and found to be groundless."
Utter crap - there is no evidence that it was ever discussed
...
The fforts you have made to probve the non existent Antisemitism in Labour makes you a total hypocrite


Bollocks Jim!
Guardian yesterday,
"Labour members may be expelled over claims of antisemitism and bullying
Jackie Walker, Marc Wadsworth and Paul Davis face top disciplinary body after being suspended from party"

"Momentum's former vice-chair Jackie Walker has been formally referred to Labour's highest disciplinary body for possible expulsion over comments she made about Holocaust Memorial Day.
Labour's national executive committee (NEC) also referred several other members who had been suspended from the party over the summer. Among those were: Paul Davis, the vice-chair of the local party in Wallasey, who was referred over allegations of bullying and intimidation during the leadership challenge by local MP Angela Eagle; and Marc Wadsworth, a party activist who, at the launch of a report into Labour and antisemitism, challenged Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth that she was working "hand in hand" with the media."


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 12:21 PM

I refer you to my post regarding twisted knickers, seems like they're still in a knot.

Love you, kissy, kissy


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 11:50 AM

" Just like winding people up I suppose when I've got a little time to waste." - Raggy

Precisely, but you do seem to have an awful lot of time to waste. On the "winding people up" Raggy, how come you're so poor at it? I mean for someone educated at Oxford?

Thanks the picture of your bike Gnome, my little sister had one vaguely similar to that in the late 60s.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 11:30 AM

If I considered the c**p that goes on here to be of any importance I may have maded a greater effort, but seeing as it is so facile, an has such a low base level I really can't be arsed. Just like winding people up I suppose when I've got a little time to waste.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 10:10 AM

It's not always a fishing rod, Raggy :-D

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 10:10 AM

Whose knickers are in a twist Raggy? Certainly not mine.

Do you ever review your own posts Raggy? You post very frequently yet never seem to say anything, even when you try to stay on topic, when what you say is ill-informed and incorrect.

I take it that you do realise that that place in that college in Oxford was a waste don't you - you robbed some perfect stranger of a chance in a lifetime as I am sure they would have put that education to far better use than you seem to have done judging by your input here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 10:03 AM

Actually teri it's very considerate of you to include stabilisers, he might need those when cycling home from the pub !


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 10:00 AM

It needs a holder for a fishing rod, Gnomes invariably have fishing rods.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 09:59 AM

See, Teribus, you can have fun! You should try it more often :-) Here is an odd coincidence for you though. One of my bikes is a Ridgeback Attache! Good bikes. Mine needs some fettling but once done it should be perfectly rideable again. Thanks for reminding me.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 09:49 AM

The Gnome's new bike:

Gnome goes cycling

I thought the mental picture of the Gnome toddling about the hills and dales with a knapsack on his back was funny enough - but him on a bike!!! Priceless, just priceless.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 09:45 AM

Adolph Hitler was also purported to be anti-establishment but as a socialist who supports nationalism I suppose you also admire him. Trump and Farage are as establishment as they come. They are selling you the same lie that political con men have been selling for millennia and sadly you are still buying it. They have your interest at heart as much as Genghis Khan did.

Socialist my arse.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 09:25 AM

I have always said that if we seek abetter and fairer system in the future, we must do so by including all shades of political opinion, division will make the task impossible.

President Trump and Mr Farage are both anti the current establishment, which has outlived any usefulness it may have had.

The Labour Party are "reformers" as establishment as they come, I have more faith in Mrs May's Conservatives to keep up with what is actually happening in the Western hemisphere.

I am and always will be a socialist but have enough intelligence to understand that socialism will not come about till the time is right, in fact all the old labels are redundant as the new order becomes clear. As I have said before socialism will not be a "pleasant choice", it will be an absolute necessity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:59 AM

Stick to the Lycra ............................ please!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:40 AM

WTF are you on about poobad?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:23 AM

Hey, he's talking about you, jackals:

I'm calling out the loons who make Israel bashing the mother of all virtues


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:19 AM

How about cling film?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:15 AM

Aaaarrrghghgh !!!

Dave in Lycra ..................not something I want to consider ever again !!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 07:42 AM

Hybrids are the way to go unless you want to do a Wiggins. And no bloody Lycra!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 07:31 AM

I have just ordered a bike shelter from Amazon. Free up some space in the shed and keep the bikes dry. My bike is a bit of a dinosaur, like me I suppose. May get a new hybrid this year but that presupposes I will be fit enough to ride it!

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 07:17 AM

Sorry to cause you such angst, annoyance, bitterness and frustration, Bill. But, you see, nothing useful is being discussed here apropos of the alleged thread topic. Just you and Keef pushing your agendas. So we may as well diversify. Let's go ride bikes!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 07:09 AM

Hello Bobad, let's have a look at some of your recent posts shall we.

"and they try to pretend there is no pack ...lolololol"

"your obsession with me says otherwise but you're probably just playing hard to get"

"Hey Shaw, love the self portraits, they capture your essence, if you know what I mean"

"Hypocrisy from a blatant anti-semite? How shocking"

"Come on Jimmy, take defeat like a man"

"Touche Keith"

"Lol... but I am compelled to make it so by some unseen power, must be them dastardly Jews again"

Not what I would think of as erudite and learned.


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