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BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Jim Carroll 10 Mar 17 - 08:39 AM
Dave the Gnome 10 Mar 17 - 09:43 AM
Steve Shaw 10 Mar 17 - 09:53 AM
Keith A of Hertford 11 Mar 17 - 04:01 AM
Keith A of Hertford 11 Mar 17 - 04:08 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Mar 17 - 04:18 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Mar 17 - 05:49 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Mar 17 - 06:27 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Mar 17 - 06:34 AM
Keith A of Hertford 11 Mar 17 - 09:32 AM
Keith A of Hertford 11 Mar 17 - 09:38 AM
Keith A of Hertford 11 Mar 17 - 09:46 AM
Teribus 11 Mar 17 - 11:29 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Mar 17 - 11:54 AM
bobad 11 Mar 17 - 11:56 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Mar 17 - 12:19 PM
Dave the Gnome 11 Mar 17 - 12:24 PM
Steve Shaw 11 Mar 17 - 12:26 PM
Steve Shaw 11 Mar 17 - 12:31 PM
Dave the Gnome 11 Mar 17 - 12:36 PM
Keith A of Hertford 11 Mar 17 - 01:36 PM
akenaton 11 Mar 17 - 02:09 PM
Steve Shaw 11 Mar 17 - 03:15 PM
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akenaton 11 Mar 17 - 03:39 PM
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akenaton 11 Mar 17 - 04:08 PM
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akenaton 11 Mar 17 - 04:42 PM
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Raggytash 12 Mar 17 - 09:03 AM
Steve Shaw 12 Mar 17 - 11:57 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Mar 17 - 08:39 AM

"I put it up to pre-empt anyone else doing it."
You are a lying prick Keith
Who,    of those debating, would
You were on your own and most of those opposing you were referring to you as a racist
our references to scriptures that are largely disregarded by British Muslims only underlines you racism
And more lies
Post or link one single statement by either Ahmed or Straw that suggested that All Male Pakistani's were "culturally implanted" to rape children and the only reason they didn't was that they resisted the implant
That is exactly what you said - nothing made up by me - that is what you told don yo believed "Don - I now do believe....."

Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Mar 17 - 09:43 AM

Thank you Keith. Saved me looking anything up. You say I posted

The question of why there is an over-representation is the one that can be subject to racist conjecture.

The suggestion is, I guess, that simply by quoting the figures, it displays a racial motive? I don't accept that premise in all cases I am afraid. While I would suspect that certain right wing politicians, who shall remain nameless here, do have that hidden agenda, why should I suspect that Lord Ahmed or Jack Straw are acting in the same way?

This perfectly underlines what I just said. While there appears to be an over-rperesentation we will always disagree about the reasons. You go for the cultural implant one while I continue to quest for all possible reasons.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Mar 17 - 09:53 AM

Knock it off, Keith. I'll tell you if and when I agree with you. My silence means bugger all. As indeed do you prattling on interminably about this and trying to goad people all the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 04:01 AM

Dave, you had already accepted the over-representation based on the statistics. Nothing to do with Straw or Ahmed.

In that post you were referring to the explanation, and said that Lord Ahmed Jack Straw were credible on that.
They gave a cultural explanation.

Jim, culture is implanted and I quoted them and others saying that the explanation was cultural.
Why would I not believe them, as Dave clearly did?
Why don't you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 04:08 AM

Steve,
As indeed do you prattling on interminably about this

I do not.
I just defend myself from false accusations.
I will stop rebutting the accusations the very instant Jim stops making them.

It is always prattling Jim who dredges this up, and prattling Jim who then spreads it to concurrent threads.
This time you, Dave and Rag chose to join in so again do not blame me for any of this.

Why don't you have a quiet word with your friend?
Ask him to stop "prattling on interminably about this."


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 04:18 AM

In that post you were referring to the explanation, and said that Lord Ahmed Jack Straw were credible on that.
They gave a cultural explanation.


Oh, FFS, here we go again. Telling me what I mean - How is that you know what people mean better than they do themselves? Yes, it is a credible explanation AMONGST MANY OTHERS. My whole point was that while it may be credible, it is not necessarily the right one. What is so difficult to understand about that?

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 05:49 AM

Let me guess. Keith saw this bastard-child thread of his dropping off the bottom. Eighteen hours without a post! He couldn't let that happen. So here we are again, another pointless resurrection enabling Keith to prattle on interminably for a little while longer. 😂😂😂


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 06:27 AM

Good point, Steve :-) I suspect that pattern of posting is pretty consistent too. I shall be kind though and put it down to Keith's absences due to other commitments.

I know your bearded, Guardian reading sandaled ways, Shaw...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 06:34 AM

Jim, culture is implanted and I quoted them and others saying that the explanation was cultural.
Nobody has ever said such a disgusting thing - "implanted to rape children"
You lide and you you continue to lie - not only have you never produced a quote, you refuse to produce one now when it is well within your capabilities to do so
You visited within the last few days - one quick cut-'- paste would have settled it - nothing!!!
You are not only dishonest but you are stupidly so in continuing with your lies despite having proved yourself wrong over and over again
Have you no respect for yourself??
As for "I said it before anyone else did - utterly and completely mindless beyond imagination
You have attacked Muslims both over their ethnicity and because of their religion - and you have denied doing it while you are continuing to do it.
I've got far more important things to do than converse with someone who appears to wish to humiliate himself
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 09:32 AM

Oh, FFS, here we go again. Telling me what I mean

No. Telling you what you said.
You may wish now that you had not, but your meaning there was clear.

Let us examine the whole post.

Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 02 Feb 11 - 05:59 PM
I think the point is that British Pakistanis, and I only use the term to be consistent with the thread, are over-represented in these cases. I have no doubt as to the veracity of Keiths figures. Lox has even agreed that it is an over-representation.


There you have accepted the over representation based on the figures.

You then quote someone else's post,
Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox - PM
Date: 02 Feb 11 - 02:59 PM

"BP" as you call them, are only overrepresented in these cases.

They are not overrepresented in sex crimes in general.


Having dealt with that you move on to the "motive" behind the over representation,

"The question of why there is an over-representation is the one that can be subject to racist conjecture.

The suggestion is, I guess, that simply by quoting the figures, it displays a racial motive? I don't accept that premise in all cases I am afraid. While I would suspect that certain right wing politicians, who shall remain nameless here, do have that hidden agenda, why should I suspect that Lord Ahmed or Jack Straw are acting in the same way?


Ahmed and Straw proposed a cultural explanation, and as you said not a "racial motive."
You clearly endorse their view.

Your final sentence, which again makes clear that you are discussion the explanation for the over representation, and not just the over representation itself,

I did, incidentaly, put up what I felt were reasonable reasons for such an over-representation earlier but only Keith chose to respond. And then to only agree that he, like myself, did not have an answer!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 09:38 AM

Steve,
So here we are again, another pointless resurrection enabling Keith to prattle on interminably for a little while longer.

No Steve.
It is always Jim who dredges up this shit, and spreads it across the threads.
He has been doing it for SIX YEARS!
I always try to dissuade him.

I never prattle on about the odious subject, but I do rebut prattling Jim's false accusations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 09:46 AM

Jim,
You have attacked Muslims both over their ethnicity and because of their religion - and you have denied doing it while you are continuing to do it.

Another disgusting Jim lie.
Will you produce a quote?
Of course not, because it is just another disgusting Jim lie.

In the thread are the original quotes of Straw, Cryer, Ahmed, Safiq and Alibhai Brown all saying it is cultural.
There have been other quotes since.

I have repeated them often enough. Just search the thread for those names if you want to read them again.

They say the child rapes in question were down to culture, and culture is implanted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 11:29 AM

Wonder what birds, plants, mopeds, recipes or supermarket special deals we'll hear about now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 11:54 AM

Try as you may to fit my words into your ideology, Keith, I know what was meant, Steve knows what was meant and lots of other people know what was meant. Only your agenda driven imagination is saying anything else. If you feel that my use of the language is shit as well as my morals you only have to say so. :-)

I have always said that the figures show an over representation. I have also always said that there are many plausible reasons for this and I do not know what the right one is. Unlike you, who have always insisted that it must be culture based because that is what some politicians told you.

You need to lighten up Teribus. The difference when you were trying to be witty was amazing. Sad that you failed but keep practicing and you may come across as human eventually:-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 11:56 AM

You know what Teribus, it really doesn't matter that they natter on about their inanities, it has about as much value as their parroting of the tired old canon of a long failed ideology and besides someone may benefit from a supermarket deal they were unaware of.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 12:19 PM

it really doesn't matter that they natter on about their inanities

Absolutely spot on for a change poobad. Trouble is I suspect you were aiming it in the wrong direction. Food, flowers and the beauty of the naturual world are what matter. Politics are indeed inane.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 12:24 PM

Oh - BTW, Steve, forgot to tell you I am thinking of ordering a new T-Shirt

I wish I was a unicorn.

Thought you would appreciate it :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 12:26 PM

Still 25% off six bottles at M&S. Got six bottles of the Negroamaro last Wednesday, eight quid each less 25% and on top of that I had a five quid off voucher for spending over £35. So six cracking good bottles of red for a tad over a fiver apiece. It will wash down the orecchiette con cime di rape I'm making tonight. Not all six at once of course!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 12:31 PM

£9.99 though, Dave? Will it wash OK? Keep me posted! I go for Hawaiian shirts all the time these days. They suit my sunny personality. Can't wait for the new season's offerings at Asda George. Nowt over twelve quid though. Bought a good few at Pilsworth Asda last spring.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 12:36 PM

I love Hawaiian shirts! Had a great collection, added to on a visit to the States some years back but, alas, they have all gone bar 2. Must try to build it up again. They were easy to come by when skateboarding gear was popular. Not sure how the two fitted together, but they did.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 01:36 PM

Dave,
Try as you may to fit my words into your ideology, Keith, I know what was meant,

I did not have to fit your words to anything.
Whatever you now claim you meant, the actual meaning was quite explicit in your post as I have just demonstrated.

If you meant something different you should have said something different.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 02:09 PM

I just wonder what is the purpose of these childish diversions, is it an attempt to get the BS section closed now that at last serious subjects are being discussed at length?

Is it simply spite that the gang's intellectual inadequacies are being exposed and they just can't take a beating like adults?

Is it the fact that their mythical ideology has been rumbled all over the developed West and the years they invested in promoting the idiocy of "liberalism" have turned out to be lives wasted?

Is it just that they have nowhere left to go and have decided to destroy debate as one final spiteful performance?

Any one of the above would be sad, but all combined would mean complete mental desolation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 03:15 PM

Our diversions are childlike, not childish. We approach the glories of the natural world with wide-eyed wonder, God-free. The very epitome of what it is to be childlike. And we indulge in these diversions in the hope that they will severely piss people like you off, so that you may end up posting less, thus enhancing the possibility that the forum below the line will be a more pleasant and populous place that will live forever. If you do end up posting less, or, indeed, buggering off entirely, that will be your choice, no attack on free speech intended, etc. We live in hope. And there's nothing you can do to stop us. Free speech, innit!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 03:18 PM

"I did not have to fit your words to anything."

Ahah, Keith, but can you fit yourself into Dave's Hawaiian shirts? Now there's a challenge!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 03:39 PM

So it's the last example then?   I don't engage with you Steve you appear to aim your spite at Mr T, Keith, Bobad and Iains so what you want is a discussion forum where everyone is of the same opinion on matters social and political, "thus enhancing the possibility that the forum below the line will be a more pleasant and populous place that will live forever."

Say goodnight Stevieboy!! and dream on!   :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 04:06 PM

I just wonder what is the purpose of these childish diversions, is it an attempt to get the BS section closed now that at last serious subjects are being discussed at length?

I have said it before, but it is well worth repeating.

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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 04:08 PM

BTW Stevieboy, YOU or anyone like you will never drive me away.

I view your desperate antics with mild amusement and it is particularly satisfying to see your disgusting attacks on Keith being smacked down by people who are many levels above you in every department.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 04:12 PM

"but can you fit yourself into Dave's Hawaiian shirts? Now there's a challenge!" - Steve Shaw

Judging by the girth of the little F**ker get two of them and they'd serve as a Bell Tent. Where's the effin' challenge in that???


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 04:36 PM

Bellend? 🤣


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 04:42 PM

My it's gone quiet Teribus, I imagine that I can hear the small birds singing in the trees.   :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 04:58 PM

No-one wants to martyr you, little Scotsperson. Why, we'd all LOVE you to stay and make the rest of us feel so superior! Dunno about the mods, though. I think you'd be well advised to steer clear of ignorant assertions about the American political scene. You know what I mean, eulogies about Donal-Jerk the scrotus, etc. They shout at you if you do that, rightly so. Still, free speech an' all that. Och, magillycuddy reeks! I'm all ocht tae muckty! It's bin a broad bracht moonlacht nacht the nacht! Who wud nae facht fae Charlie! Scots what hae wi' Wallace bled!   Triple Ardbeg for me please, neat, room temp if ye don't mind...


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 05:01 PM

Jesus, I think I may have just had the first ever sensible exchange with akenaton that any of us have ever had! D'you think he's going to spoil it any minute now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 05:13 PM

I know a safe place for you and your raggle taggle band Stevieboy, the "Alternative Facts" thread, you can sit there with Gilly Greg and Don, cursing Donal John and the electoral process to your hearts content. No one will hear you or disagree with you, you will be in "Bigot heaven"    :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 05:32 PM

You're just jealous because we deservedly thrashed Scotland. Och the bleedin' noo.

"I have a wee touch of heartburn, Doctor Cameron!"

"Aye, Janet, get your tit oot o' ma porridge..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 04:25 AM

Bell tent, Teribus? As ever, your imagination let's you down. Not a bad attempt but clichéd. 2/10 for effort.

To be honest, Steve,it was an unfair challenge. He could never measure up to anything of mine :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 04:49 AM

Trouble with Hawaiian shirts is (a) I don't want to spend a fortune on 'em, (b) the internet is awash with suspiciously cheap ones. Where to buy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 05:12 AM

The two I have left are really good quality ones. One is made by Fat Face. I would not usually pay their prices but I think this was from a charity shop! The other I got in America. Make is Columbia who I usually associate with hiking/outdoor gear. Skipton market had some good ones at one time but not for the last couple of years. Charity shops are sometimes a good source and you are also helping the environment by recycling. Should appeal to sandal reading hippies...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 07:18 AM

I can't read sandals, Dave, but I can wear the Guardian. 🤣


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 08:31 AM

Timeline: Labour's anti-Semitism crisis

February 16 2016

Oxford University Labour Club co-chair resigns after claiming that its members have "some kind of problem with Jews" and sympathise with terrorist groups like Hamas.

March 6

Two former shadow Cabinet ministers, Michael Dugher MP and Rachel Reeves MP, accuse Jeremy Corbyn of trying to "bury" the Party's problem with anti-Semitism after refusing to publish an investigation into harassment of Jewish students at Oxford University.

March 15

Vicki Kirby, the vice chair of the Labour's Woking branch is suspended after tweeting that Jews have "big noses" and "slaughter the oppressed". MPs attacked the Party leadership after they initially refused to suspend her.

March 16

Jeremy Newmark, national chair of the Jewish Labour Movement, says Jeremy Corbyn is "impotent" in his failure to tackle a resurgence of anti-Semitic views

March 20

Labour peer Lord Levy threatens to leave his party unless Jeremy Corbyn publicly rejects antisemitic comments made by party members.

March 25

Labour Chancellor John McDonnell says he wants to take a "harder line" against anti-Semitism, adding that anyone making anti-Semitic remarks should be thrown out of the party

April 2

President of the Board of Deputies of British Jews warns that Jeremy Corbyn is "failing to lead" Labour away from a damaging trend of anti-Semitism

April 10

Labour councillor Aysegul Gurbuz is suspended over a series of anti-Semitic tweets in which she praised Hitler as the "greatest man in history" and said she hoped Iran would use a "nuclear weapon" to "wipe Israel off the map".

April 27

Labour MP Naz Shah is suspended after backing calls for Israel to "relocate" to America. She had resigned as an aide to the Party's shadow chancellor the previous day, but Jeremy Corbyn was criticised by MPs for initially declining to suspend her from the party whip.

April 28

Ken Livingstone becomes embroiled in the row. In a BBC interview he defends Naz Shah, saying, "I've never heard anybody say anything anti-Semitic, but there's been a very well-orchestrated campaign by the Israel lobby to smear anybody who criticises Israeli policy as anti-Semitic."

The resulting outcry leads to his suspension from the Labour party.

May 4

Britain's Chief Rabbi enters the row for the first time to call on Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn to take "decisive action". Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis criticised the "poisonous invective" and "politics of distortion" from party members such as Ken Livingstone, and in an article for the Telegraph warns that "there must be no place for anti-Semitism in our politics".


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 09:03 AM

I think all these points have been discussed at length already, do you have a NEW point to raise ...............

................... no? thought not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 11:57 AM

*Yawn*


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 12:20 PM

Bobad, maybe you can look at something more current, and somewhere there is much more of problem, such as Les Républicains.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 02:48 PM

David, in case you didn't notice the topic of this thread is UK Labour Party Discussion. If you would like to discuss anti-Semitism in the French elections I suggest you start a thread on that. Anti-Semitism and hate crimes directed against Jews are a growing problem in the world, in fact Jews are targeted more than all other religious groups combined in most of the western world today. In the UK alone hate crimes against Jewish people are at record levels having risen by more than a third from previous years. Thank you for your interest and for shining a light on the situation in France where Jews are fleeing in record numbers in fear for their safety.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 03:36 PM

Bobad,

You state that Jews are targeted more than all other religious groups in the world today.

You may be correct in this assertion but you offer no evidence.

It could be that people of the Jewish faith are more inclined to raise issues of hate crime, it could be that people of other faiths are less inclined to raise the matter.

Unless you can offer PROOF of that hate crime, your assertion does not carry any credence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 03:51 PM

"...in fact Jews are targeted more than all other religious groups combined in most of the western world today."

Prove it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 04:16 PM

Yes that assertion by bobad does stretch credulity, there is far, far too much religiously motivated hate crime in the world, against people of a variety of religions, but I would have thought that such crimes in South Asia rather outweighed those in the Middle East, if only because of the very large populations there.

But as far as anti-semitism goes, the parallel between the UK and France is of course that anti-semitism, like islamphobia, is largely the preserve of the political right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 05:39 PM

You may be correct in this assertion but you offer no evidence.

We have been down this road before and the statistics were provided, they are easily obtainable if anyone is interested in doing so.

As far as the far right being the preserve of anti-Semitism, that was once the case but the far left is today just as, if not more, anti-Semitic than the far right. Plenty evidence available - remember, Google is your friend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 06:57 PM

So, boobs, you haven't got any evidence then. Just weasel words. We get it! 😂😂😂

Gorgeous sunny but windy afternoon this end. Walked over the downs past the Bude sea pool. The sea's different every day, and we've seen it almost every day for thirty years. Wizard!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 07:23 PM

1: Raggytash - 12 Mar 17 - 03:36 PM

"Unless you can offer PROOF of that hate crime, your assertion does not carry any credence."


2: Steve Shaw - 12 Mar 17 - 03:51 PM

"...in fact Jews are targeted more than all other religious groups combined in most of the western world today." - bobad

"Prove it."

Raggy, Shaw, if you do not believe the statement then produce figures that counter what has been said. You have come out with the same in the past when I had stated something similar with regard to hate crimes in the USA. I gave you the source - FBI statistics - For some obscure reason, or other, these were still not good enough for you.

I can easily believe what bobad is saying is the truth considering how the "liberal left" has embraced the cause of Yasser Arafat's invention - The "Palestinians".


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Mar 17 - 07:27 PM

Same goes for David Carter (UK) if you dispute what has been said then come up with figures that support your point of view and take on things. As bobad says the figures are readily available if you want to look for them. Just making a point blank statement that you don't believe him does not have any credence at all.


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