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BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 05:55 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 05:22 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 05:19 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 05:17 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 05:14 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Aug 17 - 05:13 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 05:09 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 05:00 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 04:57 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 04:51 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 04:49 AM
Iains 04 Aug 17 - 04:29 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 03:07 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Aug 17 - 06:38 PM
Greg F. 03 Aug 17 - 05:52 PM
Iains 03 Aug 17 - 05:51 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 Aug 17 - 05:12 PM
Iains 03 Aug 17 - 02:12 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:55 AM

You think you are someone who has a God given rights

don't be a prat. You know very well I don't believe in god. Mudcat management do exist though and they decide on the rules. Not you.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:22 AM

Dave,
I don't think I am anyone. I know I am Dave the Gnome.

You think you are someone who has a God given rights to mess up serious threads with irrelevant prattling.
You just said so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:19 AM

Well, Keith, your party supported the Pinochet regime and supported Reagan when he was up to his tricks in Central America.

My party? I have none. The only hypocrisy is yours.
I have quoted three Labour MPs, and you have no reply.

Your post is just personal abuse and not one word on the issue of Venezuela.
You clearly have nothing to say.
No case.
You lose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:17 AM

Who do you think you are?

I don't think I am anyone. I know I am Dave the Gnome. Do you have some issues with self awareness? Is this why you are so insecure that you feel the need to win at all costs?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:14 AM

You have no God given right to swamp Mudcat threads with irrelevant and personal ramblings.

Who do you think you are?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:13 AM

Well, Keith, your party supported the Pinochet regime and supported Reagan when he was up to his tricks in Central America. I smell hypocrisy. Again. You and Iains are a pair of sick obsessives who are on a two-man mission here to dig whatever dirt you can on Labour. It really isn't very interesting. I repeat. The approach lost you your majority in the June election. People want to know what you're going to do, not how bad the other lot are who haven't been in power for over seven years. But get as many recruits as you can for your little campaign. That's the way we'll get Jezza into Number Ten!

By the way, Iains, I'll thank you for not trying to smear me by implying that I was Musket. Of all the people on this board, no-one is more open, consistent and transparent about their identity than I've been over ten years. Just the one identity, I might add. Go and take your desperate slurs elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:09 AM

What give you the right?

God. Take it up with him or Mudcat management.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:00 AM

Perhaps you could tell us what other alias you were using that particular day?

I have always posted as myself. Never anyone else and never as a guest apart form a handful of occasions where my cookie had crumbled. Unlike you who did not post as yourself between August 2000 and April 2016. Maybe you would care to let us know which guests you were posing at during that period?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 04:57 AM

Dave,
I can keep saying no as long as you keep asking me to go away,Keith.

I actually ask you to comment on the issues.
If you can't or won't then your profligate posting is an irrelevant nuisance to everyone, so of course you should stop.

Why do you impose yourself on us, just prattling on about anything except the issue?
What give you the right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 04:51 AM

Steve, you have failed to say specifically what you disagree with in those quotes.
Here they are again.
Labour MP John Mann, the chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) Against Antisemitism, said his party should "condemn the authoritarian regime".

He said: "The government has refused to protect the Jewish community there from anti-Semitic attacks and refused to meet me and other international politicians to discuss this.
"Venezuela is a despot regime…, leaving millions living in abject poverty and on the verge of starvation."

Asked about the Labour leadership's position, Mr Mann said: "It is time to revise our understanding of Venezuela and condemn unreservedly its current slide into violence, poverty and dictatorship."

Anyone here disagree with Mann?
Steve? What in particular Steve?

And not just Mann.
Times,
"Corbyn is under pressure from MPs and socialist politicians in Europe to condemn personally President Maduro's violent regime in Venezuela.

British MPs from all parties called last night for the Labour leader to speak out after his historical support for the state's leadership. "

Labour MP Angela Smith,
"I hope that my party leadership will as soon as possible condemn what's happening in the country and call for the release of opposition party political prisoners," she said.
Graham Jones, another Labour MP
and chairman of the group, said: "I believe everybody in the Labour Party should condemn the Venezuelan regime because the first duty of any state is to look after its citizens. Venezuela has failed."


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 04:49 AM

D the G was not musket something you hid behind?

No it was not. I have never hidden behind anything. I am too wide for a start...

Shaw certainly did.

I am sure Steve can and will speak for himself but he certainly did not either.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 04:29 AM

D the G was not musket something you hid behind? Shaw certainly did. His unique turn of phrase can be recognised at a thousand paces.
Perhaps you could tell us what other alias you were using that particular day?

Anyway to more pressing matters.
Will He? Wont he?
Labour MP Graham Jones is optimistic Corbyn will come out and condemn Maduro:

    "Jeremy in his own time will come out and condemn Venezuela, I am sure he will. Nobody can accept the human rights abuses that are going on in Venezuela."

The more hawkish Labour types are demanding Corbyn answer a very simple question: Does Jeremy Corbyn still support Venezuela's regime?

Progress's Conor Pope says "I do happen to believe what Corbyn thinks about Venezuela now is relevant and important, but not because of votes. Judgement and morals. Corbyn held up Chavismo as a model. Fair to ask where went wrong." Socialism comrade, socialism went wrong as it always does…


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 03:07 AM

Inanes - It was not my profanity, it was the phrase that Musket used to use so, if your tired little platitude was aimed at me, you have missed the mark yet again.

And I do wish you lot would get your act together. Teribus says 'fat little Gnome' you say 'wrinkled little Gnome'. Have you any idea how difficult it is to fat and wrinkled? I do try to please but I am not a miracle worker!

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 06:38 PM

John Mann has done everything in his power to undermine Jeremy Corbyn. Just like Keith and booboo, he has a bee in his bonnet about "Labour's serious antisemitism problem." In fact, he's completely obsessed with it. He dishonestly orchestrated the public spat with Ken Livingstone in front of prearranged TV cameras. He hates Jezza and is one of those sore losers, like Yvette Cooper, Hilary Benn and Chuka Umunna, who can't stand the fact that Jezza did so well and sidelined them via positive campaigning. They need to evaporate rapidly. Labour has changed direction and become a party of fair play, less bloody stupid tactics and of more positive campaigning. Those has-beens can't stand it, and the likes of Keith, Iains and booboo are so worried that they are resorting to the very tactics that lost our Theresa her majority. All negativity and not a bloody policy in sight. That's Toryism for you. And look where it's got us in the last seven years. Poor man of Europe all over again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 05:52 PM

Then again, maybe he was right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 05:51 PM

Wrinkled little gnome. Thought for the day:

" Profanity is the inevitable linguistic crutch of the inarticulate"


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 05:12 PM

You know when Musket used to call you a thick cunt, Keith? He was wrong. I don't think you are as thick as you act.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 02:12 PM

More labour idiocy:


https://order-order.com/2017/08/03/top-corbynistas-smart-benches-ripped/


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 02:06 PM

I can keep saying no as long as you keep asking me to go away,Keith. Childish? Maybe but, while we are on that ptopic, who started it?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 01:59 PM

Mann chairs the All-Party Parliamentary Group against Antisemitism, and serves on the Treasury Select Committee.
You may not agree with him, but you can not dismiss him as just "a twat" without making a complete twat of yourself Steve.

Instead of just calling him names, can you answer any of the quotes I gave?

Labour MP John Mann, the chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) Against Antisemitism, said his party should "condemn the authoritarian regime".

He said: "The government has refused to protect the Jewish community there from anti-Semitic attacks and refused to meet me and other international politicians to discuss this.
"Venezuela is a despot regime…, leaving millions living in abject poverty and on the verge of starvation."

Asked about the Labour leadership's position, Mr Mann said: "It is time to revise our understanding of Venezuela and condemn unreservedly its current slide into violence, poverty and dictatorship."

Anyone here disagree with Mann?
Steve? What in particular Steve?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 01:49 PM

Yes Dave the thread is about Labour, and the most recent issues have been Labour MP Shah's anti-Semitism which you brought up again, and Labour's stance on Venezuela.

Yes, we could all ignore your pointless posts Dave, but why do you feel the need to impose yourself on everyone here when you refuse to say anything on the issues!?

If you will not express a view, please go away and stop wasting everyone's time

Or preferably give your views on whether or not Shah was being anti-Semitic, and Corbyn's stated admiration for Venezuela's disastrous regime.
Like an actual contributor Dave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 01:39 PM

Every party has its twats and Labour is no exception. John Mann is a contender for biggest Labour twat of all. No wonder Keith is clinging to him.

It's gorgeous where I am too. more on that later!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 01:34 PM

I'll see you in about 3 weeks, Raggy. Keep my pint cool in the Waiting Room and we can waste as much time as we like on good music, beer and company without anyone complaining :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 01:31 PM

Oh , and just a gentle reminder although I am sure most people will realise. The topic under discussion is the Labour party. The clue is in the thread name. Far from not stating my views on that and many sub topics therein I have made my views very well known. What I will not do, and this is what rankles you Keith, is play by your rules. I will not be sidetracked down a single pointless topic.

The Labour party, far from being the spent force you and your cronies have described, are on an upsurge. The leader that you and the right wing press have tried to destroy has survived everything that you can throw at him and succeeded in wiping out the Tory majority in the house of commons. All the talk of antisemitism and supporting terrorism has been nothing but a sideshow to the main event. Who will run the country at the next election. I know who I would bet on.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 01:27 PM

Meanwhile out here on the Connemara there was a great session last night in a wonderful bar nestled by the harbour and another one tonight in the same village which is always a fantastic session


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 12:48 PM

If you feel like my postings are a waste of time, Keith, there is a simple answer and one which I have been suggesting for ages. Ignore them. That way none of your time is wasted, you can carry on feeling victorious and I can carry on posting whatever I fancy.

Seemples.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 11:40 AM

K of H
The answer you are looking for is below. The royal we must refer to the former musket/s
Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 03:15 PM

Our diversions are childlike, not childish. We approach the glories of the natural world with wide-eyed wonder, God-free. The very epitome of what it is to be childlike. And we indulge in these diversions in the hope that they will severely piss people like you off, so that you may end up posting less, thus enhancing the possibility that the forum below the line will be a more pleasant and populous place that will live forever. If you do end up posting less, or, indeed, buggering off entirely, that will be your choice, no attack on free speech intended, etc. We live in hope. And there's nothing you can do to stop us. Free speech, innit!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 11:33 AM

No-one can make you go away Dave, but if you refuse to state your views on the topics under discussion what is the point of you being here and posting so prolifically?
You are wasting everyone's time, so why not go away?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 10:23 AM

Shah didn't propose the transportation of Judaism to the US it was the Jews she wanted to see gone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 09:48 AM

And sorry for the poor HTML but I am sure you get the gist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 09:42 AM

If you have nothing to say on such issues why do you post here so much?
Why not?

Go away and stop wasting everyone's time.

I shall spend my time as I chose and go where I like thank you.

I can only suggest that you put your application in to be a forum moderator if controlling what other people say means so mush to you. In honesty though, I don't think you have much chance.

Sorry

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 09:33 AM

I agree with that statement Dave, but advocating the transportation of Jews from the Middle East goes way beyond criticising "everyday conservative Judaism generally and Judaic fundamentalism in particular."

And Shah admits doing that.
Also of warning that "The Jews are rallying."

That is blatant and nasty racism, which you and Steve refuse to recognise.

This thread concerns UK politics, and Venezuela and Labour's position on it is a major news story right now.
If you have "no idea of the situation" do some reading.

If you have nothing to say on such issues why do you post here so much?
Go away and stop wasting everyone's time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 09:15 AM

I just saw a lovely quote from someone on another thread. It said something like

it is not "anti-semitic" for someone to criticize everyday conservative Judaism generally and Judaic fundamentalism in particular. On the contrary, criticism is a prerequisite for any lasting reformation within Judaism.

I think it may have been about another religious group but I cannot remember who posted it...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 08:44 AM

Politicians do not always mean what they say. I know that may come as surprise to some but, sadly, it is true. Maybe the more perspicacious of us do realise that and understand that not everything is as it at first seems.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 08:09 AM

So, to follow wriggler's logic, a politician can make all kinds of racist comments but they can be disregarded because politicians always lie. Hmm, thankfully the majority of voters are somewhat more perspicacious than that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 07:42 AM

Of course it is, Poobad. because every politician in the world always says exactly what they mean and always tell the truth.

When Trump said he would build a wall paid for by Mexico, that is what happened.

When May said there would be no election until 2020 that is exactly what she meant.

When Shah said... Oh, I am sure you get the picture.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 07:27 AM

It's not about Shah's personal thoughts, it's about her public pronouncements, wriggler.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 07:22 AM

I have no idea what the situation is in Venuzeula and I am not privy to Naz Shah's personal thoughts. That is the reason I will not discuss them but I am more than happy to let you believe that it is because I am terrified of you if that makes yo happy.

I am going nowhere and will post what I like though. Because that makes me happy.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 07:02 AM

An old favourite of mine, but why do you avoid the real current issue of what is happening there now and Labour's stance on it?

And you still have not stated your view on the Shah debate.
Did she or didn't she?

Now two things your are afraid to discuss.
Say what you think or go away and stop wasting everyone's time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 06:41 AM

Absolutely! Not the best version I have heard but more than acceptable

In Venezuela

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 06:18 AM

You still will not said what you think.
That would finish it.

Venezuela anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 06:14 AM

Good. Glad you enjoyed it. I enjoyed doing my bit for care in the community as well. A win-win situation. So I guess we have finished?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 06:01 AM

Of course you would support Steve if you thought he was right.
Belief does not come in to it.

So you know him to be wrong, but rather than admit it you obfuscate and evade for weeks, making yourselves both look totally ridiculous.

I did find that therapeutic Dave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 05:43 AM

Yes, carry on believing that, Keith. I am sure it must be therapeutic.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 05:23 AM

Venezuela,
Labour MP John Mann, the chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) Against Antisemitism, said his party should "condemn the authoritarian regime".

He said: "The government has refused to protect the Jewish community there from anti-Semitic attacks and refused to meet me and other international politicians to discuss this.
"Venezuela is a despot regime…, leaving millions living in abject poverty and on the verge of starvation."

Asked about the Labour leadership's position, Mr Mann said: "It is time to revise our understanding of Venezuela and condemn unreservedly its current slide into violence, poverty and dictatorship."

Anyone here disagree with Mann>


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 05:16 AM

Won what Dave?
I have failed to persuade you to state your view, but at least I can explain why you will not.

If you thought Steve right you would say so at once.
You just can not bring yourself to admit that he is wrong and I am right, but that is the case.

He called me a liar over it, and you still kept quiet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 06:43 PM

Keith. just carry on believing you have won. Stop posting and bask in the imagined glory. It will give you a warm feeling and the rest of us a break.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 03:10 PM

To be a labour MP and a lobbyist? His constituents must be very happy. I wonder who he truly represents?


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/31/labour-mp-barry-sheerman-first-serving-politician-registered-lobbyist


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 02:50 PM

A recent blast from the pasr. More labour lunacy!


http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/frederick-forsyth/831296/Britain-Conservatives-lunacy-concerns-Jeremy-Corbyn


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 02:40 PM

Do shut up, Keith. And that piece of advice is an attempt to do you a favour.


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