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BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Raggytash 29 Jul 17 - 01:20 PM
Keith A of Hertford 29 Jul 17 - 01:10 PM
Steve Shaw 29 Jul 17 - 09:37 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 Jul 17 - 05:43 AM
Keith A of Hertford 29 Jul 17 - 05:29 AM
Iains 29 Jul 17 - 05:22 AM
Keith A of Hertford 29 Jul 17 - 04:50 AM
Teribus 29 Jul 17 - 04:40 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 Jul 17 - 03:41 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Jul 17 - 03:06 PM
Keith A of Hertford 28 Jul 17 - 02:26 PM
Dave the Gnome 28 Jul 17 - 12:26 PM
Keith A of Hertford 28 Jul 17 - 11:11 AM
Iains 28 Jul 17 - 07:04 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Jul 17 - 06:27 AM
Iains 28 Jul 17 - 05:12 AM
Dave the Gnome 28 Jul 17 - 04:44 AM
Iains 28 Jul 17 - 04:42 AM
Dave the Gnome 28 Jul 17 - 04:40 AM
Iains 28 Jul 17 - 04:27 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Jul 17 - 04:26 AM
Dave the Gnome 28 Jul 17 - 04:25 AM
Keith A of Hertford 28 Jul 17 - 03:58 AM
Steve Shaw 27 Jul 17 - 09:05 PM
Shakey 27 Jul 17 - 07:31 PM
Dave the Gnome 27 Jul 17 - 06:27 PM
Steve Shaw 27 Jul 17 - 05:35 PM
Raggytash 27 Jul 17 - 01:53 PM
Raggytash 27 Jul 17 - 01:51 PM
Jim Carroll 27 Jul 17 - 01:40 PM
Keith A of Hertford 27 Jul 17 - 01:30 PM
Keith A of Hertford 27 Jul 17 - 01:23 PM
Steve Shaw 27 Jul 17 - 10:32 AM
MikeL2 27 Jul 17 - 10:10 AM
bobad 27 Jul 17 - 10:09 AM
Steve Shaw 27 Jul 17 - 09:13 AM
Jim Carroll 27 Jul 17 - 08:28 AM
Keith A of Hertford 27 Jul 17 - 08:15 AM
Keith A of Hertford 27 Jul 17 - 08:11 AM
Jim Carroll 27 Jul 17 - 07:30 AM
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Steve Shaw 27 Jul 17 - 06:09 AM
Keith A of Hertford 27 Jul 17 - 05:00 AM
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Keith A of Hertford 27 Jul 17 - 04:59 AM
Dave the Gnome 27 Jul 17 - 04:51 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jul 17 - 01:20 PM

That is not to say it does not exist though, does it.

Meanwhile here on the Cońnemara another session beckons tonight, it will be a late one, it always is, I,be rarely left before three and tomorrow see,s a horse racing meet on a local strand!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jul 17 - 01:10 PM

Dave, debate, discussion, call it what you will.
The fact is that you people can produce nothing to support your case or challenge mine.
So you lose.
Labour has a serious problem with anti-Semitism, and other parties do not.

Steve, I withdrew that statement some time ago.
Apparently it did not convey what I intended.
Here again is what I intended to convey,

Many prominent members have said that Labour has a serious problem with anti-Semitism, which they have not said about any other Party, and which no-one else has either"

Also only Labour Party Jews have complained about their party's anti-Semitism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 17 - 09:37 AM

You tried to slip a lie past us then slithered around full of bad grace. Far too outrageous an untruth to be accidental. Once would have been bad enough but it's your usual tactic, Keith. It's vulgar and fraudulent and you have a history of it. And oh yes, we all know exactly what you meant. You meant to continue with your tedious attempted smear of Labour. If you're not posting lies here you're somewhere else trying to dig up more dirt. Why don't you go and sing a song instead?

Dunno, Bill, you tell me. Will he, won't he? Any idea why the totally dispreutable cut'n'run Gove is back enjoying the limelight? We all have our crosses to bear, even you gentlemen of the right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jul 17 - 05:43 AM

In a debate, if one side can produce nothing to support their case or challenge the other side, they are the losers.

But this is not a debating forum and this is not a debate. Debates have rules which ensure they do not go on too long and they are judged by someone who is not participating. This is a rambling discussion which serves no purpose but to make you feel better about yourself, Keith. You are slipping again. Try to remember that you believe that you have won. Keep repeating that mantra and you will never need to feel insecure again.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jul 17 - 05:29 AM

Another name Steve.
"Chuka Umunna ripped into the Labour leader, alleging he has failed to crackdown on anti-Semitism in party ranks."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/jeremy-corbyn-attacked-chuka-umunna-8348775


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 29 Jul 17 - 05:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnoK5mCkcRo

Abbot reckons it ain't a problem????????????????????????


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jul 17 - 04:50 AM

Steve, My case is that Labour has a serious problem with anti-Semitism which other parties do not have.
I have clarified what I said. You now know exactly what I meant.
You can no longer pretend to think I meant something else and attack that.

Prominent Labour people and the leadership have said that Labour has a serious problem with anti-Semitism, not other parties.
Labour Jews have complained about the Party's anti-Semitism but none from other parties have.
It is just Labour.

Point two. I asked for the many names of those prominent members who said that "Labour is more antisemitic than any other." You can't provide those names

I have provided some of the names of those who said Labour has a serious problem with anti-Semitism.
The Deputy Leader, the Mayor of London and the entire NEC which includes the whole leadership.
There are more names in the threads that I would need to look up.
They have not suggested that any other party has such a problem, and the Jews in other parties have not complained of it.
Only Labour, and that is my whole and only case.

Dave, in a debate, if one side can produce nothing to support their case or challenge the other side, they are the losers.
You people can produce absolutely nothing whatsoever to support your case or challenge mine?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jul 17 - 04:40 AM

Has Ken Livingstone been welcomed back into the fold yet then Shaw?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jul 17 - 03:41 AM

Perfect, Keith. If you carry on like this you will be better in no time at all. Imagine the freedom it will give you. No more repeating the same things over and over again. No more having to backpedal. No more pointless threads going on for thousands of posts. All you need to do is post something and believe you have won and we will all be happy. Very well done and keep up the good work.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 03:06 PM

Your original claim that many prominent Labour Party members said that the Labour Party "is more antisemitic than any other." You are now telling us that that means the same thing as their saying "Labour has a serious antisemitism problem."

Point one. No it isn't the same thing. Hands up all those who think those two statements are the same thing.

Point two. I asked for the many names of those prominent members who said that "Labour is more antisemitic than any other." You can't provide those names. Do you know why not? Because you made that up. It wasn't just a careless, passing verbal slip-up. It was a deliberate attempt to slip a downright lie past us. There are no "many prominent members" who said that Labour is more antisemitic than any other. That's what you said, and it simply isn't true. In fact, I doubt whether even one prominent member made such a statement. I'm not trying to catch you out. I just read posts carefully. You should know that by now. You are sussed. Caught red-handed. Bang to rights. You've lied. You caught yourself out by not giving the other people posting to this thread any credit for being even faintly astute. You can't debate, Keith. You simply have to win and you'll twist, turn and lie in your teeth in order to delude yourself that you've done so. In all the years I've been posting here, I've never seen you win anything. On the contrary, I've seen you lose a lot. Your credibility and your reputation for starters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 02:26 PM

Dave,
Keith, if it makes you feel you are doing well,

What?
That you people can produce absolutely nothing whatsoever to support your case or challenge mine?

Unless and until you do, I am doing quite well thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 12:26 PM

Well little gnome it should be obvious it is not a question about her IQ, it is more a question of how the utilises it

Errrmmm. No. The exact phrase was "She's racist and she's not very bright." Pretty obvious that it was a reference to her intelligence.

As to I see we have a well researched, comprehensive rebuttal of my last postings concerning the labour party. Probably a damn sight better researched than your abuse of Ms Abbotts looks in calling her an abbopotomus or your C&Ps from dubious sources.

Still, like I said to Keith, if it makes you feel you are doing well, who am I to burst your bubble. I fee it is my duty to provide such care in the community.

Talking of Keith, I see he is keeping up my suggested therapy. Keep it up, Keith lad. Your need to replace whatever inadequacies you have with pointless rhetoric will pass and you will soon get your superiority complex back.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 11:11 AM

Steve, my case is that Labour has a serious problem with anti-Semitism, almost entirely from the far Left.
Other parties do not have that problem.

I make my case by quoting all those prominent Labour people who say that Labour has a serious problem, and pointing out the absence of anyone saying it about any other party.
Also, only Labour Jews complain of experiencing anti-Semitism from their party.

You make your case by trying to catch me out on some wording I used.
You can produce absolutely nothing whatsoever to support your case or challenge mine.
Likewise Jim and Rag.

As always Steve, you just make assertions with nothing behind them.

Dave does not discuss the issues at all. He just comes to stir things up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 07:04 AM

Ah Yes. I see we have a well researched, comprehensive rebuttal of my last postings concerning the labour party. The pack do not like the message so attempt to goad the messenger. Sorry Boyos, don't want to play on your terms.

Anyway another little labout gem for you to gnaw on!

"New Canterbury Labour MP Rosie Duffield campaigned on an anti-grammars platform at the election, saying she wanted "no new grammar schools" as they are "not the way forward" and the 11+ is a "horrible, divisive and stressful thing". It would be pretty dumbfoundingly hypocritical for Rosie to send her own children to grammars and then pull the ladder up, right?

Yes, both of Duffield's sons went to Simon Langton Grammar School in Canterbury. One of them still currently goes there, despite mummy not wanting other people's kids to have that choice. Daniel Hamilton, a likely Tory challenger at the next election, has written to Duffield asking for clarification, pointedly noting: "how many families and young people in East Kent have benefited from our excellent local grammar schools". As Labour grammars hypocrites go, this is up there…"


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 06:27 AM

Well you don't utilise yours very well. All that energy you put into formulating imaginative insults instead of engaging in lucid thought...

In the words of one of your putative heroes, calm down, dear! 😂



(Cue a whole batch of new imaginative insults...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 05:12 AM

Well little gnome it should be obvious it is not a question about her IQ, it is more a question of how the utilises it. Pretty obvious to anyone I would have thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 04:44 AM

and she has done pretty well with her career in spite of the abuse hurled at her by the right wing such as A member of the public is not too impressed with abbopotomus.

Well timed Inanes :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 04:42 AM

I never thought the Monster raving loony party would gain more street cred. than labour, but.................!!!!

https://order-order.com/2017/07/28/labours-brexit-shambles/


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 04:40 AM

Shakey - She's racist and she's not very bright.

She got excellent marks in her A levels at high school and went on to gain a BA in history at Cambridge despite her teachers trying to dissuade her. What measure are you using for being bright?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 04:27 AM

Oh Dear. A member of the public is not too impressed with abbopotomus.
"Diane Abbott was faced down last night by a furious Brexiteer over her claims that Leave voters are racist. An audience member branded the shadow Home Secertary's comments a "disgusting lie" on Question Time. He was referring to Abbott's statements at last year's Labour conference, where she told a fringe meeting:

    "The people that complain about the freedom of movement will not be satisfied because what they really want is to see less foreign looking people on their streets."

As Abbott attempted to deny she had ever made the claim, another frustrated audience member roared: "you did say that". Abbott also struggled to muster a defence when she later faced strong criticism over refusing to say Ken Livingstone should be expelled from her party. Another Diane broadcast appearance, more votes lost…


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBabPi_V784

May I remind the ferrets of the story of the crow and the seagull.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1858995/labours-shadow-health-secretary-diane-abbott-brands-the-17million-voters-who-backed-brexit


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 04:26 AM

You do not "flatten" arguments by saying one untrue thing, then pretending you haven't said it, then saying something completely different but saying it's the same thing. That is not an argument. That's just a shitty piece of dishonesty which I've exposed. It's your modus operandi. You should be ashamed of yourself. You're a joke on legs. An unfunny one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 04:25 AM

Hooray! You have the knack of it at last, Keith. Just keep believing that you have won something and the fact that we all know different need not spoil it.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 03:58 AM

Jim,
I have put three lots of links up indicating the massixve (your choice of word) problem that the establishme4nt has with paedophilia - including leading Tory politicians - you have ignored them all

I do not deny any of it Jim.
I ignored it because this thread is about UK politics. I do not believe that any party has a particular problem with it.

I did say "but the behaviour of those Labour councillors who kept it quiet was despicable."
I stand by it, and you agreed with me on it.

Steve,
Your replacement statement said an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT thing to your original claim that many prominent Labour Party members said that the Labour Party "is more antisemitic than any other."

It was the same. Many prominent Labour people including the leadership have said that Labour has a serious problem with anti-Semitism without accusing other parties of the same problem.
It is just Labour.

Who are theses hordes of prominent members?

If I was like you I would demand to know who ever claimed "hordes."
I certainly did not, but I am not desperate to find any fault with you however trivial.
I can just flatten you arguments and your case.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 09:05 PM

and Blair isn't? Sounds like you have a hard choice to make.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Shakey
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 07:31 PM

I don't wish her ill (literally) but she is a disgrace. She got the gig because she ticked the boxes. She's racist and she's not very bright.

All in all an embarrassment to the labour party.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 06:27 PM

Thanks MikeL2. You are a gentleman and a scholar :-) I must admit that I have no particular axe to grind for the esteemed Ms Abbot but I do think she has worked wonders against long odds and I admire her for that. Whatever anyone thinks of her, she does not deserve the hate and bile that has been heaped upon her.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 05:35 PM

Your replacement statement said an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT thing to your original claim that many prominent Labour Party members said that the Labour Party "is more antisemitic than any other." If you seriously think that that means the same thing as "Labour has a serious antisemitism problem" then you clearly are having severe difficulty with the English language. The far simpler explanation, and the one I've come to prefer, is that you are an inveterate liar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 01:53 PM

That Guinness should have read guińness!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 01:51 PM

Meanwhile on the Connemara another sessions beckons this evening. Last night we had banjo, mouthorgan, concertina, autoharp bodhran and several guitars, music from Ireland, England, Scotland and France, a great night. Tonight the landlord, a great bloke, will play guitar, mandolin,banjo, sings with a fantastic melodeon player, good business, what more could a man want?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 01:40 PM

"Not me then.
I do not claim that any party has a particular problem with it."
I have put three lots of links up indicating the massixve (your choice of word) problem that the establishme4nt has with paedophilia - including leading Tory politicians - you have ignored them all and gone on to make your facile accusations about Labour
"If you mean paedophilia, I don't either but the behaviour of those Labour councillors who kept it quiet was despicable."
Yes you Keith
You are incredibly stupid to put something up and deny it on the same thread, yet you do so constantly
Poncing off raped children, as you did with your "Muslim implants"
One real sicko
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 01:30 PM

You "withdraw." Well that didn't take long, did it, Keith.

My replacement statement said exactly the same thing.
It is only Labour that has a serious problem with anti-Semitism.

That shows how pathetically trivial your objection to my wording was.
I have made the same point with words even you can not challenge!

Who are theses hordes of prominent members?

People like the Deputy Leader, the Mayor of London and the entire NEC.

And why would they rattle on about other parties when the debate was within their own party?

Of course they would make the case that other parties had the same problem, if only it was true.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 01:23 PM

Jim,
No Labour party Jew has ever described supposed anti-Semitism

Yes they have. (E.g. Ruth Smeeth)

And still yuo refuse to acknowledge establishment paedophilia

I do, but this thread is about UK politics.

You are a predatory hypocrite who ponces on the suffering of raped children

A filthy lying piece of personal abuse that you will never substantiate with anything like a quote.
Utterly despicable and totally unacceptable.
I have not accused any party of paedophilia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 10:32 AM

Ah yes, boobs, the uncorroborated testimony of a single biased witness... prove that she wasn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 10:10 AM

Hi Dave

<" Cheap shot, Mike and I know it is beneath you.

Yeah I must have been feeling a bit nasty that day.

Dianne has never been a favourite of mine but that was a bloe below the belt.

Glad to hear she has overcome her illness

regards

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 10:09 AM

From Keith's link:

There's a certain section of his supporters, not all of them, that really struggle to understand that you can be a Jew and in the party and also support Israel without being a supporter of the right wing," said Hannah, who asked that her name not be used for fear for her safety. "It's black and white to them. If you have any sympathy for Israel, they are triggered and can't control themselves."

Hannah said that since Corbyn became the Labour Party's leader in 2015, she has received "countless" anti-Semitic messages on social media, including a particularly distressing photo of a man with a knife in his back and the caption, "Serves him right, he trusted a k---," using racial slur for someone of Jewish descent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 09:13 AM

You "withdraw." Well that didn't take long, did it, Keith. Just a couple of days to wrestle out of you the fact that you made something up and hoped you'd get away with it. And you did not withdraw with good grace. You prattle on about my nitpicking and "losing." You are a ridiculous man. Finally, your replacement statement is just as stupid. Who are theses hordes of prominent members? And why would they rattle on about other parties when the debate was within their own party? We know that you and Teribus like to indulge in that schoolyard "he does it as well, Miss!" stuff, but the rest of us are a bit more grown up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 08:28 AM

Also only Labour Party Jews have complained about their party's anti-Semitism.
No Labour party Jew has ever described supposed antisemitism other than linking it to criticism of Israel - which is not antisemitic
And still yuo refuse to acknowledge establishment paedophilia
Point made, I think
You are a predatory hypocrite who ponces on the suffering of raped children
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 08:15 AM

Jim,
"Jim, who are you addressing?"
The feller who has attempted to link the Labour Party to paedophilia yet refuses to even acknowledge the establishment's long history in the practice


Not me then.
I do not claim that any party has a particular problem with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 08:11 AM

"but many promininent members have said that it is (more anti-Semitic than any other)."

And they have, but not in so many words.

Having lost the actual debate you are again just desperately trying to get me on something, but all you can do is nit pick trivia.

OK.
I withdraw "but many promininent members have said that it is." and insert,
"but many promininent members have said that Labour has a serious problem with anti-Semitism which, they have not said about any other Party, and which no-one else has either"

Also only Labour Party Jews have complained about their party's anti-Semitism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 07:30 AM

Incidentally
The two "antisemitism links you provide
One is over a year old - nothing has been proved since then and nothing new has emerged
It was about criticism of Israel and BDS then and it still is
The more up-to-date link refers only to there not being enough Jewish candidates
Unfortunate, but not explained and not antisemitic
You are still grasping at straws - you always have
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 07:11 AM

"Jim, who are you addressing?"
The feller who has attempted to link the Labour Party to paedophilia yet refuses to even acknowledge the establishment's long history in the practice
Who the hell else would I be addressing Keith?
If the cap fits
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 06:09 AM

Oh yes you did claim that they said that specifically. For the umpteenth time:

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 25 Jul 17 - 11:27 AM

Dave,
"The Labour party is no more antosemitic than any other"

That is your opinion, but many promininent members have said that it is.


Clear as a bell. You said exactly that. Bang to rights. But now you can't back it up and you're refusing to admit your inexactitude. No list of many prominent members, no quotes. You are compounding your lie. Your behaviour, as ever, is scurrilous, dishonest and thoroughly disreputable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 05:00 AM

Jim, who are you addressing?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 05:00 AM

Still no response to establishment paedopheile
Hypocritical as it gets
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 04:59 AM

Dave, Why not.

Steve,
FAILED to provide a single name of a prominent Labour member who has said specifically that Labour is MORE ANTISEMITIC THAN ANY OTHER,

I never claimed they said that specifically.
They have said that Labour has a serious problem with anti-Semitism and not one of them has ever said that any other Party does.

Deny that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 04:51 AM

Dave, I am not asking you to discuss anything.
Just to clarify your views on Shah.


Why? What does it matter to you what I think about someone that neither of us even know? This is why I will not play your game. You have a hidden agenda that you will use to try to win your game. Whatever it is. I am no longer prepared to help you to play it. I have already given you the solution - You carry on believing that you have won. Easy.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 04:43 AM

(Oh God, this is fun...)

You're at it again, Keith. There is not a scintilla of doubt that you said that many prominent Labour members have said that Labour is more antisemitic than any other. You have tried to fudge around this. But you have FAILED to provide a single name of a prominent Labour member who has said specifically that Labour is MORE ANTISEMITIC THAN ANY OTHER, let alone the many such names required in order to support your claim. Nothing to do with "serious antisemitism problems" or the fact that they didn't also happen to mention other parties in the same breath, etc. (Why would they?) That is not what you claimed. You claimed that MANY PROMINENT MEMBERS SAID THAT LABOUR IS MORE ANTISEMITIC THAN ANY OTHER..Now either you come up with a long list of names of those many prominent members who said that, with quotes pertaining to those remarks they are supposed to have made, or we will conclude that you are up to your usual trick of making things up and hoping we won't notice. It's a vulgar and fraudulent tactic, Keith. In fact, it's telling lies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 04:23 AM

Guardian,
"Labour and the left have an antisemitism problem "
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/18/labour-antisemitism-jews-jeremy-corbyn

Just Labour Steve.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 04:20 AM

NBC, 1 hour ago,
"Anti-Semitism Claims Hound U.K.'s Labour Party Despite Rise in Polls"
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/anti-semitism-claims-hound-u-k-s-labour-party-despite-n781621

Just labour Steve.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 03:50 AM

These twots have had a go at antisemitism, misogyny, paedophelia - all a dead letter in the real world now
I really can't see the point in feeding the trolls - thay produce nothing but hate-filled extremism, they always have
"Do you not see anything wrong in that Jim? Putting more children at risk for political purposes?"
If it were true it is reprehensible
You have no concern for the welfare of children unless there is extremist right capital to be made from it
You have been given masses of reports involving high placed establishment individuals involved in child-rape, abuse and possible murder - not a frown, not a murmur, not even an acknowledgement - certainly no concern for the victims
You ride the victims of paedophelia as if they were chargers in your crusade against the Labour Party
You are one sick, sadistic extremist individual
More to ignore - you have had similar and your concern for child welfare is such that you chose to ignore them and press on with your hysterical campaign - children really do need concern such as yours to keep them safe
Jim Carroll

https://www.corbettreport.com/pedophiles-in-politics-an-open-source-investigation/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier

https://news.vice.com/article/did-the-british-establishment-cover-up-a-political-pedophile-ring-a-new-zealand-judge-will-decide

http://time.com/2974381/england-land-of-royals-tea-and-horrific-pedophilia-coverups/

https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/20520-the-u-k-government-pedophiles-who-got-away-with-spiritual-murder

http://www.newagora.ca/evidence-of-organized-pedophilia-and-child-trafficking-implicates-governments-media-churches-and-charities/


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