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BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Steve Shaw 10 Feb 17 - 08:38 PM
Teribus 11 Feb 17 - 06:28 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Feb 17 - 06:43 AM
Raggytash 11 Feb 17 - 06:53 AM
The Sandman 11 Feb 17 - 07:18 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Feb 17 - 07:24 AM
akenaton 11 Feb 17 - 07:53 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Feb 17 - 01:03 PM
Dave the Gnome 11 Feb 17 - 01:35 PM
Steve Shaw 11 Feb 17 - 02:15 PM
Dave the Gnome 12 Feb 17 - 04:30 AM
Steve Shaw 12 Feb 17 - 06:43 AM
Raggytash 12 Feb 17 - 06:57 AM
Steve Shaw 12 Feb 17 - 07:25 AM
Steve Shaw 12 Feb 17 - 07:39 AM
Dave the Gnome 12 Feb 17 - 08:39 AM
Steve Shaw 12 Feb 17 - 12:57 PM
Steve Shaw 12 Feb 17 - 01:58 PM
Raggytash 12 Feb 17 - 02:42 PM
Steve Shaw 13 Feb 17 - 06:24 PM
Keith A of Hertford 15 Feb 17 - 04:35 AM
Jim Carroll 15 Feb 17 - 04:57 AM
Steve Shaw 15 Feb 17 - 05:33 AM
Keith A of Hertford 15 Feb 17 - 06:39 AM
Raggytash 15 Feb 17 - 06:51 AM
Jim Carroll 15 Feb 17 - 06:57 AM
Steve Shaw 15 Feb 17 - 07:06 AM
Raggytash 15 Feb 17 - 07:06 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 08:38 PM

Keep meaning to get back to you on those Connemara orchids, Raggytash, but it's been one of those days when I keep getting waylaid. English names can be a right bugger. I'm off to the ballet tomorrow afternoon but I'll be back after that!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 06:28 AM

Courtesy of Matt in today's Telegraph:

Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
Labour's stuck with Corbyn
And I'm stuck with you


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 06:43 AM

Brilliant
That clinches the argument - or at least, indicates the level it is operating at
Where do you come up[ with this astounding logic Teribus?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 06:53 AM

A bit weak as a jest, but change the name it could be used for any politician, it'd still be weak though. I would have thought that the Telegraph might be above such juvenile prose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 07:18 AM

Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
Mays stuck with Brexit
And Trump is too.
another puerile ditty written in the style of McGonagle


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 07:24 AM

Must admit, I much prefer the Liverpool kids version:

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Shit stinks,
So do you

Much more to the point
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 07:53 AM

I think Mr T's irony was aimed at those who imagine that this thread is about horticulture.   :0)

"None so blind"....eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 01:03 PM

It may as well be about horticulture. Most things would grow very will given the amount of shite being heaped on it :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 01:35 PM

Steve - I remembered to look for an old piccie when I went to my Mum's earlier today. Ambrose Barlow Youth Club, probably 1968. I am 4th from the left on the front row looking particularly dapper in a brown herringbone jacket and fawn cavalry twills. I must also say looking pretty cool sandwiched between 2 rather nice young ladies:-) Father Sweeney is just left of centre, back row, and obviously not a youth but seemingly enjoying the proximity of the young lady to the right of me. I'll never get to heaven will I..?

I am experimenting with sharing stuff on Google+ so let me know if you can see it on this link.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 02:15 PM

Nice pic, Dave! Are you sure that Fr Sweeney's first name wasn't, appropriately looking at the photo, "Roger?" 😜


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 04:30 AM

I've never noticed the look of shock on her face or wondered why she had her hands behind her back until you mentioned that...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 06:43 AM

Are you sure he wasn't "a Swedish Sweeney Todd, the dirty sod?" 😇


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 06:57 AM

One area of the Connemara, Slyne Head (which boasts two lighthouses) is a place with a remarkable array of orchids. Frequently found are the Greater Butterfly Orchid which is stunningly beautiful in June and July.

http://www.caithness.org/fpb/2013/june/gallery.php?gallery=2&image=5


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 07:25 AM

I haven't forgotten about the orchids but I keep getting waylaid. I'll get my Atlas of the British Flora (Ireland covered) out as soon as I've watched Burnley hopefully slaughtering Chelsea, ko 12.30. Won't be doing much else today. I'm not going outside into that bloody freezing east wind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 07:39 AM

Damn. Ko is 1.30, not 12.30. Somebody duped me with fake news. Or was it an alternative fact. So I'm just off to shoehorn in a quick trip to Morrisons. This is a lot better than squabbling with the alt-right, innit!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 08:39 AM

Absofuckinglutely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 12:57 PM

Well the brave lads of Burnley held Chelsea at bay and their new signing scored a spectacular goal from a free kick. Just off to cook a pork fillet stuffed with Cumberland sausage meat and wrapped in streaky bacon that I got from Gloucester Services a bit back and put in the freezer. Cabbage, carrots and spuds roasted in ethical goose fat. Morrisons are selling a lovely Prosecco for a fiver. Could share a bottle of that. If I have room I'll finish with a nice Sicilian Nero d'Avola. I will have room.

Haven't forgotten the orchids!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 01:58 PM

The ethical goose, by the way, had never once been known to swear, act in a racist manner towards geese of other species, discriminate against mallards or try to goose a gander.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 02:42 PM

Just had a Duck breast for our Sunday Lunch. Sear in a dry pan till the skin is golden, then bake for 6 to 8 minutes in a hot even until rare. Serve on a bed of Kale, with deep friend potato cubes, edememe beans, a sauce made fro Meso paste, honey and water reduced to a good consistency and finally sprinkled with Sesame seeds.

Utterly delightful .......... with a glass of decent wine of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 17 - 06:24 PM

Raggytash, I've had my Atlas out and have made a list of the orchids likely to be found in Connemara. Here goes:

Rare in the area:
marsh helleborine
lesser twayblade
narrow-leaved marsh
fragrant
northern marsh
bee

In a good few sites:
common twayblade
autumn ladies' tresses
Irish ladies' tresses (but not near the coast)
greater butterfly
lesser butterfly
early purple (blotchy leaves, flowers in April)
common spotted
heath spotted
early marsh
pyramidal
frog
western marsh
green-winged

English names can be a bit of a nightmare but those ones are out of the Botanical Society's Atlas. Bet you can't find 'em all!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 04:35 AM

Sorry for the delay in answering. I have been on my travels again.
I watched Andrew Marr on Sunday. Plenty to discuss about Labour. Most of the programme. No need for a travelogue instead.


Jim,
Why wouldn't you - you have now accused the Jewish Parliamentarians of covering up antitemitism because "they all love their Party.
Probably the most antisemitic statement made of this forum.


As ever with your made up smears, no actual quote is produced.
You are lying about me again.
They covered nothing up. They reported it to their Party for the Party to deal with.
That is how it is done.
Those who complained about misogyny and homophobia in Labour did exactly the same, putting their complaints to the Party to be dealt with.

Dave,

Keith - If you want to dispute the findings of the poll then come up with a better one.


I did not dispute the findings, but your CAA survey only concerned itself with four old anti-Semitic clichés which had no bearing on the complaints coming out of Labour, which is what I said.

The CAA's own survey of the of 2,230 British Jews found that 56% felt that antisemitism in Britain has some echoes of the 1930s, which rose to 64% of Jewish people in the north of England.

Did you not get that far or did you purposely not mention that?


The other survey that you quoted found that most of the anti-Semitism comes from another minority ethnic group and is much rarer in the general population.

From your link,

"The group also carried out its own separate survey of British Jews, which found that 54% feared they had no future in the UK and that a quarter had considered leaving the country in the last two years.
The CAA described the research as "a wake-up call" following last week's terror attacks in France, in which the victims included four Jewish men who were killed in a Paris Kosher supermarket."

So their concern about anti-Semitism in UK, as in Europe, is linked to Islamist terror and not anti=Semitism in the general population.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 04:57 AM

Tell us some more about the flowers in Connemara and restore some sanity into this thread Raggy - please
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 05:33 AM

Keith's holidays never seem to do him much good. He says he isn't going to take this shit away with him. Poor chap can't seem to resist though.

Another spring-like day in Cornwall after a damp night. The great tits are already feeling territorial. Funny to think that what we regard as their beautiful singing is actually them threatening their rivals and telling them to bugger off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 06:39 AM

I did not take it with me Steve, I came home to it.
Dave and Jim put some points to me after I left, so now I have answered them. Is that wrong?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 06:51 AM

In late May and throughtout June the road sides and boggy ground are awash with glorious Yellow Flag Iris. In some areas there are literally thousands of them growing wild. These together with Dog Daisy provide a wonderful backdrop wherever you travel. It really is very beautiful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 06:57 AM

Have you managed to travel out to any of the small islands Rag?
Did you know that the film maker who worked with MacColl and Seeger, Phillip Donnelan, once owned Mason Island?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 07:06 AM

Interestingly, the word "orchid" is derived from the ancient Greek word for "testicle." The connection is that the tubers of many orchid species look very much like assemblages of the aforementioned male appendages. Oddy, "orchestra" has a completely different derivation. In ancient Greek or Roman theatres, the orchestra was a semicircular area at the front of the theatre where the chorus resided, often getting up to dance.

As we all know, many people on Mudcat talk bollocks. But now Raggytash and I are delighting, when exchanging notes on orchids, in talking literal bollocks. Very amusing! Well I think so anyway! The only people who disagree are those who talk the other kind of bollocks. They must think they have a monopoly on bollocks. Well bollocks to 'em, say I!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 07:06 AM

I have visited Inishmore briefly and Inishbofin more than briefly. I've been invited to Inishbofin later this year to join in a weekend long session with some of the fine musicians off the Connemara who travel over each summer.

Innisnee now has a bridge across to it as do Lettermore and Lettercallow.

Further afield I have stayed on Achill twice, a wonderful place and Belmullet both accessible now by bridge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 07:11 AM

You have a lot of royal fern out there too, Raggytash. I remember the excitement when I found just a couple of tiny sprigs of it growing out of the canal wall in Radcliffe. Then we went to Ireland and it was everywhere!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 09:01 AM

Jim, you accused me of making, "Probably the most antisemitic statement made of this forum."

I have shown that to be lying bollocks, to use Steve's expression, and you are unable to respond. You can only prattle on about flowers and such.
I find your lies and evasions despicable.

We have had real anti-Semitic posts from you. Would you like to be reminded?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 09:09 AM

I've never used the expression "lying bollocks" in my life. Saying that I have is just lying bollocks. And there's a first.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 09:14 AM

"I have never used the expression lying bollocks in my life"

Until now Steve, until now :-)

I'll keep an eye out for Royal Fern


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 09:20 AM

Could we be in for a revolution in language here? Will "lying bollocks" replace "made-up shit?" Can it gain currency? Any suggestions for replacements for "baseless accusations" and "spittle-flecked rants?" What about a new term for "you lose?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 09:22 AM

Steve, you used the expression "bollocks" in your earlier post.
That is what I referred to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 09:24 AM

""lying bollocks"
I suppose it depends which side you dress on Steve - personally, I favour the left.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 09:26 AM

Bollocks is not the same as lying bollocks is it. In this case you are talking both.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 09:40 AM

The pack of jackals still stalking their prey I see and no moderation to be seen......hmm, I wonder why that is?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 09:49 AM

There is a very simple solution Bobad. Refrain from posting lies and bollocks.

Simples.............


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 09:59 AM

"The pack of jackals still stalking their prey"
it seems our prey is stalking us Bobad.
He chose to re-humiate himself, we were happy to leave him where he was.
Moderation - for ***** sake, we are attempting to ignore him
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 10:04 AM

Or better yet, Bobad - refrain from posting, period.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 10:27 AM

I know I shall not take or bring back any of this crap over the weekend. Not sure why it has been spewed forth again here really. Surely all that has had to be said has been, well, ...said.

Some lovely pictures of the Tornado crossing Ribblehead viaduct appearing on the Yorkshire Dales Facebook page. Which is better or worse for the local flora and fauna, Steve? Steam or Diesel?

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 11:49 AM

In the wide open spaces of upper Ribblesdale, Dave, I doubt that it makes much difference. Sod it. Enjoy the puffer train!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 11:59 AM

"Or better yet, Bobad - refrain from posting, period."
Unless he'd like to comment on Keith's antisemitic claim of a Jewish Parliamentarian's 'Pact of Silence'
Don't suppose there's much chance of that!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 12:44 PM

Dave,
Not sure why it has been spewed forth again here really. Surely all that has had to be said has been, well, ...said.

No Dave. Both you and Jim put points to me which I failed to respond to because I was away.
Neither of you withdrew your points so I responded as soon as I could.

You have both chided me in the past when you thought I had failed to respond to points put to me by yourselves.

Rag,
Bollocks is not the same as lying bollocks is it. In this case you are talking both

Care to identify any lie or anything false (bollocks) that I have posted Rag?
No. How could you? You are just making shit up.

I did not suggest that Steve used the expression "lying bollocks."
He used the expression "bollocks" five times in just two lines of his earlier post.
That is what I referred to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 12:53 PM

Jim,
Unless he'd like to comment on Keith's antisemitic claim of a Jewish Parliamentarian's 'Pact of Silence'
Don't suppose there's much chance of that!


How could he?
It is a lie that I have ever made such a claim.

You have made such a nasty and anti-semitic claim though Jim.

Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 07:56 PM
"Can you describe the antisemitism that is taking place and the numvbers concerned Keith
No - of course you can't - the Jewish members have entered into a pact of silence to hide it.
Game over I think Keith"


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 01:04 PM

A quote from the National Chair of Labour Students, yesterday.

"Labour Students, the Jewish Labour Movement and the Union of Jewish Students are coming together on Monday at Oxford University Labour Club to launch the start of a series of training sessions on tackling anti-Semitism in Labour Clubs and on campus.

With sessions planned at Bangor, Stirling, Leeds, Sheffield, Durham, KCL, Bristol and many more, we hope this will bring the positive changes the student movement urgently needs.

"It's taken over a year for the students at Oxford University Labour Club to receive a response from the Labour Party
and for a decision to be made on the cases of anti-Semitism – a year in which Jewish students have had to consistently fight to define their own oppression."

Read more,
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/solidarity-with-jewish-students-its-time-for-deeds-as-well-as-words/


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 01:07 PM

No Dave. Both you and Jim put points to me which I failed to respond to because I was away.
Neither of you withdrew your points so I responded as soon as I could.


Whether you chose to respond to anything is entirely up to you, Keith, but seeing as no one had even mentioned that you had not even posted for a few days I think it highly unlikely that anyone would have chided you.

Been anywhere of interest BTW? Hope it was pleasure rather than necessity.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 01:19 PM

Tell you what, lads. Let's have a six-month long quarrel about whether Keith meant bollocks or lying bollocks. That should be fun, and, who knows, by the end of it he might have forgotten all about "L.b..r's ant.s..it.sm pr.bl.m." Wheeee!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 01:30 PM

But bollocks can be fun. Especially talking complete bollocks in the pub. When it is utter bollocks or lying bollocks it can lean toward the disparaging. I think we initially need to define a proper meaning for both 'lying' and 'bollocks' before we can discuss anything about them either individually or collectively. We know from experience that unless the guidelines are drawn up clear and concisely in the first place different meanings will be placed on them by different people and there will, of course, only be one winner.

Now, is that bollocks, lying bollocks or alt truth? I have lost the plot and maybe the will to live...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 02:08 PM

Oh, and 400! On a completely non-bollical note (pun intended) I just played through Constant Billy, Fanny Power, Planxty Irwin and the Jenny Lind Polka better than I have ever done before. Wonder if I can only play tunes with a y in them?


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