BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 08:03 PM

You've just told us that you've been a member of a party you appear to hate for forty years. You tell us what you hate but there's not a word about what you've done to change things. Do apprise us.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Shakey
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 07:49 PM

"Or do what you do, stay put and whinge."

You have no idea what I do, I have no idea about you but I'm learning.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 07:36 PM

Well why are you in it, then? Get out there and bloody well fight to get it changed. Get down to your local branch and meet the grassroots members and give them hell. The Labour Party is not bigger than its grassroots. I've never in my life been a member of anything that there wasn't a lot wrong with. You have a choice. Roll your sleeves up, get involved and change it. Or just get out. Or do what you do, stay put and whinge. The latter is known as the Chuka Umunna syndrome.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Shakey
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 07:23 PM

I remember the '80s, the idiot in Coventry, the idiot in Liverpool. I won't dignify them with names but I understand at least one of them has applied to re-join. Jesus it was a struggle to remove MT & clean up the party and now it has to be done again.

But they won't win in the end 'cause they're wrong :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 07:14 PM

Nice to see an LP member with integrity on the forum, Shakey.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 06:31 PM

Meanwhile here on the Connemara there have been sessions going in eight of the pubs, three of which are still on-going at 11.30 and will be for a while yet.

The sun has been shining all day, good conversation in the bars, no bitterness no bile ..........

Now which would I prefer to discuss ............ no contest the beauties of this area without doubt.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Shakey
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 06:17 PM

I've been member of the LP since '76, currently it's a cesspit with idiots in charge.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 04:52 PM

I'm a member of the party, I can spell its name and I'm critical about a lot of what goes on. But I'm not giving the likes of Keith the oxygen he needs to go to town on the party
because he has a one-track mind and he's a bigot. I like your posts, Donuel, but this last one is not your finest hour.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 04:43 PM

Has this ever been about the labor party?

I think you are all blind.
If you are blind you do NOT SEE.

Steve; a NOT SEE
Greg; a NOT SEE
You're all NOT SEES ;^)

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 04:34 PM

We "comment on the issues" until we're blue in the face. Been there, done it, got ten thousand t-shirts. There comes a time when sane people realise that you are not worth discussing things with. Your mind is fixed from the outset. You think that you're the debating dog's bollocks. You tell people who disagree with you that they lose. It's stupid, Keith. You're on your own. Why don't you ring Naz and ask her to marry you?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 02:40 PM

I have commeneted on the issues many times. The Labour party is no more antosemitic than any other organisation. I have linked a survey that backs that up but you did not believe that. I said that Shah was a prat (note not just a prat) but you did not believe that. A discusion such as this also calls the contributors to account. I have done that but you did not like it. I wish to calm things down by discussing things far more pleasant than politics. You don't. I refuse to be drawn into circular arguments about things I have already made clear. You, for some reason, want to repeat the same old shite ad infinitum. You want to play by your own rules. I don't. End of.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 01:47 PM

Agree? Not with you.
I do not approve of abuse.

Please tell us if you agree with Steve that Shah did not advocate transporting Jews when she freely admits she did?

Why do you come to this thread when you never comment on the issues, only on the contributors?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 12:07 PM

Just so long as you agree that all abuse is wrong, the reason for it does not matter. The volume of it does and if you check the ammount emenating from inanes against that emenating from anyone else I think you will be quite alarmed to have him as an ally.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 11:12 AM

Dave, I disapprove of abuse, but Ians' can not be linked to losing a debate as yours can.
Steve, one thing I do have in common with Ians is a contempt for your bullying attempts to dominate this thread as so many others.

That's just a random piece of opinion from The Times, Iains,

No Steve. Corbyn has been criticised widely for changing his stance on student debt.

guardian,
"Jeremy Corbyn denies promising to wipe graduates' student debts
Labour leader said before election he would 'deal with' debts, but now says that was not a commitment to write them off"
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jul/23/jeremy-corbyn-denies-promising-to-wipe-student-debts

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 09:55 AM

Another great day at the Regatta yesterday, the weather was sublime, barely a cloud in the sky and the sight of Galway Hookers (no naughty comments please) racing down the bay keeled over in the breeze was breath-takingly beautiful.

They are truly fantastic vessels and achieve a very good rate of knots, some of those racing were over 100 years old though you'd not know it to look at them.

In addition there were some Naomhogs a smaller version of the hooker and plenty of currach racing.

A lovely, lovely day.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 08:51 AM

Good bit of albatross with some abuse thrown in here

Monty Python live at the Hollywood Bowl

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 08:37 AM

...to claim post 3310, The Saddle! Next stop, Liathach at the magic number 3456!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 08:36 AM

And I am now swooping in....

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 08:35 AM

Your Mam Tor one was a masterstroke, Dave! Eyam peeved I didn't think of it first!

You have a lot more in common with Iains than you think, Keith. I know how embarrasssing it must be.

That's just a random piece of opinion from The Times, Iains, which comes from the same stable as The Sun. I see that the right wing still haven't learned their lesson from the election campaign that trying to tie albatrosses around Corbyn's neck was the shortcut to losing a Commons majority. They all seemed to fall off, didn't they. Including the one that poor Keith is still trying to reattach with a piece of sellotape.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 07:40 AM

So do you condemn his abuse as well?

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 07:31 AM

Dave, I know that you and your friends always resort to abuse and name calling when you have no other reply.

Ians is quite new to me. We have little in common.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 07:03 AM

Dave, you called me "a devious sociopath" so do not complain to me about other people's abusiveness.

And you stated I had shitty morals and told me to fuck off, Keith but let us not get bogged down with who started what. I am not complaining, Just wondering if you will join me in condemning Inanes tirade of abuse against me and Steve or do you not believe that abuse is an indication of having lost an argument when someone who is supporting you resorts to it?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 06:55 AM

Keith. I don't give a monkey's flying fart about those two issues in the context of this thread.

If you mean paedophilia, I don't either but the behaviour of those Labour councillors who kept it quiet was despicable.
I do not believe Labour has a particular problem with it.

I do believe they have a particular problem with anti-Semitism because so many prominent and authoritative Labour people have said they do.

You were prepared to discuss that, and you denied that Shah advocated transporting the Jews out of M.E. even though she freely admits she did.
You called me a liar over it.
Why will you not admit you were wrong to do that?

Dave, you called me "a devious sociopath" so do not complain to me about other people's abusiveness.

Why will you not say if you agree with Steve that Shah did not advocate transporting Jews when she freely admits she did?

Why do you come to this thread when you never comment on the issues, only on the contributors?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 06:53 AM

Always somewhere nice when not in the office, Steve. Airedale if nowhere else :-) The office itself is OK it is just the environs that leave a lot to be desired!

I think we should continue to let him make a Devil's Arse of himself. I am sure it is not what his Mam Tor-t him but if he can Rushup and Speedwell to oblivion this place will be much happier. As to who will Win and Lose, we can only Hope they get the pun.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 06:35 AM

From the Times: a well established source of false news for the ferrets.

"During the general election campaign, Jeremy Corbyn thought Labour's tuition fee policy was one of the finest feathers in his cap. But as the policy unravels, it is increasingly looking like an albatross around his neck."

I also notice Shaw you chose not to correct Joe's statement about the age of consent. That also could be elaborated on. I am surprised a vacuous pedant such as yourself would let such an opportunity pass you by.
However nit picking was not germane to the thrust of his argument, as was not mine. Have you chosen which thread you will poison next with the aid of your motley crew?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 06:32 AM

He could certainly be "Kinder" in his posts, Dave. In fact, unless he improves we should shun him. And I can be a "Great Shunner" when I want to be. Anyway, enough of this "Bleak, low" form of humour. Don't want to "Dent" his ego too much. Catch you later, me old "Cove." Are you "Wharfe" anywhere nice this afternoon, by the way?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 06:24 AM

The Labour manifesto is still available for download (as is the Conservative manifesto).

So if you really want to, it is easy to check what was in the manifesto, rather than rely on third party interpretations.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 06:03 AM

pRoBaBly

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 05:54 AM

Do you mean his peak district comment, Dave? 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 05:26 AM

I was going to correct him on the Peak District comment as well Steve but if I am on Penyghent I would prefer him to be in the Peak District.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 05:18 AM

It is not a U-turn. The alleged policy was never in Labour's manifesto and his remarks during the campaign were misrepresented by the right-wing tabloids. You went ballistic yesterday when I corrected you over your uninformed statement concerning the age of consent. You haven't learned. I suggest that you resort to slightly more balanced sources that the Sun and Standard, both of which embed smears in their "reporting."

Putting right-wing spin on stuff isn't unique to Keith, Dave!

Do try to keep your blood pressure down as you type the inevitable insulting ranting response to this, Iains, and try to remember that you're impressing nobody. One day you'll look back at your your posting behaviour over the last couple of days and wish to God that Mudcat had a retrospective delete button.

By the way, if anyone wants to read about the disastrous impact of Cameron's referendum catastrophe, take a look at the Guardian's Brexit Watch item today. Real income down, productivity crashing, the falling pound causing inflation, borrowing up, growth grinding to a halt. The double-page spread is full of unalloyed factual information, Iains, as well as expert analysis. Now that's a source - only one source, of course, but I'd back it over those shabby tabloids of yours any day.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 05:13 AM

I celebrate this abuse as an admission of your defeat in debate.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 04:38 AM

Corbyn for PM:- God help us.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4082787/jeremy-corbyns-u-turn-on-tuition-fees-debt-is-jaw-dropping-and-only-a-ruse-to-persuade-vot

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-urged-to-apologise-to-graduates-over-uturn-on-student-debt-a3594076.html

Must be a hell of an ideology for the ferrets to support it. Notice two sources in case they want to claim it is false news. I really need some help to make a cage for them, they would be 10 times worse if they went feral.

No doubt the follow up will be about.weeds or wobbling their carcasses around the peak district.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 17 - 04:19 AM

Inanes - I see you did not take any notice of your mate.

From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 08:26 AM
...
They see the abuse you dish out. I celebrate it as an admission of your defeat in debate, but most normal people are put off by it.


Keith. I hope you are going to join me in admonishing the poster of the abuse above.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 02:26 PM

And the most hilarious quote of the day from stevie " I puke in your general direction."Chunder

"We waste a lot of energy here checking the accuracy of what people say when they could have afforded us the good manners to check it for themselves first"

I had to sit down I was laughing so hard. Best entertainment in days. Hard to believe the twerp was being serious. Is he guilty of substance abuse or what???????

You smug, posturing, silly little man! You are so incredibly stupid you cannot see just how pathetic that appears to the more rational of us here. I give you 10 out of 10 and a gold star for self delusion. Perhaps your medication is in severe need of revision. Better call out jimmy and the wrinkled gnome for a little support you sad diminutive dwarf.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 12:12 PM

You really aren't getting this, are you, Keith. I don't give a monkey's flying fart about those two issues in the context of this thread. Do you know why? Because you clearly have ulterior motives for dredging up the stories and I don't wish to be drawn into your stupid little game. When I meet normal, balanced people with honest and open minds I discuss these issues or issues like them. But I'm not discussing them with you because you are closed-minded and have one aim only, to smear the Labour Party. You and your sorry Tory ilk need to realise that smearing Labour has just lost you your majority. It's yesterday's tactic, Keith, and the fact that you won't give it up makes you yesterday's man.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 10:36 AM

SOS    dit dit dit dah dah dah dit dit dit

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 10:18 AM

Steve, you dismissed the story because it was in the Manchester Evening News.
The scandal was not that Labour had a paedo. Every organisation does.
The scandal was that they kept it quiet thereby putting more kids at risk.
Are you happy with that?
Had you acknowledged or even ignored the story I would have left it.
But you denied it was a story.

You also denied that Shah advocated transporting the Jews out of M.E. even though she freely admits she did.
You called me a liar over it.
Why will you not admit you are wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 09:36 AM

How many? How many out of 552000? Name them! Come along, every single one. As an honest member of the party I want to know the scale of the problem!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 09:34 AM

A little ditty for stevie chunder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNZzJELbFRI

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 09:27 AM

Stevie boy.Pointing out that the Labour party has some very dubious members scattered throughout it's ranks is offering a public service. You should appreciate it instead of responding to every post like a rabid ferret on steroids. Have you been in the sun too long or did a rabbit bite your nose last time you ventured down a burrow?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 09:12 AM

Give. it up, Keith. The game's up. There's nothing honest about your approach. You want to smear the Labour Party with whatever trivial bit of dirt you can dig up. Well I'm a member, and I and the other 552000 members resent the likes of you hypocritically ignoring the major moral issues in your right-wing organisations and homing in on what are, in the overall scheme of things, near-irrelevancies. By the way, I haven't denied anything about Bury Council. You made that up. So what's new.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 08:26 AM

Steve,
You can't force people to discuss what YOU want to discuss.

No, and unlike you people I would not try.
Instead of just avoiding a discussion that is not going your way, you and your gang swamp it with off subject posts and intimidate decent folks from joining.

They see the abuse you dish out. I celebrate it as an admission of your defeat in debate, but most normal people are put off by it.

You deny that Shah advocated the transportation of Jews from the Mid.East even though she freely admits that she did.
You called me a liar over it.
It is reasonable then for me to ask you to back your accusations.
Your problem is that you can't, so you try to silence the debate.

Jim,
""A paedophile inquiry into a Labour politician was deliberately delayed by senior council officers nthe poll."
JAY-SUS!!!

Do you not see anything wrong in that Jim?
Putting more children at risk for political purposes?

Of course there are paedos in every group, but those people kept it quiet not even telling the schools he was involved with.

If you had acknowledged that was wrong, or just ignored it, I would not have followed it up.

But Steve denied it as he denies what Shah said.
You lie to protect your ideology, because you are told "The end justifies the means."

And you call honest folk liars, while blatantly lying for your worthless creed.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 07:40 AM

Leave him to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 07:31 AM

I think it's just you, Steve. He loves you :-)

Took the grandsons swimming this morning and then onto the zipwire just outside the leisure centre. Airville Park in Skipton is a lovely place for all but especially for kids. Back home for a first for me. Son #3 and I had kedgeree for breakfast. Really enjoyed it. Having fish for tea later too as we are being invaded by pescatarians. Good job I like fish :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 07:26 AM

Labour the party of the people !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/labour-fined-20000-for-undeclared-election-spending-including-for-ed-stone

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/13/revealed-labour-mp-faced-criminal-charges-election-expenses/


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10462871/Its-no-coincidence-the-MPs-found-guilty-of-fiddling-are-all-Labour.html

https://order-order.com/2016/10/25/labour-given-maximum-fine-expenses-fraud-mcnicol-committed-offence/

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 06:54 AM

Barking mad. And he's on a campaign in three separate threads. Hope his home life is happier...

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 06:48 AM

No gratuitous abuse from this Gnome. Do you know what gratuitous means?

done without good reason; uncalled for.

Find any abuse that was without good reason or uncalled for from me. I shall not hold my breath.

Have any of your postings actually added anything to the thread?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 06:33 AM

Jim the solution is quite straightforward. If you, Stevie chunder, Gnome and their acolytes did not hurl out gratuitous abuse at everyone that holds a contrary view, there would be no need for the responses generated. It is quite clear to anyone following these threads that you are all there to bully, bluster, insult and gang up on all who dispute your view of the world.
I have been dealing with your sort all my working life. I know precisely how to deal with you.

You all share the arrogance of feeling that you dictate the subject matter and content of this forum and no other views at variance will be tolerated. You actuslly boast about destroying threads and chuntering on about any subject that jumps to mind when you are bored with the argument or cannot counter it. Most irritatingly, prior to jumping off at a tangent, you all throw insults about like confetti. This is typical trolling behaviour. "First, trolls are more likely to display noxious personality characteristics, that is, traits that impair one's ability to build relations and function in a civilised or pro-social way. In a comprehensive examination of their psychological profile, trolls were found to be more Machiavellian (impulsive and charming manipulators), psychopathic (cold, fearless and antisocial), and especially sadist than the overall population. Trolls enjoy harming and intimidating others, so much so that the authors of this study concluded that trolls are "prototypical everyday sadists", and that trolling should be regarded as online sadism. This is in line with the view of trolling as a form of cyberbullying."
I recognise certain character traits above that describe you all to a T.
What a totally unsavoury bunch you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 17 - 05:03 AM

More ill brought up abuse here
Give it ****** rest Iains
Jim Carroll