BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 02:43 AM

Lister Park was covered in a carpet of crocuses this morning. Looks spectacular. Germane? Look up Lister's Mill and the Labour movement :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:16 AM

Finished with your dishonest claim that accusations of Islamophobia was fukky investigated in any way shape or form by the Tories, Teribus
You do put 'em up to be knocked down, don't you?
Islamophobia is a far greater threat to the well-being of British citizens than antisemitism is, or ever was in recent history.
Britain welcomed Jews fleeing the Nazis, modern day Britain is happy to turn fleeing refugees back into war-zones facilitated by weapons we have sold to terrorist despots.
WE fill our shops with goods manufactured in death-traps by workers working at near slave conditions and wages. and we turn away economic refugees fleeing from the poverty we are helping create.
The West has gone through a long period of dehumanisation during my lifetime, and the main culprit has bot been The Labour Party (New Labour excepted), but the racist and misogynist Tories
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:24 AM

Well never mind, Teribus. Just think: the burgeoning spring and the infinite variety of nature on show as the seasons advance mean that we never have to repeat, revisit or rehash the same old tedium and same old lies again and again and again. You say I can't, I say I won't. Had enough, old boy. Say what you like. Unfortunately, Dave, we are not sharing your pleasant weather and colourful outlook this morning. We have heavy drizzle and I can hardly see fifty yards across my garden. But the long-tailed tits are mobbing the feeders and it's going to be one of those days for looking at things nearby. Just going out to chuck a few handfuls of seeds out for the birdies! Jolly! 🙂

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:31 AM

Very well said Teribus, and while I have time, did you ever see a more illustrative example of the "liberal elite" in anti democratic action as in the House of Lords yesterday?

The whole charade is simply a cover to deflect and overturn the result of the EU referendum by making the coming negotiations inoperable.
The House of Commons is packed with "jobsworths" who care for little but their own financial future and the Lords amendment brought by a lawyer......for f*** sake!!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:40 AM

Do you people not feel a little ashamed of yourselves? If one cannot find anything relevant to say, most adults in that position would move on to another subject which is of interest to them .

I notice that the present tactic, thought up by the witty and intelligent Steve, is intended to "sort them out". It fails miserably and makes those who contribute in this manner look extremely and embarrassingly stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:42 AM

"The House of Commons is packed with "jobsworths""
And the Labour exchanges will be packed with the unemployed who will lose their Jobs because the French have bought up Vauxhalls and have nowhere to go because of Brexit
You people......!!!
Tories, every las one of you
Democracy only works when it is helping screw working people - then we need a Trump!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:52 AM

If one cannot find anything relevant to say, most adults in that position would move on to another subject which is of interest to them .

Which is exactly what I am doing. Unlike those who repeat the same thing over and over (and over and over and over) again. This stopped becoming a discussion round about post number 1.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 04:21 AM

Well then Shaw I don't think that you are the one that should be bringing up the subject of lies, having been exposed as a proven liar yourself - Pot, kettle, black?

Only trouble is you (Or any of your pals for that matter) can never find or give any examples of lies told by either myself, or anyone else you cast that accusation at.

You must have felt on much safer ground standing in front of a class of school kids who couldn't answer back eh?

One thing that has been sorted out though Shaw - you and your little gang now turn and bolt far faster thanever whenever your "mobbing" attempts are confronted these days. Go ahead chaps huddle together and chatter away inanely on whatever off topic subject you like. As Ake says you just make yourselves look the idiots you undoubtedly are.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 05:03 AM

"Do you people not feel a little ashamed of yourselves? "
Talk to your friend Keith - he has made the most effort to keep this thread alive
It is he who has used this thread to keep up his attack on the left - should suit extremists like yourself right down to the ground
If you have nothing to say here, go away
We'' get enough censorship if your fuehrer Trump ever gets his way
Do you not feel more than a little ashamed of the blanket support you have given him?
Rhetorical question!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 05:10 AM

Looks like you are sending the weather up here, Steve. Damn you! Still, it will remain a lot pleasanter than the rank atmosphere here.

Eeeeh, fancy. Ake saying that we look stupid. From a man who believes that Donald Trump and Nigel Farage are the true socialists I would take that as a compliment. If he were to agree with anything I said I would know for certain it was wrong and change my mind immediately :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 05:19 AM

The subject of this particular thread is: Uk Labour Party discussion II

"If you have nothing to say here, go away" - Jim Carroll

What a great pity it is Jim that you and your pals just don't heed your own advice.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 06:09 AM

It must be very uncomfortable to have one's knickers in a twist all the while.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 06:11 AM

Dave, have you been "channelling" Jim?

Where on this forum have I ever said President Donal -John, or Mr Farage, were any kind of socialist?

I expect lies and misrepresentations from Jim, but this is surely a new tactic in YOUR armoury.

I admire people of many different views...one doesn't have to always agree, to respect aspects of character.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 06:13 AM

Or see forward to long term outcomes.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 06:22 AM

Sorry, ake. My apologies. It is indeed more complex than I said. You have not described Trump and Farage as socialists. You describe yourself as a socialist and then go on to say you believe that the terrible twosome are doing a good job and admire them even though they are the the epitome of right wing, anti-socialist politicians. If that is not a sign of someone who does not know his arse from his elbow I don't know what is. Excuse me for being confused.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 06:41 AM

Very well put Teribus, 08 Mar 17 - 02:14 AM, spot on observation and analysis, you've nailed it in one post.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 07:09 AM

Hello Bobad, let's have a look at some of your recent posts shall we.

"and they try to pretend there is no pack ...lolololol"

"your obsession with me says otherwise but you're probably just playing hard to get"

"Hey Shaw, love the self portraits, they capture your essence, if you know what I mean"

"Hypocrisy from a blatant anti-semite? How shocking"

"Come on Jimmy, take defeat like a man"

"Touche Keith"

"Lol... but I am compelled to make it so by some unseen power, must be them dastardly Jews again"

Not what I would think of as erudite and learned.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 07:17 AM

Sorry to cause you such angst, annoyance, bitterness and frustration, Bill. But, you see, nothing useful is being discussed here apropos of the alleged thread topic. Just you and Keef pushing your agendas. So we may as well diversify. Let's go ride bikes!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 07:31 AM

I have just ordered a bike shelter from Amazon. Free up some space in the shed and keep the bikes dry. My bike is a bit of a dinosaur, like me I suppose. May get a new hybrid this year but that presupposes I will be fit enough to ride it!

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 07:42 AM

Hybrids are the way to go unless you want to do a Wiggins. And no bloody Lycra!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:15 AM

Aaaarrrghghgh !!!

Dave in Lycra ..................not something I want to consider ever again !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:19 AM

How about cling film?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:23 AM

Hey, he's talking about you, jackals:

I'm calling out the loons who make Israel bashing the mother of all virtues

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:40 AM

WTF are you on about poobad?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 08:59 AM

Stick to the Lycra ............................ please!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 09:25 AM

I have always said that if we seek abetter and fairer system in the future, we must do so by including all shades of political opinion, division will make the task impossible.

President Trump and Mr Farage are both anti the current establishment, which has outlived any usefulness it may have had.

The Labour Party are "reformers" as establishment as they come, I have more faith in Mrs May's Conservatives to keep up with what is actually happening in the Western hemisphere.

I am and always will be a socialist but have enough intelligence to understand that socialism will not come about till the time is right, in fact all the old labels are redundant as the new order becomes clear. As I have said before socialism will not be a "pleasant choice", it will be an absolute necessity.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 09:45 AM

Adolph Hitler was also purported to be anti-establishment but as a socialist who supports nationalism I suppose you also admire him. Trump and Farage are as establishment as they come. They are selling you the same lie that political con men have been selling for millennia and sadly you are still buying it. They have your interest at heart as much as Genghis Khan did.

Socialist my arse.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 09:49 AM

The Gnome's new bike:

Gnome goes cycling

I thought the mental picture of the Gnome toddling about the hills and dales with a knapsack on his back was funny enough - but him on a bike!!! Priceless, just priceless.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 09:59 AM

See, Teribus, you can have fun! You should try it more often :-) Here is an odd coincidence for you though. One of my bikes is a Ridgeback Attache! Good bikes. Mine needs some fettling but once done it should be perfectly rideable again. Thanks for reminding me.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 10:00 AM

It needs a holder for a fishing rod, Gnomes invariably have fishing rods.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 10:03 AM

Actually teri it's very considerate of you to include stabilisers, he might need those when cycling home from the pub !

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 10:10 AM

Whose knickers are in a twist Raggy? Certainly not mine.

Do you ever review your own posts Raggy? You post very frequently yet never seem to say anything, even when you try to stay on topic, when what you say is ill-informed and incorrect.

I take it that you do realise that that place in that college in Oxford was a waste don't you - you robbed some perfect stranger of a chance in a lifetime as I am sure they would have put that education to far better use than you seem to have done judging by your input here.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 10:10 AM

It's not always a fishing rod, Raggy :-D

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 11:30 AM

If I considered the c**p that goes on here to be of any importance I may have maded a greater effort, but seeing as it is so facile, an has such a low base level I really can't be arsed. Just like winding people up I suppose when I've got a little time to waste.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 11:50 AM

" Just like winding people up I suppose when I've got a little time to waste." - Raggy

Precisely, but you do seem to have an awful lot of time to waste. On the "winding people up" Raggy, how come you're so poor at it? I mean for someone educated at Oxford?

Thanks the picture of your bike Gnome, my little sister had one vaguely similar to that in the late 60s.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 12:21 PM

I refer you to my post regarding twisted knickers, seems like they're still in a knot.

Love you, kissy, kissy

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 01:08 PM

Jim,
"was investigated and found to be groundless."
Utter crap - there is no evidence that it was ever discussed
...
The fforts you have made to probve the non existent Antisemitism in Labour makes you a total hypocrite

Bollocks Jim!
Guardian yesterday,
"Labour members may be expelled over claims of antisemitism and bullying
Jackie Walker, Marc Wadsworth and Paul Davis face top disciplinary body after being suspended from party"

"Momentum's former vice-chair Jackie Walker has been formally referred to Labour's highest disciplinary body for possible expulsion over comments she made about Holocaust Memorial Day.
Labour's national executive committee (NEC) also referred several other members who had been suspended from the party over the summer. Among those were: Paul Davis, the vice-chair of the local party in Wallasey, who was referred over allegations of bullying and intimidation during the leadership challenge by local MP Angela Eagle; and Marc Wadsworth, a party activist who, at the launch of a report into Labour and antisemitism, challenged Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth that she was working "hand in hand" with the media."

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 01:09 PM

Damn! I knew I must have been ripped off paying £400 for it. I should have just nicked one like, presumably, your sister did.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 01:18 PM

"What a great pity it is Jim that you and your pals just don't heed your own advice."
I am quite happy to hang around to see yo two squirmingly humiliate yourself
"President Trump and Mr Farage are both anti the current establishment, "
They most certainly are not
The establisment is based on support for the haves at the expense of the lesser well of
It is utter nonsense that this is what these pair stand for
The are using the discontent of ordinary people and challenging it away from those who are to blame for the state of Britain today - divide and rule is a classic tactic of the stablishment
While we are blaming the less fortunate - in this case, immigrants and refugees, Trump and his billionaire friends are laughing all the way to the bank
Utter madness to suggest that either of these fascists are in any way beneficial to Britain or America.
The real beneficiaries are scum like LePen and Wilders, who are likely to push the world even nearer another holocaust, if they have their way
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 02:51 PM

Marc Wadsworth, a party activist who, at the launch of a report into Labour and antisemitism, challenged Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth that she was working "hand in hand" with the media."

Well, Keith, you could have helped the Guardian out a little by adding that Marc Wadsworth has been a prominent Labour campaigner for equal rights and against all forms of discrimination for decades, including fighting antisemitism, that he didn't know that Smeeth was a Jew and that Smeeth put on a deliberate act of histrionics, including fake tears, at the launch. Nothing like the "truth," the part-truth and nothing but the part-truth for misprepresenting, eh, Keith? And before you start bleating that it was the Guardian wot done it, do what you should have done and give us the link so that we can read it for ourselves. Not that you can't be trusted, of course...😂

Sorry to get serious again, folks, but there are things that really shouldn't be let pass. Now back to bikes!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:00 PM

At one time I had 2 V reg Hondas. One was a 1.5is (No nothing to do with ISIS before anyone starts) vtec Civic with a V at the beginning and the other was a 500CX custom with a V at the end. I hadn't planned it that way - Honest! I did the route as sung in Mr Fox's 'The Gypsy' on the bike and enjoyed it immensely.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:22 PM

Me and a mate bought a Honda 50 for £4 in 1969, £2 each. We used to go to school on it.

The only hiccup really is that we were only 14 at the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:31 PM

Honda 50s had a very strange 'undocumented feature'. If you advanced the timing as far as it would go it pushed the top speed up to about 60. Ran like a crock of shit at the low end but the top speed was improved greatly. Just the sort of trivia that should be in a folk music forum :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:50 PM

According to Christy Moore his Honda 50 would do a 150 on a windy day.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 05:11 PM

I had a Honda 50 moped in the early 70s. Used to commute on it between Dudley, Tipton and Wolverhampton when I was at teacher training college. Didn't need a crash helmet in those days so I zoomed along on the thing, hair flowing behind, breeze in beard, looking like Jesus. No tax, no insurance, optional brakes. Jaysus, I loved it, except when the soddin' exhaust valve burned, which was approximately once a month. Happy days!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 03:24 AM

Pedant alert. The Honda 50 was not a moped.

Strictly speaking, mopeds are driven by both an engine and by bicycle pedals, but in common usage and in many jurisdictions the term moped is used for similar vehicles including a scooter, though this is quite erroneous

Just thought you would like to be corrected on such an important point of trivia :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 03:42 AM

Wrong thread Dave, Akenaton posted on another thread that the Honda 50 was a Moped.

In various guises over 87 million have been produced since 1958.

87 MILLION !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 04:09 AM

"Bollocks Jim!"
No Keith
You have alleged a "serious problem" throughout this thread and come up with three members out of a Party of over half a million "may be expelled"
Oh calamity!!!
Nobody has ever argued that there are no antisemites in Labour - three maybes don't make a "serious problem" by anybody's calculations.
Let's see what they "may be" expelled for and see how serious their antisemitism is, but you have a massive mountain to climb before you come up with a "serious problem
I'm no sure exactly how accusing somebody of "working hand in hand with the media" can be construed as either antisemitism or bullying (politicians do it all the time), but let's see, shall we.
We know that bullying has been a issue with the Tory Party, even to the poing od DRIVING SOMEBODY TO KILLING HIMSELF
No Outrage and accusation from you there.
We know that RACISM HAS BEEN AN ISSUE in the Tory Party for some time now - no enquiry - no howls of protest from you
We know that ZAC GOLDSMITH ran an Islamophobic campaign against Sadiq Khhan during the London Mayoral Electyion
No protest from you, no enquiry by the Tories.
We know that the Tories were accused of islamophobia a year ago and that those accusations are

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 04:17 AM

Whoops - wrong button!
We know that the Tories were accused of islamophobia a year ago and that those accusations are ONGOING
Nothing from you - nothing from the Toriss
And you say you are not badmouthing Labour!!!
My arse, you're not.
If your concern for the vicims of racism and bigotry, you wouls speak out on behalf of all of them -
Instead, you are an extreme bigot using three "may be" incidents to denigrate a party set up and dedicated to opposing racism and bigotry.
Both dishonest and extremely hypocritical
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Mar 17 - 04:34 AM

Steve,
what you should have done and give us the link so that we can read it for ourselves.

I thought you took the Guardian.
I stated it was from, "Guardian yesterday,"

That should be enough for anyone, or you could just google a bit of the text.

As you clearly need to be spoon fed, https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/07/labour-members-may-be-expelled-over-claims-of-antisemitism-and-bullying