BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 06:57 AM

Have you managed to travel out to any of the small islands Rag?
Did you know that the film maker who worked with MacColl and Seeger, Phillip Donnelan, once owned Mason Island?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 06:51 AM

In late May and throughtout June the road sides and boggy ground are awash with glorious Yellow Flag Iris. In some areas there are literally thousands of them growing wild. These together with Dog Daisy provide a wonderful backdrop wherever you travel. It really is very beautiful.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 06:39 AM

I did not take it with me Steve, I came home to it.
Dave and Jim put some points to me after I left, so now I have answered them. Is that wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 05:33 AM

Keith's holidays never seem to do him much good. He says he isn't going to take this shit away with him. Poor chap can't seem to resist though.

Another spring-like day in Cornwall after a damp night. The great tits are already feeling territorial. Funny to think that what we regard as their beautiful singing is actually them threatening their rivals and telling them to bugger off.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 04:57 AM

Tell us some more about the flowers in Connemara and restore some sanity into this thread Raggy - please
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 04:35 AM

Sorry for the delay in answering. I have been on my travels again.
I watched Andrew Marr on Sunday. Plenty to discuss about Labour. Most of the programme. No need for a travelogue instead.


Jim,
Why wouldn't you - you have now accused the Jewish Parliamentarians of covering up antitemitism because "they all love their Party.
Probably the most antisemitic statement made of this forum.

As ever with your made up smears, no actual quote is produced.
You are lying about me again.
They covered nothing up. They reported it to their Party for the Party to deal with.
That is how it is done.
Those who complained about misogyny and homophobia in Labour did exactly the same, putting their complaints to the Party to be dealt with.

Dave,

Keith - If you want to dispute the findings of the poll then come up with a better one.

I did not dispute the findings, but your CAA survey only concerned itself with four old anti-Semitic clichés which had no bearing on the complaints coming out of Labour, which is what I said.

The CAA's own survey of the of 2,230 British Jews found that 56% felt that antisemitism in Britain has some echoes of the 1930s, which rose to 64% of Jewish people in the north of England.

Did you not get that far or did you purposely not mention that?

The other survey that you quoted found that most of the anti-Semitism comes from another minority ethnic group and is much rarer in the general population.

From your link,

"The group also carried out its own separate survey of British Jews, which found that 54% feared they had no future in the UK and that a quarter had considered leaving the country in the last two years.
The CAA described the research as "a wake-up call" following last week's terror attacks in France, in which the victims included four Jewish men who were killed in a Paris Kosher supermarket."

So their concern about anti-Semitism in UK, as in Europe, is linked to Islamist terror and not anti=Semitism in the general population.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 17 - 06:24 PM

Raggytash, I've had my Atlas out and have made a list of the orchids likely to be found in Connemara. Here goes:

Rare in the area:
marsh helleborine
lesser twayblade
narrow-leaved marsh
fragrant
northern marsh
bee

In a good few sites:
common twayblade
autumn ladies' tresses
Irish ladies' tresses (but not near the coast)
greater butterfly
lesser butterfly
early purple (blotchy leaves, flowers in April)
common spotted
heath spotted
early marsh
pyramidal
frog
western marsh
green-winged

English names can be a bit of a nightmare but those ones are out of the Botanical Society's Atlas. Bet you can't find 'em all!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 02:42 PM

Just had a Duck breast for our Sunday Lunch. Sear in a dry pan till the skin is golden, then bake for 6 to 8 minutes in a hot even until rare. Serve on a bed of Kale, with deep friend potato cubes, edememe beans, a sauce made fro Meso paste, honey and water reduced to a good consistency and finally sprinkled with Sesame seeds.

Utterly delightful .......... with a glass of decent wine of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 01:58 PM

The ethical goose, by the way, had never once been known to swear, act in a racist manner towards geese of other species, discriminate against mallards or try to goose a gander.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 12:57 PM

Well the brave lads of Burnley held Chelsea at bay and their new signing scored a spectacular goal from a free kick. Just off to cook a pork fillet stuffed with Cumberland sausage meat and wrapped in streaky bacon that I got from Gloucester Services a bit back and put in the freezer. Cabbage, carrots and spuds roasted in ethical goose fat. Morrisons are selling a lovely Prosecco for a fiver. Could share a bottle of that. If I have room I'll finish with a nice Sicilian Nero d'Avola. I will have room.

Haven't forgotten the orchids!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 08:39 AM

Absofuckinglutely.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 07:39 AM

Damn. Ko is 1.30, not 12.30. Somebody duped me with fake news. Or was it an alternative fact. So I'm just off to shoehorn in a quick trip to Morrisons. This is a lot better than squabbling with the alt-right, innit!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 07:25 AM

I haven't forgotten about the orchids but I keep getting waylaid. I'll get my Atlas of the British Flora (Ireland covered) out as soon as I've watched Burnley hopefully slaughtering Chelsea, ko 12.30. Won't be doing much else today. I'm not going outside into that bloody freezing east wind.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 06:57 AM

One area of the Connemara, Slyne Head (which boasts two lighthouses) is a place with a remarkable array of orchids. Frequently found are the Greater Butterfly Orchid which is stunningly beautiful in June and July.

http://www.caithness.org/fpb/2013/june/gallery.php?gallery=2&image=5

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 06:43 AM

Are you sure he wasn't "a Swedish Sweeney Todd, the dirty sod?" 😇

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 04:30 AM

I've never noticed the look of shock on her face or wondered why she had her hands behind her back until you mentioned that...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 02:15 PM

Nice pic, Dave! Are you sure that Fr Sweeney's first name wasn't, appropriately looking at the photo, "Roger?" 😜

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 01:35 PM

Steve - I remembered to look for an old piccie when I went to my Mum's earlier today. Ambrose Barlow Youth Club, probably 1968. I am 4th from the left on the front row looking particularly dapper in a brown herringbone jacket and fawn cavalry twills. I must also say looking pretty cool sandwiched between 2 rather nice young ladies:-) Father Sweeney is just left of centre, back row, and obviously not a youth but seemingly enjoying the proximity of the young lady to the right of me. I'll never get to heaven will I..?

I am experimenting with sharing stuff on Google+ so let me know if you can see it on this link.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 01:03 PM

It may as well be about horticulture. Most things would grow very will given the amount of shite being heaped on it :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 07:53 AM

I think Mr T's irony was aimed at those who imagine that this thread is about horticulture.   :0)

"None so blind"....eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 07:24 AM

Must admit, I much prefer the Liverpool kids version:

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Shit stinks,
So do you

Much more to the point
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 07:18 AM

Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
Mays stuck with Brexit
And Trump is too.
another puerile ditty written in the style of McGonagle

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 06:53 AM

A bit weak as a jest, but change the name it could be used for any politician, it'd still be weak though. I would have thought that the Telegraph might be above such juvenile prose.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 06:43 AM

Brilliant
That clinches the argument - or at least, indicates the level it is operating at
Where do you come up[ with this astounding logic Teribus?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 06:28 AM

Courtesy of Matt in today's Telegraph:

Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
Labour's stuck with Corbyn
And I'm stuck with you

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 08:38 PM

Keep meaning to get back to you on those Connemara orchids, Raggytash, but it's been one of those days when I keep getting waylaid. English names can be a right bugger. I'm off to the ballet tomorrow afternoon but I'll be back after that!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 11:29 AM

If anyone finds a camera case to fit an Olympus Trip at the the bottom of Ill Bell in the Lake District, it's mine. Blew out of my hand in a gale when we were standing on the summit in 1981.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 11:08 AM

Two elderly Welsh neighbours relieving themselves in their outside lavortories at the bottom of their respective yards.
"Hmmmmm – is that you Mrs Evans?"
"Hmmmmm – it is Mrs Jones"
"Hmmmmm – been meaning to ask you; how's your son Dai doin' – haven't seen him round lately"
"Hmmmmm – 'es livin in Cardiff"
"Hmmmmm – big town - what's 'e doin' there?"
"Hmmmmm – 'e's in the theatre, 'e's playin' Hamlet".
"Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm", ooo! That's a hard part".

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 10:19 AM

:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 10:11 AM

I think I have more respect for my arse than to use it.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 10:09 AM

Oh - Forgot to tell you, Raggy. I have a roll of toilet paper with a picture of Donald Trump's face on each sheet :-) I'll try to save you some if you like but I suspect it will vanish pretty quickly in the bunk house.

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 10:07 AM

Sorry - should be a pair of trainers tied together by the laces obviously
Multi-tasking getting teh batter of me
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 10:05 AM

Not there at the moment Jim, but I once saw a watercolour in a pub in Ireland which had birds on the telegraph wires. On looking closer I saw they depicted musical notation, very clever I thought except that it was the notation for the British National Anthem.

Say nowt was my policy, but the next time I visited the print has gone.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 10:04 AM

A local Guard (boy in blue) told me that it's an indication that drugs are available locally - never tested the claim
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 09:59 AM

It's usually a pair hanging over the wires near where we were in Salford. Not seen it much in the Dales.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 09:57 AM

"..and why is there always a single trainer by the side of a busy road?"
Do you fellers know about the single trainer hanging over the overhead telephone wires?
Raggy probably does, being where he is!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 09:21 AM

...and why is there always a single trainer by the side of a busy road?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 09:10 AM

One of my mates here found a single, black sock in the street. Over the next few months we would text each other if we saw one, which was quite often. On one occasion we came across 3 black socks together ........... very strange

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 09:05 AM

"Last time I found a pair of knickers!"
"Last night's Fun" as they are referred to around here!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 08:56 AM

It's a funny thing, Raggy. Those who complain about the content of threads cannot seem to resist looking at them. It reminds me of the Mary Shitehouse and Lord Longknob fiasco where they had to study pornography constantly just to see how bad it was. I can only put it down to a masochistic streak. Or maybe just a need to complain? Perhaps if they spent more time studying our beautiful world they would not be so petulant.

I will try to be back while it is still light at Ribblehead so we can have a look at what is growing near by then we can report to Steve on anything interesting. Last time I found a pair of knickers!

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 08:51 AM

"If you no longer wish to continue the thread, why not let it die instead of drivelling on about plants and holidays."
If you wish to take part in this thread, feel free to do so - this is your only posting to this thread to date, so how people conduct themselves on it is really none of your business.
This thread has been flogged to death by people who wish to denigrate the Labour Party with false accusations - to my recollection it is the fourth on all prolonged by the same gang
Not a scrap of material proof has been proved of antisemitism but it hasn't stopped the Gang of Three?four from trying
It is long overdue that they either put up their proof or put ther cuase down to a miserably failed one.
You want to give us evidence of antisemitism beyond unqualified accusations, feel free
Otherwise, it really is nothing to do with you
Have a nice day
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 08:46 AM

Ah Iains, some of us like talking about holidays, flowers etc, I could suggest if you don't like reading about them you don't read the posts.

Much easier I think.

Let me tell you about Dr Heather Greer, an acquaintance of mine. Last year she published a beautiful book entitled "On Your Doorstep" which details the moths and butterflies commonly found near where she lives on the Aughrus Peninsula, which is on the Connemara

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 08:37 AM

If you no longer wish to continue the thread, why not let it die instead of drivelling on about plants and holidays. Grow up and start another dedicated thread if you wish to bore everyone with a travelogue.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 08:30 AM

Yes, I must apologise for that. I did not realise that holidays, beauty spots and wild flowers were so intimidating. In future I shall stick to nice fluffy topics such as terrorists, mass murderers and paedophiles.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 07:14 AM

Marsh Fragrant Orchids abound on the Connemara from early May. Literally thousands of them. There are other species as well which I may well describe later on.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 07:01 AM

"Much pleasanter topic," Dave? How can it be when you're blatantly using it to bully and intimidate akenaton, boobs and Keith! Next time they come in here with their pathetic attempts to get this thread back on track, I'm going to metaphorically beat them round the head with a maidenhair fern frond, just you wait and see!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 06:41 AM

On a much pleasanter topic Tornado loco 60163 will be passing within half a mile of our house on Monday evening on its way to haul Northern Rail trains between Skipton and Appleby from the 14th to the 16th of Feb. I am no big rail buff or anything but I think it is nice to see these things. I am also at Ribblehead next weekend but, sadly, will not see it going over the Ribblehead viaduct as the service will have finished by then. Ah well, can't have everything.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 06:35 AM

"Since 1973 the EU has played a major role in whatever "system Britain now has""
Britain became fouled up long before the E.U. was a twinkle in Britain's eye.
It started when the Tories began dismantling the limited progressive policies introduced by the post war Labour Government and reached its peak under Thatcher, who silenced the voice of working people in their place of work and set about destroying Britain's industrial base.
The E.U. was never more than an attempt by failing Capitalism to act in unison to stop the rot - a co-operation of Capitalist nations.
Whatever its failings, workers under Capitalism gained some limited advantages - not ideal, but better than what was happening.
Now that's gone.
"I would think that the number of "bigots" remained unchanged pre and post Brexit."
Brexit opened the door to racist and bigoted behaviour - it was won of a bigotry ticket.
"EU Referendum results in Maps"
Britain overall is a racist country - a quarter of those surveyed on their racist vies indicated that to be the case - part of the heritage left to us by Empire
Attempting to islolate that to Labour voters is as stupid as it gats.
This thread has been about Labour Party members supposed antisemitism, not that of Labour voters.
If you are suggesting that working people are more racist than any other class in Britain, you are even more extreme and stupid as you have already prved yourself to be.
Racism among the less well off is the result of the fear generated by scum like Ukip and the BNP, and fortified by vote seeking politicians who blame immigration on the failures of society rather than their own greed and incompetence - scapegoat politics - a favourite in Nazi Germany where the Jews were the target.
You really are a little goose-stepper, aren't you?
"Jom"
Still the same old, same old imbecility -are you really so insecure in your position?
For crying out loud, grow up and try to conduct a reasonable argument without the blustering bullshit - how old are you?
It's like trying to discuss with a truculent child
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 06:06 AM

1: "It's appeal was to the people whose lives have been fouled up by the fouled up system Britain now has - that's how populism works"

Since 1973 the EU has played a major role in whatever "system Britain now has". How "populism" works Jim, is that a political party jumps on the bandwagon of issues the public are vocal about. They then campaign touting policies that seek to address those issues which they know full well will be popular - hence the term "populist".

2: Proof of its bigoted nature lies in the rise in racist incidents follwing the result.

I would think that the number of "bigots" remained unchanged pre and post Brexit. The result emboldened some of them to act who otherwise would not have acted.

3: Applying it to 'Labour voters' is just right-wing agenda-driven sloganising.

Suggestion for you Jim, quite easy and it does not take 5 minutes of your time. Go on Google and do two searches:

Search 1 - EU Referendum results in Maps
Search 2 - 2015 UK General Election results in Maps

The 2015 GE was not really all that great for Labour so the latter search throws up what I would call "hard core Labour" areas. Compare those to the areas that were the strongest Leave areas in the EU Referendum - You will find that apart from London - they were the same. (Now I know that you will not do that Jim, but others following this thread might and they will see that I am telling the truth.).

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 06:05 AM

Yep - Found it. Good point too considering the blurring of fact and fiction around here at times :-)

DtG