BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 05:57 AM

I think that is perfectly true, Keith, and shenanigans is a good word for it. However when you look at this BBC news article and see what is happening to politics in general I think singling one party out as indulging in shenanigans is rather biased.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 07:32 AM

What shenanigans there Dave?
She was a Remainer before the vote, but has since developed a positive view of Brexit.
She is not alone in that. Labour used to be anti-Brexit too.
Things change, and views and attitudes alter to accommodate a new situation.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 07:41 AM

"Whatever the truth of all this, how can anyone take them seriously with such shenanigans going on?"
Watson is a right wing crook who was forced to resign from Brown's Government because of his expenses fiddles
He voted for Blair's illegal war and against an enquiry into it.
He is also a leading member of Labour's Friends of Israel and is possibly a leading figure in attempting to implicate Labour in charges of anti-semitism.
The "shenanigans going on" are an attempt by the decent members to clean up the act of the party which has been in the hands of such people as Watson, and his fellow crooks for far too long.
You support the like of Watson and his ilk because he makes the right noises about Israeli atrocities - (see above)
"Watson was elected Deputy Leader by the membership. Why should anyone care what you think of him?"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 07:49 AM

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 07:51 AM

Jim, this is nothing to do with Israel!
Your obsession is making you deranged.

This piece in Huff.Post 12 hours ago seems to support Watson's case.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/len-mccluskey-entryism-recapture-labour-take-the-party-over-tom-watson-video_uk_58d15315e4b00705db530c5d

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 07:56 AM

Hi Dave

<" Snow in March, eh? Who'd have thought it :-) ">

That's nowt up ere. Went to watch Lancs play DEWrby in June some years ago and it snowed then and the day was cancelled.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:25 AM

"Jim, this is nothing to do with Israel!"
This is about whatever anybody who contributes to this discussion cares to make it - stick your censor's pencil up your censoring hole.
The oly deranged person is the one who spends the time defended the persecution, ethnic cleansing an massacres of en entire national group on behalf of a fascist state.
Watson is part of a plan to undermine the wishes of the Labour Party membership and he has shown himself prepared to do so wit the help of a foreign power (just like Trump)
The fact that part of the attempred denigration of the Party andd its leadership has been accusations originating in the Knesset makes srael very much a part of this discussion - just as Russia is part of any discussion of the American Presidency.
Do not attempt to interfere with anybody's right to give an opinion on anything, you fascist - who do you think you are, Benjamin Netanyahu?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:53 AM

That wasn't snow, Mike. It was t'fallout from t'tripeworks...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:57 AM

The oly deranged person is the one who spends the time defended the persecution, ethnic cleansing an massacres of en entire national group on behalf of a fascist state.

Yes, he does sound deranged.
Glad he never posts on here!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 10:33 AM

the persecution, ethnic cleansing an massacres of en entire national group on behalf of a fascist state.

Yes, that is what was done to the Jews by Hitler and his associates. No one here has defended that but there are some who defend the current fascists who have the same agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 11:09 AM

That match was at Buxton on 2 June 1975, Mike. Don't ask me why such a tiny fact as that stuck in my mind - I wasn't there!

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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 11:25 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 11:26 AM

Not long after that - between 1976 and 1980 (I know because of the house we lived in at the time) we experience hailstones like golf balls in June as well. That was in Swinton, Manchester.

Eeeeh, they don't make weather like they used to...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 11:34 AM

I remember borrowing me dad's car to go to my girlfriend's house in Shaw and being forced to stop on the hard shoulder of the M62, just before the A627M turnoff in an incredibly scary hailstorm. That would have been 1973-ish. Down the corridor, second on the left, boobs. Don't forget to wipe your bum and wash your hands.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 12:09 PM

In that hailstorm in the late 70's my mates brand new Hyundai Pony (I think) looked like someone had been battering it with a toffee hammer.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 02:04 PM

That was probably the one I remember, Raggy. Some cars on our street were damaged. We had a Reliant Supervan III at the time - Just like Del boy's but in turquoise rather than yellow. Being fibreglass it suffered no dents :-)

Far better than boring old politics any day!

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 03:53 PM

"Car"
A youth was driving his girlfriend home after a dance.
He pulled off the road into a quiet lane and the began kissing and fondling
After a while things got incredibly steamy and he said, "get in the back"
"No" was the firm reply
They set to to where they'd left off until he could stand it no longer
"Get in the back" he said
"No"
Another five minutes later he tried again and received the same response
"No".
He straightened up, slammed the car into gear and raced away until he came to her house, where he jumped out, threw open the passenger door and demanded she got out.
In floods of tears, she obliged and made her way up her path.
He called after her, "You were as keen as I was, why wouldn't you get in the back?
She replied tearfully, " I wanted to stay in the front with you".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 03:54 PM

Vardy, Alli, Lallana...go boys! Show those Germans who's boss! Button it, Tekebo!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 05:53 PM

Bugger...

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 05:11 AM

Guardian columnist 14 hours ago,

"A secret recording reveals that even Momentum has given up on Corbyn. Does anyone inside Labour have any idea how ludicrous this all looks? "

Do you Steve?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/20/secret-tapes-momentum-battle-owns-soul-labour-party

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 05:54 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:06 AM

The 'ludricity' lies in the first statement of the article Keith
"So he is not immortal after all? The part of the Labour party that supports Jeremy Corbyn is edging out of its fantasy that Corbyn will lead them to a great victory in 2020."
Corbyn was elected overwhelmingly to reform the party so that it could fight on genuine reform policies rather than the same old same old.
Until that happens, it doesn't matter to ordinary voters who wins the 2020 election - the consequences for the British people will be the same whoever takes power.
Blair and his cronies took over Labour and made it a krypto-Tory group - since then, it has been a series of disasters, from bumbling and corrupt MPs to illegal wars.
A right wing group within Labour has sought to maintain that position and has been happy to use the interference of a foreign power to do so.
The Trades Unions formed Labour in the first place - they had a voice in its running - it's what made it a workers party
The Atlee Government confirmed that the Unions should have a voice and together, they rebuilt Britain after the war
Since then, the Tories and Labour right have fought tooth and nail to silence the workers voice in British policies

Takling about a "trade union takeover" is right wing extremist shite.
It's ludicrous to attempt to discuss this question and ignore what is actually going on.
Corbyn has overwhelming support for his policies among the Labour membership.
To force him out of office in order to win votes for krypro-Tory policies would be as undemocratic as Thatcherism
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:22 AM

And in the meanwhile the current administration are taking us to hell in a handcart.

Nice diversion tactics though.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:23 AM

Boris is in DC today. Stiff upper twit gentlemen.

Condolences for lives lost near Parliament.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:24 AM

To force him out of office in order to win votes for krypro-Tory policies would be as undemocratic as Thatcherism

Who is trying to force him out of office?
The Right want him gone but have given up trying.
According to this, Momentum now wants him gone too.


Blair and his cronies took over Labour and made it a krypto-Tory group - since then, it has been a series of disasters

I.e. winning elections!

Takling about a "trade union takeover" is right wing extremist shite.

There are no Right Wing extremists in Labour, or writing for the Guardian.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:29 AM

Dave,
And in the meanwhile the current administration are taking us to hell in a handcart.

That is your view, but it is a minority one.
Diversionary tactics? How so? Nothing is stopping you criticising the government except your frantic preoccupation with trivia.
Labour's problems have been all over the news this week and are worthy of discussion. No diversion.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:42 AM

I am in a minority in thinking that the current government is not doing a good job? A pretty large minority I should think.

What frantic preocculation? I hope you can come up with some evidence that I have a frantic preoccupation with anything. Otherwise I think we can assume it is another one of your misrepresentations.

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:55 AM

"Who is trying to force him out of office?"
Don't be stupid Keith - this is what it has been about from day one
The right may have failed in this particular battle but it doesn't mean that they are not still at war
They want the same old same old Tory policies because that suits their own personal positions - and crooks lik to Watson head the pack
"That is your view, but it is a minority one."
It is a fact - no industry, a loss of a say in the workplace, a rapidly widening gap between haves and have nots, an unstable economy
People do not vote for this, they vote for what will suit them in the present circumstances - go look at those who take no part in the elections and don't vote at all - only 66% voted in the last election - the party that got by far the majority of votes is the "you are all a shower of bastards and I wont vote for any of you Party"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:30 AM

Dave,
I am in a minority in thinking that the current government is not doing a good job? A pretty large minority I should think.

Why do you think that? What evidence?
You are ignoring the evidence of recent by-elections where there was a swing to the Tories which is almost unheard of for a governing party mid term.

What frantic preocculation? I hope you can come up with some evidence that I have a frantic preoccupation with anything.

Yesterday you posted on this political thread,
"That was probably the one I remember, Raggy. Some cars on our street were damaged. We had a Reliant Supervan III at the time - Just like Del boy's but in turquoise rather than yellow. Being fibreglass it suffered no dents :-)
Far better than boring old politics any day!"

You have posted ad nauseum on off topic trivia in what Steve says is a tactic to drive political opponents away. That campaign has become increasingly desperate and frantic in recent days on this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:36 AM

Jim,
They want the same old same old Tory policies because that suits their own personal positions - and crooks lik to Watson head the pack

Why call Watson a Crook? All parties have wings and factions which push for policies that suit their own position. That is normal politics.
What is going on in Labour is not normal.

As the Guardian columnist just said, "Does anyone inside Labour have any idea how ludicrous this all looks?"

Do you Steve, or are you still pretending to be asleep?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:49 AM

"Why call Watson a Crook? "
Because he was forced to tender his resignation forr fiddling his expenses
Because he aworked for a foreign power to smear his Party
Take your pick
"What is going on in Labour is not normal."
Who wants "normal" as things stand at present
Why not address the situation as it stands instead of putting up meaningless media quotes
Your historians now appear to metamorphosed into press journalists
Do they sell their papers in "real" newsagents?
You and your mates have been quick enough to dismiss or ignore the Guardian when it doesn't say what you want it to
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:55 AM

Not taking us to hell in a handcart, Keith? A blundering Tory idiot who is now history, who was certain that he could win the referendum, has managed to get us bundled out of the EU on the back of a pack of lies. In nine months the pound has collapsed, inflation is roaring ahead, there's no prospect of pay keeping up with it, there's talk of removing the triple lock on old-age pensions (which are among the worst in the EU already) because there's no money to pay for it, leaving millions of pensioners vulnerable to inflation, the NHS has gone in a few short years from the best it's ever been to a complete basket case, we can't afford care for our elderly any more, millions have been forced into bogus "self-employment" or zero-hours contracts, productivity is shite, there is no prospect of a decent trade deal with the EU or anyone else, half a million Brits in the EU are living on drastically-reduced pensions thanks to the collapse of the pound and there's every prospect that their pensions will be frozen and that they'll lose the reciprocal healthcare agreement, millions of EU citizens living here, people who we sorely need to keep the NHS, care services and agriculture afloat, feel threatened by the new hostile-to-foreigners atmosphere, the Scots may well be on their bikes, nobody seems to have given a thought to the brexicated bloody mess that would be visited on Northern Ireland...the handcarts are parked in a long row outside the house, Keith, but all you can do is look upwards out of the top half of the window and see the sunshine and the fluffy white clouds. You always were good at missing the point, weren't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:00 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:34 AM

Jim,
Because he was forced to tender his resignation forr fiddling his expenses

Most MPs did that, so no more a crook than most.

Because he aworked for a foreign power to smear his Party

Did he? That is a most serious charge that you have just made up Jim!

Steve, those may be your views, but few hold them according to all recent polls and by-election results.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:49 AM

The evidence of people on the breadline and those relying on food banks. The evidence of the less able bodied in despair because their benefits have been slashed. The evidence of the NHS and schools in disarray because they cannot manage on their reduced budgets.

And Keith, there was absolutely nothing frantic in the post you use as an example nor is mentioning an event that had already been discussed a preoccupation. I take it it was another one of your misrepresentations that we can ignore.

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 09:44 AM

Jim
Because he aworked for a foreign power to smear his Party

But you denied believing that on 8th December,
"What about Jim's claim that the Labour Party has been infiltrated by "Quislings" secretly loyal to the current Israeli government"
THat was not my claim - you are lying again"

Dave, there is no evidence that your views are shared by more than a small minority and poll and election results that are evidence they are not.

You have posted extensively here and on other political threads about the weather and nature, but on the current "Spring" thread devoted to the weather and nature you have not posted at all.
That tells me that you are not truly interested in talking about such things, it is just a tactic to stifle discussions you do not like.
That tactic is becoming increasingly desperate and frantic, as I said.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 09:57 AM

My "views" are they, Keith? They are facts! 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 10:01 AM

That tactic is becoming increasingly desperate and frantic, as I said.

That is not what you said at all. You said "Nothing is stopping you criticising the government except your frantic preoccupation with trivia." You accuse me of not making myself clear and then you change your words so they have a completely different meaning. Very dishonest.

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

On the other subject I really could not give a shit how many people my views are shared with. I have no need to go for the populist vote but I do actually care that people are suffering needlessly.

Now, can we get back to something interesting instead of your usual linguistic bollocks?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 10:14 AM

Update on Lister Park in Bradford - Crocuses are all gone only to be replaced by daffodils. When they have gone it will look like plain grass. How do they do that, Steve. You will know. Are there just hundreds of bulbs below the grass that flower in the spring? When they are gone and the grass is mowed, how come it seems just like grass and is not full of bald patches? Or is it and I am too far away to notice?

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 10:18 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 10:37 AM

Crocus corms and daffodil bulbs sit under the surface in a dormant state in summer. It's an adaptation to hot, dry conditions or the lack of light in dense woodland when the trees are in full leaf. It's called aestivation, sort of the opposite of hibernation. In spring the leaves build up a food store. Crocus leaves are fine and narrow and grass grows in between, so there isn't much of a bare patch when they die back. Daffodil leaves will leave a temporary bare patch if the daffs are growing in big clumps, but the grass soon spreads back.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 10:39 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 11:08 AM

The daffodils and croci are similar to the labour party. Here today and likely gone tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 11:09 AM

Yes, I know poobad. Treat them with plenty of manure...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 12:15 PM

Dthe G. It might work for plants but I fail to see how yet more Sh*t can help labour.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 12:34 PM

Dave,
You said "Nothing is stopping you criticising the government except your frantic preoccupation with trivia."

Nothing is stopping you criticising other parties, but all you want to do is discuss nature, but not on the thread about such things.

Far better than boring old politics any day!

Then why go on politics threads and avoid nature threads?
You do it to try to stifle debate that does not suit you.
It is just a ploy, and an increasingly frantic and desperate one.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 12:51 PM

"But you denied believing that on 8th December,
No I didn't -I did not say they were Loyal to Israel - I said they were using Israel's call for BDS to unseat Corbyn
It may well be that they believe Israel to be right, but your distortion makes my suggestion that they were working for them
Crooked pricks like Watson work only for themselves - that is where their loyalties lie.
Stop distorting what I say
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 01:11 PM

Another glorious day out on the Connemara, brilliant sunshine, nicely warm and more music tonight in a fabulous pub. Myself on Guitars my good lady on Concertina and Bodhran and a mate on various Melodeons. Lots of Guinness, whiskey and hospitality. Who could want more !!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 01:23 PM

Humph. It's been peeing down here all afternoon and it's damn nippy. Still, it's alleged that spring is on its way!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 01:31 PM

Much better than regurgiating the same old line that is prevelant from some boring old farts of the right wing on here.

Dead from the neck up and the naval down, as my old man used to say.