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BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Raggytash 01 May 17 - 05:11 PM
bobad 01 May 17 - 05:46 PM
bobad 01 May 17 - 05:54 PM
Greg F. 01 May 17 - 06:06 PM
bobad 04 May 17 - 09:34 PM
Greg F. 05 May 17 - 09:17 AM
Dave the Gnome 05 May 17 - 09:29 AM
Keith A of Hertford 05 May 17 - 09:41 AM
Keith A of Hertford 05 May 17 - 09:46 AM
bobad 05 May 17 - 10:01 AM
bobad 05 May 17 - 10:24 AM
Raggytash 05 May 17 - 10:31 AM
Greg F. 05 May 17 - 12:02 PM
Keith A of Hertford 05 May 17 - 01:46 PM
Jim Carroll 05 May 17 - 03:29 PM
Jim Carroll 05 May 17 - 03:53 PM
Dave the Gnome 05 May 17 - 06:22 PM
Jim Carroll 05 May 17 - 07:03 PM
Keith A of Hertford 06 May 17 - 05:21 AM
Jim Carroll 06 May 17 - 07:20 AM
Keith A of Hertford 06 May 17 - 07:26 AM
Jim Carroll 06 May 17 - 08:35 AM
Dave the Gnome 06 May 17 - 10:30 AM
Keith A of Hertford 06 May 17 - 10:49 AM
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Dave the Gnome 07 May 17 - 08:54 AM
Keith A of Hertford 08 May 17 - 05:34 AM
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Teribus 08 May 17 - 09:17 AM
Keith A of Hertford 08 May 17 - 09:18 AM
Jim Carroll 08 May 17 - 10:16 AM
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Keith A of Hertford 08 May 17 - 11:26 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 May 17 - 11:46 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 May 17 - 05:11 PM

Isn't it strange professor that you can quote all manner of right wing extremist and consider that the rest of the people on this forum should accept them as "gospel" (I detest that word) but if 14 countries criticize the state of Israel you try and maintain that only one country made one remark.

Did you actually read the link I provided?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 01 May 17 - 05:46 PM

a Terrorist State carrying our a programme of ethnic cleansing on an entire culture of people who have occupied the area for many centuries

For the first time in history, an indigenous people regained self determination on ancestral land they had been exiled from and the Jew haters can't get over it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 01 May 17 - 05:54 PM

Political commentator Chris Deerin:

By the time Corbyn is finished, Labour will only be fit for conspiracy theorists and Jew-baiters

I find it all genuinely heartbreaking. It's awful to watch some of the party's brightest talents quit politics in despair or disillusionment. It's infuriating that a bunch of ideological obsessives from the bottom of the barrel are blithely destroying one of the UK's two great vehicles for social change. And the very idea it could be allowed to continue after June is enraging.

So for me, and I hope for you, this is an ABL election – Anyone But Labour. The only hope I can locate is that the humiliation about to be visited on the party is so complete, so shockingly great, so unprecedentedly painful, that not even the most shameless Trot could credibly consider carrying on. Let's show these hideous goons there is no floor to our contempt. Let's show them who's boss.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 May 17 - 06:06 PM

regained self determination on ancestral land

Ah, but who was there BEFORE "The Jews"??


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 04 May 17 - 09:34 PM

Ah, but who was there BEFORE "The Jews"??

It sure as hell wasn't the Arabs or Fakestinians.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 May 17 - 09:17 AM

But who were these indigenous peoples? And by your "logic" don't they have a better claim on the area than "The Jews"?

When is Britain going to be given back to the Italians, by the way?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 May 17 - 09:29 AM

Never mind the Romans, what about the Iceni?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 May 17 - 09:41 AM

I wouldn't want to be a member of any mainstream Party Keith - but if you are implying that my observation is in any way antisemitic - prove it

No Jim. People like Ward have been thrown out just for saying what you say.
That is a fact not an implication.

"No decent democratic country describes Israel as "terrorist state" or accuses it of "ethnic cleansing."
#A cowardly defence


Nothing cowardly about it.
Your beliefs are not common in lands of democracy, free speech and free media. That is my point in making that statement.

About the silence of the Jewish members of Parliament WHY, WHY, WHY, if it is as serious as you claim?

There was no silence.
They raised their complaints about anti-Semitism within the Party to the leadership, as did those complaining of homophobia and misogyny.

It is antisemitic to suggest they they stay silent while their fellow Jews are being attacked in the way you claim

I did not claim that.
If it is not just another of your lies, QUOTE ME!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 May 17 - 09:46 AM

Rag,
Isn't it strange professor that you can quote all manner of right wing extremist

I have never quoted one.
If you are not lying, QUOTE ME!

if 14 countries criticize the state of Israel you try and maintain that only one country made one remark.

The statement you quoted from the UN report was only made by one country. It was not generally accepted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 05 May 17 - 10:01 AM

When is Britain going to be given back to the Italians, by the way?

The problem with your yet another false equivalence Greg is that Britain is not the ancestral homeland of the Italians and the Canaanites don't have a seat at the United Nations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 05 May 17 - 10:24 AM

The Jewish Telegraphic Agency describe UN Watch as "a pro Israel Organisation"

Is being pro Israel is a bad thing?

UN Watch does an admirable job exposing the hypocrisy and anti-Semitism on display at the UN.

After PLO, Qatar, Syria, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and other Arab regimes accused Israel of 'apartheid', UN Watch's Hillel Neuer took the floor: "Algeria, Egypt, Syria, Iraq: Where are your Jews?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 May 17 - 10:31 AM

Not a chance professor, you would merely refute that they were right wing extremists.

I have far better things to do like popping over to the Dingle peninsula for a week with a group of friends before toddling up to the Connemara for a few weeks.

Now that is far, far better than reading your lies, evasions and general deceit day after day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 May 17 - 12:02 PM

Britain is not the ancestral homeland of the Italians

Nor were "The Jews" the first inhabitants of the area in question.

PS: Define "ancestral homeland". Anything like "der vaterland"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 May 17 - 01:46 PM

Rag,
Not a chance professor, you would merely refute that they were right wing extremists.

I promise not to, so quote me.

Now that is far, far better than reading your lies, evasions and general deceit day after day.

Day after day? If you are not lying about me, it should be very easy to quote an example then.
I challenge and defy you to quote one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 May 17 - 03:29 PM

"Is being pro Israel is a bad thing?"
Is is under the present regime
Supporting Israel is supporting ethnic cleansing and mass murder
"That is a fact not an implication."
And that is what all the conflict is about - a parliamentary group at odds with its mambership and its leader
That's what has to change
"Nothing cowardly about it"
Hiding behind the silenvce of politicians is exactly that
Refusing to responsd to the fact that no decent contry would stand by silently while a country is being accused of something unjustly

"They raised their complaints about anti-Semitism within the Party "
A repetition of this shite is both cowardly and extremely dishonest
There was nothing to stop them from goiing public that was what was asked
W£hy didn't they - and you will continue to avoid this question in your equally cowardly and dishonest faschion
"!I did not claim that.
If it is not just another of your lies, QUOTE ME!"
I have half a dozen times
If you did not say it - what is the anser to the above question
What you call a double whammy, I would say
"I have never quoted one.
If you are not lying, QUOTE ME!"!
You made the most extreme racist statement ever made on this forum - that all male Muslims are implanted to rape children
The excuse you gave is that "experts" had said the same
Whoever said it - it is an extreme racist statement - one which would be subject to legal proceedings if made public.
You either quoted extremists or incvented them - take your pick
Any description of that antisemitism in the labour party yet?
Don't think tere's much point in continuing this - do you
No evidence - no case
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 May 17 - 03:53 PM

"No Jim. People like Ward have been thrown out just for saying what you say."
Don't care what he goth thrown out for
What I say is not antisemitic - I have never attacked the Jews in my life
The Israelis have destroyed all other definitions by refusing to adhere to one of the major points
You are now doing the same
You refuse to answer the question of the silence of the Jewish members of parliament
You where asked why they didn't go public - you refuse to answer so your original excuse stands - that they have made a pact of silence
If that's not what you said - tell us why they have not gone public.
Your extremism
You made the most extreme statement ever on this forum - that all male members of an community of one and a half million are culturally implanted to have underage sex - a statement that is in fact breaking British laws.
You claim you only said it because somebody else did (though you have never produced their doing so)
Whoever said it, it is that statement of a racist fanatic.
You either quoted (unnamed) extremists or you made it up yourself
Doesn't matter which.
Yo single-handedly claimed that the Traveller community was "massivey 0ver-represented for holding slaves (one family of five members)
Nobody else has ever made that claim - it is the statement of a racist madman
Brainwashed Irish children - you are a frothing at the mouth nutter - you need to be locked up in a padded cell
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 May 17 - 06:22 PM

I challenge anyone to quote me saying something that I have not said, regardless of what we may be talking about at the time. In fact, whatever anyone says, I am always right because no one knows what the fuck I am on about half the time and when they do I just deny it anyway. You lose because you are all shit. So there.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 May 17 - 07:03 PM

You been at the Keith-juice again Dave?
What did the doctor tell you
You'll be boring next!!
You win
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 May 17 - 05:21 AM

Jim,
Refusing to responsd to the fact that no decent contry would stand by silently while a country is being accused of something unjustly

You can not stop nasty regimes spewing propaganda. Decent countries ignore it.

Supporting Israel is supporting ethnic cleansing and mass murder

No decent country believes that.

If it is not just another of your lies, QUOTE ME!"
I have half a dozen times


If that is not just more lying, re-quote me.

If you did not say it - what is the anser to the above question

The answer is that they did.
Complaints against the party were made to the leadership.
That is how such things are done.

"No Jim. People like Ward have been thrown out just for saying what you say."
Don't care what he goth thrown out for
What I say is not antisemitic -


That is also what he said.
They still threw him out.

You refuse to answer the question of the silence of the Jewish members of parliament

I have. They were not silent.

If I have ever quoted extremists, quote me doing it, liar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 May 17 - 07:20 AM

Piss of Keith
same answers (or not)
Same lies
You are a racit and an antisemite
You accused the Jewish parliamentarians from staying silent
Even if you did not, you are claiming that there is antisemitism in the party that they are refusing to make public
"I have. They were not silent."
They did not go public as they easily could have done
You are making it up
If there is antisemitism - what is it
You are a lying, very disturbed obsessive little man
End of story
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 May 17 - 07:26 AM

You resort to vacuous name calling Jim.
I am not racist or anti-Semitic.

You accused the Jewish parliamentarians from staying silent
Even if you did not, you are claiming that there is antisemitism in the party that they are refusing to make public


No I am not.

You can not argue with anything I actually say so you pretend I said something else.
That is why your silly accusations never come with an actual quote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 May 17 - 08:35 AM

"I am not racist or anti-Semitic."You accused all Muslims of being prone to underage sex becaue of their culture
That is deeply racist
You accused the Traveller community of being overrepresented as "slaveers" on the basis of the actions of about five criminals
That is deeply racist
You accused Irish shcool children of being brainwashed to hate Britain even though you ahev never been able to give examples of that hatred
That is deeply racist
You claim that tere isa massive problem with antisemitism in the labour Party, but are unable to explain why the Jews in the Party haven't gone public
Your first explanation was that they love their Party - you now deny havving said that, but it doesn't make any difference
If there was massive antisemitism, the Jewish members would have made that public - any race or culture would -- they haven't so it doesn't exist
You continue to insst there is, therefore you are accusing all the Jewish Members of of refusing to announce publicly the type of antisemitism that is supposed to be happening - a pact of mutual silence - classic antisemitism
When you were given a statement by a Jewish writer on the situation in the Labour Party, you refused even to discuss it, saying he had nothing worth listening to about the British Labour Party - a Jew with nothing to say about antisemitism - how antisemitic can you get?
Are wer wrong yo discuss the Holocaust because we are not German?
Yo are a raving xenophobic madman Keith - the only value in arguing with you is to allow you to expose yourself for what you truly are.
There's nothing "vacuous" about any of this - I've laid it out detail by detail
ou are a seriously troubled individual
Over and out
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 May 17 - 10:30 AM

You been at the Keith-juice again Dave?

Nah, just a few pints of Hobgoblin. Not sure what Keith's excuse is

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 May 17 - 10:49 AM

You misrepresent what I have said on all those issues.
Of course I am neither racist nor anti-Semite.

As ever when you lose an argument, you resort to smearing me by lying about old ones.

Now, returning to the subject, what do Thursday's elections tell us about the situation of the Labour Party?

Stephen Kinnock said Labour had moved toward the "hard left" and was out of touch with the electorate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 May 17 - 04:19 AM

This is the Zager and Evans post!

Makes more sense than some

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 May 17 - 06:36 AM

Makes more sense than which posts Dave?
Will you identify one or are you just coat trailing?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 May 17 - 08:54 AM

I didn't say makes more sense than some posts though did I Keith. I said it makes more sense than some. Whether that is people, posts or songs is entirely up to the reader to decide.

I am happy to identify a song that it makes more sense than. Itsy-bitsy, teeny-weeny, yellow, polka-dot bikini.

I have no idea what coat trailing means.

Will you explain why you asked or are you just looking for a fight?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 May 17 - 05:34 AM

Not looking for a fight Dave. That is coat trailing.
I just was trying to establish the meaning of your last few posts.
Do you consider me unreasonable to ask for a quote when accused of saying something I do not believe and would never say?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 May 17 - 06:12 AM

1. OK
2. Why?
3. Why ask me?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 May 17 - 06:35 AM

2. Of course I want to understand what point you are trying to make.
Why will you not help?

3. I ask you because I thought that might be the point you were trying to make.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 May 17 - 06:45 AM

Why the fuck I need to explain anything to you is beyond me but as I time anyway... There was only one point I was trying to make- The post numbered 2525 reminded me of the Zager and Evans song. That song makes more sense than a lot of things. Not everything is about you Keith nor does everything have any deep or hidden meanings.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 May 17 - 09:17 AM

1: You accused all Muslims of being prone to underage sex becaue of their culture

That is deeply racist


Tell me Jim what is "Muslim Culture"? Now in my travels I have lived and worked with Muslims of different sects and from different countries from West Africa to Indonesia. But we will level out the religious bit and settle on those Muslims who are Sunni, I think that you would find a Sunni Muslim from the Arabian Peninsula has a very different culture to a Sunni Muslim from either Malaysia or Indonesia. But this has been pointed out to you time and time again so no need to expect you to take any heed of it this time either.

2: You accused the Traveller community of being overrepresented as "slaveers" on the basis of the actions of about five criminals

That is deeply racist


In one instance the family involved is a dynasty who control many sites the length and breadth of England (One of the reasons they got away with it for nearly a quarter of a century) - the five you mention were the ones who could be charged, tried, convicted and imprisoned on the evidence produced. Cannot think of any others who have illegally kept dozens of vulnerable people in appalling conditions to be worked to the point of exhaustion without payment - no wonder the members of this family are millionaires eh Jim?


3: You accused Irish shcool children of being brainwashed to hate Britain even though you ahev never been able to give examples of that hatred.

That is deeply racist


Where do you think this came from Jim:

The words are Dominic Behan's

My name is O'Hanlon, and I've just turned sixteen.
My home is in Monaghan, and where I was weaned
I learned all my life cruel England's to blame,
So now I am part of the patriot game.


The Irish historian Ruth Dudley Edwards said exactly the same of her education in the republic as did many of the surviving "volunteers" interviewed in that documentary about the IRA's 1956 - 1962 "Border Campaign" that you rather pointedly refused to watch.

I take it that they are all wrong and just accept in the midst of one enormous brain fart that Jim knows best? Don't count on it, on this and many more things I believe and know you are wrong.

4: You claim that tere isa massive problem with antisemitism in the labour Party, but are unable to explain why the Jews in the Party haven't gone public
Your first explanation was that they love their Party - you now deny havving said that, but it doesn't make any difference
If there was massive antisemitism, the Jewish members would have made that public - any race or culture would -- they haven't so it doesn't exist


Any problem within the Labour Party picked up by members of that Party would in the first instance always be reported by them to the Labour Party's National Executive Committee for them to sort out - initially with regard to charges of anti-Semitism within the Labour Party that is precisely what was done. The OULC affair raised the stakes as the University and the House of Commons were threatening Inquiries of their own. After Baroness Royall's and Baroness Chakrabarti's Inquiries finished only then did those complaining about various things within the Labour Party go public with their concerns - Labour's NEC have not been so forthcoming and in accordance with Chakrabarti's "whitewash" it is highly unlikely that they ever will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 May 17 - 09:18 AM

Dave, you referred to me by name in one of the posts.
Jim accused me of saying things and I requested quotes.
You clearly supported him against me on that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 May 17 - 10:16 AM

"Tell me Jim what is "Muslim Culture"?"
Go ask you friend - he made the accusation
He also added "Pakistani" which makes it racist
Nuffin to do with me
"In one instance the family involved is a dynasty "
The family in question numbered five people who were settled, wealth enough to live in a mansion and employed mainly non-Travellers in their enterprise.
No other Travellers were convicted so I assume the enterprise becomes equally a settled "over-representation" as well!!
Can you actually verify that this lot "controlled" other Traveler sites, many or otherwise, or is this more shit you have snatched out of the air on the spot (rhetorical question).
Were other Travellers arrested and tried as being accomplices - if not, why not - perhas the authorities, having a well-know soft spot for Travellers, looked the other way.
"Where do you think this came from Jim:"
It was compesed by Dominic Behan - whathas this to do with Keith's "generations of Irish schoolchildren" being brainwashed.
One thing fro certain - you are i9n no danger of suffering the same fate - you lack the essential ingredient
Labour's supposed antisemitism
One more time - the victims of this so-called antisemitism were entitled to go public at any time - no law restricts them just to keeping the matter within the Labour Party
According to you pair of tossers - they did and a year after these accusations surfaced, we still have no idea of their specific nature nor the number involved
We have two people criticising Israel and Zionism - nothing else
NEXT!!!!
Jm Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 May 17 - 10:40 AM

Incidentally
"In one instance the family involved is a dynasty "
This is yet another racist smear
'Connors' is one of the most common names among Travellers - not a "dynasty" just a shared name
There are no reports of other shares of that name being implicated in the crimes of these few
Like all racists - you make it up as you go along
Jeeze - you would have made a fortune as propagandist for the Nazis - just what they needed yo fill their ovens, as it was - they managed between a quarter and a half million based on shite like yours.
You really are the scummiest of the scum
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 May 17 - 10:40 AM

Dave, you referred to me by name in one of the posts.

I refered to you by name because Jim asked if I had been on the Keith juice.

Jim accused me of saying things and I requested quotes.

WTF has that got to do with me?

You clearly supported him against me on that.

Did I? When and where? Do you have any quotes to link to?

Now stop wasting all our time looking for meanings that do not exist.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 May 17 - 11:26 AM

Jim,
Go ask you friend - he made the accusation

Not true.

Dave,
Your reply to Jim about Keith juice was,
"Nah, just a few pints of Hobgoblin. Not sure what Keith's excuse is ."

You identified me by name as the person you were critical of, clearly demonstrating your support for him over me.

WTF has that got to do with me?

Because what you said I needed an excuse for was asking for quotes to support false claims about me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 May 17 - 11:46 AM

Jesus wept Keith. I have no idea how your mind works but I suspect a psychiatrist could make a fortune out of you. That is the biggest load of paranoiac bollocks I have read for quite some time.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 May 17 - 11:54 AM

"A psychiatrist would need a psychiatrist after a few sessions with this suitable case for treatment   
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 May 17 - 01:51 PM

Dave, why not just tell us the point you were making in those posts?
I think I have it right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 May 17 - 02:02 PM

You're really not very intelligent are you professor. I said I would be on holiday and frankly give a flying fuck about anything you post.

So, given that information, you reply and ask me to give you examples of your lies and deceit. Brilliant really, really intelligent.

I've just logged on to my tablet to check the news and email. We've played music for the past two nights, till very early in the morning and I'm now sitting in a beautiful bar, in a beautiful village, in a beautiful part of the world having a beautiful pint of Guinness.

Did I mention the word beautiful !!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 17 - 03:00 AM

I have told you the point. Whether you chose to believe that or not is completely irrelevant. Please stop trying to involve me in your fantasies.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 May 17 - 04:06 AM

Rag, if you accuse someone of "lies and deceit" you should be prepared to back that accusation.

You can't because your accusation has no basis in fact.

I remember when you blatantly faked some quotes to reverse the meaning of what the historians had actually said.
I can back that if you like. I have kept the details.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 17 - 04:08 AM

Dave,
Please stop trying to involve me in your fantasies.

I did not fantasise your naming me as someone who needed an excuse for their posts.
My posts were just asking Jim to substantiate his false accusations against me.
Why does that need to be excused?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 17 - 04:11 AM

More reports of anti-Semitism are still emerging.

Durham County Council Labour candidate for Weardale suspended from party following following allegations of anti-Semitism
A LABOUR candidate in an upcoming council election has been suspended from the party over allegations of …
The Northern Echo 11d

Labour student who introduced Jeremy Corbyn admits to racist and anti-Semitic Twitter posts
"As some of you may have seen online, some anti-Semitic, homophobic …
International Business Times 14h


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 17 - 05:09 AM

Unlinked again Keith
This is what your unnamed Labour candidate said - not an attack on the Jewish peopel in sight
s I have always said - criticism of Israel has nor becoem antisemitism for the Israelis and their hangers on Antisemitic by definition
Was tehre a reason you didn't link this old news?
Jim Carroll

H Alan Myers LABOUR - EYES LEFT- DURHAM
2 Apr 2016 at 20:11 • 0
The more I learn about Israeli behaviour the more disgusted I am with them. There's no wonder they are hated amongst the Arabs. They are the single cause of the troubles at present.
Remember their disgraceful invasion of the Golan Heights? That's exactly what they are doing on the south west coast at the moment. An illegal state, invading peaceful people who have been forced to try and defend their territory.
And if you say anything against them they cry anti semitism and harp back to the holocaust to curry sympathy Well, the holocaust is exactly what they are performing on the rightful inhabitants of Palestine with the financial support of the US and UK.
The problems caused by "terrorism1 presently are 100% caused by the Zionist leaders of Israel (an illegal state) and their billionaire masters, the Rothschilds.
If you want peace, stop supporting Israel and insist your government does the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 10 May 17 - 06:26 AM

Wasn't that supposedly "disgusting" invasion of the Golan Heights the result of an even more "disgusting" attempted Syrian invasion of Israel in 1973? IIRC the Syrians invaded Israel from the Golan in what became known as the Yom Kippur War and were successfully repelled by the IDF. The Israelis occupied the Syrian Army's jumping off points as a defensive precaution against any future attacks making it known to the Ba'athist regime in Damascus that land would be exchanged for bi-lateral peace treaty.

As far as I know since 2005 there have been no invasions, "disgusting" or otherwise in the South-West corner of Israel, certainly none in 2016 so in stating the following - "That's exactly what they are doing on the south west coast at the moment. An illegal state, invading peaceful people who have been forced to try and defend their territory." - Yer man H Alan Myers is telling deliberate lies to be swallowed by gullible dupes such as yourself Jim. Israel is far from being an illegal state and to state that it is is anti-Semitic. Officially recognised on May 1948 firstly by the United Nations, secondly by the U.S.S.R. and thirdly by the U.S.A. It would appear that the "H" in H Alan Myers must stand for "Havering".


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 17 - 06:50 AM

Permanent occupation of conquered territories and the driving out of the occupants is an offence
Go count the permanent refugees from that occupation and see the scope of the offence
Beside the point anyway - I've no intention in arguing the toss with idiots about something that has been deemed a human rights offence by the U.N. anyway, certainly not with someone who invents information rathrer than providing evidence (any news about those Traveller "Dynasties" or the network of slave-owning sites yet?)
ILLEGAL OCCUPATION of GOLAN HEIGHTS
My point was that Keith deliebrately didn't link to what his "antisemite" said - not antisemitic at all.
Go and invent something else
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 10 May 17 - 09:09 AM

In June 1967, during the Six Day war, Israel captured the heights. Six years later, in a surprise attack during what became known as the Yom Kippur war, Syria overran the Golan before being repulsed by Israeli counterattacks. After the war, Syria signed a disengagement agreement that left the Golan in Israel's hands. On 14 December 1981, the Knesset voted to annex the Golan Heights.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 17 - 09:17 AM

Jim,, I just copied the Bing search result.
You could just Google the text on it.

It was not "old news."
One was 11 days, the other 14 hours.


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/labour-student-who-introduced-jeremy-corbyn-admits-racist-anti-semitic-twitter-posts-1620785

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/15250825.Anti_Semitism_allegations_lead_to_suspension_of_Labour_Party_council_election_can


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