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BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Teribus 08 Jun 17 - 03:48 AM
Keith A of Hertford 08 Jun 17 - 03:59 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Jun 17 - 04:01 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Jun 17 - 04:22 AM
Teribus 08 Jun 17 - 05:18 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Jun 17 - 05:26 AM
Steve Shaw 08 Jun 17 - 05:30 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Jun 17 - 05:36 AM
Jack Campin 08 Jun 17 - 05:37 AM
Keith A of Hertford 08 Jun 17 - 06:00 AM
Steve Shaw 08 Jun 17 - 06:05 AM
Keith A of Hertford 08 Jun 17 - 06:08 AM
Steve Shaw 08 Jun 17 - 06:12 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Jun 17 - 06:14 AM
Steve Shaw 08 Jun 17 - 06:27 AM
Keith A of Hertford 08 Jun 17 - 06:30 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Jun 17 - 06:34 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Jun 17 - 06:36 AM
Steve Shaw 08 Jun 17 - 06:48 AM
Teribus 08 Jun 17 - 07:14 AM
Teribus 08 Jun 17 - 07:21 AM
akenaton 08 Jun 17 - 07:29 AM
Keith A of Hertford 08 Jun 17 - 07:33 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Jun 17 - 07:47 AM
Steve Shaw 08 Jun 17 - 09:24 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Jun 17 - 11:01 AM
Teribus 08 Jun 17 - 11:08 AM
Raggytash 08 Jun 17 - 11:13 AM
Keith A of Hertford 08 Jun 17 - 11:44 AM
Raggytash 08 Jun 17 - 11:50 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Jun 17 - 01:15 PM
Teribus 08 Jun 17 - 02:39 PM
Dave the Gnome 08 Jun 17 - 03:22 PM
Teribus 09 Jun 17 - 02:11 AM
Dave the Gnome 09 Jun 17 - 03:37 AM
Keith A of Hertford 09 Jun 17 - 04:07 AM
Dave the Gnome 09 Jun 17 - 04:14 AM
DMcG 09 Jun 17 - 04:18 AM
Steve Shaw 09 Jun 17 - 06:27 AM
Teribus 09 Jun 17 - 07:45 AM
Steve Shaw 09 Jun 17 - 08:30 AM
Keith A of Hertford 09 Jun 17 - 10:00 AM
Teribus 09 Jun 17 - 10:15 AM
Steve Shaw 09 Jun 17 - 10:18 AM
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Keith A of Hertford 09 Jun 17 - 10:22 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 03:48 AM

The call by Jeremy Corbyn for May's resignation after the London Bridge attack was very quickly back-tracked upon by Corbyn (You see Shaw he's allowed to change his mind as well) for very good reasons.

The resignation was called for because as Home Secretary Theresa May had reduced the number of police officers in England by 20,000 and according to Corbyn & Co., that was what made the terrorist attacks easier. Unfortunately AFTER the resignation call went out people did some checking and found out the following:

1. Those 20,000 officers would not have made any difference at all - In the same time frame anti-terrorist police resources had been increased by May.

2. Corbyn takes great pride in boasting that he has consistently voted AGAINST every piece of anti-terrorist legislation put in front of him.

3. John McDonnell supported by Corbyn has called for both M.I.5 and police firearms units to be disbanded completely. Both these units are essential in anti-terrorist operations.

Corbyn's crocodile tears and Band-Aid plaster response and solution that emerged after Manchester and London was a Laboour pledge to put 10,000 more police on the streets - So did Theresa May only get it half wrong? The reason the numbers of police officers had to be reduced was because of the complete and utter bollocks the Labour Government from 1997 to 2010 had made of the country's finances - there was no money to pay for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 03:59 AM

Also, crime had fallen and continues to fall.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 04:01 AM

The rumour is that Keith enjoys dangling his willy in a bucket of custard while the vicar throws cream cakes at him.

Have I said anything that is untrue?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 04:22 AM

And before you start with the 'no one has mentioned this except you' nonsense take a look at the satirical Southern News Network's take on the same topic.

Other satirical publications are available...

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:18 AM

Having been unable to challenge or counter what Keith A of Hertford has said the Gnome comes out with this nonsense:

Dave the Gnome - 08 Jun 17 - 04:01 AM

The rumour is that Keith enjoys dangling his willy in a bucket of custard while the vicar throws cream cakes at him.

Have I said anything that is untrue?


In relation to Keith A of Hertford what is untrue challenges our rotund, bald, bespectacled gnome?

1: No evidence at all of there being a rumour.

2: While what is said may be true of someone called Keith somewhere on this planet, there is nothing whatsoever that specifically links gnome's reported "rumour" to Keith A of Hertford

3: As to the "dangling willy" thing, this is probably a case of jealously on the part of the gnome as - wait for it - "Rumour has it that he hasn't see his own willy for at least nine years, hiding as it does under the overhang of his beer gut".

4: While what is said may be true of some vicar somewhere on this planet, there is nothing whatsoever that specifically links the vicar mentioned to anyone known to Keith A of Hertford.

5: The "rumour" is exposed as a lie as Keith is allergic to custard and being renowned for not having a sweet tooth would not go anywhere near a cream cake even if his life depended upon it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:26 AM

But have I said anything untrue, Teribus? A simple yes or no will do.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:30 AM

You don't need evidence for a rumour. You can just start one. There's a rumour that there's a God but there's no evidence at all for it. And I don't know why you're preaching to me about Theresa changing her mind. It wasn't me wot mentioned it, Mr Accurate. Off you go now, Teribus. I know you tell us that you are not aligned with any political parties, but your Tory needs you. Vote early and vote often.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:36 AM

More evidence that others believe that the Scum and the Daily Heil stink

Apologist for Snickers: Twitter users hit back against attack on Corbyn

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:37 AM

An excellent piece about Diane Abbott by the cookery writer Jack Monroe. This perspective hadn't occurred to me before, and it puts the bullying crap from our resident fascist thugs into perpective:

https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2017/06/07/we-need-to-talk-about-diane-abbott-now-explicit-content/


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:00 AM

Dave,
The rumour is that Keith enjoys dangling his willy in a bucket of custard while the vicar throws cream cakes at him.
Have I said anything that is untrue?


Yes, all of it.
There is no such rumour.
You made it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:05 AM

Well it's a rumour now. I've been spreading it around like wildfire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:08 AM

Dave the SNN that you linked to is a spoof site with a staff of one.
You also refer to Twitter!

Now, did either of those actual publications actually say anything that was not true Dave?

Lies told against a Party leader on the eve of an election would be a massive issue, but no-one except you has picked up on it apart from SNN and some Tweets.

Has it been denied?
Has legal action been announced?
Have broadcasters or rival publications reported a vast challenge to the democratic process?

Or are you just talking bollocks again Dave?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:12 AM

Great piece, Jack. It isn't hard to imagine that an equivalent piece could be put together about Jeremy Corbyn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:14 AM

There is no such rumour.

Everyone I have spoken to has heard it.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:27 AM

Same here, Dave. And the version I'm spreading has even more gory details.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:30 AM

You make liars of yourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:34 AM

You call us liars but cannot prove that Keith. That is called an unsubstantiated accusation. I thought you were opposed to those?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:36 AM

...and I am only doing exactly the same as those newspapers you so robustly defend are doing but on a much smaller scale.

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:48 AM

Are you starting a rumour that I'm a liar, Keith?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 07:14 AM

Dave the Gnome - 08 Jun 17 - 04:01 AM

The rumour is that Keith enjoys dangling his willy in a bucket of custard while the vicar throws cream cakes at him.

Have I said anything that is untrue?

:D tG


The "rumour" started by you Gnome - under oath I do not think that we could find anyone who had ever heard it before the date stamp given. You challenge anyone to state if anything you have stated is untrue which automatically means that YOU believe your statement to be true. One person called Keith can claim with total certitude that "the rumour" is completely untrue.

Now what has been said by any reporter in the media that is untrue about Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott? In response to what has been written and said about them by reporters there have been no denials, instead we have been regaled with rather limp and implausible accounts in an attempt to explain the reports.

The election of a Labour Government under Corbyn would be an absolute disaster for the United Kingdom on every level imaginable. It took Blair and Brown having been handed a country whose economic and financial health was undoubted. In the course of 13 years they basically managed to completely trash it - 13 years, Corbyn & Co will bankrupt the country in the course of one Parliament.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 07:21 AM

Steve Shaw - 08 Jun 17 - 06:48 AM

Are you starting a rumour that I'm a liar, Keith?


No rumour Shaw, it has been proven and clearly shown on this forum that you most certainly are a liar - or had you forgotten this?

SHAW'S WHEATCROFT SAGA


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 07:29 AM

I don't think I have ever voted conservative, even in my youth, but I am about to break the habit of a lifetime.
Mrs May will get my vote, as the exit from the EU is the most pressing issue facing the country.
I believe the election was called in an effort to give Mrs May a decent majority to fight or cause and The Consrvatives are the only party capable of giving the country what they voted for....an end to "Freedom of Movement of labour within the EU.
I have long been a Scottish Nationalist, but the EU issue transcends all others including Scottish Independence. It also transcends the election of a Labour government or what is laughingly referred to as "A Progressive alliance".

Were Labour to be elected now, within weeks Mr Corbyn would be knifed in the back and the Blairites would seize power.....Tony may even make a triumphant return to lead the gory bunch.

Please think before you vote, those of you without the ideological lock down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 07:33 AM

Having lost the argument you resort again to posting drivel.

Dave, the papers did not invent the allegations against Corbyn. I have seen him faced with them on numerous interviews and seen them in the media many times.
They have been posted on here too. Bobad has provided many quotes on the subject.

So, those papers were referring to well established incidents in his past, and have printed no libel.

Has it been denied?
Has legal action been announced?
Have broadcasters or rival publications reported a shocking affront to the democratic process?

No. Just you.
You are you just talking bollocks again Dave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 07:47 AM

But I have still told no lies chaps. That is the only point in question. Just like the newspapers. May be smoke, mirrors, misdirection and, to coin Keith's word of the day, bollocks but if anyone would care to sue me over it I would welcome the challenge

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 09:24 AM

That was quite a nifty rumour about your arse and those old women up Blackpool Tower, wasn't it, Teribus?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 11:01 AM

Dave, the papers did not invent the allegations against Corbyn.

They may not have. I don't know. What I do know for certain is that they invented the sensationalist headlines only hours before the election. Why have we not seen other publications using the same smear tactics? Because the Scum and the Daily Heil are only fit for wiping your arse on.

Or cleaning custard off your willy...

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 11:08 AM

Ah Shaw so I now know of two rumours that have no substance, and nothing alters the fact that you are still a proven liar.

Nothing "smoke and mirrors" about what the press have been saying about Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott - I see that you and the Gnome are keeping well away from that topic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 11:13 AM

I've heard that rumour about KAOH here in Ireland, it must be quite widespread and seeing as it's been published on the internet can I presume it is true?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 11:44 AM

You remind us that you are a liar too Rag.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 11:50 AM

Hmm

I am in Ireland at present. That is truth.

I first heard the rumour here. That is truth.

I first heard the rumour on a website. That is truth.

So professor which bit am I lying about as you claim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 01:15 PM

Did you know that shares in Premier Foods, owners of the Bird's Custard brand, went up from 40p to 41.5p around midday today? Funny that. Wonder if the are expecting a boost in sales?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 02:39 PM

Raggytash - 08 Jun 17 - 11:13 AM

Ah the faithful little lap-dog comes trotting along wagging his tail.

What's the matter Raggy are you totally incapable of independent thought?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 03:22 PM

I'm sure I called Teribus Keith's attack dog some months back. Can't be arsed to find it so I am sure we will be told I am lying but it makes me wonder just who is capable of original thought

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 02:11 AM

Gnome, little lap-dog Raggy's intervention cannot even stay on script. Perhaps that is because he isn't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer:

"I've heard that rumour about KAOH here in Ireland"

I take it that by referring to KAOH he means Keith A of Hertford then of course he is lying - You weren't f**kin' stupid enough to specifically name him specifically in your original post where you "introduced" your "rumour".

If Raggy doesn't get what I am on about perhaps you could explain it to him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 03:37 AM

I have a message

To those who have spent months trying to destroy Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party

To those who support the smear tactics of the gutter press

To those who believe that Nigel Farage is a man of integrity where Jeremy Corbyn is not

To those who want Scottish independence but voted Tory

It is a simple message and, I must admit, it is not my own. It may be trite and childish but the temptation is too great.

You lose

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 04:07 AM

No.
Corbyn has achieved a swing towards Labour, largely by a 10 billion bribe to middle class students.
May has achieved a swing away from the Tories through ineptitude.
The Tories still won.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 04:14 AM

I did not mention anything about the Tories winning or losing. Did you not read my post?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 04:18 AM

Numerically but not politically, Keith. There is already talk of calling another election. That"s not a win. The Tories are so weakened they will have to have their own little coalition of chaos. That is not a win.

The media threw everything they had at Corbyn including thirteen pages of charges he loves terrorists and he emerged stronger because enough people realised how vacuous it was. They have used up their entire ammunition and will have nothing for next time. That is a win.

But enjoy having the highest number of seats. They are occupied by a divided and vengeful party.

Make the most of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 06:27 AM

The Tories "won," did they, Keith? Well they are in a far worse position than they were two days ago. They are hobbled. And, twice in a year, via stupid decisions to go to the country in their own interests and no-one else's, they have dumped on this country. You call that "winning?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 07:45 AM

Don't think anybody "won", which when all said and done is rather unique as far as elections go. The fact still remains that the Conservatives have the largest number of seats in the House of Commons and it will be Theresa May who will be asked to form a government - NOT Jeremy Corbyn.

I dare say that a deal will be cobbled together with the DUP to keep the cart on the track and because SF do not sit in the Commons means that the results in Northern Ireland work to the Conservatives advantage.

Nicola Sturgeon was the leader who looked shell shocked, from 56 seats she lost 21 of them - 12 of those to Tories. Two massive scalps taken with Angus Robertson and Alex Salmond. When they get back to the day job the SNP will have to put their Indyref2 on the back burner and get down to doing what they get paid for and should have been doing since 2007 - governing Scotland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 08:30 AM

Theresa May is guilty of making severe misjudgements and has destabilised this country. There are big decisions ahead calling for good judgement and she has shown a massive deficiency in that regard. That's what this vote reflects. What you are doing is DEflecting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 10:00 AM

The Tories "won," did they, Keith? Well they are in a far worse position than they were two days ago. They are hobbled. And, twice in a year, via stupid decisions to go to the country in their own interests and no-one else's, they have dumped on this country.

I agree with all that, and have already acknowledged that Corbyn ran a better campaign with a better manifesto.

The winner of an election is the one with the most seats, and usually the biggest vote share.
The Tories had both. They won.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 10:15 AM

The people who have destabilised the country are the "remoaners" who refused point blank to accept the democratic decision of the electorate of the United Kingdom to leave the European Union.

Brexit is still on track and after last night the Conservatives now find themselves allied with the DUP the larger of the two political parties in Northern Ireland who campaigned for Brexit with the caveat that they do not want to see a "hard border" separate Northern Ireland from the Republic of Ireland. Now then Shaw if they can't tell you what is required then nobody can and the subject of the "Irish border" is one of the first subjects up for discussion according to the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 10:18 AM

Well let's see, shall we? Your "winners" are in disarray. They have a totally discredited leader who's not fit to enter the brexit negotiations and there's no-one to step into the breach. They have had to make a pact with a detestable bunch of bigots. Their hard-brexit plans are in shreds. Some "winners."


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 10:20 AM

No-one has blocked the referendum result. What are you on about? Would you like to see free speech curtailed, is that it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 10:22 AM

Your "winners" are in disarray

Labour has been in disarray and riven with internal disputes for some time.
Is it all smoothed over now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 10:24 AM

You've seen nothing yet, Keith. The right-wing backbench Tory knives are being sharpened as we type. Keep your back to the wall at all times, Theresa!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 10:31 AM

She has earned disapproval.
Any party would consider changing leader after such a blunder.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 12:20 PM

The Tory party is split asunder. That's why Cameron called a referendum and that's why May called this election. They were both trying to either placate or subdue their right wing. They both got it abysmally wrong, demonstrating that they have no vision, no judgement and couldn't run a pissup in a brewery. It also demonstrated that they were prepared to exploit the voters ruthlessly towards their own self-interest. That's archetypal Toryism for you. Open your eyes and stop bleating about Labour. The electorate have shown the Tories that it doesn't like negativity about the other side. All that came from Theresa May in this election. None of it from Corbyn, who ran a positive campaign based on a sound, costed manifesto.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 12:49 PM

No Teribus, I am in Ireland and I heard the rumour about KAOH proclivities whilst here.

No doubt about that.

Just a point though. I addressed a question to him, why do you feel you have to answer on his behalf. Could it be because you do not comprehend the written word ............ no surprise given your lack of education.


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