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BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Dave the Gnome 31 Jul 17 - 06:34 AM
Keith A of Hertford 31 Jul 17 - 07:10 AM
Dave the Gnome 31 Jul 17 - 07:24 AM
Raggytash 31 Jul 17 - 11:17 AM
Steve Shaw 31 Jul 17 - 11:19 AM
Steve Shaw 31 Jul 17 - 11:21 AM
Steve Shaw 31 Jul 17 - 11:22 AM
Iains 31 Jul 17 - 12:21 PM
Raggytash 31 Jul 17 - 12:24 PM
Iains 31 Jul 17 - 12:35 PM
Raggytash 31 Jul 17 - 01:16 PM
Donuel 01 Aug 17 - 07:55 AM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Aug 17 - 08:25 AM
Raggytash 01 Aug 17 - 08:38 AM
Dave the Gnome 01 Aug 17 - 10:48 AM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Aug 17 - 01:15 PM
Dave the Gnome 01 Aug 17 - 01:58 PM
Raggytash 01 Aug 17 - 04:29 PM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Aug 17 - 04:11 AM
Dave the Gnome 02 Aug 17 - 04:21 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Aug 17 - 04:45 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Aug 17 - 04:51 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Aug 17 - 04:55 AM
Dave the Gnome 02 Aug 17 - 05:03 AM
Teribus 02 Aug 17 - 08:08 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Aug 17 - 01:41 PM
Steve Shaw 02 Aug 17 - 02:40 PM
Iains 02 Aug 17 - 02:50 PM
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Dave the Gnome 02 Aug 17 - 06:43 PM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Aug 17 - 05:16 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 06:34 AM

It must be tough having friends like that, Keith. I almost feel sorry for you but you know what they say. You reap what you sow.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 07:10 AM

Dave,
No-one else is afraid to say what they think, so why is it too dangerous for Dave?

If you are afraid to say what you think of Shah's comments, there is little point in reading what little you do have to say on the issues.

Ians is not my friend, and we have little in common except a contempt for the bullying tactics your little group uses to dominate all political threads.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 07:24 AM

It is not at all dangerous. Just pointless as are most conversations with you Keith. You have obviously not read or taken notice of anything I have said for years so why are you so interested in my views on this one thing?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 11:17 AM

Meanwhile, another glorious day out here on the Connemara, the hegderows are full of fuschia in bloom, montbretia abound in the verges and self-heal, leafy hawkweed, tufted vetch, purple loose strive, common February, common valerian and silverweed are just a few of the flowers in blossom. I,m puzzled by one though. It looks like creeping buttercup but has 4 petals not 5.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 11:19 AM

I'm claiming...


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 11:21 AM

...post 3456, Liathach!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 11:22 AM

Will we make post 3560, Snowdon?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 12:21 PM

"the hegderows are full of fuschia in bloom, montbretia abound in the verges and self-heal, leafy hawkweed, tufted vetch, purple loose strive, common February, common valerian and silverweed are just a few of the flowers in blossom."
Roll On the 31st August when the flail cutters can come out in all their glory and tame the hedgerows again. This will make driving along narrow country roads marginally safer. Nice the nesting birds take precedence over the safety of humans.


https://www.npws.ie/news/hedge-cutting-notice-2016


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 12:24 PM

A simple solution . . . drive slower.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 12:35 PM

A simple solution. Very fitting from a simpleton. How many years before the road is totally hidden if hedge maintenance does not occur? I would guess about 5 years from boreens I have seen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 01:16 PM

Do you really have to be so aggressive, if so I really pity you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Aug 17 - 07:55 AM

Emollient laws, ethics laws and nepotism laws do not apply to Royalty.
Treason is a rather sticky wicket however.


I am unclear regarding the Royal Titles>
King Donald certainly but
Ivanka - Princess, Lady in waiting
Lady - Melania
Jared - Duke, Exchequer, Count, Viscount
Eric - Marquess
Donald Jr. - Earl
Baron - Baron

?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Aug 17 - 08:25 AM

Dave,
why are you so interested in my views on this one thing?

Because you are so reluctant to tell us!

After all your evasions and nauseating coyness I am sure we are all agog to know what it is you are so desperate to hide.

We have all stated our views.
Don't be such a diddums Dave.
Man up and state your view, or go away and stop wasting everyone's time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Aug 17 - 08:38 AM

For someone who hides behind "quotes" so often to say you have a çheek is a massive understatement


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Aug 17 - 10:48 AM

If it is annoying you so much that I will not answer, Keith, all the more reason to keep schtum. I am not going anywhere.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Aug 17 - 01:15 PM

Pathetic.
Here is my explanation.
You know very well that her comments were anti-Semitic and that she advocated transportation because she freely admits it.
You have to keep quiet about it because for over a year you have been supporting Jim and Steve while knowing them to be wrong and me right.

Your gang right or wrong, and never mind the truth.
Right Dave?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Aug 17 - 01:58 PM

I'm not saying. You can make up any explanation you like if it makes you feel happier.

But you will never know the truth.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Aug 17 - 04:29 PM

The REALLY amusing bit is that you told him the truth he wouldn't, believe you.

He,d probably call you a liar and/or a loser😀😆😘


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 04:11 AM

I do know the truth Dave.
If you agreed with Jim and Steve you would say so without hesitation.

You can not bring yourself to admit that I am right and they are wrong, but you know that to be the case.

Far from being annoyed I have hugely enjoyed your discomfort over this and the chance to take the piss.
How ridiculous you are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 04:21 AM

Which just shows what you are reaaly like and what you really know doesn't it, Keith.

I thought you were getting on with the programme and just trying to convince yourself you have won something but there you go making a pillock of yourself again.

Tsk, tsk. Ah well, I did try.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 04:45 AM

Not just me Dave.
Anyone with half a brain would know what your problem was.

You could have dealt with it in one honest and soon forgotten post.
Instead you allowed me to drag out your discomfort for weeks.
What a chump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 04:51 AM

Venezuela is in a sorry state.
Corbyn praised it as a shining example to the world.
What went wrong?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 04:55 AM

Times today,
"Corbyn is under pressure from MPs and socialist politicians in Europe to condemn personally President Maduro's violent regime in Venezuela.
British MPs from all parties called last night for the Labour leader to speak out after his historical support for the state's leadership. "

Labour MP Angela Smith, "I hope that my party leadership will as soon as possible condemn what's happening in the country and call for the release of opposition party political prisoners," she said.
Graham Jones, another Labour MP and chairman of the group, said: "I believe everybody in the Labour Party should condemn the Venezuelan regime because the first duty of any state is to look after its citizens. Venezuela has failed."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-mps-urge-corbyn-to-condemn-venezuela-0r8nnsqf7


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 05:03 AM

No discomfort for me Keith but if it makes you feel better to believe that then I am glad to help. If you want other people to believe it then, in your own words, you will have to prove it or everyone will know it is just made up shit.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 08:08 AM

Iains - 31 Jul 17 - 06:09 AM

"Before Corbyn appointed Keeley to the shadow cabinet, she said of him:"the current state of the party means we will not be able to mount an effective front bench opposition." Quite…

Hard to believe she is the mental health shadow secretary! Is her next promotion to shadow educashun secretary. I hope she is literate because she surely ain't numerate."


There hasn't been numerate in the Labour Party since it was formed. Their track record in Government has been consistently woeful.

On the Venezuela thing - I dare say to such as Corbyn and McDonnell Maduro's handling of Venezuela's economical and political problems is without fault - nothing must stand in the way of "socialist" ideology - the ruination of the country he was elected to govern must only be considered as merely a small price to pay along with the inevitable downward spiral. Corbyn and McDonnell would do the same to the UK in the blink of an eye.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 01:41 PM

Dave, it is binary.
You either agreed with Steve or me. She did or she didn't.

You never have any problem agreeing with Steve, but you could not bring yourself to say that he was wrong and I was right, and that is all this is.
Not rocket science.
Your denial just makes you look even more ridiculous.

It is not too late to tell us if you think Steve was right after all.
Do you think her comments including "The Jews are rallying" were not anti-Semitic even though she says they were.
Do you think she did not advocate transportation, even though she says she did.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 02:40 PM

Do shut up, Keith. And that piece of advice is an attempt to do you a favour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 02:50 PM

A recent blast from the pasr. More labour lunacy!


http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/frederick-forsyth/831296/Britain-Conservatives-lunacy-concerns-Jeremy-Corbyn


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 03:10 PM

To be a labour MP and a lobbyist? His constituents must be very happy. I wonder who he truly represents?


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/31/labour-mp-barry-sheerman-first-serving-politician-registered-lobbyist


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 06:43 PM

Keith. just carry on believing you have won. Stop posting and bask in the imagined glory. It will give you a warm feeling and the rest of us a break.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 05:16 AM

Won what Dave?
I have failed to persuade you to state your view, but at least I can explain why you will not.

If you thought Steve right you would say so at once.
You just can not bring yourself to admit that he is wrong and I am right, but that is the case.

He called me a liar over it, and you still kept quiet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 05:23 AM

Venezuela,
Labour MP John Mann, the chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) Against Antisemitism, said his party should "condemn the authoritarian regime".

He said: "The government has refused to protect the Jewish community there from anti-Semitic attacks and refused to meet me and other international politicians to discuss this.
"Venezuela is a despot regime…, leaving millions living in abject poverty and on the verge of starvation."

Asked about the Labour leadership's position, Mr Mann said: "It is time to revise our understanding of Venezuela and condemn unreservedly its current slide into violence, poverty and dictatorship."

Anyone here disagree with Mann>


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 05:43 AM

Yes, carry on believing that, Keith. I am sure it must be therapeutic.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 06:01 AM

Of course you would support Steve if you thought he was right.
Belief does not come in to it.

So you know him to be wrong, but rather than admit it you obfuscate and evade for weeks, making yourselves both look totally ridiculous.

I did find that therapeutic Dave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 06:14 AM

Good. Glad you enjoyed it. I enjoyed doing my bit for care in the community as well. A win-win situation. So I guess we have finished?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 06:18 AM

You still will not said what you think.
That would finish it.

Venezuela anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 06:41 AM

Absolutely! Not the best version I have heard but more than acceptable

In Venezuela

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 07:02 AM

An old favourite of mine, but why do you avoid the real current issue of what is happening there now and Labour's stance on it?

And you still have not stated your view on the Shah debate.
Did she or didn't she?

Now two things your are afraid to discuss.
Say what you think or go away and stop wasting everyone's time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 07:22 AM

I have no idea what the situation is in Venuzeula and I am not privy to Naz Shah's personal thoughts. That is the reason I will not discuss them but I am more than happy to let you believe that it is because I am terrified of you if that makes yo happy.

I am going nowhere and will post what I like though. Because that makes me happy.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 07:27 AM

It's not about Shah's personal thoughts, it's about her public pronouncements, wriggler.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 07:42 AM

Of course it is, Poobad. because every politician in the world always says exactly what they mean and always tell the truth.

When Trump said he would build a wall paid for by Mexico, that is what happened.

When May said there would be no election until 2020 that is exactly what she meant.

When Shah said... Oh, I am sure you get the picture.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 08:09 AM

So, to follow wriggler's logic, a politician can make all kinds of racist comments but they can be disregarded because politicians always lie. Hmm, thankfully the majority of voters are somewhat more perspicacious than that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 08:44 AM

Politicians do not always mean what they say. I know that may come as surprise to some but, sadly, it is true. Maybe the more perspicacious of us do realise that and understand that not everything is as it at first seems.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 09:15 AM

I just saw a lovely quote from someone on another thread. It said something like

it is not "anti-semitic" for someone to criticize everyday conservative Judaism generally and Judaic fundamentalism in particular. On the contrary, criticism is a prerequisite for any lasting reformation within Judaism.

I think it may have been about another religious group but I cannot remember who posted it...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 09:33 AM

I agree with that statement Dave, but advocating the transportation of Jews from the Middle East goes way beyond criticising "everyday conservative Judaism generally and Judaic fundamentalism in particular."

And Shah admits doing that.
Also of warning that "The Jews are rallying."

That is blatant and nasty racism, which you and Steve refuse to recognise.

This thread concerns UK politics, and Venezuela and Labour's position on it is a major news story right now.
If you have "no idea of the situation" do some reading.

If you have nothing to say on such issues why do you post here so much?
Go away and stop wasting everyone's time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 09:42 AM

If you have nothing to say on such issues why do you post here so much?
Why not?

Go away and stop wasting everyone's time.

I shall spend my time as I chose and go where I like thank you.

I can only suggest that you put your application in to be a forum moderator if controlling what other people say means so mush to you. In honesty though, I don't think you have much chance.

Sorry

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 09:48 AM

And sorry for the poor HTML but I am sure you get the gist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 10:23 AM

Shah didn't propose the transportation of Judaism to the US it was the Jews she wanted to see gone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 11:33 AM

No-one can make you go away Dave, but if you refuse to state your views on the topics under discussion what is the point of you being here and posting so prolifically?
You are wasting everyone's time, so why not go away?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 11:40 AM

K of H
The answer you are looking for is below. The royal we must refer to the former musket/s
Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 03:15 PM

Our diversions are childlike, not childish. We approach the glories of the natural world with wide-eyed wonder, God-free. The very epitome of what it is to be childlike. And we indulge in these diversions in the hope that they will severely piss people like you off, so that you may end up posting less, thus enhancing the possibility that the forum below the line will be a more pleasant and populous place that will live forever. If you do end up posting less, or, indeed, buggering off entirely, that will be your choice, no attack on free speech intended, etc. We live in hope. And there's nothing you can do to stop us. Free speech, innit!


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