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BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Dave the Gnome 03 Aug 17 - 12:48 PM
Raggytash 03 Aug 17 - 01:27 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 Aug 17 - 01:31 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 Aug 17 - 01:34 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Aug 17 - 01:39 PM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Aug 17 - 01:49 PM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Aug 17 - 01:59 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 Aug 17 - 02:06 PM
Iains 03 Aug 17 - 02:12 PM
Dave the Gnome 03 Aug 17 - 05:12 PM
Iains 03 Aug 17 - 05:51 PM
Greg F. 03 Aug 17 - 05:52 PM
Steve Shaw 03 Aug 17 - 06:38 PM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 03:07 AM
Iains 04 Aug 17 - 04:29 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 04:49 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 04:51 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 04:57 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 05:00 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 05:09 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Aug 17 - 05:13 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 05:14 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 05:17 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 05:19 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 05:22 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 05:55 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 07:06 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 07:48 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Aug 17 - 08:18 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 09:13 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 09:41 AM
Raggytash 04 Aug 17 - 09:47 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Aug 17 - 09:57 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Aug 17 - 09:58 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 10:15 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 03:00 PM
Steve Shaw 04 Aug 17 - 05:06 PM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 06:45 PM
Teribus 05 Aug 17 - 02:20 AM
Iains 05 Aug 17 - 04:10 AM
Keith A of Hertford 05 Aug 17 - 05:11 AM
MikeL2 05 Aug 17 - 06:26 AM
Raggytash 05 Aug 17 - 12:22 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 12:48 PM

If you feel like my postings are a waste of time, Keith, there is a simple answer and one which I have been suggesting for ages. Ignore them. That way none of your time is wasted, you can carry on feeling victorious and I can carry on posting whatever I fancy.

Seemples.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 01:27 PM

Meanwhile out here on the Connemara there was a great session last night in a wonderful bar nestled by the harbour and another one tonight in the same village which is always a fantastic session


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 01:31 PM

Oh , and just a gentle reminder although I am sure most people will realise. The topic under discussion is the Labour party. The clue is in the thread name. Far from not stating my views on that and many sub topics therein I have made my views very well known. What I will not do, and this is what rankles you Keith, is play by your rules. I will not be sidetracked down a single pointless topic.

The Labour party, far from being the spent force you and your cronies have described, are on an upsurge. The leader that you and the right wing press have tried to destroy has survived everything that you can throw at him and succeeded in wiping out the Tory majority in the house of commons. All the talk of antisemitism and supporting terrorism has been nothing but a sideshow to the main event. Who will run the country at the next election. I know who I would bet on.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 01:34 PM

I'll see you in about 3 weeks, Raggy. Keep my pint cool in the Waiting Room and we can waste as much time as we like on good music, beer and company without anyone complaining :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 01:39 PM

Every party has its twats and Labour is no exception. John Mann is a contender for biggest Labour twat of all. No wonder Keith is clinging to him.

It's gorgeous where I am too. more on that later!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 01:49 PM

Yes Dave the thread is about Labour, and the most recent issues have been Labour MP Shah's anti-Semitism which you brought up again, and Labour's stance on Venezuela.

Yes, we could all ignore your pointless posts Dave, but why do you feel the need to impose yourself on everyone here when you refuse to say anything on the issues!?

If you will not express a view, please go away and stop wasting everyone's time

Or preferably give your views on whether or not Shah was being anti-Semitic, and Corbyn's stated admiration for Venezuela's disastrous regime.
Like an actual contributor Dave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 01:59 PM

Mann chairs the All-Party Parliamentary Group against Antisemitism, and serves on the Treasury Select Committee.
You may not agree with him, but you can not dismiss him as just "a twat" without making a complete twat of yourself Steve.

Instead of just calling him names, can you answer any of the quotes I gave?

Labour MP John Mann, the chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) Against Antisemitism, said his party should "condemn the authoritarian regime".

He said: "The government has refused to protect the Jewish community there from anti-Semitic attacks and refused to meet me and other international politicians to discuss this.
"Venezuela is a despot regime…, leaving millions living in abject poverty and on the verge of starvation."

Asked about the Labour leadership's position, Mr Mann said: "It is time to revise our understanding of Venezuela and condemn unreservedly its current slide into violence, poverty and dictatorship."

Anyone here disagree with Mann?
Steve? What in particular Steve?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 02:06 PM

I can keep saying no as long as you keep asking me to go away,Keith. Childish? Maybe but, while we are on that ptopic, who started it?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 02:12 PM

More labour idiocy:


https://order-order.com/2017/08/03/top-corbynistas-smart-benches-ripped/


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 05:12 PM

You know when Musket used to call you a thick cunt, Keith? He was wrong. I don't think you are as thick as you act.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 05:51 PM

Wrinkled little gnome. Thought for the day:

" Profanity is the inevitable linguistic crutch of the inarticulate"


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 05:52 PM

Then again, maybe he was right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Aug 17 - 06:38 PM

John Mann has done everything in his power to undermine Jeremy Corbyn. Just like Keith and booboo, he has a bee in his bonnet about "Labour's serious antisemitism problem." In fact, he's completely obsessed with it. He dishonestly orchestrated the public spat with Ken Livingstone in front of prearranged TV cameras. He hates Jezza and is one of those sore losers, like Yvette Cooper, Hilary Benn and Chuka Umunna, who can't stand the fact that Jezza did so well and sidelined them via positive campaigning. They need to evaporate rapidly. Labour has changed direction and become a party of fair play, less bloody stupid tactics and of more positive campaigning. Those has-beens can't stand it, and the likes of Keith, Iains and booboo are so worried that they are resorting to the very tactics that lost our Theresa her majority. All negativity and not a bloody policy in sight. That's Toryism for you. And look where it's got us in the last seven years. Poor man of Europe all over again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 03:07 AM

Inanes - It was not my profanity, it was the phrase that Musket used to use so, if your tired little platitude was aimed at me, you have missed the mark yet again.

And I do wish you lot would get your act together. Teribus says 'fat little Gnome' you say 'wrinkled little Gnome'. Have you any idea how difficult it is to fat and wrinkled? I do try to please but I am not a miracle worker!

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 04:29 AM

D the G was not musket something you hid behind? Shaw certainly did. His unique turn of phrase can be recognised at a thousand paces.
Perhaps you could tell us what other alias you were using that particular day?

Anyway to more pressing matters.
Will He? Wont he?
Labour MP Graham Jones is optimistic Corbyn will come out and condemn Maduro:

    "Jeremy in his own time will come out and condemn Venezuela, I am sure he will. Nobody can accept the human rights abuses that are going on in Venezuela."

The more hawkish Labour types are demanding Corbyn answer a very simple question: Does Jeremy Corbyn still support Venezuela's regime?

Progress's Conor Pope says "I do happen to believe what Corbyn thinks about Venezuela now is relevant and important, but not because of votes. Judgement and morals. Corbyn held up Chavismo as a model. Fair to ask where went wrong." Socialism comrade, socialism went wrong as it always does…


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 04:49 AM

D the G was not musket something you hid behind?

No it was not. I have never hidden behind anything. I am too wide for a start...

Shaw certainly did.

I am sure Steve can and will speak for himself but he certainly did not either.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 04:51 AM

Steve, you have failed to say specifically what you disagree with in those quotes.
Here they are again.
Labour MP John Mann, the chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) Against Antisemitism, said his party should "condemn the authoritarian regime".

He said: "The government has refused to protect the Jewish community there from anti-Semitic attacks and refused to meet me and other international politicians to discuss this.
"Venezuela is a despot regime…, leaving millions living in abject poverty and on the verge of starvation."

Asked about the Labour leadership's position, Mr Mann said: "It is time to revise our understanding of Venezuela and condemn unreservedly its current slide into violence, poverty and dictatorship."

Anyone here disagree with Mann?
Steve? What in particular Steve?

And not just Mann.
Times,
"Corbyn is under pressure from MPs and socialist politicians in Europe to condemn personally President Maduro's violent regime in Venezuela.

British MPs from all parties called last night for the Labour leader to speak out after his historical support for the state's leadership. "

Labour MP Angela Smith,
"I hope that my party leadership will as soon as possible condemn what's happening in the country and call for the release of opposition party political prisoners," she said.
Graham Jones, another Labour MP
and chairman of the group, said: "I believe everybody in the Labour Party should condemn the Venezuelan regime because the first duty of any state is to look after its citizens. Venezuela has failed."


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 04:57 AM

Dave,
I can keep saying no as long as you keep asking me to go away,Keith.

I actually ask you to comment on the issues.
If you can't or won't then your profligate posting is an irrelevant nuisance to everyone, so of course you should stop.

Why do you impose yourself on us, just prattling on about anything except the issue?
What give you the right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:00 AM

Perhaps you could tell us what other alias you were using that particular day?

I have always posted as myself. Never anyone else and never as a guest apart form a handful of occasions where my cookie had crumbled. Unlike you who did not post as yourself between August 2000 and April 2016. Maybe you would care to let us know which guests you were posing at during that period?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:09 AM

What give you the right?

God. Take it up with him or Mudcat management.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:13 AM

Well, Keith, your party supported the Pinochet regime and supported Reagan when he was up to his tricks in Central America. I smell hypocrisy. Again. You and Iains are a pair of sick obsessives who are on a two-man mission here to dig whatever dirt you can on Labour. It really isn't very interesting. I repeat. The approach lost you your majority in the June election. People want to know what you're going to do, not how bad the other lot are who haven't been in power for over seven years. But get as many recruits as you can for your little campaign. That's the way we'll get Jezza into Number Ten!

By the way, Iains, I'll thank you for not trying to smear me by implying that I was Musket. Of all the people on this board, no-one is more open, consistent and transparent about their identity than I've been over ten years. Just the one identity, I might add. Go and take your desperate slurs elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:14 AM

You have no God given right to swamp Mudcat threads with irrelevant and personal ramblings.

Who do you think you are?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:17 AM

Who do you think you are?

I don't think I am anyone. I know I am Dave the Gnome. Do you have some issues with self awareness? Is this why you are so insecure that you feel the need to win at all costs?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:19 AM

Well, Keith, your party supported the Pinochet regime and supported Reagan when he was up to his tricks in Central America.

My party? I have none. The only hypocrisy is yours.
I have quoted three Labour MPs, and you have no reply.

Your post is just personal abuse and not one word on the issue of Venezuela.
You clearly have nothing to say.
No case.
You lose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:22 AM

Dave,
I don't think I am anyone. I know I am Dave the Gnome.

You think you are someone who has a God given rights to mess up serious threads with irrelevant prattling.
You just said so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:55 AM

You think you are someone who has a God given rights

don't be a prat. You know very well I don't believe in god. Mudcat management do exist though and they decide on the rules. Not you.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 07:06 AM

So what does give you the right to mess up serious threads with irrelevant prattling, and why did you bring God into it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 07:48 AM

Serious threads?

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Now please excuse me while I go an throw up.


:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 08:18 AM

Get a grip, Dave. You missed out a couple of letters Let me put it right.



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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 09:13 AM

But for the antics of you two, it could have continued to be a serious thread.
I have only made serious points, and backed them with serious quotes from prominent Labour Party people.

You people were unable to reply and so have tried to disrupt the thread.

You dominate all political threads here, and when you can't you just disrupt them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 09:41 AM

But it is not a political thread. It is a thread just to abuse the Labour party. The only things that you and your cronies have posted on here are negative views of Corbyn or anyone who supports him. Any attempt to support him or the party or any mention of the countless faults of the Tories are met with sneers and ridicule.

Yet even though you have tried your hardest the reputation of the Labour party and Corbyn have gone from strength to strength to the extent that they have wiped out the Tory majority. You all predicted otherwise and cannot stand it because you have been proved wrong so you resort to posting on forum that has so few rules that you get away with all sorts of things that you would have been banned from doing on a serious site.

People have seen through you. they know that serious discussion is an impossibility with you as all you want to do is 'win'. Well, as I keep saying, go ahead. Feel free to keep saying you win if it makes you happy. No skin off my nose and I know that everyone bar a handful can see what is really happening.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 09:47 AM

It,s a glorious day here on the Connemara, more music beckons tonight!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 09:57 AM

I'll tell you tomorrow what's it's like where I am. I can't tell you that the beer's good...and the bar's open...plenty of socialists too...


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 09:58 AM

I meant that I CAN tell you that the beer's good!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 10:15 AM

Sister is arriving for a visit tonight and she is from Burton on Trent so I have better make sure our Yorkshire beer is at it's best! I think they are stopping for the weekend but will be a bit late. They were going to come up in the same car Moses came down the mountain in (you can work it out :-) ) but it broke down so they had to go back and collect the Ford. Off to Haworth tomorrow and not quite sure what else but Mrs has just phoned to ask if I will pick up another bottle of wine.

Sounds promising...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 03:00 PM

But it is not a political thread. It is a thread just to abuse the Labour party.

No it is not.
It is a thread where views can be expressed, or should be.
You people just do not want any views expressed that you don't like.

Nothing prevents you from expressing your views, you are just incapable of doing so.

I have made a critical case and backed it with numerous quotes from numerous prominent Labour people and even the leadership.
Sadly you are all incapable of formulating any kind of reply or finding anything to substantiate your vacuous assertions.

So you try to wreck it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:06 PM

Not so. I have repeatedly expressed the view that your party supported Pinochet, supported Reagan when he was backing bastards in central America, called for a completely unnecessary referendum that is rapidly wrecking this country, has a prime minister who told us us one thing then did another and utterly screwed up, had a previous leader who exulted in sticking his dick into a dead pig's mouth and which ran parties which exploited underage boys for sex. That's your lot, Keith. But not a word from you about any of that. You are a hypocrite and a bigot.

Of course, you will tell us that it isn't your party. But hang on, what's that I hear? Why, it's the cock crowing for the third time...


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 06:45 PM

Nothing prevents you from expressing your views, you are just incapable of doing so.

My view is that you are a complete prat and that you are incapable of accepting that. I suspect that you will tell me that this does not count.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 02:20 AM

"Supported" Shaw?? IIRC during the Falklands I believe that Pinochet assisted us.

I believe that every government of the UK has "supported" every US President and administration since the end of the Second World War. In what way did the UK "support" US meddling in Central America? Our only involvement in the region was focused in guaranteeing the freedom and independence of a place called Belize.

The "unnecessary referendum" you referred to was originally promised the electorate of the UK by a Labour Prime Minister - Gordon Brown.

The last election? It was a shambles from the Tory POV, but having said that we still DO HAVE a Tory Government that will see Brexit delivered. The Labour vote and their empty and ill-thought-out manifesto are constantly being revealed for exactly what any sentient human being would recognise - all hot air, totally impracticable and financially suicidal.

Dare say you did some bloody stupid things in your youth Shaw.

As far as the Conservative Party having "ran parties which exploited underage boys for sex" Shaw. I take it that you can provide details of those arrested, tried and convicted of these activities that you claim happened? Or are trials and convictions imminent? You see as far as I am aware no such charges have ever been levelled.

Also as far as I know - you are a member of a political party, you have stated so often enough in support of your pal Corbyn - neither Keith A, or myself are members of any political party and this you have been told repeatedly (UK electorate numbers some 46,500,001 voters - Total UK membership of political parties numbers less than 1,200,000 if you are lucky).


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 04:10 AM

"and which ran parties which exploited underage boys for sex." Poor Shaw.
The dear boy is completely losing the plot. As he has an obsession to dominate every thread like a rather nasty rash he is now reduced to making the most ridiculous claims.

Meanwhile if we step out of young stevie's fantasy world back into reality here is another little labour gem for him to sink his rabid, ferrety teeth into:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/newsnight-encounter-corbynista-revealed-true-hypocrisy-labours/


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 05:11 AM

steve,
That's your lot, Keith. But not a word from you about any of that.

They are not my lot or my party.
Not a word because I do not defend any of it.

Dave,
My view is that you are a complete prat and that you are incapable of accepting that.

When you resort to name calling, we know you have nothing else to contribute. It is equivalent to a white flag.
The Guardian must all be prats too, because they published this yesterday,

"Labour's shadow foreign secretary, Emily Thornberry, has said Venezuela's government has a duty to answer concerns about Nicolás Maduro's "increasingly authoritarian rule", as pressure mounted on Jeremy Corbyn to speak out.
The party leader was a longtime admirer of Venezuela under its late socialist leader Hugo Chávez, saying in 2013 he was "an inspiration to all of us fighting back against austerity and neoliberal economics in Europe".

"Corbyn has also previously given his backing to Maduro, Chávez's successor. In 2014, he rang to congratulate the new president live on a Venezuelan television channel, where Maduro introduced the Labour leader as a "friend of Venezuela". "
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/02/labour-concerns-on-venezuela-raise-pressure-on-jeremy-corbyn-to-speak-out


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 06:26 AM

Hi

<" prime minister who told us us one thing then did another">

Thought that was in the DNA of all Prime ministers and politicians.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 12:22 PM

Meanwhile on the Connemara, great music last night. Two young lads, one on guitar one on flute/whistle played the early session followed by my mate on guitar with melodeon backing. I added a few songs with my good lady and a mate over from England added a few. I think we left the bar before 2, I think!!😁😋😄


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 12:58 PM

Steve, re your accusations against Tories.
The pig story was unsubstantiated.
Lord Ashcroft who started it did not claim to have seen it.
Cameron denied it.
Cameron was never even a member of the society whose initiation ritual it was supposed to be.
It never happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggate

Your story about paedophile parties is just a lie.
Made up shit Steve.

We now have four Labour MPs including the Shadow Foreign Secretary demanding Corbyn say something about Venezuela.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 01:01 PM

Of course he denied it. Do you really think he would do otherwise!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 01:06 PM

He could not deny it if there was actual evidence that it was true.
That would prove him a liar and force his resignation.
There is no evidence at all that it ever happened.
It is entirely unsubstantiated and no-one claims to have witnessed it, so why should we take it seriously Rag?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 04:07 PM

Apologies all. Could not resist the temptation.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/you-wanna-cut-down-on-your-porklife-dave?utm_term=.pok1J3jmy#.llDQxn2Zk


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 04:12 PM

He could not deny it if there was actual evidence that it was true.
That would prove him a liar and force his resignation.


What, like there being evidence that Theresa May said there would not be an election until 2020? I guess that the election this year did not prove her a liar which is why she did not resign?

As to the white flag comment. Well, yes, you have won yet again. Well done. Keep it up and you will get over whatever the issues are...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 05:20 PM

"like there being evidence that Theresa May said there would not be an election until 2020? I guess that the election this year did not prove her a liar which is why she did not resign?"

Are you really that childishly idiotic Gnome?

Politicians constantly change their minds, just like the rest of the human race and guess what chubs - IT IS ACTUALLY ALLOWED.

If you want to set out lists of political promises broken the thread would be longer than the TMOABS Thread. Here's one to get you going:

Gordon Brown promised the electorate of the UK a referendum on EU Membership. We didn't get one, at the tie Gnome I didn't hear you clamouring for his resignation. But of course one law for the goose another for the gander with your lot isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 05:24 PM

Absolutely, Teribus. That is what I am getting at. The point you seem to have missed is that your mate Keith reckons that because Cameron denied the pig story he must be telling the truth. Because politicians always tell the truth like you have just pointed out...

DtG


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