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BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Greg F. 05 Aug 17 - 05:53 PM
Steve Shaw 05 Aug 17 - 05:59 PM
Greg F. 05 Aug 17 - 06:32 PM
Steve Shaw 05 Aug 17 - 06:57 PM
Teribus 06 Aug 17 - 04:03 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Aug 17 - 04:08 AM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 05:19 AM
Teribus 06 Aug 17 - 05:33 AM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 05:40 AM
Teribus 06 Aug 17 - 05:49 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Aug 17 - 07:27 AM
Iains 06 Aug 17 - 08:07 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Aug 17 - 08:14 AM
Iains 06 Aug 17 - 08:25 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Aug 17 - 08:26 AM
Teribus 06 Aug 17 - 11:32 AM
Teribus 06 Aug 17 - 11:47 AM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 12:16 PM
Keith A of Hertford 06 Aug 17 - 12:23 PM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 12:25 PM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 12:35 PM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 12:36 PM
Steve Shaw 06 Aug 17 - 12:43 PM
Iains 06 Aug 17 - 01:23 PM
Keith A of Hertford 06 Aug 17 - 01:26 PM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 02:09 PM
Teribus 06 Aug 17 - 05:40 PM
Steve Shaw 06 Aug 17 - 05:47 PM
Dave the Gnome 07 Aug 17 - 03:12 AM
Keith A of Hertford 07 Aug 17 - 05:16 AM
Raggytash 07 Aug 17 - 09:02 AM
Keith A of Hertford 07 Aug 17 - 11:01 AM
Dave the Gnome 07 Aug 17 - 12:40 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Aug 17 - 12:42 PM
Keith A of Hertford 07 Aug 17 - 02:23 PM
MikeL2 07 Aug 17 - 02:40 PM
Dave the Gnome 07 Aug 17 - 03:06 PM
Teribus 07 Aug 17 - 03:10 PM
Dave the Gnome 07 Aug 17 - 03:13 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Aug 17 - 03:36 PM
Iains 07 Aug 17 - 05:36 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Aug 17 - 07:07 PM
Teribus 08 Aug 17 - 01:58 AM
Iains 08 Aug 17 - 03:48 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Aug 17 - 03:52 AM
Teribus 08 Aug 17 - 04:13 AM
Dave the Gnome 08 Aug 17 - 05:04 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 05:53 PM

He could not deny it if there was actual evidence that it was true.

Obvoiously The Professor is a top advisor to Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 05:59 PM

Gordon Brown "promising" a referendum when he was LABOUR prime minister has got rock all to do with the TORIES holding a referendum years later. The referendum was an entirely Tory idea, foisted on us by Cameron because he was scared shitless of UKIP nicking Tory seats in 2015 and of the long knives of his own right-wing eurosceptic faction (the same lot who forced May into an election in the vain hope she could shrug them off and the same lot who are going to see her off very shortly). Tories never do things in the national interest. They do things in the Tory interest, and just look at the bloody mess they've got us into. I'll tell you what, Teribus. You've already cut down the amount of triumphalist trumpeting you do about brexit (don't think we haven't noticed). I'll give it six months before you finally end up maintaining an extremely embarrassed silence about it. This country is stuffed, and you know it. Unless brexit never happens, of course, a distinct and increasing possibility. We're already talking about a three-year transitional Tory fudge. And we haven't even started yet.

As for those Tory underage gay sex parties, just google "Thatcher senior ministers underage Tory sex parties." I'm a bit shit at doing links, but google that and you'll have a merry all-night read on your hands. Gosh, there was even talk of one poor lad being murdered by a minister...don't forget to read all about the cover-ups. The Tories are good at that!

As for his denial of the pig 'n' cock (hey, great possible pub name), well aren't we all just reminded of a certain president and his "I did not have sex with that woman..." 😂


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 06:32 PM

Ah but Steve, Clinton couldn't hold a candle to the current incumbent. Give credit where due, man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 06:57 PM

Oh, I do, Greg. But at least Bill had the good taste to be fellated by a living human being as opposed to a dead pig! 😂😂😂


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 04:03 AM

Dave the Gnome - 05 Aug 17 - 05:24 PM

"The point you seem to have missed is that your mate Keith reckons that because Cameron denied the pig story he must be telling the truth."


No not quite Gnome, one of your typical deliberate misrepresentations there my little ex-Union activist.

Here is what Keith A actually did state:

Keith A of Hertford - 05 Aug 17 - 12:58 PM

Steve, re your accusations against Tories. The pig story was unsubstantiated. Lord Ashcroft who started it did not claim to have seen it. Cameron denied it. Cameron was never even a member of the society whose initiation ritual it was supposed to be.


ALL of the above leads Keith A to then state - "It never happened." - he even provided a link showing where he got his information from - so NOT simply a case of Cameron denying it eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 04:08 AM

Keith has a history of saying that things never happened. Usually saying that things he said in black and white in threads were never said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 05:19 AM

I did not do that

We will not have an election

Spot the Tory lie.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 05:33 AM

Now let us look at the following twaddle from Shaw:

Steve Shaw - 05 Aug 17 - 05:59 PM

1: Gordon Brown "promising" a referendum when he was LABOUR prime minister has got rock all to do with the TORIES holding a referendum years later".

Complete and utter bollocks Shaw the seed of an "In" or "Out" referendum was firmly planted by "Labour" under Gordon Brown - something to do with a rather strong voter reaction against the 448 Article Treaty of Lisbon. The same treaty that was rejected by ~55% of the French electorate in May 2005 and by ~62% of the Dutch electorate in June 2005. The Irish then rejected a modified version in 2008. Great pity that Gordon of Cartoon didn't hold his promised referendum to let the electorate of the UK have their say - instead he said we didn't need to hold one because other countries within the EU had already vetoed it. The EU Commission that unelected and unaccountable executive that runs the EU then did a fudge and on a technicality managed to massage the drastically amended Treaty (Now only one-fifth of the size in verbiage with only 70 articles) through WITHOUT it having to be unanimously agreed to by the EU Council of Ministers. It was the failure to honour the promise of the referendum that spurred the growth of UKIP.

2: The referendum was an entirely Tory idea, foisted on us by Cameron because he was scared shitless of UKIP nicking Tory seats in 2015 and of the long knives of his own right-wing eurosceptic faction (the same lot who forced May into an election in the vain hope she could shrug them off and the same lot who are going to see her off very shortly).

Again complete and utter bollocks Shaw. The referendum was originally Labour's idea. When the electorate did not get their promised referendum on the EU Cameron and the Conservatives promised to hold one IF they won the 2010 General Election. They did not win a majority and had to form a coalition Government. Part of the bargaining done to establish that coalition with the Lib-Dems was that the referendum had to be ditched - Cameron and the Conservatives were hammered for reneging on their promise. When the 2015 General Election came round the promise of a referendum was reintroduced, the Conservatives won this election outright and a referendum was duly held and the electorate of the UK voted LEAVE.

3: "Tories never do things in the national interest. They do things in the Tory interest, and just look at the bloody mess they've got us into."

More Shaw bollocks. Through the course of history related to Governments of Great Britain I can point to a number of occasions where Tory Prime Ministers have crashed their Governments so that the electorate could decide on the issues at hand via General Elections. There have been no such sacrifices made by any Labour Party in power.

What mess have they got us into? What has become of all the dire "doom'n'gloom" predictions of the "Remoaners"? In the last eighteen months the value of my portfolio of shares and equities has risen by 22.26% which is probably why I have "cut down the amount of triumphalist trumpeting you do about brexit (don't think we haven't noticed)." - Instead of Trumpeting I've been laughing all the way to the bank. Our economy is still rock solid and outperforming that of the Eurozone. The comments coming from German politicians are already beginning to effect the German economy and German businesses, particularly their car manufacturers who are starting to hurt and can see increasing pain on the horizon - they will tell Merkel, or whoever ends up as Chancellor of Germany, what the cost of "punishing" the UK for having the temerity to exercise it's right to leave the EU will be for Germany.

4: "I'll give it six months before you finally end up maintaining an extremely embarrassed silence about it."

This will turn out as true as all your other predictions regarding me. Remember I was supposed to have been driven from this forum months ago according to you - Hiya Stevie!!!! I'm still here, so is Keith A.

5: "This country is stuffed, and you know it."

Certainly is if Corbyn ever gets into power.

6: More Shaw nonsense regarding Brexit; "Unless brexit never happens, of course, a distinct and increasing possibility."

Brexit dear Shaw is a racing certainty - according to EU protocol and procedure - Article 50 has been triggered THERE IS NO STOPPING IT. Please don't tell me that that is not the case tell the EU Commission.

BY the 19th March 2019 the UK will be out of the EU according to EU rules and articles - all the rest, the "fudge" as you call it, still has to be agreed - and it will not be a Tory "fudge" Shaw as the EU Commission and the 27 members will have THEIR say in it.

7: As for the Tory underage sex parties? Google all you want Shaw - Track record shows:

- NOT A SINGLE ARREST
- NOT A SINGLE CONVICTION
- NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT ANY ALLEGATION

Tell you what Shaw - ever thought of talking about things that HAVE ACTUALLY HAPPENED?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 05:40 AM

5: "This country is stuffed, and you know it."

Certainly is if Corbyn ever gets into power.


Followed by

ever thought of talking about things that HAVE ACTUALLY HAPPENED?

You really couldn't make this stuff up could you.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 05:49 AM

The country is far from stuffed Gnome - if so please state why YOU think it is - I merely stated what I THOUGHT the case would be IF Corbyn ever made it to No 10. That by the way Gnome is expressing an opinion which I am entitled to do.

Shaw on the other hand is stating as fact that certain things have happened when they have not.

On the pig thing - even Corbyn, at the time, openly criticised and condemned the media over it's coverage of the so-called "piggate affair".


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 07:27 AM

Excuse me one moment:

"This will turn out as true as all your other predictions regarding me. Remember I was supposed to have been driven from this forum months ago according to you - Hiya Stevie!!!! I'm still here, so is Keith A."

Please tell me when I predicted any such thing. "All my other predictions regarding you" suggests that I go around predicting things about you all the time. Chapter and verse on that one, please.

How nice for you that your "portfolio" (told you he was a Tory!) is doing so well. Typical Tory: I'm doing just great, sod everyone else. Perfect.   I expect that your portfolio is doing a lot better than the portfolios of five million "self-employed," mostly people forced into that position against their will, thousands of young people on half the minimum wage on bogus apprenticeships, aka tea makers and floor sweepers, a million on zero-hours contracts, thousands more who lose pay for daring to go to the toilet or arrive five minutes late and who can stop work for a few minutes every six hours. Our economy is among the weakest performers in the EU. The pound is almost at parity with the euro after being above €1.40 eighteen months ago. This is fuelling inflation that employers can't meet with appropriate pay rises, a time bomb of Cameron's making. Growth is staggering to a halt and productivity can't get off the floor, in spite of these millions of extra people allegedly "in work." Explain that one away. I've mentioned this a number of times before and all we get from you is silence.

As for your referendum, please tell me when a government of opposite colour has ever been bound by the unfulfilled, abandoned promise made by a predecessor. Cameron made his own promises, sod all to do with Gordon Brown, not bound in the slightest way by what Gordon had said but not done. To suggest otherwise is utterly ridiculous. He was running scared of UKIP and he was running scared of his own vicious backwoodsmen (sorry, John). The trouble is that you'd rather construct elaborate retrospective fantasy scenarios than do that much simpler thing, face the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 08:07 AM

Read all about it!

The trip to the promised land- very lucky we missed the bus and the waters did not part!


http://www.frombearcreek.com/rule-five-labour-lunacy-friday/

According to Shaw Joe average may not know what halal means but the electorate certainly recognise batsh*t crazy at the election.
Cameron may be falsely accused of distressing one part of a pig's anatomy but we know for a fact that Corbyn would do a serious number on a pig's ear when it comes to the economy. Doncha think?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 08:14 AM

Iains is having an I'm-going-to-post-only-silly-things Sunday. Why don't you put that piece of searing wit in the joke thread, Iains? Put yourself in there while you're at it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 08:25 AM

Further porcine thoughts to try widen the discussion.

It has been reported that the Tories have several times managed to make silk purses out of pig's ears.

This is due to their successful recovery techniques applied to the economy after several periods of Labour misrule.

Reputable sources claim pigs may fly before Labour is fit to govern!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 08:26 AM

Silly Billy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 11:32 AM

Ah Shaw the great believer in stereotypes, hidebound as he is by the ideology of the "left".

"How nice for you that your "portfolio" (told you he was a Tory!) is doing so well."

Ehmmm Shaw hate to point this out to you but:

One of the biggest investors in the Stock Market in their day was the NUM - were they Tories Shaw?

George Soros champion of the left also has rather a large investment portfolio - Is he a Tory Shaw?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 11:47 AM

"Our economy is among the weakest performers in the EU."

Really Shaw? I suppose that depends on which reporting period you wish to cherry-pick. However the following remains true:

"Since 2008, UK GDP is 11 per cent higher, compared to 6 per cent higher in the eurozone.

The eurozone's current period of strong growth is thought to reflect a cyclical bounceback, also helped by the European Central Bank's ongoing monetary stimulus programme.

The single currency zone has now seen 17 successive quarters of growth.

The unemployment rate in the eurozone currently stands at 9.1 per cent, down from 12 per cent in 2013, but still double the UK's current rate of 4.5 per cent."


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:16 PM

I'll try again

Certainly is if Corbyn ever gets into power.

Followed by

ever thought of talking about things that HAVE ACTUALLY HAPPENED?

And not a hint of irony.

Tell you what Tezzer. As far as entertainment goes you are pretty good value.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:23 PM

Dave,
What, like there being evidence that Theresa May said there would not be an election until 2020?

She changed her mind.
That does not make her a liar.
If she claimed something did not happen when really it did, she would have to resign for lying.

Steve,
The referendum was an entirely Tory idea, foisted on us by Cameron because he was scared shitless of UKIP nicking Tory seats

No. Labour and the Lib Dems also promised an in/out referendum.

just reminded of a certain president and his "I did not have sex with that woman..."

What happened when he was revealed to be a liar?

Re. piggate, no-one claims to have witnessed it, there is no evidence for it at all, and he did not even belong to that society.
It never happened.
Likewise the paedophile parties, or will you provide evidence to the authorities so that charges can be brought?
They never happened.
You resort to making up shit.

I have made nothing up. I just quote what senior Labour people have said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:25 PM

I love this one as well.

One of the biggest investors in the Stock Market in their day was the NUM

Probably why Thather went all out to destroy them I suppose. Can't have oiks getting above their station. Not sure about oinks...


DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:35 PM

Another symptom is believing they are being perfectly reasonable and rational. The picture is getting clearer by the minute...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:36 PM

Sorry - Wrong thread. Maybe saying daft things without realising it is catching...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:43 PM

Heheh, nice one, Dave.

Since the referendum, Teribus, since the referendum. The country has gone down the pan in respect of the measures I indicated since then.

It doesn't matter what Labour or the LibDems said that they would do if they were in charge. They were not put in charge, and the Tories were not obliged to carry out things that parties who failed to get in charge said that they'd do if they got in charge. Why, by that measure, Keith, since Labour said they would repeal anti-union legislation, well I suppose the Tories had better get on and do it...😂 In other words, the pair of you, stop being so daft.

As for those sex parties which you are so certain never took place, in spite of a sane and honest witness having been present who was later "sidelined," isn't it amazing how you dismiss evidence that doesn't suit you yet you cling on to every little negative snippet about Corbyn that we're all sick of you repeatedly telling us about. "Don't mention antisemitism - Keith mentioned it a thousand times but he thinks he got away with it..." (with apologies to Basil Fawlty)


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 01:23 PM

This is what happens when you run out of fingers and toes.


https://video.fdub2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t42.1790-2/18312038_1913145035589565_5977293182545690624_n.mp4?efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InN

Croosword clue: 7 letters, means au fait with numbers. Starts with N
Could never apply to a labour government.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 01:26 PM

Steve, Labour is also supporting Brexit and leaving the Customs Union.

It doesn't matter what Labour or the LibDems said that they would do if they were in charge.

You can not claim it was just the Tories who wanted a referendum. Labour did too. And Lib Dems.

isn't it amazing how you dismiss evidence that doesn't suit you

I have not dismissed any evidence at all!
I just pointed out the absence of any scrap of it!

yet you cling on to every little negative snippet about Corbyn that we're all sick of you repeatedly telling us about.

I just repeat what Labour people themselves have said about him.

Anti-Semitism is more than just a "little negative snippet" and so is refusing to state his position on the regime in Venezuela.

According to senior Labour folk anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 02:09 PM

I am going to say something really, really controversial here. Just caught the last half hour of 'Dirty Dancing' and I think it is one of the best feel good films ever made.

There, I have said it now. Go to town.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 05:40 PM

Dave the Gnome - 06 Aug 17 - 12:36 PM

Sorry - Wrong thread. Maybe saying daft things without realising it is catching...


Please tell us Gnome - after all you've been doing precisely that for more than long enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 05:47 PM

Missed Poldark last week due to being in Andalucía (as you know, Dave), so watched a double bill tonight. Idiotic but mighty and with great Kernow scenery. I don't care what anyone thinks. Blub.

And sod off, Keith. Get a hobby. It's never too late.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 03:12 AM

Tell you what, Tezzer?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 05:16 AM

This is my hobby Steve.

Four Labour MPs including the Shadow Foreign Sec. demand that Corbyn states his position on Venezuela.

Numerous prominent and senior Labour people and the entire NEC which includes the leadership say that Labour has a serious problem with anti-Semitism.
They do not say that of any other party and only Labour Jews have reported anti-Semitism from their own party.

You deny that Shah made anti-Semitic comments or advocated ethnically cleansing Jews from Palestine, even though she admits both. Even Dave is not prepared to support you on that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 09:02 AM

A great day of sport yesterday both Galway Minor and Senior hurling teams reached their All Ireland finals, the minors beating Kilkenny by one point, the seniors with a win over Tipperary by the same margin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 11:01 AM

Any evidence for Tory paedo parties or Cameron and the pig?

Anything at all, or is it all just lies and made up shit?

I would never resort to shit like that.
Everything I have claimed was also claimed by senior and prominent Labour Party people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 12:40 PM

My response to all the negativity about the Labour party.

They have wiped out the Tory majority despite all the bad press. Corbyn has brought a breath of fresh air into politics and Labour will win the next election.

No more to be said really.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 12:42 PM

I haven't said anything about "paedo parties." Just goes to show, Keith, just goes to show. You have a HISTORY of being FRAUDULENT and VULGAR when it comes to reporting what people have said. You never learn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 02:23 PM

Steve,
I haven't said anything about "paedo parties."

Yes you have.
You said the Tories,
had a previous leader who exulted in sticking his dick into a dead pig's mouth (lie!) and which ran parties which exploited underage boys for sex.

Dave, the Tories have a reduced majority, but it has not been "wiped out."

How you two would set upon me if I made such careless "mistakes."


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 02:40 PM

Hi Dave

<" Just caught the last half hour of 'Dirty Dancing">

Last year my good lady and I were in Llandudno. We noticed that Dirty Dancing was on at the Theatre there. Her indoors wanted to see it and persuaded me to take her. Needless to say that she won and we went...... < Whispering > I really enjoyed it !!! Must be getting old.   lol

Regards

Mike

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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 03:06 PM

It is pretty good isn't it Mike. Glad it is not just me :-)

Watched 'the Sweeney' film the other day with Ray Winstone in the Jack Reagan role. Not a patch on the original series but it had its moments. I really liked that they had a car chase with the Sweeney in a suped up Ford Fiesta and the villain in an F type Jag - I suppose no one who watched the original would miss the significance :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 03:10 PM

Steve Shaw - 07 Aug 17 - 12:42 PM

Bit rich that Shaw seeing as you are a proven liar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 03:13 PM

Keith. No single party has enough seats for a majority, Hence the majority that the Tories used to have no longer exists. No longer exists = wiped out. Anything else is just spin and not worth pursuing.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 03:36 PM

Excuse me. There is a massive difference between paedophilia and abuse of post-pubertal but underage boys. Why don't you blokes apprise yourself of the difference? Why, even akenaton has shown that he knows the difference. All my posts refer to underage sex but never to paedophilia, which was not involved. What a pair of clowns. Jeri is dead right. We should ignore you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 05:36 PM

The definition of paedophilia is by no means clear cut.

Oxford English dictionary:Sexual feelings directed towards children.

merriam Webster:: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object; specifically : a psychological disorder in which an adult has sexual fantasies about or engages in sexual acts with a prepubescent child

The International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10) defines it as a sexual preference for children of prepubertal or early pubertal age.

The onset of puberty varies among individuals. Puberty usually occurs in girls between the ages of 10 and 14, while in boys it generally occurs later, between the ages of 12 and 16.

"There is a massive difference between paedophilia and abuse of post-pubertal but underage boys. Why don't you blokes apprise yourself of the difference?"

I see a problem already here! I recommend a study of the document
Definitions of Paedophilia - UWE Research Repository.(I am afraid my link kept failing when I tried to create it)

The definition of paedophilia varies depending on the dictionary used to define it, whether it is being used in a medical context, or in a legal context. It also varies by country.
It seems to me the inconsistancies that exist make any attempt to define the term rather meaningless. Sentencing generally seems more harsh as the victim becomes younger and the age of the perpetrator gets older. That to me is a far more critical result than using a word that means different things to different people of varying ages.
A prepubertal male could be any age from 12 to16 yet the UK and Ireland Paedophile database uses the following definitions:

    Infantophilia, or Nepiophilia, is used to refer to a sexual preference for infants and toddlers (usually ages 0–3)
    Paedophilia is used for individuals with a primary sexual interest in prepubescent children aged 13 or younger
    Hebephilia is defined as individuals with a primary sexual interest in 12-15 year old pubescents

Surely it is the crime that is the significant fact, not a name given to the perpetrator.

I admit I am totally confused and unable to obtain a consistent catchall descriptor for a paedofile


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 07:07 PM

Well I'm sorry you went to all that pointless effort. Several things. I said underage, not paedophilia. If I'd meant paedophilia, I'd have said paedophilia. But I didn't. Finally, anyone googling what I suggested they googled about those Tory underage sex parties in the 80s would have instantly recognised that the thing was not about paedophilia. I find that quite interesting. It seems to betray the fact that you didn't bother with the googling. "Adverse stories about Tories simply can't be true - I don't even need to look it up!"

Er, yes you do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Aug 17 - 01:58 AM

So in short Shaw

1: You have absolutely no evidence at all to support your allegations. Having been given ample opportunity to provide some of this host of evidence you say exists - these turn out to be allegations, rumours and myths on examination - it therefore becomes simply more "Made-Up-Shit" from one of the "Usual Suspects".

2: No arrests, no convictions. (Any explanation for that Shaw?)

3: The Conservative Party per se, has never been investigated with regard to any underage sex scandal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 08 Aug 17 - 03:48 AM

Shaw I suggest you read what I posted more closely.paedophilia:
"The International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10) defines it as a sexual preference for children of prepubertal or early pubertal age."
Now depending on definition and situation that can mean any age up to 18 as puberty may not occur until age 16 for some males.

Now what were you saying?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 17 - 03:52 AM

No arrests, no convictions.

There have been no arrests and no convictions for racially aggravated crimes such as the antisemitism that some are being accused of but that does not seem to stop you from saying it is true. One law for you and your mates and one for everyone else Tezzer?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Aug 17 - 04:13 AM

Not the case at all gnome as well you know. All along Keith A has gone to great length and great pains to point out repeatedly:

That the Labour Party has a problem with anti-Semitism is the opinion of Labour's NEC, prominent members of the Parliamentary Labour Party, Jewish members of the Labour Party and a certain Labour MP Naz Shah who openly admitted, acknowledged and apologised publicly in the House of Commons for, through her own ignorance, for making anti-Semitic remarks - All of which Shaw, and obviously you yourself, refuse to acknowledge. Ken Livingstone still remains suspended from the Labour Party for "bringing the Labour Party into disrepute" for his defence of Shah's remarks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 17 - 05:04 AM

You used the phrase 'No arrests, no convictions' to confirm that allegations were untrue. I am just doing the same.

Seemples.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Aug 17 - 05:23 AM

Steve,
Excuse me. There is a massive difference between paedophilia and abuse of post-pubertal but underage boys.

You did not specify post pubertal boys Steve.
You just said "underage boys."

How old were the non-existent boys Steve, and how do you know?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Aug 17 - 05:30 AM

Dave, the anti-Semitism may not have warranted criminal charges but we do know that Shah, Livingstone and others made those comments.
There is no evidence at all that those underage sex parties or pig shagging ever happened at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 17 - 05:36 AM

Antisemitism is a crime in the UK. If it happened there would have been a criminal investigation followed by arrests and convictions.

DtG


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