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BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 02:09 PM
Keith A of Hertford 06 Aug 17 - 01:26 PM
Iains 06 Aug 17 - 01:23 PM
Steve Shaw 06 Aug 17 - 12:43 PM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 12:36 PM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 12:35 PM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 12:25 PM
Keith A of Hertford 06 Aug 17 - 12:23 PM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 12:16 PM
Teribus 06 Aug 17 - 11:47 AM
Teribus 06 Aug 17 - 11:32 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Aug 17 - 08:26 AM
Iains 06 Aug 17 - 08:25 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Aug 17 - 08:14 AM
Iains 06 Aug 17 - 08:07 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Aug 17 - 07:27 AM
Teribus 06 Aug 17 - 05:49 AM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 05:40 AM
Teribus 06 Aug 17 - 05:33 AM
Dave the Gnome 06 Aug 17 - 05:19 AM
Steve Shaw 06 Aug 17 - 04:08 AM
Teribus 06 Aug 17 - 04:03 AM
Steve Shaw 05 Aug 17 - 06:57 PM
Greg F. 05 Aug 17 - 06:32 PM
Steve Shaw 05 Aug 17 - 05:59 PM
Greg F. 05 Aug 17 - 05:53 PM
Dave the Gnome 05 Aug 17 - 05:24 PM
Teribus 05 Aug 17 - 05:20 PM
Dave the Gnome 05 Aug 17 - 04:12 PM
Iains 05 Aug 17 - 04:07 PM
Keith A of Hertford 05 Aug 17 - 01:06 PM
Raggytash 05 Aug 17 - 01:01 PM
Keith A of Hertford 05 Aug 17 - 12:58 PM
Raggytash 05 Aug 17 - 12:22 PM
MikeL2 05 Aug 17 - 06:26 AM
Keith A of Hertford 05 Aug 17 - 05:11 AM
Iains 05 Aug 17 - 04:10 AM
Teribus 05 Aug 17 - 02:20 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 06:45 PM
Steve Shaw 04 Aug 17 - 05:06 PM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 03:00 PM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 10:15 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Aug 17 - 09:58 AM
Steve Shaw 04 Aug 17 - 09:57 AM
Raggytash 04 Aug 17 - 09:47 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Aug 17 - 09:41 AM
Keith A of Hertford 04 Aug 17 - 09:13 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 02:09 PM

I am going to say something really, really controversial here. Just caught the last half hour of 'Dirty Dancing' and I think it is one of the best feel good films ever made.

There, I have said it now. Go to town.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 01:26 PM

Steve, Labour is also supporting Brexit and leaving the Customs Union.

It doesn't matter what Labour or the LibDems said that they would do if they were in charge.

You can not claim it was just the Tories who wanted a referendum. Labour did too. And Lib Dems.

isn't it amazing how you dismiss evidence that doesn't suit you

I have not dismissed any evidence at all!
I just pointed out the absence of any scrap of it!

yet you cling on to every little negative snippet about Corbyn that we're all sick of you repeatedly telling us about.

I just repeat what Labour people themselves have said about him.

Anti-Semitism is more than just a "little negative snippet" and so is refusing to state his position on the regime in Venezuela.

According to senior Labour folk anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 01:23 PM

This is what happens when you run out of fingers and toes.


https://video.fdub2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t42.1790-2/18312038_1913145035589565_5977293182545690624_n.mp4?efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InN

Croosword clue: 7 letters, means au fait with numbers. Starts with N
Could never apply to a labour government.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:43 PM

Heheh, nice one, Dave.

Since the referendum, Teribus, since the referendum. The country has gone down the pan in respect of the measures I indicated since then.

It doesn't matter what Labour or the LibDems said that they would do if they were in charge. They were not put in charge, and the Tories were not obliged to carry out things that parties who failed to get in charge said that they'd do if they got in charge. Why, by that measure, Keith, since Labour said they would repeal anti-union legislation, well I suppose the Tories had better get on and do it...😂 In other words, the pair of you, stop being so daft.

As for those sex parties which you are so certain never took place, in spite of a sane and honest witness having been present who was later "sidelined," isn't it amazing how you dismiss evidence that doesn't suit you yet you cling on to every little negative snippet about Corbyn that we're all sick of you repeatedly telling us about. "Don't mention antisemitism - Keith mentioned it a thousand times but he thinks he got away with it..." (with apologies to Basil Fawlty)


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:36 PM

Sorry - Wrong thread. Maybe saying daft things without realising it is catching...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:35 PM

Another symptom is believing they are being perfectly reasonable and rational. The picture is getting clearer by the minute...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:25 PM

I love this one as well.

One of the biggest investors in the Stock Market in their day was the NUM

Probably why Thather went all out to destroy them I suppose. Can't have oiks getting above their station. Not sure about oinks...


DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:23 PM

Dave,
What, like there being evidence that Theresa May said there would not be an election until 2020?

She changed her mind.
That does not make her a liar.
If she claimed something did not happen when really it did, she would have to resign for lying.

Steve,
The referendum was an entirely Tory idea, foisted on us by Cameron because he was scared shitless of UKIP nicking Tory seats

No. Labour and the Lib Dems also promised an in/out referendum.

just reminded of a certain president and his "I did not have sex with that woman..."

What happened when he was revealed to be a liar?

Re. piggate, no-one claims to have witnessed it, there is no evidence for it at all, and he did not even belong to that society.
It never happened.
Likewise the paedophile parties, or will you provide evidence to the authorities so that charges can be brought?
They never happened.
You resort to making up shit.

I have made nothing up. I just quote what senior Labour people have said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:16 PM

I'll try again

Certainly is if Corbyn ever gets into power.

Followed by

ever thought of talking about things that HAVE ACTUALLY HAPPENED?

And not a hint of irony.

Tell you what Tezzer. As far as entertainment goes you are pretty good value.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 11:47 AM

"Our economy is among the weakest performers in the EU."

Really Shaw? I suppose that depends on which reporting period you wish to cherry-pick. However the following remains true:

"Since 2008, UK GDP is 11 per cent higher, compared to 6 per cent higher in the eurozone.

The eurozone's current period of strong growth is thought to reflect a cyclical bounceback, also helped by the European Central Bank's ongoing monetary stimulus programme.

The single currency zone has now seen 17 successive quarters of growth.

The unemployment rate in the eurozone currently stands at 9.1 per cent, down from 12 per cent in 2013, but still double the UK's current rate of 4.5 per cent."


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 11:32 AM

Ah Shaw the great believer in stereotypes, hidebound as he is by the ideology of the "left".

"How nice for you that your "portfolio" (told you he was a Tory!) is doing so well."

Ehmmm Shaw hate to point this out to you but:

One of the biggest investors in the Stock Market in their day was the NUM - were they Tories Shaw?

George Soros champion of the left also has rather a large investment portfolio - Is he a Tory Shaw?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 08:26 AM

Silly Billy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 08:25 AM

Further porcine thoughts to try widen the discussion.

It has been reported that the Tories have several times managed to make silk purses out of pig's ears.

This is due to their successful recovery techniques applied to the economy after several periods of Labour misrule.

Reputable sources claim pigs may fly before Labour is fit to govern!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 08:14 AM

Iains is having an I'm-going-to-post-only-silly-things Sunday. Why don't you put that piece of searing wit in the joke thread, Iains? Put yourself in there while you're at it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 08:07 AM

Read all about it!

The trip to the promised land- very lucky we missed the bus and the waters did not part!


http://www.frombearcreek.com/rule-five-labour-lunacy-friday/

According to Shaw Joe average may not know what halal means but the electorate certainly recognise batsh*t crazy at the election.
Cameron may be falsely accused of distressing one part of a pig's anatomy but we know for a fact that Corbyn would do a serious number on a pig's ear when it comes to the economy. Doncha think?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 07:27 AM

Excuse me one moment:

"This will turn out as true as all your other predictions regarding me. Remember I was supposed to have been driven from this forum months ago according to you - Hiya Stevie!!!! I'm still here, so is Keith A."

Please tell me when I predicted any such thing. "All my other predictions regarding you" suggests that I go around predicting things about you all the time. Chapter and verse on that one, please.

How nice for you that your "portfolio" (told you he was a Tory!) is doing so well. Typical Tory: I'm doing just great, sod everyone else. Perfect.   I expect that your portfolio is doing a lot better than the portfolios of five million "self-employed," mostly people forced into that position against their will, thousands of young people on half the minimum wage on bogus apprenticeships, aka tea makers and floor sweepers, a million on zero-hours contracts, thousands more who lose pay for daring to go to the toilet or arrive five minutes late and who can stop work for a few minutes every six hours. Our economy is among the weakest performers in the EU. The pound is almost at parity with the euro after being above €1.40 eighteen months ago. This is fuelling inflation that employers can't meet with appropriate pay rises, a time bomb of Cameron's making. Growth is staggering to a halt and productivity can't get off the floor, in spite of these millions of extra people allegedly "in work." Explain that one away. I've mentioned this a number of times before and all we get from you is silence.

As for your referendum, please tell me when a government of opposite colour has ever been bound by the unfulfilled, abandoned promise made by a predecessor. Cameron made his own promises, sod all to do with Gordon Brown, not bound in the slightest way by what Gordon had said but not done. To suggest otherwise is utterly ridiculous. He was running scared of UKIP and he was running scared of his own vicious backwoodsmen (sorry, John). The trouble is that you'd rather construct elaborate retrospective fantasy scenarios than do that much simpler thing, face the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 05:49 AM

The country is far from stuffed Gnome - if so please state why YOU think it is - I merely stated what I THOUGHT the case would be IF Corbyn ever made it to No 10. That by the way Gnome is expressing an opinion which I am entitled to do.

Shaw on the other hand is stating as fact that certain things have happened when they have not.

On the pig thing - even Corbyn, at the time, openly criticised and condemned the media over it's coverage of the so-called "piggate affair".


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 05:40 AM

5: "This country is stuffed, and you know it."

Certainly is if Corbyn ever gets into power.


Followed by

ever thought of talking about things that HAVE ACTUALLY HAPPENED?

You really couldn't make this stuff up could you.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 05:33 AM

Now let us look at the following twaddle from Shaw:

Steve Shaw - 05 Aug 17 - 05:59 PM

1: Gordon Brown "promising" a referendum when he was LABOUR prime minister has got rock all to do with the TORIES holding a referendum years later".

Complete and utter bollocks Shaw the seed of an "In" or "Out" referendum was firmly planted by "Labour" under Gordon Brown - something to do with a rather strong voter reaction against the 448 Article Treaty of Lisbon. The same treaty that was rejected by ~55% of the French electorate in May 2005 and by ~62% of the Dutch electorate in June 2005. The Irish then rejected a modified version in 2008. Great pity that Gordon of Cartoon didn't hold his promised referendum to let the electorate of the UK have their say - instead he said we didn't need to hold one because other countries within the EU had already vetoed it. The EU Commission that unelected and unaccountable executive that runs the EU then did a fudge and on a technicality managed to massage the drastically amended Treaty (Now only one-fifth of the size in verbiage with only 70 articles) through WITHOUT it having to be unanimously agreed to by the EU Council of Ministers. It was the failure to honour the promise of the referendum that spurred the growth of UKIP.

2: The referendum was an entirely Tory idea, foisted on us by Cameron because he was scared shitless of UKIP nicking Tory seats in 2015 and of the long knives of his own right-wing eurosceptic faction (the same lot who forced May into an election in the vain hope she could shrug them off and the same lot who are going to see her off very shortly).

Again complete and utter bollocks Shaw. The referendum was originally Labour's idea. When the electorate did not get their promised referendum on the EU Cameron and the Conservatives promised to hold one IF they won the 2010 General Election. They did not win a majority and had to form a coalition Government. Part of the bargaining done to establish that coalition with the Lib-Dems was that the referendum had to be ditched - Cameron and the Conservatives were hammered for reneging on their promise. When the 2015 General Election came round the promise of a referendum was reintroduced, the Conservatives won this election outright and a referendum was duly held and the electorate of the UK voted LEAVE.

3: "Tories never do things in the national interest. They do things in the Tory interest, and just look at the bloody mess they've got us into."

More Shaw bollocks. Through the course of history related to Governments of Great Britain I can point to a number of occasions where Tory Prime Ministers have crashed their Governments so that the electorate could decide on the issues at hand via General Elections. There have been no such sacrifices made by any Labour Party in power.

What mess have they got us into? What has become of all the dire "doom'n'gloom" predictions of the "Remoaners"? In the last eighteen months the value of my portfolio of shares and equities has risen by 22.26% which is probably why I have "cut down the amount of triumphalist trumpeting you do about brexit (don't think we haven't noticed)." - Instead of Trumpeting I've been laughing all the way to the bank. Our economy is still rock solid and outperforming that of the Eurozone. The comments coming from German politicians are already beginning to effect the German economy and German businesses, particularly their car manufacturers who are starting to hurt and can see increasing pain on the horizon - they will tell Merkel, or whoever ends up as Chancellor of Germany, what the cost of "punishing" the UK for having the temerity to exercise it's right to leave the EU will be for Germany.

4: "I'll give it six months before you finally end up maintaining an extremely embarrassed silence about it."

This will turn out as true as all your other predictions regarding me. Remember I was supposed to have been driven from this forum months ago according to you - Hiya Stevie!!!! I'm still here, so is Keith A.

5: "This country is stuffed, and you know it."

Certainly is if Corbyn ever gets into power.

6: More Shaw nonsense regarding Brexit; "Unless brexit never happens, of course, a distinct and increasing possibility."

Brexit dear Shaw is a racing certainty - according to EU protocol and procedure - Article 50 has been triggered THERE IS NO STOPPING IT. Please don't tell me that that is not the case tell the EU Commission.

BY the 19th March 2019 the UK will be out of the EU according to EU rules and articles - all the rest, the "fudge" as you call it, still has to be agreed - and it will not be a Tory "fudge" Shaw as the EU Commission and the 27 members will have THEIR say in it.

7: As for the Tory underage sex parties? Google all you want Shaw - Track record shows:

- NOT A SINGLE ARREST
- NOT A SINGLE CONVICTION
- NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT ANY ALLEGATION

Tell you what Shaw - ever thought of talking about things that HAVE ACTUALLY HAPPENED?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 05:19 AM

I did not do that

We will not have an election

Spot the Tory lie.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 04:08 AM

Keith has a history of saying that things never happened. Usually saying that things he said in black and white in threads were never said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 04:03 AM

Dave the Gnome - 05 Aug 17 - 05:24 PM

"The point you seem to have missed is that your mate Keith reckons that because Cameron denied the pig story he must be telling the truth."


No not quite Gnome, one of your typical deliberate misrepresentations there my little ex-Union activist.

Here is what Keith A actually did state:

Keith A of Hertford - 05 Aug 17 - 12:58 PM

Steve, re your accusations against Tories. The pig story was unsubstantiated. Lord Ashcroft who started it did not claim to have seen it. Cameron denied it. Cameron was never even a member of the society whose initiation ritual it was supposed to be.


ALL of the above leads Keith A to then state - "It never happened." - he even provided a link showing where he got his information from - so NOT simply a case of Cameron denying it eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 06:57 PM

Oh, I do, Greg. But at least Bill had the good taste to be fellated by a living human being as opposed to a dead pig! 😂😂😂


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 06:32 PM

Ah but Steve, Clinton couldn't hold a candle to the current incumbent. Give credit where due, man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 05:59 PM

Gordon Brown "promising" a referendum when he was LABOUR prime minister has got rock all to do with the TORIES holding a referendum years later. The referendum was an entirely Tory idea, foisted on us by Cameron because he was scared shitless of UKIP nicking Tory seats in 2015 and of the long knives of his own right-wing eurosceptic faction (the same lot who forced May into an election in the vain hope she could shrug them off and the same lot who are going to see her off very shortly). Tories never do things in the national interest. They do things in the Tory interest, and just look at the bloody mess they've got us into. I'll tell you what, Teribus. You've already cut down the amount of triumphalist trumpeting you do about brexit (don't think we haven't noticed). I'll give it six months before you finally end up maintaining an extremely embarrassed silence about it. This country is stuffed, and you know it. Unless brexit never happens, of course, a distinct and increasing possibility. We're already talking about a three-year transitional Tory fudge. And we haven't even started yet.

As for those Tory underage gay sex parties, just google "Thatcher senior ministers underage Tory sex parties." I'm a bit shit at doing links, but google that and you'll have a merry all-night read on your hands. Gosh, there was even talk of one poor lad being murdered by a minister...don't forget to read all about the cover-ups. The Tories are good at that!

As for his denial of the pig 'n' cock (hey, great possible pub name), well aren't we all just reminded of a certain president and his "I did not have sex with that woman..." 😂


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 05:53 PM

He could not deny it if there was actual evidence that it was true.

Obvoiously The Professor is a top advisor to Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 05:24 PM

Absolutely, Teribus. That is what I am getting at. The point you seem to have missed is that your mate Keith reckons that because Cameron denied the pig story he must be telling the truth. Because politicians always tell the truth like you have just pointed out...

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 05:20 PM

"like there being evidence that Theresa May said there would not be an election until 2020? I guess that the election this year did not prove her a liar which is why she did not resign?"

Are you really that childishly idiotic Gnome?

Politicians constantly change their minds, just like the rest of the human race and guess what chubs - IT IS ACTUALLY ALLOWED.

If you want to set out lists of political promises broken the thread would be longer than the TMOABS Thread. Here's one to get you going:

Gordon Brown promised the electorate of the UK a referendum on EU Membership. We didn't get one, at the tie Gnome I didn't hear you clamouring for his resignation. But of course one law for the goose another for the gander with your lot isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 04:12 PM

He could not deny it if there was actual evidence that it was true.
That would prove him a liar and force his resignation.


What, like there being evidence that Theresa May said there would not be an election until 2020? I guess that the election this year did not prove her a liar which is why she did not resign?

As to the white flag comment. Well, yes, you have won yet again. Well done. Keep it up and you will get over whatever the issues are...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 04:07 PM

Apologies all. Could not resist the temptation.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/you-wanna-cut-down-on-your-porklife-dave?utm_term=.pok1J3jmy#.llDQxn2Zk


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 01:06 PM

He could not deny it if there was actual evidence that it was true.
That would prove him a liar and force his resignation.
There is no evidence at all that it ever happened.
It is entirely unsubstantiated and no-one claims to have witnessed it, so why should we take it seriously Rag?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 01:01 PM

Of course he denied it. Do you really think he would do otherwise!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 12:58 PM

Steve, re your accusations against Tories.
The pig story was unsubstantiated.
Lord Ashcroft who started it did not claim to have seen it.
Cameron denied it.
Cameron was never even a member of the society whose initiation ritual it was supposed to be.
It never happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggate

Your story about paedophile parties is just a lie.
Made up shit Steve.

We now have four Labour MPs including the Shadow Foreign Secretary demanding Corbyn say something about Venezuela.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 12:22 PM

Meanwhile on the Connemara, great music last night. Two young lads, one on guitar one on flute/whistle played the early session followed by my mate on guitar with melodeon backing. I added a few songs with my good lady and a mate over from England added a few. I think we left the bar before 2, I think!!😁😋😄


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 06:26 AM

Hi

<" prime minister who told us us one thing then did another">

Thought that was in the DNA of all Prime ministers and politicians.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 05:11 AM

steve,
That's your lot, Keith. But not a word from you about any of that.

They are not my lot or my party.
Not a word because I do not defend any of it.

Dave,
My view is that you are a complete prat and that you are incapable of accepting that.

When you resort to name calling, we know you have nothing else to contribute. It is equivalent to a white flag.
The Guardian must all be prats too, because they published this yesterday,

"Labour's shadow foreign secretary, Emily Thornberry, has said Venezuela's government has a duty to answer concerns about Nicolás Maduro's "increasingly authoritarian rule", as pressure mounted on Jeremy Corbyn to speak out.
The party leader was a longtime admirer of Venezuela under its late socialist leader Hugo Chávez, saying in 2013 he was "an inspiration to all of us fighting back against austerity and neoliberal economics in Europe".

"Corbyn has also previously given his backing to Maduro, Chávez's successor. In 2014, he rang to congratulate the new president live on a Venezuelan television channel, where Maduro introduced the Labour leader as a "friend of Venezuela". "
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/02/labour-concerns-on-venezuela-raise-pressure-on-jeremy-corbyn-to-speak-out


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Iains
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 04:10 AM

"and which ran parties which exploited underage boys for sex." Poor Shaw.
The dear boy is completely losing the plot. As he has an obsession to dominate every thread like a rather nasty rash he is now reduced to making the most ridiculous claims.

Meanwhile if we step out of young stevie's fantasy world back into reality here is another little labour gem for him to sink his rabid, ferrety teeth into:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/03/newsnight-encounter-corbynista-revealed-true-hypocrisy-labours/


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Aug 17 - 02:20 AM

"Supported" Shaw?? IIRC during the Falklands I believe that Pinochet assisted us.

I believe that every government of the UK has "supported" every US President and administration since the end of the Second World War. In what way did the UK "support" US meddling in Central America? Our only involvement in the region was focused in guaranteeing the freedom and independence of a place called Belize.

The "unnecessary referendum" you referred to was originally promised the electorate of the UK by a Labour Prime Minister - Gordon Brown.

The last election? It was a shambles from the Tory POV, but having said that we still DO HAVE a Tory Government that will see Brexit delivered. The Labour vote and their empty and ill-thought-out manifesto are constantly being revealed for exactly what any sentient human being would recognise - all hot air, totally impracticable and financially suicidal.

Dare say you did some bloody stupid things in your youth Shaw.

As far as the Conservative Party having "ran parties which exploited underage boys for sex" Shaw. I take it that you can provide details of those arrested, tried and convicted of these activities that you claim happened? Or are trials and convictions imminent? You see as far as I am aware no such charges have ever been levelled.

Also as far as I know - you are a member of a political party, you have stated so often enough in support of your pal Corbyn - neither Keith A, or myself are members of any political party and this you have been told repeatedly (UK electorate numbers some 46,500,001 voters - Total UK membership of political parties numbers less than 1,200,000 if you are lucky).


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 06:45 PM

Nothing prevents you from expressing your views, you are just incapable of doing so.

My view is that you are a complete prat and that you are incapable of accepting that. I suspect that you will tell me that this does not count.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 05:06 PM

Not so. I have repeatedly expressed the view that your party supported Pinochet, supported Reagan when he was backing bastards in central America, called for a completely unnecessary referendum that is rapidly wrecking this country, has a prime minister who told us us one thing then did another and utterly screwed up, had a previous leader who exulted in sticking his dick into a dead pig's mouth and which ran parties which exploited underage boys for sex. That's your lot, Keith. But not a word from you about any of that. You are a hypocrite and a bigot.

Of course, you will tell us that it isn't your party. But hang on, what's that I hear? Why, it's the cock crowing for the third time...


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 03:00 PM

But it is not a political thread. It is a thread just to abuse the Labour party.

No it is not.
It is a thread where views can be expressed, or should be.
You people just do not want any views expressed that you don't like.

Nothing prevents you from expressing your views, you are just incapable of doing so.

I have made a critical case and backed it with numerous quotes from numerous prominent Labour people and even the leadership.
Sadly you are all incapable of formulating any kind of reply or finding anything to substantiate your vacuous assertions.

So you try to wreck it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 10:15 AM

Sister is arriving for a visit tonight and she is from Burton on Trent so I have better make sure our Yorkshire beer is at it's best! I think they are stopping for the weekend but will be a bit late. They were going to come up in the same car Moses came down the mountain in (you can work it out :-) ) but it broke down so they had to go back and collect the Ford. Off to Haworth tomorrow and not quite sure what else but Mrs has just phoned to ask if I will pick up another bottle of wine.

Sounds promising...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 09:58 AM

I meant that I CAN tell you that the beer's good!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 09:57 AM

I'll tell you tomorrow what's it's like where I am. I can't tell you that the beer's good...and the bar's open...plenty of socialists too...


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 09:47 AM

It,s a glorious day here on the Connemara, more music beckons tonight!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 09:41 AM

But it is not a political thread. It is a thread just to abuse the Labour party. The only things that you and your cronies have posted on here are negative views of Corbyn or anyone who supports him. Any attempt to support him or the party or any mention of the countless faults of the Tories are met with sneers and ridicule.

Yet even though you have tried your hardest the reputation of the Labour party and Corbyn have gone from strength to strength to the extent that they have wiped out the Tory majority. You all predicted otherwise and cannot stand it because you have been proved wrong so you resort to posting on forum that has so few rules that you get away with all sorts of things that you would have been banned from doing on a serious site.

People have seen through you. they know that serious discussion is an impossibility with you as all you want to do is 'win'. Well, as I keep saying, go ahead. Feel free to keep saying you win if it makes you happy. No skin off my nose and I know that everyone bar a handful can see what is really happening.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 09:13 AM

But for the antics of you two, it could have continued to be a serious thread.
I have only made serious points, and backed them with serious quotes from prominent Labour Party people.

You people were unable to reply and so have tried to disrupt the thread.

You dominate all political threads here, and when you can't you just disrupt them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 08:18 AM

Get a grip, Dave. You missed out a couple of letters Let me put it right.



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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 07:48 AM

Serious threads?

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:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Aug 17 - 07:06 AM

So what does give you the right to mess up serious threads with irrelevant prattling, and why did you bring God into it?


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