BS: The Alternative Facts Thread

Subject: BS: The Alternative Truths Thread
From: Stu
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 10:02 AM

I thought it might be an idea for us to record the "Alternative Truths" that is coming out of the Trump camp as in years to come this might make for interesting reading. Seeing as the many eyes of Catters are better than just the one pair of eyes, here's the thread. Post links where possible for future researchers to follow.

Finally, if you want to quibble about the veracity of these truths all well and good, just go and do it on a dedicated thread please. We're recording them for posterity.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Truths Thread
From: Stu
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 10:07 AM

To get the ball rolling, here's Kellyanne Conway (who uttered the phrase "alternative truths") justifying Trump's immigrant ban using the example of a massacre she made up. Link: Washington Post

Kellyanne Conway cites 'Bowling Green massacre' that never happened

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Truths Thread
From: Stu
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 10:11 AM

Ah, it's "alternative facts" not "alternative truths". If a Mudelf would change the title I'd be grateful.

Here's the interview itself: Kellyanne Conway: "He offered alternative facts"

Link: The Guardian video of NBC interview.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Truths Thread
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 11:21 AM

In a blast from the past reminiscent of The Gulf of Tonkin, "White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer asserted at Thursday's press briefing that Iran had attacked a U.S. naval vessel..."

Here's the story.

(This Spicer person must be the most inept Press Secretary ever. He's tasked with doling out information, yet he seems to always be the least informed person in the room.)

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Truths Thread
From: Stu
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 11:29 AM

Here's the inauguration story with analysis. Link: USA Today

Fact Check: The controversy over Trump's inauguration crowd size

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 01:31 PM

This site will help you keep track of the daily antics of the current administration:

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 08:54 PM

We used to provide alternate facts to my mother:

HE did it!

Paint? We didn't paint anything.

It looks like mine, but it's not.

Of course that's the truth!

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 08:09 AM

About 75% of what comes from Tromp is either wrong, spin or a lie but that is from my perspective. So much is BS reporters never seem to catch even half of the falsehoods.

By interjecting lies into a stream of disjointed statements they are mostly overlooked. They do not need to be official alt facts.

For example he has interjected the statement that " no one holds Government with more disdain than Barak Obama "

No one challenged the statement even though Barak was about the art of the possible.

I know the hypnosis in propaganda, you know all the alternative facts and the base believes him and forgives Trump being Tromp.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 09:13 AM

It seems Federal Judge James Roberts os a "so-called judge".

This post is from a so-called DMcG

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 09:16 AM

Who was it said trees cause pollution?

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 09:31 AM

a Speechwriter for Ronald Reagan pointed out that Pine trees exude Turpentine like fumes at night.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 10:38 AM

I laughed when I heard that "so-called judge" comment, then quickly realised that it was bloody unfunny. It was an attack on the rule of law just as bad as the Daily Mail's "enemies of the people" attack on our high court judges when they found against Theresa May's effort to circumvent the sovereignty of parliament. Be vigilant, yanks.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 11:13 AM

If Tromp feels comfortable gunning for the media, he thinks he has other outlets for his messages.

His problemo is that: Amazon, Apple, Micro$oft and Google are all revealing their willingness to stand up to Twitler. Farcbook has not revealed its hand, or has it? I keep getting National Parks type posts that show no other author. And I haven't friended them. Now how does that happen? Think it through..............

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: meself
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 11:25 AM

I'm surprised that every time Spicer justifies some outrage by saying that it's what Trump campaigned on, and what 'the American people' elected him to do, that some reporter doesn't point out that more people voted against than for him. They don't, though .....

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 12:12 PM

Isn't Spicer an arrogant, insulant, whiney, not so little brat?
I would wait in line to slap his face, which is something I haven't done since I was 10.

I just got back from shopping where a fight broke out in a parking lot between a white haired bigot who told 5 black folks to get out of the country. Fists yelling thrown cans...

The police let the white guy go on self defense grounds. Not so the black women.

This sentiment goes down to the kids. At soccer matches if one team has more Spanish speaking kids the other team chants USA USA

We are in for more Fergusons.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 08:38 PM

"I'm surprised that every time Spicer justifies some outrage by saying that it's what Trump campaigned on, and what 'the American people' elected him to do, that some reporter doesn't point out that more people voted against than for him. They don't, though ...."

Agreed. And I'm also surprised when the fact that he's carrying out the things he said he would is regarded as in some way virtuous. The things he said he'd do were all bloody awful. If I promised to cut off the bollocks of all male prisoners, pour encourager les autres, and carried it out, you wouldn't exactly be praising me, would you?

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 08:55 PM

Are there any songs about the Bowling Green Massacre yet?

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: meself
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 09:10 PM

The horriblest sight you never seen,
The truth massacred at Bowling Green.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 04:30 AM

I hadnt expected to get to such a critical point so soon, but Trump has appealed the judge's decision and the appeal has been denied. So now Trump has to accept his position has limitations, which is not really in his nature, or take on the whole legal system. Watch this space ...

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 06:18 AM

I somehow think it is ironic that JFK had quite a time with Maralyn Monre and even Marlene Dietrich et al apparently without us knowing properly. But Twitler is probably being watched on this subject rather more closely.

A tactic I am sure he thinks is distracting the media from the fact that he is doing it (actually) to the country (or should that be countries?).

Just saying.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 04:55 AM

I give up on this thread. There's no way we can keep up with the amount of lies coming out of trump and his supporters. Unreported massacres in Europe? Fuck off.

If you believe that shit, you get what you deserve. Of course, other people who don't deserve it will get it too.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:11 AM

San Bernardino, Orlando, Paris, Nice. These are among the list of 78 unreported and under-reported terrorist incidents submitted by the Trump administration. Incidents that got so much coverage I only had to mention the cities' names and you knew exactly what I was talking about. Yet they were "under-reported"....

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:21 AM

The full list is here: The full list of Trump's 'under-reported' terror attacks and how they were reported.

Note the spelling is the White House's original. Amazing.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 07:17 AM

Good grief. The Martin Place (Sydney) siege was live on UK TV! How is that "under reported".

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 10:03 AM

"I'm also surprised when the fact that he's [President Trump] carrying out the things he said he would is regarded as in some way virtuous. The things he said he'd do were all bloody awful. [In your opinion but obviously not to the voters in far more States than voted for Clinton] If I promised to cut off the bollocks of all male prisoners, pour encourager les autres, and carried it out, you wouldn't exactly be praising me, would you?" - idiotic contribution by Steve Shaw

Only thing is Shaw people did vote for Trump - Nobody in their right mind would ever vote you into any significant office (Even to clean it). Stick to wildflowers, places you've been, glasses of wine that you have enjoyed, meals you've cooked - I suspect that you do know something about those.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 10:14 AM

Well it is an alternative facts thread I suppose. 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 10:16 AM

"The people" that voted for Twitler were an ignorant or gullible or hypocritical(in the case of the "Christian"[sic] vote) lot or all three.
And theey were a minority of voters.

"The People" also voted for Hitler, Tailgunner Joe
McCarthy, Nixon, Pitchfork Ben Tillman, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 10:24 AM

They voted for Barabbas too!

"And they were a minority of voters." And that isn't an alternative fact!

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 10:45 AM

Greg F. - 07 Feb 17 - 10:16 AM

"The people" that voted for Twitler were an ignorant or gullible or hypocritical(in the case of the "Christian"[sic] vote) lot or all three.
And theey were a minority of voters."

Now that first sentence of yours there Greg F was exactly why Donald Trump won the 2016 Presidential Election - "The people" in sufficient numbers throughout the individual states were pig sick of people such as yourself - they voted for change - after two terms of Obama the American electorate found out that "Yes we can" was in actual fact "Well no we can't" under the usual two step.

As to popular vote? That is not the system and it does not alter the fact that Donald Trump won the popular vote in more individual states than Hilary Clinton.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 10:54 AM

Denial! 😂

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 11:03 AM

I didn't vote for Barabbas. I wanted them to welease Woger.

You really don't have to go much further than Mudcat to see some alternative facts do you?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 11:56 AM

That's a river in Africa isn't it Shaw?

Deny This

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 11:58 AM

Now that first sentence of yours there Greg F was exactly why Donald Trump won the 2016 Presidential Election

For once we're in agreement, Mr. T! They absolutely WERE ignorant or gullible or hypocritical(in the case of the "Christian"[sic] vote) lot or all three! In addition, I suppose, they could have simply been idiots.

Ta!

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 06:13 AM

Just to let our friends across the Atlantic know that they are not alone. The UK has had more than its share of alternative facts

Vote Leave director admits they won because they lied to the public

Well, at least he has come clean now. Do you think Trumpton ever will?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 08:03 AM

Note the spelling is the White House's original. Amazing.

Yes, that's because spell-check software is not allowed on White House computers. Poor spelling is another way to piss off left-wing libtards, who are the only people who think spelling is important.

It's also a way of handicapping underlings who may be able to actually construct real sentences. It wouldn't do for them to show up their boss, who can't put together a simple declarative sentence without wandering off into some non-grammatical alternate universe. A few spelling errors helps level the playing field.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 08:20 AM

"who are the only people who think spelling is important."
Really?
Maybe Trump's next step should be to set his mob burning down the schools
The greatest asset of any society is it's literacy - it helps us communicate and express ourselves to others articulately.
I'm rather proud to learn it's a phenomenon of The Left
I do like the use of the term "underlings" - an aspect ot Trumps rule we are yet to discover, it would appear
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 08:34 AM

Ya gots to remember: Pres. Hump "love[s] the poorly educated" - actual quote!

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 08:54 AM

"who are the only people who think spelling is important"

Nope.

"libtard?" Thanks mate.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 09:02 AM

Jim:"Maybe Trump's next step should be to set his mob burning down the schools"

They now have the head torch bearer of that mob in place. Herr Trump managed, just barely, to get one of the least qualified cabinet appointees in recent memory confirmed yesterday in Betsy DeVos as Secretary of Education.
It's not all bad news for the public schools though, Ms. DeVos wants to allow children to carry firearms to school for protection against Grizzly bears.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 09:25 AM

"They now have the head torch bearer of that mob in place."
I read that
We're waiting to have Boris Johnson appointed Secretary for Education!!
Your gun laws never cease to impress me.
We have one of your countrywomen - journalist, Mary Ellen Synon, living in the next county, who, following the deliberate execution of a Traveller by an irate farmer (who got off scott free), declared that it was the patriotic duty of all rural Irish families to arm themselves as a protection from trespassers.
Ms Synon distinguished herself some years earlier by describing our Paralympics as "perverse and grotesque".
Any chance you'll take her back - I'm sure she'll find a place in New America
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 09:35 AM

Keep her, Jim, we are overloaded with racist creeps here who have crawled out from under their rocks with the ascension of Herr Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 09:54 AM

More on Ms. DeVos- she doesn't have to burn 'em down, Jim - sust starve 'em to death.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/opinion/betsy-devos-teaches-the-value-of-ignorance.html

Betsy DeVos Teaches the Value of Ignorance

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD   FEB. 7, 2017


"Government really sucks." This belief, expressed by the just-confirmed education secretary, Betsy DeVos, in a 2015 speech to educators, may be the only qualification she needed for President Trump.

Ms. DeVos is the perfect cabinet member for a president determined to appoint officials eager to destroy the agencies they run and weigh the fate of policies and programs based on ideological considerations.

She has never run, taught in, attended or sent a child to an American public school, and her confirmation hearings laid bare her ignorance of education policy and scorn for public education itself.

She indicated that she was skeptical of Education Department policies to prevent fraud by for-profit colleges — a position favored, no doubt, by Mr. Trump, who just settled a fraud case against his so-called Trump University for $25 million.

-continued-

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 11:04 AM

A few times in the past I've seen these comments about spelling and how the people that pull others up on it are snivelling pedants, nit-pickers or, now, "left-wing libtards". This is why those people are wrong.

Spelling is about language, and language is culture. Our cultures, from local to national to global are defined by our languages, of which there are about 6,900 currently spoken in the world, with some on the edge of extinction. Loose your language and you loose your culture, end of. Similarly, how we care and use our languages reflects how we care for our cultures, how we propagate and maintain the core aspects of culture in the myriad of ways we use language; naming, describing, remembering, creating and so on. Language is precious, unique and worth defending whilst you have the life in you to form a thought or utter a word.

We all make mistakes, and my spelling is bloody awful. However, when our greatest institutions cannot even be bothered to get the spelling correct on media being distributed around the world, then there is a real problem. Because they don't care about the simplest of things about the language, and they don't give a toss about their culture. Let it go, and the cultures we purport to care for so much is on the slide. More.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 01:06 PM

Maybe the bad spelling is intentional, Stu. Perhaps we will see more of it leading to Newspeak? :-(

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 01:52 PM

Resorting to typos are a sign that whoever you are arguing with is running out of arguments - I have a regular adversary who resorts to that particular one.
Take it as a sign you are making headway.
Of course spelling is important, but I hear that texting in that mindless non-language has probably destroyed it utterly for the next generation and it has floated down the same channel as Estuary English with its ugly glottal stops and missing word endings.
Lord Reith must be clawing his way out of his grave
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 02:03 PM

Stu, there are hundreds of alt facts , actions and sentiments.
You have valuable work cut out for posterity's sake.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 02:38 PM

Jim, you do realise that the Minister of State for Universities and Science is in fact Boris Johnson's little brother.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 02:54 PM

Re: Trump's list of "under-reported" terrorist incidents, just realised that the murder of Jo Cox isn't on there. Maybe because it was so under-reported that Trump hadn't heard of it, or maybe because it doesn't fit with a certain narrative.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 03:44 PM

Nor were any of the home-grown U.S. "non-Muslim" terrorist incidents.....

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 03:54 PM

So it is a very, very selective list.