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Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk

GUEST,Frank Scott 10 Apr 17 - 07:56 PM
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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Frank Scott
Date: 10 Apr 17 - 07:56 PM

I also got these from usenet - some excellent stuff there. Does anyone have dates for these?


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,SB
Date: 10 Apr 17 - 08:33 AM

Folk on 2 from Usenet / ADrive

Download the text file first to see if you have these. Each zipped file has 35 'episodes.' Actually the episodes are really extracts featuring guest artistes &/or groups in concert.

Listing:
https://we.tl/nWCx5VGl0b

Batch 1
https://we.tl/4vwaa9vQZE

Batch 2
https://we.tl/SjH58UfZl5

Batch 3
https://we.tl/2Hm2a5PIEr

Batch 4
https://we.tl/LTnaxedMa8


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Frank Scott
Date: 08 Apr 17 - 03:24 PM

Thanks GMGough - I have sent a request to become a member and will let you know.
Frank


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GMGough
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 03:27 PM

Frank Scott, if you were to sign on to mudcat as a member,
then I can drop you a PM (personal message) about RD & Friends.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Frank Scott
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 04:11 PM

I've downloaded everything that is still up but I think there are some earlier ones that I missed because I only found this thread in the past few days. Any more uploads of 60s and 70s radio or TV programs would be much appreciated. I hadn't realized how much stuff from that era was being broadcast.
I recently downloaded from usenet several Richard Digance and Friends shows from either the late 70s or early 80s. I listened to one with Martin Carthy and The Watersons which is great music but seriously marred by flutter in the tape - however it does have a great version by Martin of "Sheep Crook and Black Dog" which, as far as I know, is not available anywhere else.
If people are interested I can try and upload them.
Does anyone have a good database of these folk shows? The Genome site seems very limited - they only list 18 "Folk On Two" shows.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 09:58 AM

WeTransfer has its own downloading (and uploading) processes. Its the fastest we know of.

BBC is not interested because the genre is 'folk' - period.

And don't forget the Down Home and Radio Ballad series of films.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Frank Scott
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 08:49 PM

Thank you so much. I just realized that my problem was that I thought I would simplify the process by using a download manager (Jdownloader)which should pick up all the links but seems to only get one from each group. If I go to the the WeTransfer page all the files are there.
My apologies for bugging you and I really appreciate you putting up these invaluable programs.
I'm appalled to hear that the BBC has no interest in acquiring copies for their archives - how short sighted. The people in these programs have made significant contributions to British culture including many who have influenced succeeding generations of performers.
Since the EFDSS is putting so much information on line might they be interested? Or perhaps the British Library Sound Archive.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 03:40 PM

All the MKF uploads are at the to links

https://we.tl/Ur3PDRqBem

https://we.tl/UpbmDu8rM3

https://we.tl/ZPRME1vFjZ

Wetransfer has a 7-day limit of availability


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Frank Scott
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 02:29 PM

These were the ones I was referring to
Folder= MKF01-20
MKF1       Alex Campbell & Leesiders
MKF2       Dominic Behan & Strawbs
MKF3       Noel Murphy & Panama Limited Jug Band
MKF4       Carolyn Hester & Lynn and Grahame McCarthy
MKF5       Jacquie and Bridie & Jeremy Taylor
MKF6       The Tinkers* & Wally Whyton
       (Folk Group with changeable Lineup only consistent
       member Gerry Fox)
MKF7       Arlo Gutrie & The Strawbs
MKF8       Ian Campbell FG & Leon Rosselson
MKF9       Steve Benbow, Saffron, Sweeneys Men
MKF10       Young Tradition & Stefann Grossman
MKF11       The Four Folk & Dave and Toni Arthur
MKF12       Hedy West, The Halliard & Derek Brimstone
MKF14       Hamish Imlach & The Skerries
MKF15       Redd Sullivan & Martin Windsor with Maureen Kennedy Martin
MKF16       Clancy Brothers, Tommy Makem & The Johnstons (Pre Paul Brady)
MKF17       Peggy Seeger & Ewan MacColl
MKF18       Johnny Silvo, Piers Hayman & Sandy Denny
MKF19       Leonard Pearsey, Mary Kent and Tim & Martin Wyndham Read

Folder=MKF21-40
MKF21       Martin Carthy and Dave Sarbrick, Nadia Cattousse & Bob Davenport
MKF22       The Foggy-Dew-O & Cy Grant
MKF24       Jeremy Taylor & Sidney Carter & Nick Taylor
MKF26       Alex Campbell, The Valley Folk & Derek Sargeant
MKF27       Pat Nelson, The Yettis & Dis Disley
MKF29       Al Stewart, Ron Geesin and Giles, Giles & Fripp
MKF30       The Spinners, Packie Byrne & Lizzie Higgins
MKF31       Dorita Y Pepe, Los Zafiros & Paco Pena
MKF33       Leonard Pearsey, Sinnermen and Sarah & Joy and Jennifer
MKF35       THe Valley Folk, Lea Nicholson & Tim Hart and Maddy Pryor
MKF37       Jackson C Frank and Chris Hardy & The Young Tradition
MKF38       Tom Paxton
MKF39       Archie Fisher, The Humblebums, Barbara Dickson & John McKinnon
MKF40       The Johnstons, Wally Whyton & Wizz Jones

Folder=MKF41-60
MKF41       The Dubliners
MKF42       The Strawbs, Alan Price & Don Partridge
MKF43       Jake Thackray, Sinnermen and Sarah & Lynn & Grahame McCarthy
MKF44       Johnny Silvo, Maureen Kennedy Martin & Fife Reivers*
       (Fife Reivers were a family group that made a few club appearances
       to showcase son Russell, recorded 1 LP and not be heard of again)
MKF45       Redd Sullivan and Martin Windsor & The Valley Folk
MKF46       Don Partridge & Street Entertainers*
       (There was a Concert at the Albert Hall where
       Don Partridge presented some of London's
       Better known buskers and street entertainers)
MKF49       The Johnstons, Al Stewart & Peggy Seeger
MKF50       Los Paraguayos & Dorita Y Pepe
MKF51       The Islanders, Aly Bain and Mike Whellans & Jean Redpath
MKF52       Alex Campbell etc
MKF53       The Penine Folk
MKF54       Al Stewart, Pete Morgan & John James
MKF56       Jeremy Taylor & Dave Swarbrick and Martin Carthy
MKF60       Dave and Toni Arthur, Glenside Ceilidh Band & Nic Jones

Folder=MKF61-80
MKF61       The Settlers, Wally Whyton & Malcolm Price
MKF62       Peter Sarstedt & The Johnstons
MKF63       Ian Campbell, Dis Disley & Harvey Andrews
MFK64       Y Triban & Wolfgang Schmidt
MKF65       Hamish Imlach, The Exiles, Shealagh McDonald & John Martyn
MKF66       Dominic Behan, Christie Moore & Ian and Lorna Campbell(Duo only)
MKF67       The Taverners
MKF68       Gordon Lightfoot Band & Lynn& Grahame McCarthy
MKF69       Pentangle, McCarthy & Swarbrick and Archie Fisher
MKF72       Nigel Denver, Johnny Silvo, The Tinkers & Bobby Campbell
MKF73       Al Stewart
MKF76       Leesiders, Shealagh McDonald & John Pearse
MKF77       Noel Murphy and Shaggis(Davy Johnson), Magna Carta & Tony Rose
MKF78       James Taylor, The Johnstons & Gordon Giltrap
MKF79       The McCalmans, Barbara Dickson & Dick Gaughan
MKF80       The Young Tradition

In particular I would love to get
MKF2       Dominic Behan & Strawbs
MKF8       Ian Campbell FG & Leon Rosselson
MKF9       Steve Benbow, Saffron, Sweeneys Men
MKF10       Young Tradition & Stefann Grossman
MKF11       The Four Folk & Dave and Toni Arthur
MKF17       Peggy Seeger & Ewan MacColl
MKF18       Johnny Silvo, Piers Hayman & Sandy Denny
MKF19       Leonard Pearsey, Mary Kent and Tim & Martin Wyndham Read

Folder=MKF21-40
MKF21       Martin Carthy and Dave Sarbrick, Nadia Cattousse & Bob Davenport
MKF30       The Spinners, Packie Byrne & Lizzie Higgins
MKF35       THe Valley Folk, Lea Nicholson & Tim Hart and Maddy Pryor
MKF37       Jackson C Frank and Chris Hardy & The Young Tradition
MKF38       Tom Paxton
MKF39       Archie Fisher, The Humblebums, Barbara Dickson & John McKinnon
MKF40       The Johnstons, Wally Whyton & Wizz Jones
MKF49       The Johnstons, Al Stewart & Peggy Seeger
MKF51       The Islanders, Aly Bain and Mike Whellans & Jean Redpath
MKF56       Jeremy Taylor & Dave Swarbrick and Martin Carthy
MKF60       Dave and Toni Arthur, Glenside Ceilidh Band & Nic Jones

Folder=MKF61-80
MKF62       Peter Sarstedt & The Johnstons
MKF65       Hamish Imlach, The Exiles, Shealagh McDonald & John Martyn
MKF66       Dominic Behan, Christie Moore & Ian and Lorna Campbell(Duo only)
MKF69       Pentangle, McCarthy & Swarbrick and Archie Fisher
MKF72       Nigel Denver, Johnny Silvo, The Tinkers & Bobby Campbell
MKF77       Noel Murphy and Shaggis(Davy Johnson), Magna Carta & Tony Rose
MKF78       James Taylor, The Johnstons & Gordon Giltrap
MKF79       The McCalmans, Barbara Dickson & Dick Gaughan
MKF80       The Young Tradition

T'would be much appreciated

Frank


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 11:51 AM

Maybe Frank is referring to these, I haven't seen those reappear yet?

Grief And Glory 5 of 6 broadcast between 08/10/1967 - 12/11/1967 - Second series of BBC Songwriting progs

Degrees of Folk TV series hosted by the corries 9 episodes from 1968
Leonard Cohen & Julie Felix items were one offs


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Frank Scott
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 11:21 AM

I got these but there were a lot more listed at the beginning of the thread. Would it be possible to post them again?
Thanks
Frank


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 03:35 AM

Frank - My Kind of Folk is still here ...

My Kind of Folk

https://we.tl/Ur3PDRqBem

https://we.tl/UpbmDu8rM3

Folkweave - with Toni Arthur

https://we.tl/HxfKUHtHAH

Missing MKF no. 26

https://we.tl/ZPRME1vFjZ

Wetransfer has a 7-day limit of availability.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Frank Scott
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 06:26 PM

This is a fascinating thread - it's too bad I only just found it as most of the stuff has gone. I have the Folk On Two Shows and a few of the others but missed most of the My Kind Of Folk shows. Is there any chance you could upload them again. Would it be possible to arrange it so they are up longer than a week? Is this a limitation of the file hoster or a slf imposed limitation. I got the Folk on Two shows from usenet so if you have suggestions for a particular group where I might find the other shows that would work too.
It looks like you have some wonderful stuff.
I'm of the opinion that if no one is making a profit then there is no harm and from the folk artists I've met over the years I don't think most of them would mind and, in some cases, would be glad of additional exposure.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 06:25 PM

Links are good for 6 days:

* Down Home

From Appalachia to Nashville
https://we.tl/3gFICXRgGD

From Shetland to Texas
https://we.tl/3MvIkuw6VD

From Cape Breton to Quebec
https://we.tl/IuHzPwjNqX

Good Times - Down Home and Back Home
https://we.tl/CdaFTkLu6d

* Radio Ballad Films (thanks Jim C.)

The Shoals of Herring
https://we.tl/wpTZbvaEjb

The Fight Game
https://we.tl/IrfyZjaQHN

The Big Hewer
https://we.tl/fYKKsNCNLc

* Sam Larner (1967) (thanks Jim C.)
https://we.tl/NLUiiwGoet

* The Song Carriers - Ewan MacColl (1968) (thanks Jim C.)
https://we.tl/SEOQ5tP5R0

* Songs of the People by A.L.Lloyd (1972) (thanks Jim C.)
https://we.tl/As29x8MfKv

* John Peel - As I Roved Out (1999)
* Radio London (off-shore pirate) -
John Peel's Final Perfumed Garden
https://we.tl/iPoeNWQ7NZ

===


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 06:15 PM

Missing MKF no. 26

https://we.tl/ZPRME1vFjZ


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 17 - 09:24 PM

Wow! Thank You! I've been waiting for these My Kind Of Folk shows. I only listened to two shows so far but I can't wait to dig in and go through them all eventually. Some really great stuff here for sure.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 03 Apr 17 - 10:24 AM

My Kind of Folk

https://we.tl/Ur3PDRqBem

https://we.tl/UpbmDu8rM3

Folkweave - with Toni Arthur

https://we.tl/HxfKUHtHAH


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 03:16 PM

A link to a missing WeTransfer zip file

http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=g3e145ecd23a6d07499994735808aea51b549458c9


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 28 Mar 17 - 09:27 AM

Hi - it would be great to have ree-reel / cassette tapes uploaded here. The way to do it is:

1/ Send a zipped file to WeTransfer.com emailed to yourself. When this arrives copy the download link to a post here. It will be good for 7 days (as a blue clicky of course).

2/ Create a free Mediafire.com account, then create a folder under 'MyFiles' say 'Folk Archive'. In this create other folders for the files you want to share. Then upload the files to these specific folders. Then share the links to the folder 'Folk Archive' or the specific folders here (as a blue clickies of course).

When digitising tapes don't forget to lift the volume - but avoid clipping. You might need to adjust the speed (and pitch) to match the original transmission. This is especially critical with cassette tapes - many recorders / players did not run true. Normalise the digital version. Then Save As FLAC, WAV or MP3 (320kbps).

CJB


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Brian Grayson
Date: 28 Mar 17 - 01:22 AM

My goodness gracious me - such a treasure trove on here!

I have cassettes and open-reel tapes of various clubs, recorded between 1970 and 1976, some of which I've transferred to digital, mostly mp3s. The Enterprise, Friday Folk (the one south of the river), Hammersmith, and more. If anyone's interested I could make up a list and arrange to get as many as you wish to you, if you can tell me the best way to do it...

Thank you, thank you, thank you for all your contributions. I'd love to pay the favour forward.

briangrayson@iprimus. com.au (or on here)


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 07:21 PM

More here ...

https://we.tl/hkoWvZoWDH


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Jorrox
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 12:35 PM

I got all a good lot of these. As has been said, a couple are now 'missing' but that should be enough to be getting on with. Thanks....


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 04:05 PM

These two show up as "Transfer Deleted"

https://we.tl/DbFvMBOPgE

https://we.tl/ZKs2zsMmXH


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 03:33 PM

Another link ...

https://we.tl/FCQkjUZSyc

Which were the ones not working?


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 09:59 PM

Thanks for these, two of the links aren't working, but the rest should keep us busy for a little while. Can't wait to hear some of the others!


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 05:11 PM

Try these ...

https://we.tl/ZKs2zsMmXH

https://we.tl/T69snG1bbY

https://we.tl/AsNe29q5Gz

https://we.tl/LHJ6s46X2o

https://we.tl/DbFvMBOPgE

https://we.tl/JCIi9f5tvh

https://we.tl/KZQj2mVTTi


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 07:31 AM

Interesting interview with Peggy Seeger on Irish radio last night
Wonder if anybody heard it
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Jorrox
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 07:05 AM

I missed them too. I'm really interested in the My Kind Of Folk ones as per the second message in this thread. I'll keep watching......


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 06:39 PM

Unfortunately due to certain religious s.c.u.m. the whole area at the Southbank in London is under lockdown. That is where much of the uploading is done; they have superfast free wifi there. It will be Monday before we csn get there - if at all.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 11:18 AM

More of the Folk On 2 shows would be great too. I downloaded the one set and have been enjoying those. Looking forward to hearing more of those and the My Kind Of Folk.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 11:53 AM

There's lots more Folk on 2s.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 07:20 AM

I should note that the link for the Folk on 2 shows is still working so those don't need to be uploaded again


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 06:08 AM

That would be great, whenever you can do it, even if we have to wait a couple of weeks. It will be much appreciated. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 19 Mar 17 - 06:40 PM

OK - can do, but have to be in a couple of weeks.

Basically there are:

Folk on Friday
Folk 75
Folk 78
My Kind of Folk
Folk on 2
Folk Sounds on Sunday (folk concerts)
Folk Song Cellar
Degrees of Folk
Folkeave


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 17 - 10:24 AM

Yes it would be great if you could re-up the 5 files of My Kind of Folk once again.

thanks


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 19 Mar 17 - 08:19 AM

Yes, I too keep missing the chance to grab when the files are only up for a short time. Basically because I don't always manage to get online every couple of days to check it out.
Perhaps it would be most useful if you could tell us at the time of posting, how long that particular link will be valid for.
But either way you're doing us all a valuable service by posting the links - thanks!


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Mar 17 - 10:35 PM

The 5 files of My Kind of Folk shows. I would be extremely grateful if someone could upload them again. I didn't realize they would only be up for such a short time. Thanks in advance!


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 18 Mar 17 - 07:37 PM

There were loads of them. They're ony there for a week. It mght be posible to re-upload them in a few weeks. Which ones are ou missng?


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Mar 17 - 03:54 PM

Any chance someone can upload these We Transfer files again? I didn't grab them in time. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 12:53 PM

More City Folk with Fred Woods - 1971

http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?adv=0&q=city+folk#search

https://we.tl/0xUcV0InnE


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 11:37 AM

Folk on 2 and City Folk from 1971

https://we.tl/adHSLlN6Xa

Enjoy!!


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 10:19 AM

Remember Genome can give details of each programme - but nothing beats actually listening!!! BTW if you can improve the sound quality please feel free to have a go. But we aware that if a file is recorded in say MP3 128 kbps and then saved in say MP3 320 kbps or FLAC or WAV - it is still just a 128 kbps MP3 file. That's called entropy.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 09:50 AM

More Folk on Frday...

https://we.tl/m0i4NKP2eY


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GMGough
Date: 06 Mar 17 - 05:49 PM

sorry that was me. - possibly auto logged out by Win 10 ???
please include me in to any discussion with regard to
compiling an index.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Mar 17 - 04:17 PM

Marvellous - Thank you.

Folkweave 1979-04-12 includes Tony Rose from Loughborough 1978
(starts at 42 mins - after Burl Ives !)   Tony sings:
Us Poor Fellows / Pensioners Lament / Young Allan ??

Can anyone suggest an easy solution whereby we might collectively
compile an index of this cornucopia and make it available in some way
on Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 17 - 08:49 AM

"Thanks for the last bunch, Chris and Jim."
No thanks due to me - this is all down to Chris
All I've done is pass on what I have.
Somme of these are gems and if everybody passed on what they may have hoarded, perhaps they won't be lost treasures.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 06 Mar 17 - 07:39 AM

More Folkweaves ...

https://we.tl/imAMW54NS8


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 06 Mar 17 - 07:08 AM

Folkweaves with Tony Capstick galore. The Beeb at Radio Manchester junked all the masters into a skip out back. We know this because a folkie found them, rescued them, and digitised them. But then he faded from the scene. The link is to a set that are now unique survivors. 1.5GB worth.

https://we.tl/65sdW0Ti1E

Genome will tell you whose on them.

They have been digitised at 128kbps. They may have to be redone at 192kbps. But this will take time.

Most suffer from a cassette turnover event after about 45 mins (likely during Tony Foxworthy's folk events round ups).

Enjoy!!


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: StephenH
Date: 05 Mar 17 - 12:47 PM

Man, I feel like such a glutton, grabbing all this great stuff.
Thanks for the last bunch, Chris and Jim.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 05 Mar 17 - 09:59 AM

Folk 75 anyone?

https://we.tl/imnOObp9dG

https://we.tl/3MiSu4VdX4

Avail. for a few days.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 11:35 AM

And thanks to Jim Carroll here's two more 'lost' gems:

Songs of the People by A.L.Lloyd

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/gz5hw80fo5oer/Songs_of_the_People_-_A.L.Lloyd

The Song Carriers by Ewan MacColl

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7lc29ei70wbyf/The_Song_Carriers_-_Ewan_MacColl


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 10:43 AM

There's plenty enough full length cult 'art' movies on youtube to suggest time limits may not be a problem


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 10:02 AM

Haven't uploaded stuff to YouTube for years. One of my accounts transferred from Google Videos was for 'unlimited lengths for trusted users' or some such cr&p. Other more recent accounts were severely restricted that I didn't bother using them. As I remarked above there is/was a 3-hour upload of Oldham Tinkers albums - way over the top.

The Radio Ballad films could be downloaded in parts I guess - using Free YouTube Downloader or something like that. Then they could be joined together using a free trial version of VidoRedo etc.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Will Fly
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 09:43 AM

Does YouTube have a 20 minute limit on uploads? I've occasionally uploaded stuff that's well over that limit with no problem. I know there were originally length limitations, but they seem to have been extended.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 08:04 AM

Would love to track down more recordings by Nic. Jones. I have Penguin Eggs at home - mint!!! In a recent upload there was a definitive recording of Sandy Denny from 1972 (Sounds on Sunday I think) - with more dynamic range than the somewhat 'flat' version issued on CD a few year's back. This is what's so valuable about these recordings that have suddenly come to light.

With regards to the films of the three classic Radio Ballads they are split into parts due to YouTube's policy of only allowing 15-20 minute uploads. I understand that the films were carefully split at natural breaks. However if folks do not object it might be possible to upload each complete file to another cloud site. I'll ask.

BTW 20,000 views is something for films that will never ever be shown in public again.

We are members of the Missing-Episodes board and Wiped.com communities. And I can assure you that there are few if anyone on these sites who are remotely interested in 'folk,' and least of all in 'radio folk.'


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: StephenH
Date: 01 Mar 17 - 01:26 PM

Thanks, Rabee, for the Bert Lloyd link.
Also, I have just finished listening to one of the radio programs - this one listed as MKF2 and hosted by Dominic Behan. Interesting program from which I just felt I had to share this quote from DB:

"People in my time, and my kind of folk, have a more difficult time than people in my kind of folk have nowadays. As a matter of fact, it's a sort of a hindsight (effect?) that writers today have upon me and my work.
For example, ten years before Bob Dylan wrote "With God On Our Side", he inspired me to write "The Patriot Game""


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Guest - Rabee
Date: 28 Feb 17 - 03:58 AM

To CJB "But we DO have the films of three of the original Radio Ballads (see YouTube) - sadly showing timecodes. But again what gems?!! "

Thanks for that. I have the film versions of the Radio Ballads. in fact I suspect that the versions on YouTube may have may have come from indirectly from me - the time codes are the giveaway, and the YouTube versions have been split into parts which is a nuisance for those folk trying to view them. It was the timecodes that stopped me dispersing the films more widely.

Maybe I'll have to review my antipathy to YouTube. I obviously have no objection to blackleg copies or pirating ( I do it myself) but I feel YouTube goes a mite too far in this respect   Still, I've just noticed that Part ! of "The Shoals of Herring" has ahd over 20,000 views. Maybe it is a good way of sharing "gems."

I have a number of Philip Donnellan films including his infamous "Gone For A Soldier" I sang in this film and in some of Philip's other work and I knew Philip fairly well through working with him on various projects I'll have to the dig the films out and refresh my brain by viewing them again.

In the meantime, and reverting to the original thread, here is another gem from the 60s ... It's Bert Lloyds Folk Song Virtuoso

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ofosdsn7cbnc4/Folk_Music_Virtuoso

oops blu clicky link didn't work. What have I done wrong?

Bert Lloyd FMV

BB


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 12:13 PM

"But I deem that left wingers at the Beeb now-a-days are far more extreme than ever they were in the time of Ewan MacColl et al. But whatever,"
Sorry Chris =- far from the case
It was the establishment old guard who sacked Charlie and Philip and closed the department - they were regarded as 'The Red Menace'
We were at the showing of Philip's film, 'The Irishmen' a few weeks ago in Dublin, and one of his daughters described how her father had to send copies of his films to Canada, among other places, to guarantee they survived.
We were also close friends with Charlie when he was sacked, so we got this information first hand from him.
You really do need to read Bridson's book.
Another friend, Bob Thomson, described how the Beeb kept all their material on acetate disc in multi-copies and smashed each one after a set number of plays - Bob was there when they arrived at the decision not to replace them
It wasn't just the Beeb, of course
An extremely deaf Maud Karpeles decided to have a clear-out of one of the storage cupboards at C# House, so she ordered the cylinders stored there to be played to her - those she couldn't hear, she ordered smashed.
Horrors stories abound regarding the protection of our recorded heritage.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 12:09 PM

..and if I recall correctly...

the mixed down master tapes were the then state of the art DAT format..

so good luck finding functional playback equipment for those obsolete tapes now in 2017....


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 11:54 AM

I was in a band in the mid 1990s that recorded at an East London Studio.
It was studio policy to wipe and reuse the multitrack tape after each mixdown to a client's master.
Unless the client provided their own expensive tape for their own exclusive recordings,
or at the end of studio tracking sessions decided to keep their multi track recording by replacing the used tape with a new one.

We can judge mass tape wiping by the Beeb and ITV as wrong,
but the practice still endured decades later for business costs reasons.

I also remember walking in a street adjacent to Denmark Street [again mid 90s]
and walking past an an audio production facility that had stacked up many boxes of reel to reel tapes
outside on the pavement by the bin bagss.

Curiosity would have overtaken me, except it was late at night, pissing down,
and too many of the tapes were off their spools and tangled in a filthy wet mess.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 11:26 AM

Guest CJB, speaking on behalf of 'The Halliard' & Nic Jones (solo), we would greatly appreciate hearing any recordings you come across. Nic's solo material is more critical...all of 'The Halliard's' repertoire is available on CD, but not, as many of you know, Nic's. Having spoken to Julia Jones, we favour the discreet approach you adopted with Rosemary H. You can use the contact page on www.nigelpatersonmusic.com if you need to email. Sincere thanks to you, Jim & all your colleagues. I apologise if my responses sound hostile...protective, but not hostile,
                                    Nigel Paterson.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Will Fly
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 09:43 AM

Just one comment on the BBCs wiping of tapes at the period that we're talking about.

Given the expense of quality audiotape and the quantity that would have been required, it was absolutely impossible at that time to keep every recording of every programme that was ever broadcast. Programmes were erased and the tapes re-used.

The value judgements made at the time as to what to wipe and what to keep could be endlessly debated now, depending on your point of view and your particular set of interests. It may have been less clear at the time as to what was or wasn't part of our "culture" - and what should or should not have been kept. I grant you that we can look back with hindsight and say, "oh how stupid and short-sighted they were". They seem to have been negligent to our Mudcat community with its particular interests - perhaps not so much to others.

Don't mistake me - I'm not saying that there weren't some regrettable losses as a result of their policies and decisions, there certainly were - but the decision-making processes may not have been as clear-cut as we think.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 09:17 AM

Jim - we could / should? debate left wingism v.v. rghtwingism at the BBC some day. But I do take your point that it was the right wingers who sacked Donellen and Parker and likely Michael Mason and consigned their works to obscurity. But whatever, it is a shame that the productions of Donnelan, Parker, Mason, and indeed MacColl are unlikely ever to be aired again, indeed if the Beeb still has their recordings. And it is the short-sighted (disinterested) policies of the Beeb in wiping and discarding so many recordings of our culture that are the causes of this whole convoluted rescue attempt. Take care - CJB.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 09:01 AM

To: Nigel Paterson

I assure you that as far as we are concerned no money is made from these recordings in any shape or form. All of the equipment, media, and time is given freely or paid for by the OTR community.

And specifically if we find anything from 'The Halliard' incl. members / ex-members we can and will offer said recordings to you in lew of going public; that is as long as they can actually be saved being that many tapes are now becoming unplayable. The same goes for anyone else we know of like Rosemary H.

This whole OTR scene is really a rescue mission as media disintegrates or becomes obsolete.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 08:59 AM

I have a VCR copy of The Singer and the Song - interviews with Sam and Harry Cox (though they never met)
Hope to make them available as soon as I can sort out the digitisation
Not sure of your reference to left wing, politically correct snowflakes C
The right wing establishment sacked both Philip and Charles (both left wingers) and eventually dismantled the 'Features Department' which produced all those wonderful programmes.
Charles's and Ewan's refusal to allow the horrific suggestion that all gypsies who wouldn't conform should be "exterminated", in The Travelling People' Radio Ballad proved the last straw.
There's an excellent account of the history of the features department in D G Bridson's 'Prospero and Ariel' "the rise and fall of radio - a personal recollection (still available, last time I looked)
It includes a description of the first appearance of Ewan singing in the street for a Manchester cinema queue in the 1930s - well worth searching out.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 08:41 AM

Rabee - yes, the recordings of Sam Larner are indeed gems. So is anything from Philip Donnelan. Like Charles Parker he has been well forgotten by the Beeb's left wing politically correct fraternity of snowflakes.

Sadly we don't have that film, indeed I'm not sure if it even exists.

But we DO have the films of three of the original Radio Ballads (see YouTube) - sadly showing timecodes. But again what gems?!!


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Guest - Rabee
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 07:38 AM

To CJB - "So here's a treat - the late Sam Larner - fisherman - interviewed and singing ... in the 1960s ..." Philip Donnellan

You're right - a rare treat indeed. I've just indulged myself with a huge Networked Storage (NAS) system and I'm slowly loading on to it my assorted collection of tapes cassettes LPs etc . It's great to be able to call up any recording you fancy from any room in my house, without having to scrabble thro' assorted hard discs, reel to reel recordings etc.

One of the first items I uploaded was these recordings of Sam and what a delight it was to call them up whilst lying awake in bed the other night and play them back. Cheered me up no end.

Don't suppose you have a copy of the filmed interview with Sam???

BB


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 06:33 AM

These recordings contain some gems of British culture, they are, as far a I am concerned, are Britain's 'Elgin Marbles' and should not be lost because the Beeb no longer have an interest in them - that does not mean I would be happy to see them marketed and exploited.
Pat and I and many of our friends are included in some of those programmes, in each case, we were either paid a pittance or volunteered our services free of charge - the idea that our's and many others' efforts should be lost offends us.
I am extremely grateful to C.J.B. for his efforts in main them public - long may he continue to do so.
By the way C - I'm happy not to remain anonymous on anything you may fave received from me, other than those I have specifically requested to.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 05:54 AM

By way of clarification: the fact that the beeb appears to be disinterested in recovering any of these recordings, regardless of quality, source etc, etc., legally, copyright still rests with the BBC. Speaking personally, if someone 'discovers' 'The Halliard' by virtue of one of these downloads, I would be more than happy, providing the recording was for personal use only. Anyone seeking to exploit these recordings commercially would, almost certainly, have to apply to the BBC for a licence. I speak from personal experience.
                                        Nigel Paterson, mandolin, 'The Halliard'.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Feb 17 - 01:27 PM

clearly posted to the wrong thread here...

But this does mean I can claim a prize from steve for the most extreme thread drift...


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Feb 17 - 01:25 PM

Cheers mates...

Unfortunately I have made no progress on my limerick tribute [errrmmmm.. to myself...]
because Mudcat is a family friendly website
and my gutter mind won't budge from the punch line rhyme for Burton "Beef Curtain"... 😬


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 25 Feb 17 - 10:48 AM

Clicky here:

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/980r0sht5ktg2/Sam_Larner_-_1960


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 25 Feb 17 - 08:47 AM

So here's a treat - the late Sam Larner - fisherman - interviewed and singing ... in the 1960s ...

You might be interested in the four programme made by Philip Donnellan for the BBC Radio Home Service which have just come to light. These are off-air recordings made onto reel-reel tape in the late 1950s / early 1960s. They have been contributed into the 'public domain' by one of Ewan MacColl's Critics Group members (who wishes to remain anonymous). They are incredibly rare since they were only ever aired once on the BBC Home Service in the late 1950s / early 1960s.

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/980r0sht5ktg2/Sam_Larner_-_1960

On behalf of:
Critics Group member, who wishes to remain anonymous - 25.2.14


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 25 Feb 17 - 08:30 AM

What do we do with our rare and unique recordings that even the Beeb doesn't have or more worryingly doesn't even want? Kaleidoscope only wants lost or missing or wiped t.v. programmes. No-one but no-one wants 'folk.'

But there was a case recently. We found a 'Folk on 2' from the 1970s(?) - not a good recording but listenable to - featuring the late Barry Skinner and one Rosemary H. We couldn't trace Barry Skiner's family, but Rosemary H. had a good website. We emailed her. We said that she could have a copy of said recordng. We uploaded the recording and sent her the link. Quuite rightly - when all said and done - she is very particular about who sings her songs using her arrangements. They are special. And she said that she didn't want the link to be made public. That was OK; so only she had the link. When I checked the download stats. over 70 had downloaded the recording!!!


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 17 - 07:18 AM

Just to clarify, before blood flows, that my "victimless crime" statement referred specifically to the music linked to in this thread and not to the sharing of copyright material in general.

OK, where does one draw the line, I hear you ask? Perhaps it just has to be a moral judgement by the person sharing or making the material available, and those downloading it. I'm sure that CJB will have considered this factor, and more power to him.

As for those downloading, no one is holding a gun to their head and demanding that they should participate....


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 25 Feb 17 - 05:55 AM

For Matt Milton: thanks very much for the suggestion. I've sent a link to your post to Julia Jones, Nic's wife. She deals with all things 'Jones' & 'Halliard'.
                                                                                        Kind Regards,
                                                                                                               Nigel Paterson.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 25 Feb 17 - 02:50 AM

"OK, I know there is a principle involved with sharing of copyright material, and I suspect that there are those who believe that the files in question are just the thin end of the wedge. But really, is it worthwhile dragging it into this thread?

A victimless crime if ever there was one imho, and would be thrown out of court in any right-minded jurisdiction (I hope....)"

If Diane Easby were still around, blood would be flowing by now......


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 25 Feb 17 - 02:43 AM

There's far more such uploads to YouTube than ever offered here. One which is well over-the-top on YT is a 3-hour upload of the Oldham Tinkers' recordings from their albums.

And what about the parallel thread of folks here trying to download copies of LPs from the World Library of Folk/Primitive Music?

The recordings offered in this thread are those that have been lost to the nation, enthusiasts and performers alike becaue they have been locked away in dusty archives never to be heard again, or worse been deliberatley wiped.

Indeed recordings of varying quality of long-wiped programmes have been offered back to such as the BBC and been refused. The BBC is only interested in recovered commercially valuable recordings such as Dr. Who or Dad's Army. It has been reported that the Beeb was not interested in recooveed 'lost' Clitheroe Kid episodes.

And the Beeb is certainly not interested in recovered recordings of anything 'folk.' We have 100s of Folkweaves, and other folk programmes - the Beeb never even had the courtesy to respond to our offer of those. This has been othes' exepiences too. Indeed even folk programmes aired today are never kept except those off-air captures by folk enthusiasts.

It might also be recalled that a few years' ago the multi-million pound project by the Beeb to put all of its archives online was abandoned at great expense and waste of licence fee payers hard earned.

As far as OTR enthusiasts selling recordings whilst there are home-made CDs on eBay, the general unwritten rule is that recordings should be freely shared and never sold or traded.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 11:20 PM

Almost certainly illegal, but why worry.

The quality of the downloads was not the best (to say the least!) and unlikely to be cleanable-upable, so no one is likely to make any financial gain from them.

Similarly, I can't see that any of the performers' income would have suffered from their being made available for a short time to those few people who downloaded them out of curiosity.

OK, I know there is a principle involved with sharing of copyright material, and I suspect that there are those who believe that the files in question are just the thin end of the wedge. But really, is it worthwhile dragging it into this thread?

A victimless crime if ever there was one imho, and would be thrown out of court in any right-minded jurisdiction (I hope....)


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Will Fly
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 08:35 AM

It was meself that mentioned the copyright of the music with regard to the BBC.

When I worked at the Beeb, the usual contract for musicians included a payment for the performance, plus extra payments for repeat broadcasts - but with the actual copyright of the performance vested in the BBC. This was certainly the case with my stuff, at any rate.

Whether the Beeb is still interested in retaining that copyright after all this time, I don't know - but it might be worth checking. (a) They might still possess the original tapes (b) They were, after all,responsible for the recording session, etc.

Worth checking.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 08:20 AM

"Very interested to see that MKF 12 includes 'The Halliard', myself, Dave Moran & Nic Jones. Are these downloads legal? – Nigel Paterson, mandolin 'The Halliard'"

They would appear not, Nigel. A bit of 'home taping', as someone else put it above. Nigel, do you have a Bandcamp page? If I were you, I would set one up, grab the Halliard stuff from the links above and offer the music as a "Pay what you want" option on your Bandcamp page. Give the money to charity or something. Whenever these sorts of things crop up - as they so often do - I'm torn between thinking: "isn't it great that this music that would otherwise not be heard at all is available to hear"; and thinking it's a bit of a shame that any performers of the music that are still around don't have any say about anything.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 12:14 AM

Songs of Protest (1977), presented by Ted Moult. Now there's a name from the past....
A list of BBC radio programmes of the day in which he did not appear would be quite short.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 11:38 AM

Another website with flk and country recordings is here. Highlight each link, then use Right Mouse Click to do a Save As of each file.

http://bfbs-radio.blogspot.co.uk/p/blog-page_24.html


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:31 AM

Charles Chilton - Songs of Protest (1977)

http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?adv=0&q=songs+of+protest&media=all#search

Is here - for a short while:

https://we.tl/50r05wxduO


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 04:21 AM

How come I am unable to download this? :(


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,nickp (cookieless)
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 03:57 AM

Indeed! Many thanks


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,me
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 03:58 PM

This is a fantastic treasure trove, thanks very much for sharing it.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: StephenH
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 12:32 PM

Thanks to both CJB and FolkSongCellar for making these available for download. Lots of very interesting stuff there. Cheers!


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,FolkSongCellar
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 05:16 AM

Folk Song Cellar

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/rg4ttvv4k83tv/Folk_Song_Cellar

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/rg4ttvv4k83tv/Folk_Song_Cellar

What we have - there is a continual appeal for more recordings of missing episodes ...

FSC


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Gealt
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 06:51 PM

"Second, the same unusual version of Spanish Lady is at here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHgv8RAA7GQ "

The sound is very bad but it does not sound like CM, some bloke with a Dubelin accent.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 05:52 PM

The Genome db can identify the actual programmes by date ...

e.g. Folk on Two

http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?adv=0&q=%22folk%20on%20two%22


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 05:05 PM

Here's new links ... expiry in 7 days.

My Kind of Folk / Grief & Glory / Degrees of Folk / One-off Concerts

https://we.tl/yjguKu6vrW

https://we.tl/Jw6y6DfSMj

https://we.tl/sGqImRm8wc

https://we.tl/qMMEvQciad

https://we.tl/czMQIeORWC

https://we.tl/Bn0ODCdUTp

Folk on 2

https://www.adrive.com/public/NbQyHa/Folk%20on%202

Download for free - links good for a week

CJB


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 03:58 PM

Alas, ChrisJBady, my cassette collection went to the dust heap many years ago - also I never recorded folk material of any kind. And all records were religiously returned the very next day!


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 02:20 PM

Great stuff. Thanks


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 17 - 07:32 PM

Is it possible someone could make the MKF files available again - the WeTransfer links at the top are now dead. Many thanks!


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 13 Feb 17 - 08:58 AM

Will Fly - you said:

"In my Beeb days (1968-1975) I regularly grabbed discs from the Sound Archives collection after work, checked them out and took them home to record on my cassette player - whole Goon shows, for example (now all available on the market)."

Did you ever make recordings of the Folk Song Cellar transcription discs? These would have dated to about 1966? We are missing quite a few episodes. Many thanks.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 13 Feb 17 - 07:11 AM

MKF 24 is here:

https://we.tl/w4cZiywkpk

Any others missing?


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 06:14 PM

First, let me correct of a typo in my 09:54 post: "was" should be "way".

Second, the same unusual version of Spanish Lady is at here


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,cookieless nickp
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 04:26 PM

Yes, more would be of interest indeed. Thanks


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 04:15 PM

Yeah - and some of the names are spelt wrongly. The files were uploaded by a person or persons unknown. They were originally on Usenet. The links were circulated amongst a small group of OTR folk enthusiasts. There are more links to come - if anyone is interested.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 09:54 AM

I've looked at all four of the batches listed in the original post. Their content doesn't align in any simple was with the index. In particular, MKF24, which would be of interest as it includes both Jeremy Taylor and Sidney Carter, doesn't seem to be there at all. But still there is some interesting stuff there, including in MKF66 Christy Moore singing a version of the Dublin "Spanish Lady" song with a quite different story from the usual one.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 07:36 AM

Final 6th link of recordings featuring Peter Sarsted

https://we.tl/pnX7eSXHWr


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Will Fly
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 06:36 AM

I always thought the Paris was a slightly odd place - a small, formal theatre in the Regent Street area - but some good programmes came out of it.

I was a regular attendee at the Playhouse Theatre down Northumberland Avenue on Saturday afternoons to see "Country Meets Folk" being broadcast. I ran the BBC Folk Club (Clanfolk) for a spell, and got a clutch of free tickets for it each week from the Ticket Unit. Saw loads of people there, including Pentangle, Ralph McTell, etc. - all with the great Brock (Brian Brocklehurst) on bass.

Then up the road to the Sherlock Holmes pub for a pint or three, and then a walk up west through Hyde Park and Kensington Gardens to our Bayswater bedsit.

Great days.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 04:22 AM

I remember Frances Line very well. She produced all The Halliard's broadcasts, bar one. Frances was easy to work with, engendering a relaxed, no rush atmosphere, even in the slightly awkward 'environs' of The Paris Theatre, Piccadilly.
                                                                   Nigel.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 06:11 PM

More here:

'Folk on Two' this time ...

https://www.adrive.com/public/NbQyHa/Folk%20on%202


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Will Fly
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 12:05 PM

Oh - almost certainly the BBC, if they're the source of the original programmes. It's a bootleg collection and, of course, everyone did it then. Whether the Beeb would actually be bothered about the tracks these days I wouldn't care to say!

In my Beeb days (1968-1975) I regularly grabbed discs from the Sound Archives collection after work, checked them out and took them home to record on my cassette player - whole Goon shows, for example (now all available on the market). But the quality of some of this stuff is pretty poor, with very variable sound quality. I had to boost the waveform with Audacity on some of the tracks to get a reasonable sound, and it was obviously done with the typical domestic equipment of the day.

From what I've played so far (forgetting technical quality for the moment), some of is much better than the rest. The Pentangle sounded pretty crappy and boring - strange, because I was a great fan of them when they first appeared. How tastes change... But Carthy & Swarb sounded absolutely rock solid, and Archie Fisher was superb. Many of the programmes were produced by Frances Line, who was a regular customer of ours in the Reference Section. A very efficient and brisk woman - strange that some of the programmes sound so very much men-in-suits and stilted.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 11:36 AM

Will, home taping would seem to be the most likely source, because, as is widely known, the beeb 'wiped' a large quantity of programme masters (Radio & TV) & re-used the tapes. The question still remains, who owns the rights to this 'cornucopia'?
                                                                                                       Nigel.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Will Fly
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 11:07 AM

Interesting and very varied collection of stuff, of variable quality - sounds like a lot of home taping!


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 11:01 AM

Very interested to see that MKF 12 includes 'The Halliard', myself, Dave Moran & Nic Jones. Are these downloads legal?
                                     Nigel Paterson, mandolin 'The Halliard'.


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Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 09:40 AM

The above include My Kind of Folk, Grief and Glory, and Degrees of Folk (audio from t.v. series)

Contents as follows
Folder = Low-Fi
Grief And Glory 5 of 6 broadcast between 08/10/1967 - 12/11/1967 - Second series of BBC Songwriting progs
Degrees of Folk TV series hosted by the corries 9 episodes from 1968
Leonard Cohen & Julie Felix items were one offs

Folder= MKF01-20
MKF1        Alex Campbell & Leesiders
MKF2        Dominic Behan & Strawbs
MKF3        Noel Murphy & Panama Limited Jug Band
MKF4        Carolyn Hester & Lynn and Grahame McCarthy
MKF5        Jacquie and Bridie & Jeremy Taylor
MKF6        The Tinkers* & Wally Whyton
        (Folk Group with changeable Lineup only consistent
        member Gerry Fox)
MKF7        Arlo Gutrie & The Strawbs
MKF8        Ian Campbell FG & Leon Rosselson
MKF9        Steve Benbow, Saffron, Sweeneys Men
MKF10        Young Tradition & Stefann Grossman
MKF11        The Four Folk & Dave and Toni Arthur
MKF12        Hedy West, The Halliard & Derek Brimstone
MKF14        Hamish Imlach & The Skerries
MKF15        Redd Sullivan & Martin Windsor with Maureen Kennedy Martin
MKF16        Clancy Brothers, Tommy Makem & The Johnstons (Pre Paul Brady)
MKF17        Peggy Seeger & Ewan MacColl
MKF18        Johnny Silvo, Piers Hayman & Sandy Denny
MKF19        Leonard Pearsey, Mary Kent and Tim & Martin Wyndham Read

Folder=MKF21-40
MKF21        Martin Carthy and Dave Sarbrick, Nadia Cattousse & Bob Davenport
MKF22        The Foggy-Dew-O & Cy Grant
MKF24        Jeremy Taylor & Sidney Carter & Nick Taylor
MKF26        Alex Campbell, The Valley Folk & Derek Sargeant
MKF27        Pat Nelson, The Yettis & Dis Disley
MKF29        Al Stewart, Ron Geesin and Giles, Giles & Fripp
MKF30        The Spinners, Packie Byrne & Lizzie Higgins
MKF31        Dorita Y Pepe, Los Zafiros & Paco Pena
MKF33        Leonard Pearsey, Sinnermen and Sarah & Joy and Jennifer
MKF35        THe Valley Folk, Lea Nicholson & Tim Hart and Maddy Pryor
MKF37        Jackson C Frank and Chris Hardy & The Young Tradition
MKF38        Tom Paxton
MKF39        Archie Fisher, The Humblebums, Barbara Dickson & John McKinnon
MKF40        The Johnstons, Wally Whyton & Wizz Jones

Folder=MKF41-60
MKF41        The Dubliners
MKF42        The Strawbs, Alan Price & Don Partridge
MKF43        Jake Thackray, Sinnermen and Sarah & Lynn & Grahame McCarthy
MKF44        Johnny Silvo, Maureen Kennedy Martin & Fife Reivers*
        (Fife Reivers were a family group that made a few club appearances
        to showcase son Russell, recorded 1 LP and not be heard of again)
MKF45        Redd Sullivan and Martin Windsor & The Valley Folk
MKF46        Don Partridge & Street Entertainers*
        (There was a Concert at the Albert Hall where
        Don Partridge presented some of London's
        Better known buskers and street entertainers)
MKF49        The Johnstons, Al Stewart & Peggy Seeger
MKF50        Los Paraguayos & Dorita Y Pepe
MKF51        The Islanders, Aly Bain and Mike Whellans & Jean Redpath
MKF52        Alex Campbell etc
MKF53        The Penine Folk
MKF54        Al Stewart, Pete Morgan & John James
MKF56        Jeremy Taylor & Dave Swarbrick and Martin Carthy
MKF60        Dave and Toni Arthur, Glenside Ceilidh Band & Nic Jones

Folder=MKF61-80
MKF61        The Settlers, Wally Whyton & Malcolm Price
MKF62        Peter Sarstedt & The Johnstons
MKF63        Ian Campbell, Dis Disley & Harvey Andrews
MFK64        Y Triban & Wolfgang Schmidt
MKF65        Hamish Imlach, The Exiles, Shealagh McDonald & John Martyn
MKF66        Dominic Behan, Christie Moore & Ian and Lorna Campbell(Duo only)
MKF67        The Taverners
MKF68        Gordon Lightfoot Band & Lynn& Grahame McCarthy
MKF69        Pentangle, McCarthy & Swarbrick and Archie Fisher
MKF72        Nigel Denver, Johnny Silvo, The Tinkers & Bobby Campbell
MKF73        Al Stewart
MKF76        Leesiders, Shealagh McDonald & John Pearse
MKF77        Noel Murphy and Shaggis(Davy Johnson), Magna Carta & Tony Rose
MKF78        James Taylor, The Johnstons & Gordon Giltrap
MKF79        The McCalmans, Barbara Dickson & Dick Gaughan
MKF80        The Young Tradition

The Series ended with prog 81 which featured items from earlier editions - not recorded

Folder=Others
        Some items from a series presented by Peter Sarstedt
        plus some odd items which may be of interest


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Subject: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 09:34 AM

Lots of files have suddenly appeared on various cloud sites - all for free downloading.

* My Kind of Folk / Greif and (ex-Usenet)

WeTransfer 1 - My Kind Of Folk etc.

WeTransfer 3 - My Kind Of Folk etc.

WeTransfer 2 - My Kind Of Folk etc.

WeTransfer 4 - My Kind Of Folk etc.

WeTransfer 5 - My Kind Of Folk etc.


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