Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 11:26 AM

Guest CJB, speaking on behalf of 'The Halliard' & Nic Jones (solo), we would greatly appreciate hearing any recordings you come across. Nic's solo material is more critical...all of 'The Halliard's' repertoire is available on CD, but not, as many of you know, Nic's. Having spoken to Julia Jones, we favour the discreet approach you adopted with Rosemary H. You can use the contact page on www.nigelpatersonmusic.com if you need to email. Sincere thanks to you, Jim & all your colleagues. I apologise if my responses sound hostile...protective, but not hostile,
                                    Nigel Paterson.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 11:54 AM

I was in a band in the mid 1990s that recorded at an East London Studio.
It was studio policy to wipe and reuse the multitrack tape after each mixdown to a client's master.
Unless the client provided their own expensive tape for their own exclusive recordings,
or at the end of studio tracking sessions decided to keep their multi track recording by replacing the used tape with a new one.

We can judge mass tape wiping by the Beeb and ITV as wrong,
but the practice still endured decades later for business costs reasons.

I also remember walking in a street adjacent to Denmark Street [again mid 90s]
and walking past an an audio production facility that had stacked up many boxes of reel to reel tapes
outside on the pavement by the bin bagss.

Curiosity would have overtaken me, except it was late at night, pissing down,
and too many of the tapes were off their spools and tangled in a filthy wet mess.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 12:09 PM

..and if I recall correctly...

the mixed down master tapes were the then state of the art DAT format..

so good luck finding functional playback equipment for those obsolete tapes now in 2017....

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Feb 17 - 12:13 PM

"But I deem that left wingers at the Beeb now-a-days are far more extreme than ever they were in the time of Ewan MacColl et al. But whatever,"
Sorry Chris =- far from the case
It was the establishment old guard who sacked Charlie and Philip and closed the department - they were regarded as 'The Red Menace'
We were at the showing of Philip's film, 'The Irishmen' a few weeks ago in Dublin, and one of his daughters described how her father had to send copies of his films to Canada, among other places, to guarantee they survived.
We were also close friends with Charlie when he was sacked, so we got this information first hand from him.
You really do need to read Bridson's book.
Another friend, Bob Thomson, described how the Beeb kept all their material on acetate disc in multi-copies and smashed each one after a set number of plays - Bob was there when they arrived at the decision not to replace them
It wasn't just the Beeb, of course
An extremely deaf Maud Karpeles decided to have a clear-out of one of the storage cupboards at C# House, so she ordered the cylinders stored there to be played to her - those she couldn't hear, she ordered smashed.
Horrors stories abound regarding the protection of our recorded heritage.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Guest - Rabee
Date: 28 Feb 17 - 03:58 AM

To CJB "But we DO have the films of three of the original Radio Ballads (see YouTube) - sadly showing timecodes. But again what gems?!! "

Thanks for that. I have the film versions of the Radio Ballads. in fact I suspect that the versions on YouTube may have may have come from indirectly from me - the time codes are the giveaway, and the YouTube versions have been split into parts which is a nuisance for those folk trying to view them. It was the timecodes that stopped me dispersing the films more widely.

Maybe I'll have to review my antipathy to YouTube. I obviously have no objection to blackleg copies or pirating ( I do it myself) but I feel YouTube goes a mite too far in this respect   Still, I've just noticed that Part ! of "The Shoals of Herring" has ahd over 20,000 views. Maybe it is a good way of sharing "gems."

I have a number of Philip Donnellan films including his infamous "Gone For A Soldier" I sang in this film and in some of Philip's other work and I knew Philip fairly well through working with him on various projects I'll have to the dig the films out and refresh my brain by viewing them again.

In the meantime, and reverting to the original thread, here is another gem from the 60s ... It's Bert Lloyds Folk Song Virtuoso

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ofosdsn7cbnc4/Folk_Music_Virtuoso

oops blu clicky link didn't work. What have I done wrong?

Bert Lloyd FMV

BB

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: StephenH
Date: 01 Mar 17 - 01:26 PM

Thanks, Rabee, for the Bert Lloyd link.
Also, I have just finished listening to one of the radio programs - this one listed as MKF2 and hosted by Dominic Behan. Interesting program from which I just felt I had to share this quote from DB:

"People in my time, and my kind of folk, have a more difficult time than people in my kind of folk have nowadays. As a matter of fact, it's a sort of a hindsight (effect?) that writers today have upon me and my work.
For example, ten years before Bob Dylan wrote "With God On Our Side", he inspired me to write "The Patriot Game""

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 08:04 AM

Would love to track down more recordings by Nic. Jones. I have Penguin Eggs at home - mint!!! In a recent upload there was a definitive recording of Sandy Denny from 1972 (Sounds on Sunday I think) - with more dynamic range than the somewhat 'flat' version issued on CD a few year's back. This is what's so valuable about these recordings that have suddenly come to light.

With regards to the films of the three classic Radio Ballads they are split into parts due to YouTube's policy of only allowing 15-20 minute uploads. I understand that the films were carefully split at natural breaks. However if folks do not object it might be possible to upload each complete file to another cloud site. I'll ask.

BTW 20,000 views is something for films that will never ever be shown in public again.

We are members of the Missing-Episodes board and Wiped.com communities. And I can assure you that there are few if anyone on these sites who are remotely interested in 'folk,' and least of all in 'radio folk.'

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Will Fly
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 09:43 AM

Does YouTube have a 20 minute limit on uploads? I've occasionally uploaded stuff that's well over that limit with no problem. I know there were originally length limitations, but they seem to have been extended.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 10:02 AM

Haven't uploaded stuff to YouTube for years. One of my accounts transferred from Google Videos was for 'unlimited lengths for trusted users' or some such cr&p. Other more recent accounts were severely restricted that I didn't bother using them. As I remarked above there is/was a 3-hour upload of Oldham Tinkers albums - way over the top.

The Radio Ballad films could be downloaded in parts I guess - using Free YouTube Downloader or something like that. Then they could be joined together using a free trial version of VidoRedo etc.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 10:43 AM

There's plenty enough full length cult 'art' movies on youtube to suggest time limits may not be a problem

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 11:35 AM

And thanks to Jim Carroll here's two more 'lost' gems:

Songs of the People by A.L.Lloyd

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/gz5hw80fo5oer/Songs_of_the_People_-_A.L.Lloyd

The Song Carriers by Ewan MacColl

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7lc29ei70wbyf/The_Song_Carriers_-_Ewan_MacColl

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 05 Mar 17 - 09:59 AM

Folk 75 anyone?

https://we.tl/imnOObp9dG

https://we.tl/3MiSu4VdX4

Avail. for a few days.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: StephenH
Date: 05 Mar 17 - 12:47 PM

Man, I feel like such a glutton, grabbing all this great stuff.
Thanks for the last bunch, Chris and Jim.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 06 Mar 17 - 07:08 AM

Folkweaves with Tony Capstick galore. The Beeb at Radio Manchester junked all the masters into a skip out back. We know this because a folkie found them, rescued them, and digitised them. But then he faded from the scene. The link is to a set that are now unique survivors. 1.5GB worth.

https://we.tl/65sdW0Ti1E

Genome will tell you whose on them.

They have been digitised at 128kbps. They may have to be redone at 192kbps. But this will take time.

Most suffer from a cassette turnover event after about 45 mins (likely during Tony Foxworthy's folk events round ups).

Enjoy!!

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 06 Mar 17 - 07:39 AM

More Folkweaves ...

https://we.tl/imAMW54NS8

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 17 - 08:49 AM

"Thanks for the last bunch, Chris and Jim."
No thanks due to me - this is all down to Chris
All I've done is pass on what I have.
Somme of these are gems and if everybody passed on what they may have hoarded, perhaps they won't be lost treasures.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Mar 17 - 04:17 PM

Marvellous - Thank you.

Folkweave 1979-04-12 includes Tony Rose from Loughborough 1978
(starts at 42 mins - after Burl Ives !)   Tony sings:
Us Poor Fellows / Pensioners Lament / Young Allan ??

Can anyone suggest an easy solution whereby we might collectively
compile an index of this cornucopia and make it available in some way
on Mudcat.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GMGough
Date: 06 Mar 17 - 05:49 PM

sorry that was me. - possibly auto logged out by Win 10 ???
please include me in to any discussion with regard to
compiling an index.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 09:50 AM

More Folk on Frday...

https://we.tl/m0i4NKP2eY

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 10:19 AM

Remember Genome can give details of each programme - but nothing beats actually listening!!! BTW if you can improve the sound quality please feel free to have a go. But we aware that if a file is recorded in say MP3 128 kbps and then saved in say MP3 320 kbps or FLAC or WAV - it is still just a 128 kbps MP3 file. That's called entropy.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 11:37 AM

Folk on 2 and City Folk from 1971

https://we.tl/adHSLlN6Xa

Enjoy!!

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 11 Mar 17 - 12:53 PM

More City Folk with Fred Woods - 1971

http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?adv=0&q=city+folk#search

https://we.tl/0xUcV0InnE

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Mar 17 - 03:54 PM

Any chance someone can upload these We Transfer files again? I didn't grab them in time. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 18 Mar 17 - 07:37 PM

There were loads of them. They're ony there for a week. It mght be posible to re-upload them in a few weeks. Which ones are ou missng?

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Mar 17 - 10:35 PM

The 5 files of My Kind of Folk shows. I would be extremely grateful if someone could upload them again. I didn't realize they would only be up for such a short time. Thanks in advance!

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 19 Mar 17 - 08:19 AM

Yes, I too keep missing the chance to grab when the files are only up for a short time. Basically because I don't always manage to get online every couple of days to check it out.
Perhaps it would be most useful if you could tell us at the time of posting, how long that particular link will be valid for.
But either way you're doing us all a valuable service by posting the links - thanks!

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 17 - 10:24 AM

Yes it would be great if you could re-up the 5 files of My Kind of Folk once again.

thanks

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 19 Mar 17 - 06:40 PM

OK - can do, but have to be in a couple of weeks.

Basically there are:

Folk on Friday
Folk 75
Folk 78
My Kind of Folk
Folk on 2
Folk Sounds on Sunday (folk concerts)
Folk Song Cellar
Degrees of Folk
Folkeave

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 06:08 AM

That would be great, whenever you can do it, even if we have to wait a couple of weeks. It will be much appreciated. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 07:20 AM

I should note that the link for the Folk on 2 shows is still working so those don't need to be uploaded again

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 11:53 AM

There's lots more Folk on 2s.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 11:18 AM

More of the Folk On 2 shows would be great too. I downloaded the one set and have been enjoying those. Looking forward to hearing more of those and the My Kind Of Folk.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 06:39 PM

Unfortunately due to certain religious s.c.u.m. the whole area at the Southbank in London is under lockdown. That is where much of the uploading is done; they have superfast free wifi there. It will be Monday before we csn get there - if at all.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Gavin Paterson
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 07:05 AM

I missed them too. I'm really interested in the My Kind Of Folk ones as per the second message in this thread. I'll keep watching......

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 07:31 AM

Interesting interview with Peggy Seeger on Irish radio last night
Wonder if anybody heard it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 05:11 PM

Try these ...

https://we.tl/ZKs2zsMmXH

https://we.tl/T69snG1bbY

https://we.tl/AsNe29q5Gz

https://we.tl/LHJ6s46X2o

https://we.tl/DbFvMBOPgE

https://we.tl/JCIi9f5tvh

https://we.tl/KZQj2mVTTi

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 09:59 PM

Thanks for these, two of the links aren't working, but the rest should keep us busy for a little while. Can't wait to hear some of the others!

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 03:33 PM

Another link ...

https://we.tl/FCQkjUZSyc

Which were the ones not working?

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 04:05 PM

These two show up as "Transfer Deleted"

https://we.tl/DbFvMBOPgE

https://we.tl/ZKs2zsMmXH

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: Gavin Paterson
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 12:35 PM

I got all a good lot of these. As has been said, a couple are now 'missing' but that should be enough to be getting on with. Thanks....

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 07:21 PM

More here ...

https://we.tl/hkoWvZoWDH

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Brian Grayson
Date: 28 Mar 17 - 01:22 AM

My goodness gracious me - such a treasure trove on here!

I have cassettes and open-reel tapes of various clubs, recorded between 1970 and 1976, some of which I've transferred to digital, mostly mp3s. The Enterprise, Friday Folk (the one south of the river), Hammersmith, and more. If anyone's interested I could make up a list and arrange to get as many as you wish to you, if you can tell me the best way to do it...

Thank you, thank you, thank you for all your contributions. I'd love to pay the favour forward.

briangrayson@iprimus. com.au (or on here)

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 28 Mar 17 - 09:27 AM

Hi - it would be great to have ree-reel / cassette tapes uploaded here. The way to do it is:

1/ Send a zipped file to WeTransfer.com emailed to yourself. When this arrives copy the download link to a post here. It will be good for 7 days (as a blue clicky of course).

2/ Create a free Mediafire.com account, then create a folder under 'MyFiles' say 'Folk Archive'. In this create other folders for the files you want to share. Then upload the files to these specific folders. Then share the links to the folder 'Folk Archive' or the specific folders here (as a blue clickies of course).

When digitising tapes don't forget to lift the volume - but avoid clipping. You might need to adjust the speed (and pitch) to match the original transmission. This is especially critical with cassette tapes - many recorders / players did not run true. Normalise the digital version. Then Save As FLAC, WAV or MP3 (320kbps).

CJB

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 03:16 PM

A link to a missing WeTransfer zip file

http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=g3e145ecd23a6d07499994735808aea51b549458c9

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 03 Apr 17 - 10:24 AM

My Kind of Folk

https://we.tl/Ur3PDRqBem

https://we.tl/UpbmDu8rM3

Folkweave - with Toni Arthur

https://we.tl/HxfKUHtHAH

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 17 - 09:24 PM

Wow! Thank You! I've been waiting for these My Kind Of Folk shows. I only listened to two shows so far but I can't wait to dig in and go through them all eventually. Some really great stuff here for sure.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 06:15 PM

Missing MKF no. 26

https://we.tl/ZPRME1vFjZ

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 06:25 PM

Links are good for 6 days:

* Down Home

From Appalachia to Nashville
https://we.tl/3gFICXRgGD

From Shetland to Texas
https://we.tl/3MvIkuw6VD

From Cape Breton to Quebec
https://we.tl/IuHzPwjNqX

Good Times - Down Home and Back Home
https://we.tl/CdaFTkLu6d

* Radio Ballad Films (thanks Jim C.)

The Shoals of Herring
https://we.tl/wpTZbvaEjb

The Fight Game
https://we.tl/IrfyZjaQHN

The Big Hewer
https://we.tl/fYKKsNCNLc

* Sam Larner (1967) (thanks Jim C.)
https://we.tl/NLUiiwGoet

* The Song Carriers - Ewan MacColl (1968) (thanks Jim C.)
https://we.tl/SEOQ5tP5R0

* Songs of the People by A.L.Lloyd (1972) (thanks Jim C.)
https://we.tl/As29x8MfKv

* John Peel - As I Roved Out (1999)
* Radio London (off-shore pirate) -
John Peel's Final Perfumed Garden
https://we.tl/iPoeNWQ7NZ

===

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,Frank Scott
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 06:26 PM

This is a fascinating thread - it's too bad I only just found it as most of the stuff has gone. I have the Folk On Two Shows and a few of the others but missed most of the My Kind Of Folk shows. Is there any chance you could upload them again. Would it be possible to arrange it so they are up longer than a week? Is this a limitation of the file hoster or a slf imposed limitation. I got the Folk on Two shows from usenet so if you have suggestions for a particular group where I might find the other shows that would work too.
It looks like you have some wonderful stuff.
I'm of the opinion that if no one is making a profit then there is no harm and from the folk artists I've met over the years I don't think most of them would mind and, in some cases, would be glad of additional exposure.

Subject: RE: Cornucopia of 1960's Brit. Folk
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 03:35 AM

Frank - My Kind of Folk is still here ...

My Kind of Folk

https://we.tl/Ur3PDRqBem

https://we.tl/UpbmDu8rM3

Folkweave - with Toni Arthur

https://we.tl/HxfKUHtHAH

Missing MKF no. 26

https://we.tl/ZPRME1vFjZ

Wetransfer has a 7-day limit of availability.