What Good Is Mudcat?

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Mar 17 - 03:25 PM

QUOTE: The Guardian

"In a statement on its website, the IMDb said it had "concluded that IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive, useful experience for the vast majority of our more than 250 million monthly users worldwide", and that the decision was "based on data and traffic".

More specifically, the company – which was set up in 1990 by Bristol-based IT worker Col Needham and later sold to Amazon – said that a shift to social media had made the message boards less vital; users, they said, had "migrated to IMDb's social media accounts as the primary place they choose to post comments and communicate with IMDb's editors and one another".

The message boards had long been seen by Needham as an integral part of the IMDb's appeal. He told the Guardian in 2013: "The human brain likes to make connections. Somebody spots a connection between two things ... you want to share that knowledge. And IMDb is a good platform.""


Has mudcat similarly diminished since certain cliques apparently deserted mudcat to set up their own cosy private gated community on facebook...???

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Mar 17 - 03:16 PM

"After 16 years, IMDb's message boards and the ability to privately message other users is shutting down, with many members of the community openly mourning the loss of the section. IMDb, which stands from the Internet Movie Database, is one of the world's biggest databases for film and television. According to the company, there is information on more than 4.1 million titles and 7.7 million personalities available on the site as of January 2017. The message board, which was introduced in 2001, reportedly remains one of the most used services on the website, but despite that, the company is getting ready to shut it down, citing a desire to foster a positive environment and serve its audience the best way it can.

"After in-depth discussion and examination, we have concluded that IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive, useful experience for the vast majority of our more than 250 million monthly users worldwide," a statement on the site reads. "The decision to retire a long-standing feature was made only after careful consideration and was based on data and traffic. Because IMDb's message boards continue to be utilized by a small but passionate community of IMDb users, we announced our decision to disable our message boards on February 3, 2017 but will leave them open for two additional weeks so that users will have ample time to archive any message board content they'd like to keep for personal use. During this two-week transition period, which concludes on February 19, 2017, IMDb message board users can exchange contact information with any other board users they would like to remain in communication with (since once we shut down the IMDb message boards, users will no longer be able to send personal messages to one another).""

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Mar 17 - 01:17 PM

They did that on Chiff and Fipple a few years ago. Just completely wiped from existence the non-music political section. Il n'existe plus! Year Zero!

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Mar 17 - 11:25 AM

..imagine you come to mudcat and discover all the forum threads have been permanently deleted overnight..
The song database is still available, but the only content on the front page is PR 'news' releases from record labels...

The reason given being "it's a major update that gives modern users what they want".

No debate, minimal notice, no regard for protests.. just discarded by one almighty corporate decision...


That's exactly what happened to IMDB recently.. years of user generated database
lovingly contributed by enthusiasts, film makers, academics, critics,
all that accumulated serious knowledge, interaction, and researchable material, just disappeared forever...

Kinda puts our petty grumbles & dissatisfactions with mudcat into perspective.........

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 17 - 08:13 AM

Historic reference
World wide personal accounts of events
OLD IDEAS
new ideas
literary contributions
music technique and lessons
personal relationships
gargantuan song data base
mental health
physical health
overarching humane and kind ethos
A virtual anthology of humor ;

all seem to outweigh the tantrums, thought drift and variable tempers of a miniscule minority on Mudcat.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 17 - 09:33 PM

Its not rocket science. It's more like common sense squared.
As a dyslexic I am not learning disabled but I do have communication deficits. Perhaps what we have here, is a fay-ya ta communicate.
Besides songs take me years to master, be it on the cello or ukulele.
Damn the no talent, full speed ahead.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Mar 17 - 03:48 PM

Pretty much, Donuel, but it is a lot to take in. It takes me months to learn a new tune. Probably take years for this! Luckily, my brother is skilled in NLP and worked for a long time in personal coaching. We are due for some fraternal quality time so I will seek assistance.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 17 - 02:31 PM

Next chapter
the frame of the strict father idea and the subconscious.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 17 - 02:23 PM

That is the end for this thread. No one wants homework.

To actually know why people behave the way they do because of words and why they have the world views they have, is a powerful knowledge tool for good or evil.

If this is a new concept you do not have the option to think "aha this I accept wholeheartedly". Your neural filter can only change the concept within your POV, ignore or ridicule. It is like choosing the red pill or blue pill in the Matrix. Once known, you can not unsee it.

I can explain why good people can become hateful bloodthirsty conservatives by nurture alone and without psychopathology.
A seamless hierarchy is needed. The mindset or paradigm works like this;
Success is defined in this hierarchy as wealth of the wealthy over the lazy losers who lack ambition or intelligent skills. The rest of the pecking order is God over man, man over nature, white over dark races, America over other Countries, Adult over child, everyone over the animal kingdom and ecology.

Even if a person only believes in one or two of these hierarchies, with repetition, the entire mind set of the person soon believes in the total misdirection. In reality we have many more than one world view but a Conservative comes to believe in the whole ball of wax.

What does the repetition have to do with this? Repetition promotes neural dendrite growth in your brain.

A progressive exercises their empathy and care for the collective.
Democracy can not survive without caring.

You know John Lennon was right in his song Imagine. The folks who said 'everything you know is wrong' were on the right track. If you ever heard that your brain is not your own, that too was correct.

A brain training regime works on many people but not necessarily you personally. There are means to overcome the human reality of neural linguistic propaganda. There are also means, although difficult to retrain the conservative hyperbole.

If you think your brain is separate from your heart or body it is not.
That is where the subconscious comes in but that is story for another time. Acting your way to change is even more powerful than thinking your way to a change.


Dave the Gnome, is this what you wanted?

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Mar 17 - 09:18 AM

I shall bookmark that for later perusal - Thanks Donuel.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 17 - 08:38 AM

edit
In college I discovered that 'I' was a good hypnotic subject.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 17 - 08:28 AM

Dave the Gnome, You, Mr. Red, Joe, Senofou, Steve and Mrzzy are ready to understand this discussion link which is a brief overview of my identical view of our brains and behavior.

A brief discussion of our mind and body adopting world views.

Where my dad left off as a political science professor this is where I went a step further. I was only 3 when I saw my first holocaust films and started my quest to learn why people do such things.

It was not until college that I discovered that was a good hypnotic subject when everything fell into place. Having dyslexia and studying psychological communication was like a quest to learn who I was and why. Only then could I extrapolate to others with some real empathy.

I have spoken of this POV for 15 years here but one must accept that less than 1% of our posts are either read or understood.

The world view that the richest people are the superior people is the first mistake the conservative mind makes. To call the world view formation and how the mind is influenced by repetition as merely hypnosis is a gross simplification but a fair comparison. It is a difference between the short run and the long run.

Having my own hypnosis clinic right out of college for 12 years was quite an education I kid you not.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Mar 17 - 05:20 AM

Hahaha Mrrzy! Actually my husband showed me just the other day a video of a white lady who amazes the locals in Cote d'Ivoire because she speaks fluent Malinke. Oh I'd absolutely love to be able to do that!

In Senegal (Djouloulou) the ladies there told me that a toubabe was sitting squashed on one of those ricketty minibuses, and the locals were talking about her in Wolof, saying "Why on Earth is she riding on this bus? You'd think she could afford a taxi!" etc. She turned to them and in perfect Wolof gave them a right mouthful, to the effect that she had as much right as them to be on the bus. They apparently shrieked with laughter and gave that loud single CLAP with their hands that African ladies do when they're amazed.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 11:10 PM

Senoufou, I knew a PCV or maybe grad student named Barbara Lewis whom the locals called Bambara Louise.

And Donuel - Women, Fire and Dangerous Things is one of my favorite books!

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 06:01 PM

Not sure what them are either! Maybe I'll not bother with that thesis. I am too thick:-(

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Amos
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 05:54 PM

Well, pardon my snark, fellow Catters. I enjoy good-flowing conversation as much as any man, I believe, but I get cross with slaggers and sech.

A

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 04:44 PM

I feel very humble reading all these well-educated folk's accounts of their studies! We're so lucky to have had the opportunities in a developed country. In my estimation, my husband is an extremely intelligent man, but he had a woefully short and poor 'education' with sixty boys in his class, no equipment whatsoever and merely repeating what the teacher said over and over until the bell rang. A huge stick was savagely applied across the shoulders to any slackers. He could have achieved a university degree I reckon, but he had no chance at all.
I don't know what youngsters today feel about all the advantages they have (one can't expect them to be overly grateful, as they've known nothing else) but in the fifties we were truly blessed and knew it. Our parents made sure of that!

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 04:27 PM

I left sec mod with 7 CSEs and O level Maths and Art - Honest! As the old joke goes, spent the first 5 years of my working life painting computers :-) Luckily I got accepted into the local Grammar post Sec Mod and went to to do 3 or 4 more O's along with A level History, Economics and British Constitution and Government. I did find it very difficult however and, on discovering girls and beer, decided it was easier to give it up and start work with a local urban district council. In those heady days of the early 70s there was ample opportunity for day release and I gained an ONC in Business Studies with honours in most of the subjects. Went on to do an LSE economics degree at Wigan Tech but, sadly, it as cancelled after a couple of months because there were only 3 of us :-( By that time the family was growing anyway so I stopped higher education but I have often thought about doing a degree. Could combine my computer skills with something more interesting. Maybe a Thesis on ancient Roman databases...

Talking about Wigan Tech. I kid you not, when I enrolled it was in the canteen. Menu for the day was steak pie or chicken pie with cheese pie as the vegetarian option. Sweet was apple pie or rhubarb pie. The sobriquet pie-eaters is well earned.

:D tG

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 03:48 PM

Our brand new grammar school didn't offer the classics, but did offer Russian, French and German. At 'A' Level I was studying English Lit. French, German and that blooming Latin, each with quite a few literary works to be tackled. I loved it though. We didn't have the 11 plus - our County stopped that and allocated us by continuous assessment, and opened one of the first Comprehensives in England.

Another thing I like about Mudcat is the high standard of posts. If one has a look at, say, Netmums, one will see just what horrors exist elsewhere.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 03:05 PM

I passed the 11 plus 1970 and got shipped off by bus to the nearest big town traditional strict boy's grammar every school day...
Latin was compulsory from day 1

Bearing in mind the controversy over selectivity at age 11...
the school practised even more targeted selection at the end of year one...

Boys who were good at Latin were streamed into the languages elite and then did German as well;
The rest of us stopped Latin completely and only continued with French and 'less intellectually demanding' subjects...

Trouble was I was even more shit at metal work and sciences than Latin... 😬

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 02:57 PM

Oh Steve, I'm sure you know and are only teasing, but phenomena is the plural form of phenomenon. One can't have a phenomena!

I had to scramble up a Latin 'O' level in only two years, as I'd decided to go to Edinburgh Uni and Latin was part of the Attestation of Fitness to enter the Arts Faculty Linguistics course. A fantastic and very posh teacher at my grammar school, Miss Bailey-Reynolds (an Oxford graduate and rowing blue) undertook to get me through it with good old Kennedy's Latin Primer. I got grade 3, and remember nothing of the literature (Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est...?) but good old Miss Bailey-Reynolds had all the cribs and encouraged me to cheat by learning them in English. She did all this in her own time, one-to-one, and I bless her to this day. She had teeth that stuck out horribly and rather resembled a horse, but I really loved her.

PS Don't you just hate eye-dillick for idyllic?

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 02:36 PM

I've also got 'O' Level Latin, Senoufou, and I regard it as the most useful subject I did at school. Unfortunately, grade 4 is all I could manage as I neglected to learn me Virgil - I could never help thinking that so much was lost in translation! Bo-ring! I was fine with all that translating and declining and conjugating (if you'll pardon my French), but beautiful poetry translated into near-doggerel - yikes!

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 02:28 PM

Sorry, Senoufou. I was just cross because I missed two omnibi in a row last night and had to walk home. I haven't got an agendum, honest. It's the kind thing that does crop up on these fora every now and again. I find it to be a very strange phenomena.


😂😂😂

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 02:06 PM

I have a keen interest in yet not much knowledge of neuro-linguistic programming Donuel. I would be interested to hear what you have to say although I must agree that I may not like it much! It is quite scary to think that someone can manipulate you and you don't even know it :-( It is for that very reason that I stopped following the mass media many years ago and treat almost everything I see on the internet with a pinch of salt.

Bring it on! We can cope. Besides, forewarned is forearmed :-D

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 01:51 PM

Either hippopotamuses or hippopotami is correct Steve. The latter is considered a bit pedantic now, but I'm an old biddy, and like to feel I've applied the Latin plural correctly. (I've only got 'O' Level Latin, but one has to do what one can with what one has!)

That's really fascinating Mrrzy, and as you say, what Mudcat is all about. I did challenge my husband about toubab etc as it doesn't agree with what I'd heard from Wolofs and the Djiola in Senegal, but he says, for example, 'domuli toubabou' (white people's food) and he often smiles and says 'mi feh toubabou!' (I love you whitey!) He's never written or read Bambara/Malinke as he was taught only French in school, and very sketchily at that. But it was his mother tongue, then French and now English. He's done well hasn't he to have mastered all three?

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 01:48 PM

Dear Max, You have seen people behave as they do despite enlightened precautions and moderation.

My life's work has been in neural linguistics in which the word hypnosis is merely an abbreviation of the concepts of cognitive and unconscious communication.

To discuss my life's work is a no win situation since everyone has a neural filter that will either ignore, change or ridicule new information one does not understand.

Here is a link to a person that I agree with every sentence and concept. You will see how your experience will identify with these concepts.


http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/interviews/professor-cognitive-science-george-lakoff/

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Stu
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 01:33 PM

"Don't wanna troll you, Senoufou, but shouldn't it be "hippopotamuses?""

Now that's a talking point... ;-)

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 01:23 PM

Back at Senoufou - In Sub-Sararan West African French, at least where I was, le toubab was the *doctor* and toubabou was un blanc.

I saw a vanity tag that said TUBABUU and I was impressed by the accuracy of that long last syllable. Left a note on their windshield but never heard back...

See, THIS is the kind of thing that below-the-line is good for!

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 12:28 PM

Don't wanna troll you, Senoufou, but shouldn't it be "hippopotamuses?" 😈

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 11:07 AM

Ah, Robert Frost. Excellent poet!

"Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in and walling out,
And to whom I'd give offence..."    Very appropriate here, keberoxu.

I also adore another of his poems 'Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening' The line "...and miles to go before I sleep..." always brings tears to my eyes.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 11:02 AM

Beyond me I'm afraid. I'll stick to cheese and sparrows.

:D tG

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: keberoxu
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 10:31 AM

The word that keeps coming back to me, when this pro-and-con progresses, is "territorial." The territorial approach certainly gets and holds attention; on one level, it is satisfying to the people who are doing it.

Territoriality has its limits though. I guess you don't mind driving the onlookers away as long as your claims and possessiveness are your first priority?

Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
that wants it down....

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 09:39 AM

I've just looked up the list of 'English Terms Of Venery' for the old names of various groups of animals, and it's:-

A BLOAT of Hippoptami !!! Very appropriate in my case. Hee hee!

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: keberoxu
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 09:29 AM

According to the late Rumer Godden (who has read her novels?),
an episode of sparrows.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 08:06 AM

Well I'm surprised if anyone thinks I'm part of a pack. Or a flock.
I'm more the shape of a hippo really. Especially the ...er...rear end.

I'm seeing this not as thread drift but part of the lovely ambience of Mudcat where anything and everything can be discussed. It's a great pleasure to me and much appreciated. I have no 'agenda' to derail or spoil any thread here.

In this thread alone I've learned a lot, and now know things I didn't know before.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 07:32 AM

Nah, Amos. We're looking for the diamond in the crock of shite.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 07:29 AM

Too many lumpy bits in a flock o'sparrers, Dave. An imperfect analogy I should say. Mind you, Boltonians allus were a bit bloody thick....

Let's carry on making a flocking nuisance of ourselves, Dave. We could always be a pack of doves!

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 06:40 AM

But wolves come in packs and doves come in flocks. Are you suggesting that we get the flock out of here Steve? :-)

I was just reminded of one of my favourite expressions. I first came across it when I started work at Worsley UDC so have always assumed it was from around the Bolton area. On returning from the toilet one of the brickies explained he had suffered from lose bowels with the phrase...

It come away like a flock o' sparrers

:D tG

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 06:32 AM

We are the doves, not the wolves! Now all we have to do is to convince the American mods (with all respect to them, as they have an impossible job) who have done a bloody good imitation of sitting on their hands recently whilst three or four real nasties screw up threads in runaway fashion (even above the line now, fer chrissake!) that a handful of BRITS are trying to make things below-the-line viable and a bit more pleasant. Adelante! Excelsior! Annoy the naysayers!

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 06:22 AM

The thread was destroyed on the first day, Iains, well before any thread drift started.

Hey, Eliza - How do you feel about being one of the pack? :-) Maybe we should rename you 'Dances with wolves'!

:D tG

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Iains
Date: 15 Mar 17 - 05:41 AM

Another thread destroyed by the usual pack.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Amos
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 11:02 PM

What enthusiastic thread-drifters! Cheese and pasta, indeed! Chasing dust motes and ignoring the emerald in the middle of the room.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 03:09 PM

Oh Steve, you've spoiled my image of Cathedral City cheese! We adore their Extra Mature, it has tiny grains of salt in and a wonderfully strong flavour. Mature Yet Mellow is also very good. How could you tell me it comes from such an uninspiring place?!! I was picturing a cathedral city similar to Norwich, with dreaming spires and the gentle lowing of grass-fed cows drifting across the meadows... I'm now clutching my pearls in horror.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 03:09 PM

I have never made pastry as it's one of the last bastions of Mrs Steve's kitchen endeavours. She won't let me have a go. We slummed it on omelette and chips tonight (spuds cut into chunks, skin on, parboiled, baked in the hottest possible oven in groundnut oil for 25 minutes).   She has hers plain, I stick a heap of Parmesan in mine. Gotta be three eggs, gotta be done in butter, gotta be done hot and fast.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 03:00 PM

The 'cheese' used in our cheese flan school dinner in the fifties was probably that rock hard greyish soapy stuff with a rather odd flavour. Just after the War most food was a bit ersatz, unless one grew it oneself. I adore cheese, but it has to be good quality regional speciality, not unspecified 'cheese'.
The school pastry was ghastly too. A sort of grey colour and hard as the hobs. I expect the ratio of fat to flour was poor, and the flour itself bog standard. I make very nice pastry (if I say so myself) but one must use lots of fat (butter and lard) and stone ground flour, the minimum of handling and a short burst in a very hot oven.

See, Mudcat is also the source of lots of food advice and cookery tips!

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 02:57 PM

We're working on it. Yeah, you bollocked me once for incorrectly locatiing Wookey Hole Cave-aged. I still think it's the finest of all Cheddars. But, and I hate to say it, there's a factory cheese that is almost (not quite, though) up there with it. It's Cathedral City Extra Mature. Not Vintage, not light, not ordinary mature. I was amazed and disgusted that I could like a factory cheese that much. I generally take against Cathedral City because they make it in Davidstow, just up from us, in a factory that looks like a nuclear reactor. The roads round here can be jammed up with huge great articulated milk tankers with Cathedral City emblazoned on the side. None of your local, carefully-selected high-welfare farms for them! They used a photo of Bedruthan Steps beach to make us think that they make their cheese by the romantic shores of the wild Atlantic. Bollocks. The ugly factory is miles inland and nowhere near Bedruthan Steps, and is surrounded by a scene of dereliction and a disused airfield!

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 02:42 PM

I'm a west country boy.. I was born with a love for Cheddar cheese in my genes...

Then one school dinner at grammar school - I was 11 - they served a quiche
which was so revolting it put me off eating cheese again for years...

I'd gag a at the mere thought of cheese until my late teens... 😰


Which is a bit like the effect mudcat can have from time to time...🙄

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 12:16 PM

A good window on what we thought of school dinners can be gained by looking at these childrens rhymes.

Now we have a folklore link! Yay :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 12:04 PM

I'm afraid some of us have started on the school dinners theme on the Spam thread too keberoxu! I expect once one has experienced UK school dinners in the fifties and sixties, one is traumatised for life and can't stop bringing up (sorry!) the subject at every opportunity.

Subject: RE: What Good Is Mudcat?
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Mar 17 - 10:26 AM

I think the school dinners discussion was,
not the spam thread,
but the Remember the Broccoli thread.