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Subject: BS: No Donal-John/ Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 08:17 AM

Well my goodness, it really was all fake news...surprise surprise!

From the New York Times(Trump controlled rag)

WASHINGTON — For much of the summer, the F.B.I. pursued a widening investigation into a Russian role in the American presidential campaign. Agents scrutinized advisers close to Donald J. Trump, looked for financial connections with Russian financial figures, searched for those involved in hacking the computers of Democrats, and even chased a lead — which they ultimately came to doubt — about a possible secret channel of email communication from the Trump Organization to a Russian bank.

Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: No Donal-John/ Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 08:42 AM

Note the date of the article that you did not provide a link for, Oct.31.2016.

plus "From the New York Times(Trump controlled rag)" WTF is that?

Better clean up your act if your going to go to bat for a schlump like Donal-Jerk.


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Subject: RE: BS: No Donal-John/ Russia link (FBI)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 09:11 AM

Since than the BBC has run a programme showing Trum meeting with Russian officials and also dealing with Trump's business dealings with the Russian Mafia - including employing a Mafia assassin on the books of one of his companies.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: No Donal-John/ Russia link (FBI)
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 09:40 AM

So out of touch with CURRENT events. (Trump controlling the "failing" NYT, and the fact that the "news" is old, outdated, and wrong.)

I also find it ironic that the propensity toward cutesy names, mostly used to ridicule people around here, means that not even a Trump lover like Ake can stand calling him by his title and name.

Not even him...


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 09:44 AM

Comey Expected to Confirm if FBI is Investigating Trump and Russia


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Stu
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 09:51 AM

Let's see what Comey says today.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 10:01 AM

Just Ake being Ake. Don't try to change his mind with facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 10:46 AM

"I have been authorized by the DoJ to confirm that the FBI.. is investigating the Russian government's attempts to interfere in the 2016 election... that includes any links between the Trump campaign... this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed."- James Comey at 10:34 A.M. this morning in The House Intelligence Panel.

It appears that the only "fake news" revealed in this thread was provided by the OP in his first sentence.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 01:29 PM

Ake's just channelling his hero Hump.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 05:00 PM

Comey said he can't reveal the findings of an uncompleted investigation, so we won't get definitive answers from the FBI yet.
Makes one wonder how Ake (and Trump) get such definitive information....
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 05:11 PM

It was a very odd time to pick to start this thread, just hours before the matter was to be before the committee. I'd be interested in hearing why ake decided not to wait a few hours.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 05:16 PM

Comey said he can't reveal the findings of an uncompleted investigation, so we won't get definitive answers....

Didn't seem to bother him when he was screwing Hillary tho, did it, Joe??


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 05:29 PM

How Ake gets it (if one reads this whole thread) is he goes back to October. My guess that this thread was started because Ake didn't notice the date either, or maybe didn't care.

Whatever.

There's too much smoke here for there to be no fire. I'd predict though, that this will involve some individuals falling on their swords in order to protect Trump. I hope not, but that's what I see happening.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 17 - 09:02 PM

SCHIFF:
Let me give you a short preview of what I expect you'll be asked by our members. Whether the Russian active measures campaign began as nothing more than an attempt to gather intelligence or was always intended to be more than that, we do not know and is one of the questions we hope to answer. But we do know this; the months of July and August 2016 appear to have been pivotal.

It was at this time the Russians began using the information they had stolen to help Donald Trump and harm Hillary Clinton. And so the question is, why? What was happening in July, August of last year and were U.S. persons involved? Here are some of the matters drawn from public sources alone since that is all we can discuss in this setting that concern us and we believe should concern all Americans.

In early July, Carter Page, someone candidate Trump identified as one of his national security advisors, travels to Moscow on a trip approved by the Trump campaign. While in Moscow, he gives a speech critical of the United States and other western countries for what he believes is a hypocritical focus on democratization and efforts to fight corruption.

According to Christopher Steele, a British — a former British intelligence officer, who is reportedly held in high regard by U.S. intelligence, Russian sources tell him that Page has also had a secret meeting with Igor Sechin, CEO of the Russian gas giant, Rosneft. Sechin is reported to be a former KGB agent and close friend of Putin's.

According to Steele's Russian sources, Page is offered brokerage fees by such an on a deal involving a 19 percent share of the company. According to Reuters, the sale of a 19.5 percent share of Rosneft later takes place with unknown purchasers and unknown brokerage fees. Also, according to Steele's Russian sources, the campaign has offered documents damaging to Hillary Clinton which the Russians would publish through an outlet that gives them deniability like WikiLeaks.

The hacked documents would be in exchange for a Trump administration policy that de-emphasizes Russia's invasion of Ukraine and instead focuses on criticizing NATO countries for not paying their fair share. Policies which even as recently as the President's meeting last week with Angela Merkel have now presently come to pass. In the middle of July, Paul Manafort, the — the Trump campaign manager and someone who was a long on the payroll of Pro Russian- Ukrainian interests attends the Russian — the Republican Party Convention. Carter Page, back from Moscow, also attends the convention. According to Steele, it was Manafort who chose Page to serve as a go-between for the Trump campaign and Russian interests.

Ambassador Kislyak, who presides over a Russian Embassy in which diplomatic personnel would later be expelled as likely spies, also attends the Republican Party Convention and meets with Carter Page, and additional Trump advisors J.D. Gordon and Walid Phares. It was J.D. Gordon who approved Page's trip to Moscow.

Ambassador Kislyac also meets with Trump national campaign chair, National Security Campaign Chair and now attorney general, Jeff Sessions. Sessions would later deny meeting with Russian officials during his Senate confirmation hearing. Just prior to the convention, the Republican Party platform is changed, removing a section that supports the provision of lethal defensive weapons to Ukraine, an action that would be contrary to Russian interests.

Manafort categorically denies involvement by the Trump campaign and altering the platform, but the Republican Party delegate who offered the language in support of providing defensive weapons to Ukraine states it was removed at the insistence of the Trump campaign. Later, J.D. Gordon admits opposing the inclusion of the provision of the time it was being debated and prior to its being removed.

Later in July and after the convention, the first stolen emails detrimental to Hillary Clinton appear on WikiLeaks. A hacker who goes by the moniker, Guccifer 2.0, claims responsibility for hacking the DNC and giving the documents to WikiLeaks. A leading private cyber security firms including Crowdstrike, Mandiant and ThreatConnect review the evidence of the hack and conclude with high certainty that it was the work of APT 28 and APT 29 who are known to be Russian intelligence services.

The U.S. intelligence committee also later confirms that the documents were in fact stolen by Russian intelligence and Guccifer 2.0 acted as a front. Also in late July, candidate Trump praises WikiLeaks, says he loves them and openly appeals to the Russians to hack his opponents emails telling them that they will be richly rewarded by the press.

On August 8th, Roger Stone, a long time Trump political advisor and self-proclaimed political dirty trickster, boasts in his speech that he has communicated with Assange and that more documents would be coming, including an October surprise. In the middle of August, he also communicates with the Russian cut out Guccifer 2.0 and authors a Breitbart piece denying Guccifer's links to Russian intelligence.

Then later, in August, Stone does something truly remarkable. When he predicts that John Podesta's personal emails will soon be published, trust me he says, it will soon be Podesta's time in the barrel, #crookedHillary. In the weeks that follow, Stone shows remarkable prescience. I have total confidence that WikiLeaks and my hero, Julian Assange will educate the American people soon, he says, #LockHerUp. Payload coming, he predicts and two days later it does.

WikiLeaks releases its first batch of Podesta emails. The release of John Podesta's emails would then continue on a daily basis, up until the election. On Election Day in November, Donald Trump wins. Donald Trump appoints one of his high-profile surrogates, Michael Flynn, to be his national security advisor. Michael Flynn has been paid by the Kremlin's propaganda outfit RT in the past, as well as another Russian entity.

In December, Michael Flynn has a secret conversation with Ambassador Kislyak, about sanctions imposed by President Obama on Russia over attacking designed to help the Trump campaign. Michael Flynn lies about the secret conversation. The vice president unknowingly then assures the country that no — no such conversation ever happened. The president is informed that Flynn has lied and Pence has misled the country. The president does nothing.

Two weeks later, the press reveals that Flynn has lied and the president is forced to fire Mr. Flynn. The president then praises the man who lied, Mr. Flynn, and castigates the press for exposing the lie.

Now, is it possible that the removal of the Ukraine provision from the GOP platform was a coincidence? Is it a coincidence that Jeff Sessions failed to tell the Senate about his meetings with a Russian ambassador, not only at the convention, but a more private meeting in his office and at a time when the U.S. election was under attack by the Russians?

Is it a coincidence that Michael Flynn would lie about a conversation he had with the same Russian Ambassador Kislyak, about the most pressing issue facing both countries at the time they spoke, the U.S. imposition of sanctions over Russian hacking of our election designed to help Donald Trump? Is it a coincidence that the Russian gas company, Rosneft, sold a 19 percent share after former British intelligence officer Steele was told by Russian sources that Carter Page was offered fees on a deal of just that size?

Is it a coincidence that Steele's Russian sources also affirmed that Russian had stolen documents hurtful to Secretary Clinton that it would utilize in exchange for Pro Russian policies that would later come to pass? Is it a coincidence that Roger Stone predicted that John Podesta would be a victim of a Russian hack and have his private emails published and did so even before Mr. Podesta himself, was fully aware that his private emails would be exposed?

Is it possible that all of these events and reports are completely unrelated and nothing more than an entirely unhappy coincidence? Yes, it is possible. But it is also possible, maybe more than possible, that they are not coincidental, not disconnected and not unrelated and that the Russians use the same techniques to corrupt U.S. persons that they employed in Europe and elsewhere. We simply don't know, not yet. And we owe it to the country to find out.


COMEY:
As you know, our practice is not to confirm the existence of ongoing investigations, especially those investigations that involve classified matters, but in unusual circumstances where it is in the public interest, it may be appropriate to do so as Justice Department policies recognize. This is one of those circumstances.

I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.

Because it is an open ongoing investigation and is classified, I cannot say more about what we are doing and whose conduct we are examining. At the request of congressional leaders, we have taken the extraordinary step in coordination with the Department of Justice of briefing this Congress' leaders, including the leaders of this committee, in a classified setting in detail about the investigation but I can't go into those details here. I know that is extremely frustrating to some folks. I hope you and the American people can understand. The FBI is very careful in how we handle information about our cases and about the people we are investigating.

We are also very careful about the way we handle information that may be of interest to our foreign adversaries. Both of those interests are at issue in a counterintelligence investigation. Please don't draw any conclusions from the fact that I may not be able to comment on certain topics. I know speculating is part of human nature, but it really isn't fair to draw conclusions simply because I say that I can't comment.



Long story short;

Whats up?
Can't say


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 05:22 AM

ABC (Alex-Jones Brietbart Conspiracies)

Just in...

Trump Tweet; Obama Saran-Wrapped White House toilets! "sad, disgusting and McCarthyesque".

__________________________


Ake is either having a go at you all or is more hypnotized than he realized by the Alt Right Alt-Sites.

Just like the BS artist Trump, it is a little bit of both.

If Ake is addicted to the Alt right news sites, he will be unable to not access them for 4o days. If that is the case he is lost to his own opinion. His mind is not his own any longer. Sympathize.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 12:16 PM

With the current rejectsion of his accusations that British security haved into the election campaign, it gets more and more difficulty to understand why Trum has involved himself in politics - he is crudely bad at when he has chosen to do.
Maybe we're misjudging him - perhaps he looks on it as a business venture and is using the kudos his position brings to further his business ends.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 01:01 PM

Rep. Adam Schiff's opening statements during the open hearing of the House Intelligence Committee's investigation of the Russian interference in our elections


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 03:35 PM

he is crudely bad at when he has chosen to do.

Actually, he's been crudely bad at everything he's chosen to do his entire life - multiple bankruptcies, stiffing creditors, running ponzi schemes and fake universities & on & on.....


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 04:03 PM

Jeri you don't read the thread either?


Trump is a surprisingly bad liar but you know what they say.
Its not a lie if you appear to believe it.

the new religion:

OBEY THE DONALD
BELIEVE THE BANNON wants to deconstruct democracy
TRUST THE RUSSIANS
and
BUY IVANKA

what a world


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 04:48 PM

Sorry, Don. I did see it, but I prefer people actually speaking a speech. Audible vs visual. I figured folks might like to hear it for themselves, but yours is right there for folks who'd rather read it.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 05:22 PM

You are correct SIR

I hear better than I read.

I imagine better than I hear.

my latest cartoon- "Zeke, it looks like Republicans hitched all their horses to Trump's wagon" "Yup, jus needs a push"
(The wagon says health care and has square wheels)


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 05:42 PM

Well there you are, no evidence of any link between The President DJ and Russia.   How long has this "investigation" been going on?

I would have voted Trump against Clinton any day and it looks like the American people thought the same, although Clinton got slightly more votes a huge number of people had lost confidence or interest in the whole charade.....and most of these people would be most unlikely to vote for an establishment figure in any circumstances.

If they were to be persuaded it would be by the "populist".

I am extremely disappointed in the attitude of the Americans here regarding the democratic process, I though you were a positive people who believed in fairness, so much better than we UKers...seems I was wrong and the American "elite" are just a carbon copy of our own, whining, childish ideological bad losers.....:0(


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 05:51 PM

You're the bad loser. You screwed up here and now you're bitter. Americans, I humbly offer my sincere apologies for this person's continuing ignorance and imbecility. I am, of course, mortally embarrassed that he lives on the same tectonic plate as I do. Same plate, though, paradoxically, a different planet.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 06:07 PM

A man by the name of Steele from the UK gave the US a dossier regarding Trump that makes many links to Russia and Trump.
So far they check out -except for the golden showers. And I don't mean gold fixtures.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 10:06 PM

Rachel Maddow had a blockbuster expose' on the Russian Trump connection regarding Russian Info War publications and FBI investigation into the role that Russian Info war bots played in the election. Fascinating.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:38 AM

Apparently not only "Americans": I give you Ake.....


"Americans have reached a point where ignorance, especially of anything related to public policy, is an actual virtue," the scholar Tom Nichols writes in his timely new book, "The Death of Expertise." "To reject the advice of experts is to assert autonomy, a way for Americans to insulate their increasingly fragile egos from ever being told they're wrong about anything. It is a new Declaration of Independence: No longer do we hold these truths to be self-evident, we hold all truths to be self-evident, even the ones that aren't true. All things are knowable and every opinion on any subject is as good as any other."


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 11:43 AM

Where are you from Greg?


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 01:14 PM

From reason and reality, Professor.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Helen
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 01:33 PM

Hi all,

I've been keeping up to date on the latest factual information on DJ Trump (that means you won't be interested in this, ake) written by Paul McGeough

See a list of articles by Paul McGeough

As you can see, the investigation into the links with Russia has now been announced, but no conclusions have yet been reached, so ake's statements in the original post of this thread on 20 Mar 17 - 08:17 AM "Well my goodness, it really was all fake news...surprise surprise!" and on 21 Mar 17 - 05:42 PM "Well there you are, no evidence of any link between The President DJ and Russia" are pre-emptive, i.e. jumping the gun, trying to create an illusion of an outcome with no facts to back up his statements because the outcome is still unknown. What a surprise, ake.

If you keep saying it over and over and over again, it must be true, eh? What Greg F said: 22 Mar 17 - 09:38 AM

Helen


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 07:55 PM

Actually the idea of Trump being tied up with Russia is the only bright spark in the Trump presidency. It makes the danger of a blow-up with Russia and a war seem less likely.

If Trump was actively hostile to Russia, that would be a lot more terrifying.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 08:07 PM

Only problem with that analysis, Kevin, is that you assume that Trump is mentally stable, consistent, reliable, and a man of his word. He could, and would, turn on Russia in a New York nanosecond. Stay tuned for his nex twat.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 08:40 PM

If I lived in Europe I'd be very concerned over Twit's ties to Putin and his disdainful attitude toward NATO.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:00 PM

Hell, I don't live in Europe and I'M very concerned.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:08 PM

Now that Mannifort is known to have taken 10 million bucks a year from Putin's best friend billionaire to rig the American election and aid Russia, this is when Ake must stop watching the news, fake or otherwise.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:55 PM

And that's the worry, Greg. The man is an unpredictable nut. So I'm rather hoping the Kremlin has the rumoured sex tapes of Trump to keep him on side, rather on just relying on his business interests.

If he should join in with the chorus of Russiaphobes we're getting from all around, and start hyping it up Trump style, God help us.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 04:36 AM

I tried posting something and it got hacked (probably by Serge from the FSB)

Twitler is firing so many volleys in all directions, including some "you too" lies.

So where do his detractors go to fight the mess?

It is a classic divide and conquer stratagem. Brutal, blitzkrieg, and ....................

History repeats itself. Yea, yea, it is different, but so much is the same! Which is why history has to repeat itself. Till we get it right!


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:18 AM

The fight is being managed by House and Senate Democrats in slow motion. The full story of assisting Russia hacks and info info war bots has been introduced first. The Next phase are the number of Trump surrogates directly involved. The third scandal of Trump trading an oil deal for assisting Russia will be the full trifecta.

This I have outlined in detail months ago. The Congressional investigation committee must go to a special prosecutor. If this fails we are in deep trouble but not defeated by the clear and present domestic enemies.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:06 AM

Like Ake I too am disappointed in Americans like Bannon (Chief President advisor) who has vowed to deconstruct government and democracy.

Have you noticed that fearless leader has gained 30 lbs?


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: bobad
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:59 AM

Russiaphobes

Good grief!


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:13 AM

This is germaine to the discussion:

Lincoln was a Republican, slavery is bad — and more discoveries by President Obvious
By Dana Milbank
March 22, 2017 at 5:01 PM

Seeking and winning the presidency has been a magical voyage of discovery for Donald Trump.

Tuesday night, he divulged a most remarkable finding: Abraham Lincoln was — are you sitting down for this? — a Republican.

"Most people don't even know he was a Republican," Trump told a group of Republicans.

Trump's discoveries of seemingly obvious things raise two possibilities: 1) He thinks people are awfully stupid, or 2) he is discovering for himself things the rest of us already knew. Which is true? Nobody knows.


Or 3): he's just an ignorant fucki*g moron.

whole article HERE and worth reading.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:41 AM

hey Donnie, its called the party of Lincoln.
"Really, well a lot of people don't know about Fredrick Douglas making a comeback either."

______________________________________________

Russiaphobes?

I am not afraid of Russians. Russians are afraid of Russia.
Especially Putin dissidents.

What does that say of Americans afraid of Trump.


Russia has a history of going BIG.
An unfortunate example of their weaponry is that their nuclear weapons of 1100 megatons or more are so powerful there is no place on Earth hey can be tested. For their cold war number two punch after a 1st strike, they had stock piled over 100 ton of weaponized smallpox virus to be delivered to kill survivors.

They now spend more military money on tactical Info war.
They went big on America media but many people think it was Real news and not intentionally fake. As a hypnotist I admit they made a great weapon.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:44 AM

Russiaphobes

Good grief!


Nothing wrong with that term. There's a lot of it about, and has been since Victorian times, at least. It doesn't really have much to do with politics either. Regardless of what kind of regime is in charge - Tsarist, Stalinist, Putinist or what-have-you - Russia is always the big bogy-bear threatening to eat us all up.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:44 AM

edit: 100 megatons and more...


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:46 AM

the thing is - one thing i've noticed.

when someone gets elected and called Mr President - however strange the holder of the office, Americans do tend to respect them.
Far more than we respect a Prime Minister, or even the monarch.

even if they prove Trump has a brain implant arranged by the prince of darkness, most yanks will regard the office with respect.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:52 AM

I didn't know Ozzie Osbourne did brain implants. I think the USA would be better off with him though...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:54 AM

Satan implants or Satanplants as we commonly call them, are making it hard to distinguish the bad guys from the evil guys.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:57 AM

CNN report: US officials: Info suggests Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians.

So, it again begs Schumer's question: Why are we vetting a Supreme Court candidate during an investigation of the Presidency? The kind of investigation that will result in his impeachment. He isn't going to be in office much longer.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 09:10 AM

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at Big AL but I'll wager that a majority of Americans, myself included, have more respect for the office than Twitler.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: bobad
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 09:12 AM

Russia is always the big bogy-bear threatening to eat us all up.

Ask the people about that big bogy-bear in Hungary,Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Austria, Poland, the Baltic States, Finland etc, etc, - Russiaphobes all I'm sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 10:08 AM

i'm not getting at anything - i just think that the way Americans revere the office of President will probably see Trump through - however crazy things get.

Because frankly things are pretty crazy already.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 10:40 AM

No, Al. The office is worthy of respect. Trump isn't. And when you say "the yanks", I'm assuming you know more of them than I do, because the ones at Mudcat (where British people talk about American politics) don't fit your statement, and many of the ones NOT on Mudcat and who voted for the other candidate don't either.

I suspect, like pretty much all of us, it can be easy to form opinions based on what some talking head on the TV concludes and spreads. If you only watch Fox, you get a very different picture than if you watch MSNBC or NPR, and if you get your news from some other source who uses one or more of those channels as their source, who knows. If you get it from the internet, you only get information from sources you choose to click on, and you won't get anything that challenges your beliefs.

Just saying don't trust any one source, and question what your opinions are based on.

Watch Live: House hearing on Russia's involvement in the 2016 election (on NPR)


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 10:54 AM

The office is worthy of respect.

I've never been quite sure how that is supposed to work out as a practical matter particularly when, as now, the incumbent is a piece of dirt.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 11:06 AM

Americans' reverence for the office didn't save Nixon, whose criminal activities were far less overt than Twit's have been throughout his public life, in fact, it's likely their respect for that office hastened his downfall.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 11:15 AM

The "piece of dirt" is filling a position he shouldn't be in. Not too hard for me to figure that out.

I was active duty military for a long time. The President is Commander in Chief, and ... let's just say if I were in now, I'd probably end up being Court Martialed. Hard enough with GWB, but the stupid people who thought he'd be a good President maybe didn't think that the western version of the insane Kim Jong-un was going to be able to order their children to go die and kill other people's children for insulting him.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 12:56 PM

we'll have to see, i suppose. its just a feeling i've got about the situation.

i seem to remember people saying about Reagan - how can a person so old and confused be the president?

then bush - how can someone so ignorant be the president?

they not only were the president. they got re-elected.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 03:06 PM

[Reagan] How can a person so old and confused be the president?...
then bush - how can someone so ignorant be the president? ,/I>


Easy peasy! - uneducated, ignorant, unable to discern fact from fiction electorate.

Then as now.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:00 PM

uneducated, ignorant, unable to discern fact from fiction

Which is where the opening post came in! :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Good Soldier Schweik
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:33 PM

Trump is a boring old fart


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Stanron
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:10 PM

Good Soldier Schweik wrote: Trump is a boring old fart
Best judgement so far.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:46 PM

Boring he is not. He is known for being profane and hyper excited over minor incidents.

Donald threw a tantrum on Air Force that caused Secret Service to draw their guns. Donald had banned Mexican food on Air Force One that put a crimp on the Planes menu. Twice he had steak for lunch and then once again the choice was fish or steak during his flight to Wisconsin.

He complained and was told that steak was replacing enchiladas and he blew up feeling he was being blamed. He shouted " I am tired of these motherfuckin steaks on this motherfuckin plane!"
Secret service thought they heard the word snakes and drew their guns... ;^)

since then people say he is a lot like Jackson, Samuel Jackson.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 03:17 AM

Just after the President was elected, one of our foremost "liberals" suggested that "We just drive him out of his mind"....By this the "liberal" meant that every obstruction possible including disruption of the political system through obstructive campaigns like flooding the postal services with junk mail...this before the President had a chance to put any of the policies that he had promised the electorate into place.

This sort of action makes a mockery of the democratic process
and the sore losers who practice it are a disgrace.

For once in my lifetime an elected leader is trying to implement the policies on which he was elected and he is greeted with derision by a small but powerful "elite" backed by a corrupt and biased media.
Sometimes I wonder if any members of this "elite" like most of the people who post here, know or care a fig about the millions who for one millisecond, have found a voice, a conduit in President Donal-
John.
This same "elite" that can be observed foaming at the mouth in numerous threads here, have no respect for their fellow countrymen, they openly insult their intelligence, they look down on their lack of "liberalism" or academic ability, they hate their brothers and sisters for daring to reject their ideology of myth, an ideology which has sapped the strength from a once great nation and left in its stead a whining, childish cabal refusing to accept responsibility even for the loss of a completely legal democratic election.

I used to have the idea that the American people could be the saviours of humanity, what I supposed to be their endless optimism, their belief in democracy, their respect for high political office has proved to have been a sham.....they are simply just like us, spoiled children raised in a time when no sacrifices were required provided we were enrolled into the academic elite and born on the right side of the tracks.....manual labour has become a dirty joke, a sign of mental deficiency, but don't forget what happened the last time the tumbril wheels rumbled, the "elite" political and social should keep an ear to the ground.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 03:39 AM

I think a village somewhere is missing its idiot...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 04:07 AM

Say what you will, at least Reagan had Nancy to compare notes with.
And wasn't Dubya's wife a Democrat?

With Melania in NY, all Twitler has is Putin.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 05:52 AM

TED talk: Who would the rest of the world vote for in your country's elections
An interesting set of results. (DJT in third place!). And it doesn't hint at any Russian votes finding their way in! Give it time.........


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 10:23 AM

every obstruction possible including disruption of the political system through obstructive campaigns

Rather like what the Republicans did to Obama every minute of his presidency, Ake?

Does anyone know of a village that is actively recruiting for an idiot? We might be able to help them find one.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 11:08 AM

It is the job of a political opposition to hold the Government to account, disruptive campaigns by sore losers is a different matter altogether.

Whether or not you volunteer your services for the post in question is entirely up to you Greg......but try to avoid the California or New York areas.....too much competition. :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 11:45 AM

We are truly living in a time of ferment. And fermentation often does not smell good. Trump has been accurately identified as a BS artist. I've thought so since well before his election. Fareed Zakariah on his GPS show made the exact same observations as I had using the philosophical paper published by Frankfurt: "On Bullshit". One of the most explicable points being made that the bullshitter has a more flexible relationship with "truth' than the liar.
My concerns with our situation go far beyond the mere office of the Presidency. For many years now the Republicans have had a flexible relationship with external reality. I remember two elections ago during a Republican primary debate when the moderator asked them how many believed in Creationism and all of them raised their hands. Whether or not that was a gesture of genuine belief or more likely a kowtowing to their bases, it was to me a genuinely scary sign of the state of our country.
It IS a sign, however, that we are democratically sourcing the rather pitiful assemblage of Republican deplorables who are doing their best to turn the clock of progress back on itself.
Meanwhile, Russia's effort at democracy is foundering badly in nationalism and violence, both inwardly and outwardly. It is entirely appropriate to identify the extent of Putin's reach across the globe. A lot of it is simply vicious and damaging, as if he is simply trying to see how big a bastard he can be.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 12:29 PM

disruptive campaigns by sore losers is a different matter altogethe

Suggest you take that up with the Republicans in the House and Senate from 2008 through 2016 Ake.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 12:43 PM

"It is the job of a political opposition to hold the Government to account,"
It would appear that, thanks to the opposition of his own party to his health programme, the republicans have taken on that task
Your snide remarks do you no credit Ake
This man has become a menace to his own party.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 01:12 PM

Y"Foaming at the mouth"

Not just "the liberal elite", aken. You can foam with the best yourself...

Those attacking Trump include some shady cold warriors and over privileged characters, but it's pretty well inevitable that when there's a majority consensus against him that will include all sorts. Yes, "majority consensus", even in the States. - remember a lot more people voted against Trump than for him, and opinion polls showing overwhelming opposition to his heallthcare "reform" plan would seem to indicate that a lot of those who voted for him must be feeling they got it wrong by now.

And outside the States about the only other people who seem to admire Trump are. Nigel Farage, Katiie Hopkins. (No, not Putin - I think it can be taken as read that he thoroughly despises Donald Trump, and would class him in that hallowed Kremlin category of "useful idiots")

There's an odd development sometimes in which, when people have been driven to make a choice between two evils, they can seem to drift into changing to cease to recognise as evil the choice they picked on as the lesser evil, and from tolerating it drift into becoming enthused by it. It's a kind of Stockholm syndrome, in which people fall in love with their captors.


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