BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 04:15 PM

Traitors are scum at any price. Whistle blowers pay for their integrity.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 12:54 PM

It looks like the Turkish government paid Flynn ten times as much as the Russians, and didn't get much for it:

Proposal to snatch Gülen

Erdoğan was probably too stupid to research the market rate in American officials properly.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 11:45 AM

Bannon ousted from National Security Council.

Perhaps a result from Gen. McMaster's insistence

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Apr 17 - 10:35 AM

In prior financial disclosures Flynn failed to include payments from Russia to spread fake stories from Russian intelligence. He has since amended his financial statements.

Flynn was bought off cheap. $45,000 for a speech in Russia praising Putin.
Also 5 figure payments for services he performed while in America. Manifort (ran Trump Campaign) got 10 million a year from Russia for at least 3 years.

This is only what is proven and admitted so far.

Was Trump himself paid? We have not proven that yet. However there is a ton of circumstantial evidence. We believe we know how he was paid.
We believe he was paid by being the leading figure in a consortium to invest in buying 19% of the only Russian Oil Company which would open 63 million sq. miles of drilling rights to Exxon - only if sanctions re dropped ginst Russia..

In comparison Exxon has the oil drilling rights in the USA of 14 million miles.

Trump is an opportunist who will take money from anyone. Russian oligarchs are a mixture of crime bosses, oil company, money laundering organizations and government officials. We know Donald has a huge debt to known money laundering Banks in Germany and Cyprus.

A tax return may be a short cut to prosecution for Donald but there are other ways.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: bobad
Date: 02 Apr 17 - 09:21 AM

Trumputin.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Apr 17 - 09:16 AM

Trumpovski!

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Apr 17 - 10:55 AM

Most likely "or something".

Flynn is a conspiracy theory fanatic and all-around lunatic, with a tenuous grasp on reality.


Rather like Twitler, his cabinet & advisors...

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: meself
Date: 01 Apr 17 - 10:31 AM

Flynn seems to be playing some kind of game. From what I gather, the usual approach is to negotiate immunity behind closed doors: "here's what I can give you if you give me immunity - deal?" He's putting on a show for somebody, or making a public threat, or something ....

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Hrothgar
Date: 01 Apr 17 - 06:43 AM

From a mildly educated foreign point of view, it is all very interesting.

As far as I can see, Flynn's evidence might be critical to any action against Trump.

If the committees in the US Congress are similar to Australia's, the Republicans will have a majority on the House Intelligence Committee because they have a majority in the House.

If they refuse to grant Flynn an immunity against prosecution, he will "take the Fifth" (I think that is the quaint American expression) and refuse to answer any questions (including what his name is). This might shoot the whole inquiry down in flames. However, if enough Republicans dislike Trump, they might vote with the opposition and give him immunity.

This will be further confused if the opposition Democrats decide they want Flynn's scalp and refuse to give him immunity.

Whatever happens with Flynn, if the inquiry does come up with enough to impeach Trump, the impeachment still has to be voted on, and needs quite a few Republicans to vote against a Republican President to succeed.

... and then, you have President Pence.

Best of luck, fellers ...

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 06:37 PM

will President Pence be a significant improvement?


No.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 04:45 PM

If Trump gets impeached and removed from office, will President Pence be a significant improvement?

Wouldn't he be likely to have a tame and loyal Congess helping put through legislation which would be essentially the same as Trump, but without stirring up the same degree of opposition and resistance?

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 01:30 PM

Now give Flynn a break - he was convinced that Hillary was running a child pornography ring out of a pizza parlor.

And the rest of Twitler's cabinet/advisors are even less bright.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: bobad
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 12:19 PM

"When you are given immunity, that means that you have probably committed a crime." – Michael Flynn on Hillary Clinton in September.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 06:06 AM

"Its Black Hack Friday.
Its like listening to the WATERGATE tapes live.

Trump is still alive and supporting Putin."

Donald 'Hackman"

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 06:00 AM

Its Friday and this was the day to let all hell break out with testimony from the former acting attorney General and naming up to 19 Americans who are linked to Russian hack attacks. The hack attack is effecting virtually all Washington politicians. Too bad the White House told Congress to disinvite the former AG, so she will not be heard. The truth is so hyperbolic now it is embarrassing to write about this lack hack Friday. Everything is so balled up that people under investigation are being leaked internal FBI reports including the President.

How brazen is the hacking? I have seen C-Span hacked by Russia on live TV.


Flynn is facing many charges including conspiracy to omit kidnapping so he wants some immunity. He may not get any. He pissed off a former CIA director Woolsey by trying to involve him. Some say he was a lobbyist to Turkey but the legal name for it is SA. He registered as a secret agent for Turkey just recently


McGrath , the FBI in general was angry with Clinton and Sanders over the peril law officers felt being placed in peril by perceived Democratic policy. many agents were for the law and order candidate Trump
Comey was walking an internal tightrope.

Did Comey get played? sure But he relies on the rule of the law in extraordinary situations in the past and will again.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 03:37 AM

Nothing to add to my last post. We'll see how these various investigations go.

I suppose Flynn has changed his chant to "Please Don't Lock Me Up!"

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Mar 17 - 08:43 PM

But were the leaks put out by Wikileaks about the DNC false in any way, or just inconvenient? Can there be any doubt that the DNC very much preferred Clinton to Sanders, and did what it could to get the primary results that helped ensure Clinton was the candidate?

So far as I have read, the distortions and spinning, and the fabrications were very much home produced. The Russians may have supplied some of the tinder, but it was Americans who piled it high round Clinton and set it ablaze. I've seen no indications that material eminating from allegedly Russian hackers was forged

Perhaps the biggest single and most crucial bit of fake news was the con pulled by the FBI ten days before the election, when they issued a scare story about "freshly available" Clinton emails, with an implication that they wre horrendously incriminating - when in fact they do not appear to have been either freshly available nor incriminating. And neither the Russians nor Wikileaks (hardly the same thing) had anything whatsoever to do with that - and arguably it put Trump in the White House.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: bobad
Date: 30 Mar 17 - 07:31 PM

Getting interesting:

According to a report in The Wall Street Journal, Mike Flynn, the former national security adviser for President Donald Trump, has informed the FBI and the House and Senate intelligence committees that he is willing to be interviewed in exchange for immunity from prosecution. Flynn was privvy to information about foreign policy deliberations and was involved in the discussions around possibly lifting Russian sanctions imposed by the Obama administration. Flynn was forced to resign after acknowledging he misled White House officials including Vice President Mike Pence about the topic of his phone conversations with the Russian ambassador during the transition period.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 30 Mar 17 - 08:51 AM

To me, as a U.S. voter, Russian meddling in our elections is a very big deal. The stuff from Wikileaks regarding the DNC's preference for Clinton over Sanders no doubt alienated a number of Sander's supporters and caused them to vote a 3rd party ticket or stay home. The biggest deciding factor in the very close election (aside from a 30 year smear job the GOP conducted against HRC when they recognized her as a potential political force) was the poor turnout by Democratic voters because T***p won with a small, admittedly enthusiastic, minority of the U.S. population. It's also highly likely that Russia hacked the RNC and T***p campaign (which incidentally could make the current administration vulnerable to blackmail by Putin) and could have dumped a lot of damaging info on them as well but chose not to as it would be counter to their goal of electing Twit or at least crippling a Clinton administration, I can imagine Reince Preibus pulling his hair out over Republican voter's preference for Twit over their chosen son, Jeb Bush. If the current administration colluded in any way we've got to know because our voting rights have been vitiated too much already by restrictive voting laws imposed by Republican state houses and legislatures. This isn't about getting at Twitler, I'm convinced his greed and mendacity will sort him eventually, it's about preserving the only method, along with exercising our 1st amendment rights, we common folk have to influence the course of our nation. The ongoing investigations may lead to nothing but considering all the smokescreens and lying emanating from the White House I'm convinced they've got something to hide.

As for Putin, I think it would be hard to make the argument that in recent years his Russia is not the most hegemonistic and aggressive power on the world stage.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: bobad
Date: 30 Mar 17 - 07:51 AM

CBS Evening News‏Verified account @CBSEveningNews

Intel chairman says Russia hired more than 1000 hackers to create fake, anti-Clinton news in key states, won by Trump. @jeffpeguescbs, now

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 11:21 PM

Russia in Afghanistan, Russia in Ukraine, Russia in Syria

And right now Russia in Russia. Way ahead is a little over-hyped.

America in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.   Russia's Afghanistan involvement is quite some time back, when it was the USSR. And if you count that you have to add in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Chile, Panama, Granada, Nicaragua and a double count of Iraq on the American side of the scale. Way ahead seems fair to me.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 09:48 PM

At least since the end of World War II the USA has energetically been acting in seeking to affect the vote and its iutcome in country after country - even to the extent of successfully reversing the outcome of elections where the wrong people were elected.

So far as I can see the interference allegedly carried out by the Russians amounts to nothing more than revealing the actual texts of emails sent by some people in the USA which they would sooner not have been revealed. Big deal.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 04:53 PM

Donuel, note that while American's attitudes had grown more positive towards Putin (well, Republican attitudes had) after the election, in the most recent Gallup Poll released on Feb.21 his disapproval rating is still 72 per cent with an approval rating of 13 per cent. I'm in the strange position of agreeing with Uber-Hawk (and Twitler supporter) Cheney when he asserted that the Russian hacking of the election may have been an "act of war". It would be political suicide for just about any Senator or Rep. to be seen cozying up to Putin at this point.

Re the House Intel committee, it appears that chairman Nunes, former member of the Trump transition team, has brought the investigation to a screeching halt, most likely at the behest of Twit himself.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Mr Red
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 04:32 PM

let me see, Russia in Afghanistan, Russia in Ukraine, Russia in Syria

And right now Russia in Russia. Way ahead is a little over-hyped. And what were they doing in those countries that differs from the second Iraq war? the difference is whether you are buying or selling oil.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 01:09 PM

gillymor, good to hear from you. From my perspective with the exception of McCain, Connolly and Lindsey Graham the rest of the Republicans and mad hatter Tea Party seem willing to risk treasonous association with the Russian colluding Trumpists. Once they are called out they claim they know nothing about so and so, or that they didn't know the rules.

Some of the house members who are taking the risk, before they take the 5th, are Nunes, Scalise, Coats, Ryan and over a hundred others.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 07:59 AM

I left out the second investigation which was by request of Trump into the question "who told?" and the wire tapping allegation and is that legal/proper.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 07:57 AM

Yes, McGrath, Putin's been a real pussycat on the global stage. One of the good residuals about the ongoing investigations of the current administration's ties to Russia is that it ensures we won't be forming   any sort of alliance with the murderous thug. Not that the Senate and House and American people would have allowed it any way.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 06:29 AM

After successful investigations, the main issue will finally be up for review which is beyond election interference. It is if the sale of Russian oil interests was made to Trump in payment for US policy change toward Russia.

This is the final nail in the Donald coffin.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 06:23 AM

Mr. Red, the point is collusion with another country to campaign for a candidate. That is against FEC laws/regulations and possibly the Constitution.

It is up to the courts to determine if collusion amounts to treason.

investigations and testimony are blocked daily by the White House and former Trump surrogates now installed in strategic positions.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 05:45 AM

He "gets credit" from me.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Mar 17 - 02:41 AM

Well said Mr McGrath, but you will get little credit here.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Mar 17 - 08:03 PM

Litvinenko would be about being ruthless and brutal. Being aggressive is about waging wars in foreign countries. In recent years, America is way ahead of Russia in that department.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Mr Red
Date: 28 Mar 17 - 06:26 AM

All nations put out pro-self propaganda.
Some nations have the resources and nouse to spread it via many social channels.
Just between Russia and the USA - which country delivers a shock result in elections?
Implication is: which country is the most aggressive and effective in influencing the respective results.
Not a conclusion, but a good place to put the priorities when looking for evidence. eg
Agressive? Ask Mr Litvinenko - er his widow perhaps.
Snowden might know, but could he tell you and live?

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 11:31 PM

My favorite act is the dog and pony show they're running with Devin Nunes.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 09:24 PM

The circus is ood.
Also this week's 60 minutes show was about how Russia employs cyber info wars and how big it is.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 08:32 PM

Just watched 'The Circus that is The White House.
Best unintentional satire I've ever seen
They can-not be serious!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 02:59 PM

The ironic thing could be that the only aspect of Trump that has a smidgeon of sanity, whatever its basis (bent economics or blackmail?), his resistance to the paranoia about Russia, is the one that is most likely to bring him down.

The regime in Russia isn't a pleasant one, but the only people who can make it better are the Russians, and the more foreigners fulminate against Putin, and go in for stuff like miltary manoeuvres on his borders, the more Russians are going to support him, and the greater the danger is that he's going to do dangerous stuff on those borders.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 02:05 PM

Bit weird that, Donuel...

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 01:43 PM

Stu, your reporter is a bit late to the party but the Russian info war attacks are real and effective.

I saw the effects on Google yesterday while viewing the top 10 results for the Marshall plan.
4 results were that it was Russia, not America that rebuilt Europe.

Battles are building.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 01:33 PM

Steve, stop acting like a pathetic juvenile who thinks he owns the ball. Or should I blame your early school system? This is not the power or abuse you seek.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 12:48 PM

Well said, Al.

Akenaton, as you now seem to hate us all so much (well, not all, admittedly - there are a couple of other nutters...), why don't you just leave and never come back?








Please???

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 12:45 PM

Keith, Terribus.....are you sure history is really your thing?

The more pertinent question is: "Is reality your thing?" - the question, of course, being rhetorical.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Stu
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 12:28 PM

Interesting discussion on Radio 4 this morning about the hacker threat to the UK from Russia, which has been targeting a broad range of institutions. Putin must be laughing his cock off as the Brexiteers, their right-wing buddies in Europe and the Trumpers dance to his tune, undoing years of progessive policy and him not having to fire a shot (except in the Ukraine).

He's destabilising Europe and trying the same in the US and yet him and his shills are defended by the turkeys who voted for Christmas. Amazing.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 12:08 PM

In gaining the U.S. Presidency it looks like the old huckster bit off more than he could chew. At least he's consistent though, when a deal went south for him in the private sector he deflected the blame and tried to leave someone else holding the bag as he did with the AHCA fiasco.
Whatever happened to "The buck stops here!"? Good thing HST isn't around to see this Whiner-in Chief.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 10:50 AM

Keith, Terribus.....

are you sure history is really your thing?

I can't help thinking insectology and microbiology might be a better option.

You see , despite your very determined efforts (credit where its due) - you seem to always find yourselves in the position of being a flat earther.

THe land campaigns of the first world war were conducted by military geniuses, who cared deeply about the thousands of casualties. THe English government cared not a fig for retaining Ireland as part of the kingdom.
no doubt you've got evidence to prove cutting Anne Boleyn's head off was an accident with a potato peeler.

earwigs....study them! its your last hope!!

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 10:45 AM

For Fuck sake Gilly!! the mask slipped off the Democratic Party in front of the whole wide world and you want to sweep it under the carpet? You thoroughly deserve the administration you received...in fact you don't even deserve that, you are an outright phoney.

Don asks why I put liberal in quotation marks, it is to signify that people like you Acme and most of this forum are liberal in name only

You cannot bring yourself even to accept the result of an election basically run on your terms, you never in your wildest nightmare imagined that the Electoral college would turn against Clinton, it was your ace in the hole!

Well suck it up children and next time think before you vote.

As far as Donal-John is concerned he has tried to implement his declared policies which are being sabotaged by the Republican establishment.......they, like you "liberals", would have preferred Clinton.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 09:57 AM

Donuel, I'm not arguing that Bernie won't run again (or that Clinton won't, for that matter). The spotlight now is on Donal-Jerk and his obvious hypocrisy ("everyone's gonna be covered. it'll be beautiful") and incompetence as POTUS.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 09:43 AM

Jim, despotic mad man is a bridge too far. Dowd may understate the facts by calling him a belligerent conspiratorial who only thinks h knows 'stuff' surrounded by sycophantic children, but understatements are classy. I remember your four letter word descriptions. Bannon fits the despotic madman best. He actually 'ordered' Congress how to vote.

The keyword in Dowd's column about Trump I believe is "sucker".

Contrary to stated opinions I think Sanders who would be 78 in 2020 could indeed run again, a bit slower next time.

PS Ake the word liberal does not need quotation marks unless it is a quote. Who are you quoting?

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 08:42 AM

"I find it truly amazing that "liberals" would dream of supporting someone who advocated a return to a Cold War stance against Russia"£
This is utter nonsense from someone who supports a president who would offend Muslim countries by labeling them suspect terrorists
"Free Russia" has become the despotic terrorist State that the Soveit Union was accused of being.
Has the USSR behaves as Putin's Russia is behaving it would have been the target of worldwide abuse, Amarica and Poodle Britain's being loudest voice.
Now it is part of "the Free World", appeasement is the order of the day.
Trump is a dangerous liability both nationally and internationally; even his own party is realising what a liability he is, and he is going to war with them.
Trump is a despotic madman - but he can rest easy in the knowledge that he still has the support of, The Klan, Ann Coulter
Ake and Nigel Farage to fall back on when all else fails
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 27 Mar 17 - 07:45 AM

Clinton and Sanders are now out out of the presidential picture, in the wake of the recent flameout of the draconian, Trump-backed AHCA the real buyer's remorse is being felt by Democrats and Independents and probably by more than a few of his beloved "uneducated" (whom he recently attempted to wrest healthcare from while giving a massive tax cut to the wealthy) who voted for Donal-Jerk if you look at his plummeting numbers. He's on track to become the worst president in recent memory and possibly in our history if he doesn't shake up his (dis)organization soon. It seems that this commentator had a precognition about Twit's ability as a political negotiator.

Maureen Dowd sent a letter to Twit the other day in the N.Y. Times