BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Apr 17 - 08:40 PM

I was very impressed by the way Gina Miller, who prevailed against control-freak Theresa May in the Supreme Court, acquitted herself against the bullying Andrew Neil on This Week earlier this evening. She's hardly my kind of leftie but she emerged from his onslaught with smiling and serene dignity and made him look like the bitter, right-wing, bad-tempered buffoon that he truly is. He tried to treat her like a bog-standard party apparatchik and she cut right through it. Good for her, say I.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 02:56 PM

Who the f*** was a team leader.

I have said on many, many occasions the "team" you believe exists is a figment of your imagination.

I admit to knowing Dave, we have met on a few occasions, I'll accept that I have enjoyed his company.

I have met Steve once, and again I enjoyed his company.

Jim I have never met, nor any of the other people you presume are in a "gang"

You really should grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 02:55 PM

WTF are you on about, ake? Been listening to your 'team leader' Trump and coming up with alternative truth again?

Oh - Four nun dead!

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 11:57 AM

They've never really regained their equilibrium since the sad passing of their "team leaders" Teribus!

The odds of 5 to 2 seems very unfair...they really come into bloom at about 10 to 1......the 1 being very important to these guys...they just love equality.....:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 11:42 AM

Examples of squealing then please Teribus or are we to take it that this statement is yet another feeble attempt to divert attention from your cock up?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 09:38 AM

Nothing better than a biter bit Gnome, you and your pals have been engaged in it for years - yet you squeal like stuck pigs when the same treatment is doled out to you - Enjoy.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 07:08 AM

"I'm replying to this on the Labour thread right now. Zoom zoom..."
So should we all
Sorry Stu - I tried to stop it then got sucked in
Unforgivable
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 07:00 AM

So, Teribus, you will happily admit that you will tar everyone in a particular Mudcat demographic with the same brush regardless of whether they were involved in whatever you were talking about or not. I suppose that Mudcat is a microcosm of the outside world and you and your ilk will also happily tar whole sections of the human race based on the actions of a few. Thank you for providing further evidence of how your mind works. Not that we really needed any more.

As to spluttering indignation well, no spluttering here, I leave that to you. Yes, maybe indignant could work but you have just confirmed that is was righteously so, well done :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 06:45 AM

With regard to acceptance of the officially adopted definition of anti-Semitism - YES Gnome I did. I tend to include the entire "pack" so as none of you feel left out of anything. Love to see you spluttering with indignation.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 05:57 AM

Sorry Gnome didn't know that you could not read or understand plain English.

Of course I can, Teribus. It seems to be you having difficulties with comprehension. Did you or did you not bring me into the argument by stating "Exists now in law. Shaw's, Raggy's Gnome's, Greg F's or indeed anyone else's opinions are irrelevant."

A simple yes or no will do.

DtG

(Sorry to use bold to highlight something but it seems that is what some people need :-) )

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 05:15 AM

I'm replying to this on the Labour thread right now. Zoom zoom...

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Stu
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 04:49 AM

Pathetic. Another thread ruined. This behaviour is ruining the BS section.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 04:35 AM

"I pointed out that courtesy"
Then you and not Dave did introduce it into the discussion - apology accepted
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 04:33 PM

Sorry Gnome didn't know that you could not read or understand plain English.

Some thought Spicer should resign, lose his job. I pointed out that courtesy of Shami Chakrabarti if he were a member of the Labour Party all he would have to do was offer a simple apology, admit his error and then he could continue his career as if nothing had happened.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 03:36 PM

Still no explanation as to why you brought it up on this thread or why you brought me into it then, Teribus? Thought not.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 03:03 PM

"Fortunately Jom that is not how the law works,"
Fortunately my little Seig heiler, that is not how language works
No law-making body has a right to redefine a word that has been long established (despite the fact that it was discriminatery from its inception in 1897 by Germany to apply only to Jews - the term Semites also includes Arabs)
The day lawmakers and politicians have the rightt to re-write the dictionary, that will be the day when fascists such as yourself rule the world.
Words manipulated by self-interested bodies become coparable to the old saying, "a camel is a horse designed by a committee
All immaterial anyway - as Israel chooses to constantly breach a section of the definition, that definition becomes invalid and unworkable, so we fall back on that long established one.
God save us from a world where ethnic censers tell us what words mean
"Fortunately Jom "
You will never learn that your childish belligerence only serves to draw attention to your stupidly ignorant nature
Keep it up - it saves em ahving to point it out too often
Carry on Cookie
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 02:40 PM

Fortunately Jom that is not how the law works, they have to be a bit more detailed and cover it more than a broad-brush generalisation.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 12:35 PM

"think that they and they alone can decide what is anti-Semitic and what isn't."
We just have to look in the dictionary - it's there in black and white - no mention of criticising Israel
Get someone to read it out for you Discrimination against and denigration of THE JEWISH PEOPLE
Everything else is political self interest
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 12:20 PM

Talking about the definition Gnome, as you know very well - pleased to hear that you know it [The Definition] exists, puts you one ahead of your pals, who for some misguided reason seem to think that they and they alone can decide what is anti-Semitic and what isn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 12:04 PM

"But I didn't raise it! Honest!"
I don't suggest for one minute that you did Dave
These people aren't known for their truthfulness - they always try to blame someone else when they're caught out
Doen't change the fact that we shouldn't be here
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 08:56 AM

But I didn't raise it! Honest!

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 08:13 AM

Antisemistm no longer has a workable definition - how can it if even the main signatory to the last one refuses to adhere to it?
Even Eric Pickles makes this point in his definition of Antisemitism
However
Antisemistm no longer has a workable definition - how can it if even the main signatory to the last one refuses to adhere to it?
"Dave raised it, for reasons only known to Dave!"
You mean "he hit me first sir"
Grow up Keith – you are all equally to blame
It is totally unfair to swamp yet another thread with our arguments when there is a perfectly good one on the go.
For crying out loud - move this discussion to where it belongs - it is not even thread drift - it is a hostile takeover
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 07:59 AM

Anti-Semitism Definition:
Exists now in law. Shaw's, Raggy's Gnome's, Greg F's or indeed anyone else's opinions are irrelevant.

You also said that Teribus. My opinion is and always has been that there is antisemitism everywhere. I have never denied it exists in the Labour party so I wondered WTF you were on about.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 06:41 AM

That should of course be "following"

Steve Shaw then took up the discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 06:38 AM

Got to the labour party and anti-Semitism because of the flowing post of mine:

Now if Spicer was a member of the Labour Party, under the arrangements arrived at by Labour's NEC courtesy of the Chakrabarti "Whitewash", he would face suspension, not expulsion, until he apologised after which he would be fully reinstated.

In answer to those demanding that Spicer be forced to resign.

I stand by what I said.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 05:09 AM

I posted the question before Jim! So he was the +1 Stu.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 10:39 AM

...And considering that you whinge on about about people going off-topic, WTF has this got to do with this thread anyway?

DtG

Makes you number 3 or 4 I think. Patrick McGoohan was number 6...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Stu
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 04:59 AM

"Why has this been taken over to discuss The nonsense about the Labour Party when there is another on the same subject?"

+1

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 04:41 AM

Jim, Iains - Ask Teribus.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 04:37 AM

There's certainly been a load of nonsense said about the Labour Party here, I'll agree with you that much.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Iains
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 04:33 AM

Why has this been taken over to discuss The nonsense about the Labour Party when there is another on the same subject?

Good point, Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 04:26 AM

Comparing two different surveys that asked completely different questions Gnome. As usual you are attempting to compare apples to oranges and not getting away with it.

And which 2 different surveys are those then, Teribus? Do any of them say that Labour supporters are more likely to be antisemitic than UKIP supporters for instance?

Keith Dave raised it, for reasons only known to Dave! Again, untrue. My first mention of this was 12 Apr 17 - 10:39 AM Which was in response to a post by Teribus at 08:23AM the same day. Do you think that people cannot read or something? The exchange is even on this page!

The rumps sound good, Steve. Didn't know they had bones! :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 04:08 AM

Anyway, Andrew Neil is a wazzock. I'm doing The Rumps today. Pick the bones out of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 04:00 AM

Jim,
Why has this been taken over to discuss The nonsense about Lanbour Party when there is another on the same subject

Dave raised it, for reasons only known to Dave!

Dave,
Keith, would you like to tell us why there were no Jews in the Nazi party?

No. Everyone already knows, silly!

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 03:49 AM

Comparing two different surveys that asked completely different questions Gnome. As usual you are attempting to compare apples to oranges and not getting away with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 03:08 AM

Yes, OK, Teribus, not twice as likely but the survey found that one in four (25%) Britons believed that Jews chase money more than other British people, a figure which rose to 39% of those participants who identified themselves as UKIP voters. So, more than 50% more likely. Still a damn site more than anyone else. As I revisited the survey I also spotted the related crime figures. I suggest you have look at them and note the prevalence of right wing fanatics amongst those who have been successfully prosecuted.

I also suggest you look up recently published government paper, produced by a multi party committee, which gives this statement -

This report focuses to some extent on the Labour Party, because it has been the main source of recent allegations of antisemitism associated with political parties. It should be emphasised that the majority of antisemitic abuse and crime has historically been, and continues to be, committed by individuals associated with (or motivated by) far-right wing parties and political activity. Although there is little reliable or representative data
on contemporary sources of antisemitism, CST figures suggest that around three-quarters of all politically-motivated antisemitic incidents come from far-right sources.

However, the fact that incidents of antisemitism—particularly online—have made their way into a major political party is a new and deplorable phenomenon, and one which has not recently affected the mainstream right wing of British politics. It is particularly shocking that it should affect a party whose founding principles are based on equality.

I have not taken to emboldening the passages I wish to draw attention to as some have but I suggest you read and understand the last sentence of the first paragraph.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 02:53 AM

Why has this been taken over to discuss The nonsense about Lanbour Party when there is another on the same subject
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 01:30 AM

"So, Teribus, can anyone tell us how may of these expectations are met?"

Well according to all the reports in the press, the complaints made, the resignation of the co-chairman of the OULC, two inquiries commissioned by Labour's NEC, the suspensions - I'd guess quite a few Gnome. It is not my fault, or Keith A's, that you choose to discount and ignore them. You doing that does not alter the fact that they are all there on record.

UKIP were far from being twice as anti-Semitic as any other party - at least not in the CAA survey.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 03:35 PM

87% of people doing the lottery expect to win.

13% do not but still do it anyway.

62% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

So, Teribus, can anyone tell us how may of these expectations are met? Thought not. Will anyone tell us why the survey I linked to said that UKIP members were twice as prone to racism as any other party? Thought not. Keith, would you like to tell us why there were no Jews in the Nazi party? Thought not.


DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 02:12 PM

87% of Jews expect to encounter anti-Semitism in the Labour Party
13% of Jews expect to encounter it in the Conservative Party.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 01:54 PM

There were no Jews in the Nazi Party to complain about its anti-Semitism Dave.
There are lots of Jews in UK parties, but only those in Labour complain about anti-Semitism.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 01:50 PM

It must be worse in the Labour party because the other parties have not made any complaints while Labour Party members have made lots and continue to do so.

How many more times?

By that measure the Nazi party in 1930s Germany must have been a paragon of virtue as I guess they received fewer complaints that anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 01:42 PM

Dave,
That it must be worse in the Labour party because the other parties have not received as many complaints?

It must be worse in the Labour party because the other parties have not made any complaints while Labour Party members have made lots and continue to do so.

See the relevant thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 01:26 PM

...and still fuck all to do with this thread. May as well discuss food, drink and holidays...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 01:24 PM

What proof is that then, Keith? That it must be worse in the Labour party because the other parties have not received as many complaints? By that measure the Nazi party in 1930s Germany must have been a paragon of virtue as I guess they received fewer complaints that anyone.

You are going purely off what other people say. Again. You have provided no evidence that a Labour supporter is more likely to be antisemitic while I have linked a survey which found that UKIP supporters are more likely to be antisemitic than anyone else.

Zero for effort and no cigar.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 01:18 PM

Dave,
No one has yet provided proof of it being worse in the Labour party than anywhere else.

I have, on the Labour Party thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 01:11 PM

Lifted straight from the Chakrabarti Reports Recommendations:

12. I recommend consideration of a greater range of NCC sanctions short of suspension and expulsion.

13. I do not recommend lifetime bans from the Labour Party and recommend time limits on the bringing of disciplinary charges.

The other thing is that no incidence of racist/anti-Semitic behaviour that predates the acceptance of this report can be brought to the attention of Labour's NEC for disciplinary action.

Chakrabarti "Whitewash".

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 10:39 AM

Anti-Semitism Definition:
Exists now in law. Shaw's, Raggy's Gnome's, Greg F's or indeed anyone else's opinions are irrelevant.

WTF has it got to do with me? I have always accepted that there is antisemitism everywhere. No one has yet provided proof of it being worse in the Labour party than anywhere else. And considering that you whinge on about about people going off-topic, WTF has this got to do with this thread anyway?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 10:37 AM

don't agree with your opinions on this Teribus, there are far too many negatives as far as Russia is concerned and far too few positives.
The regime does not require chemicals to win or even shorten the war.

The perception that President Assad authorised the attack has turned world opinion against him.....when even the US were saying that there was no way forward without him.
The attack achieved nothing militarily, eighty women and children killed, the Americans killed over a hundred in Mosel with one drone strike.
"People saw planes dropping bombs containing Sarin gas"....and how did they know the bombs contained Sarin?.....both the regime and Russia have stated that an attack took place(using conventional weapons) and one of these rockets/bombs struck a cache of gas which the Russians say had been deliberately left to provide the conclusion we see before us; the planes would in that case still be seen dropping bombs, but the gas would not have been contained within them.

To say that Assad gassed women and children because he "thought he could get away with it", does not make good military sense and if the Russians were involved they were bound to take into account world opinion in the aftermath.

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Stu
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 09:55 AM

"Very embarrassing for Russia whose anti-missile Growler system failed to intercept any of the US Tomahawks even although they had prior warning and knew what their target was."

Given the fact Trump's team and the Russians talk and have done for some time it must be possible the Growlers were turned off; Russian bluster since the attack has a hollow ring to it, they just need to be seen to be making some noise.

It would be funny that Boris cancelled his trip to Moscow and then failed to convince the G7 to do anything about Russia if it didn't mean we had such a prat as Foreign Secretary and the Brexiteers had rendered us irrelevant internationally with their nationalistic ranting for the last couple of years. So much for taking back control: when Tillerson whistled, BoJo came running and did his bidding like a good little servant. Well done Brexitwats!

Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 09:11 AM

Oh no you don't, Teribus. You suggested that blatant Holocaust deniers in the Labour Party wouldn't be expelled. You have no grounds for saying that and you have no grounds for suggesting that the party harbours Holocaust deniers. It was a stupid post and I think you know it.