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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: robomatic Date: 27 Oct 23 - 03:32 PM SRS' advice about getting the data off a suspect storage device ASAP is spot on. I have quite a few HDs of various sizes and provenances. I was going to post a HD question regarding 'shingle' technology but I'm holding off in order to do something less useful. Give advice. I usually purchase new drives in pairs and then plug 'em in and let 'em heat up and use them for strictly temporary stuff. Once they've been in use for a couple of weeks I may load them down with stuff I care about. In one case with some Seagate portables they worked for a few years and then they quit relatively close in time in the same way. This meant to me that the same thing went wrong inside both of them, probably component wise. I could hear the disks spin up, but the computer would not recognize them. With me, electrical and electronic items are very 'fungible' so if you have two of the same thing, what you do to one if repeated will do the same thing to the other. In this case, both drives were the same age, used for the same thing, treated well and stored the same way. That's where the situation has stopped. I thought of composing a nice letter to Seagate, because I'm fairly certain it's a known failure to them or somebody like them. But although they may repond out of pride it's clearly beyond warranty. My advice is not much better: Search the internet for your specific problem with your specific HD. Yeah, you read this far for not much. More later! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 26 Oct 23 - 09:56 PM Western Digital - an original HD corp ... just plunged, an incredible 10% over night. Sincerely, Gargoyle I expect we will all wake to a whole new world Monday morning |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: DaveRo Date: 21 Oct 23 - 11:47 AM I ought to warn that the connectors to a SATA drive are pretty flimsy. It's not so bad if you're using a USB adapter because it's one wide plug, covering both power (7 connectors) and data (15). SATA drive connectors But the power plug particularly is very easy to break when it's on a too-short cable from the PSU and you can't see what you're doing. I've broken one and it was hard to get it to maintain contact once the plastic bit was missing. The mobo end is fairly robust. I've seen two types - one just pushes in and the other has a squeeze-lock mechanism. My 2006 spare desktop recently failed, so I no longer have any of the old IDE ribbon cable drives. They could be difficult to plug together, let alone the master/slave/jumpers malarky, but at least they stayed plugged! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: DaveRo Date: 21 Oct 23 - 03:05 AM Even if it's a 2½" drive you don't of course need a a USB-SATA adapter if you're prepared to poke about inside your computer and find a power plug and you have a spare SATA socket - or borrow these from another drive. One thing I discovered recently when I updated my RaspberryPi (it's a music player) is that USB adapters usually cannot pass the full range of SATA commands to the drive. I remember reading that SMART commands may not work. So diagnostic software can discover more about a directly-connected drive than a USB-connected one. OTOH I wouldn't just connect up a random drive inside a Windows machine. What I do is fire up a gparted live disk. If that can see the disk, but says it has no partition table (maybe it's corrupt) then an expert might be able to recover the data. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: DaveRo Date: 20 Oct 23 - 01:16 PM I assume this drive is USB. If it doesn't work with your box there's little to lose by opening it up. Inside there's probably a 2½" HDD. I have a couple of those USB to SATA adapters - about $5-10: they work. Buy a USB 3.n where n is as high as possible, for future compatibility. If the drive is bigger you'll have to plug it in to a SATA socket on the mobo and a power supply. If the drive has failed that's probably the end of it. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: Stanron Date: 20 Oct 23 - 08:27 PM I've got maybe ten old disk drives from long dead computers. I can access them using USB adapters. 2.5" drives don't need a power supply but 3.5" drives do. I've got both kinds somewhere but it's ages since I used them. Of course if the drive itself is dead the adapter is useless. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Oct 23 - 01:49 PM The only reason for setting up the SATA etc system would be transfer the data and then be done with it. I agree - they weren't very stable as far as being bumped, even running through one of the slots on the back of the computer. The old ribbon cables - I have struggled with those over the years also, but once in place there's usually no problem. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Oct 23 - 11:09 AM Back in the early oughts I had external drives in drive enclosures and have had one or two of those (or other devices) that used SATA or eSATA cables to plug to the motherboard. I still have cables somewhere. That whole "master and slave" terminology was in other technology as well. Did anyone else drive a standard transmission car or truck with a master and a slave cylinder for the transmission fluid? It was an appalling set of terms even back then. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Oct 23 - 02:27 PM I'll look into what other device the drive inside the case can be dropped into - but as you say, we'll try a different computer first. There's no going back to using that device as a drive after this, we just want the data before it is recycled as e-waste. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Oct 23 - 01:13 PM Thank you! It worked for several weeks on the new Win11 OS. File system shouldn't be an issue. Was your adapter a free standing device, or was it a box to plug the guts of the old hard drive into? |
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Subject: Tech: Computer backup Win10/11 external HDD fail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Oct 23 - 11:01 AM I'm tagging on this existing thread to ask a question for a friend who recently took his external data drive that he'd used with an ancient Win10 system and started using it with a new Dell Win11 system. I was there to set up the new computer and told him he should move that data into the new one ASAP now that he has an extra drive. On the old computer he kept it on the external drive for the extra space and so he wouldn't have programs and data on the C: drive. Now he has a D: HDD with a SSD C: drive. It seems that the new computer has stopped recognizing the external drive. And it seems increasingly likely that the external drive may have failed. Several of us discussed this privately in a group thread on Facebook - mapping to the old drive, etc. but in this plug and play world, his drive should be visible. SO - if we assume at this point that the external drive has failed (a regular Seagate drive, not a bare drive inserted into a drive box), how do get the data out of the drive? I see ads periodically for a device to attach to drives to get their data - do those work? And will we have to disassemble the external drive case to attach a device like that? A local computer business is suggesting they would charge him $2000 to transfer his data. I think we can do better. I am considering first having him bring the drive over here and attaching it to my old Win10 computer that is no longer online; if I can see the contents I'll transfer them to something else that he can take home and use to move data into the new computer. I give that less than a 50/50 chance of working, but it's worth a try. Thoughts? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 21 Oct 23 - 10:57 AM Perhaps I should explain the PC topic: some time ago, some people complained that the notions of "master" and "slave", applied to devices, were racist, so that other names are now used. A problem with racism is that those who diagnose it in others often reveal their own latent racism ex negativo. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 21 Oct 23 - 10:48 AM As for "a spare SATA socket", I vaguely remember using that ages ago, with a lot of fuss about "master and slave" – that was in an era when "PC" was short for "personal computer". I think I had to replug my boot disk to the other socket of a flimsy "bus", and make sure all the 100 needles or so were pushed tightly and none was bent. Best ask an expert in case you consider it. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 20 Oct 23 - 02:18 PM An adapter is an adapter. USB plug at one end, and SATA etc. on the other one to plug into the "raw" disk. As Dave writes, you have to take the disk out of its "case" – which essentially is another such adapter or converter that might be the cause of the problem. The idea of trying with another computer is not to be dismissed entirely; miracles did happen in the past. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 20 Oct 23 - 01:09 PM Did it work formerly with the very same computer and OS that now fails to recognize it? If not, it may be an issue of the OS and the file system support. Trying with a different computer is certainly worth the effort. I bought an adapter ages ago for about $/€/£40 that connects "raw" HDs of various interfaces to USB; it works, if the HD is intact. If the fault is with the USB adapter in the drive case (– very rare!), this is the remedy. You can ask around if someone in your vicinity owns such a device; the main use case is to save data from old computers. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: robomatic Date: 27 Oct 23 - 03:32 PM SRS' advice about getting the data off a suspect storage device ASAP is spot on. I have quite a few HDs of various sizes and provenances. I was going to post a HD question regarding 'shingle' technology but I'm holding off in order to do something less useful. Give advice. I usually purchase new drives in pairs and then plug 'em in and let 'em heat up and use them for strictly temporary stuff. Once they've been in use for a couple of weeks I may load them down with stuff I care about. In one case with some Seagate portables they worked for a few years and then they quit relatively close in time in the same way. This meant to me that the same thing went wrong inside both of them, probably component wise. I could hear the disks spin up, but the computer would not recognize them. With me, electrical and electronic items are very 'fungible' so if you have two of the same thing, what you do to one if repeated will do the same thing to the other. In this case, both drives were the same age, used for the same thing, treated well and stored the same way. That's where the situation has stopped. I thought of composing a nice letter to Seagate, because I'm fairly certain it's a known failure to them or somebody like them. But although they may repond out of pride it's clearly beyond warranty. My advice is not much better: Search the internet for your specific problem with your specific HD. Yeah, you read this far for not much. More later! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 26 Oct 23 - 09:56 PM Western Digital - an original HD corp ... just plunged, an incredible 10% over night. Sincerely, Gargoyle I expect we will all wake to a whole new world Monday morning |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Oct 23 - 01:49 PM The only reason for setting up the SATA etc system would be transfer the data and then be done with it. I agree - they weren't very stable as far as being bumped, even running through one of the slots on the back of the computer. The old ribbon cables - I have struggled with those over the years also, but once in place there's usually no problem. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: DaveRo Date: 21 Oct 23 - 11:47 AM I ought to warn that the connectors to a SATA drive are pretty flimsy. It's not so bad if you're using a USB adapter because it's one wide plug, covering both power (7 connectors) and data (15). SATA drive connectors But the power plug particularly is very easy to break when it's on a too-short cable from the PSU and you can't see what you're doing. I've broken one and it was hard to get it to maintain contact once the plastic bit was missing. The mobo end is fairly robust. I've seen two types - one just pushes in and the other has a squeeze-lock mechanism. My 2006 spare desktop recently failed, so I no longer have any of the old IDE ribbon cable drives. They could be difficult to plug together, let alone the master/slave/jumpers malarky, but at least they stayed plugged! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Oct 23 - 11:09 AM Back in the early oughts I had external drives in drive enclosures and have had one or two of those (or other devices) that used SATA or eSATA cables to plug to the motherboard. I still have cables somewhere. That whole "master and slave" terminology was in other technology as well. Did anyone else drive a standard transmission car or truck with a master and a slave cylinder for the transmission fluid? It was an appalling set of terms even back then. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 21 Oct 23 - 10:57 AM Perhaps I should explain the PC topic: some time ago, some people complained that the notions of "master" and "slave", applied to devices, were racist, so that other names are now used. A problem with racism is that those who diagnose it in others often reveal their own latent racism ex negativo. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 21 Oct 23 - 10:48 AM As for "a spare SATA socket", I vaguely remember using that ages ago, with a lot of fuss about "master and slave" – that was in an era when "PC" was short for "personal computer". I think I had to replug my boot disk to the other socket of a flimsy "bus", and make sure all the 100 needles or so were pushed tightly and none was bent. Best ask an expert in case you consider it. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: DaveRo Date: 21 Oct 23 - 03:05 AM Even if it's a 2½" drive you don't of course need a a USB-SATA adapter if you're prepared to poke about inside your computer and find a power plug and you have a spare SATA socket - or borrow these from another drive. One thing I discovered recently when I updated my RaspberryPi (it's a music player) is that USB adapters usually cannot pass the full range of SATA commands to the drive. I remember reading that SMART commands may not work. So diagnostic software can discover more about a directly-connected drive than a USB-connected one. OTOH I wouldn't just connect up a random drive inside a Windows machine. What I do is fire up a gparted live disk. If that can see the disk, but says it has no partition table (maybe it's corrupt) then an expert might be able to recover the data. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: Stanron Date: 20 Oct 23 - 08:27 PM I've got maybe ten old disk drives from long dead computers. I can access them using USB adapters. 2.5" drives don't need a power supply but 3.5" drives do. I've got both kinds somewhere but it's ages since I used them. Of course if the drive itself is dead the adapter is useless. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Oct 23 - 02:27 PM I'll look into what other device the drive inside the case can be dropped into - but as you say, we'll try a different computer first. There's no going back to using that device as a drive after this, we just want the data before it is recycled as e-waste. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 20 Oct 23 - 02:18 PM An adapter is an adapter. USB plug at one end, and SATA etc. on the other one to plug into the "raw" disk. As Dave writes, you have to take the disk out of its "case" – which essentially is another such adapter or converter that might be the cause of the problem. The idea of trying with another computer is not to be dismissed entirely; miracles did happen in the past. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: DaveRo Date: 20 Oct 23 - 01:16 PM I assume this drive is USB. If it doesn't work with your box there's little to lose by opening it up. Inside there's probably a 2½" HDD. I have a couple of those USB to SATA adapters - about $5-10: they work. Buy a USB 3.n where n is as high as possible, for future compatibility. If the drive is bigger you'll have to plug it in to a SATA socket on the mobo and a power supply. If the drive has failed that's probably the end of it. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Oct 23 - 01:13 PM Thank you! It worked for several weeks on the new Win11 OS. File system shouldn't be an issue. Was your adapter a free standing device, or was it a box to plug the guts of the old hard drive into? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup: Win10/11, external HDD fail From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 20 Oct 23 - 01:09 PM Did it work formerly with the very same computer and OS that now fails to recognize it? If not, it may be an issue of the OS and the file system support. Trying with a different computer is certainly worth the effort. I bought an adapter ages ago for about $/€/£40 that connects "raw" HDs of various interfaces to USB; it works, if the HD is intact. If the fault is with the USB adapter in the drive case (– very rare!), this is the remedy. You can ask around if someone in your vicinity owns such a device; the main use case is to save data from old computers. |
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Subject: Tech: Computer backup Win10/11 external HDD fail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Oct 23 - 11:01 AM I'm tagging on this existing thread to ask a question for a friend who recently took his external data drive that he'd used with an ancient Win10 system and started using it with a new Dell Win11 system. I was there to set up the new computer and told him he should move that data into the new one ASAP now that he has an extra drive. On the old computer he kept it on the external drive for the extra space and so he wouldn't have programs and data on the C: drive. Now he has a D: HDD with a SSD C: drive. It seems that the new computer has stopped recognizing the external drive. And it seems increasingly likely that the external drive may have failed. Several of us discussed this privately in a group thread on Facebook - mapping to the old drive, etc. but in this plug and play world, his drive should be visible. SO - if we assume at this point that the external drive has failed (a regular Seagate drive, not a bare drive inserted into a drive box), how do get the data out of the drive? I see ads periodically for a device to attach to drives to get their data - do those work? And will we have to disassemble the external drive case to attach a device like that? A local computer business is suggesting they would charge him $2000 to transfer his data. I think we can do better. I am considering first having him bring the drive over here and attaching it to my old Win10 computer that is no longer online; if I can see the contents I'll transfer them to something else that he can take home and use to move data into the new computer. I give that less than a 50/50 chance of working, but it's worth a try. Thoughts? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Sep 17 - 10:45 AM Thanks - that is helpful. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: DaveRo Date: 03 Sep 17 - 03:07 AM I only fire up my Windows 10 occasionally to test stuff, and have no great interest in its telemetry, but here's my 2 cents' worth. All serious software needs feedback from real installations to identify and diagnose problems and find out how real people use it. Android certainly does - including the opensource version - and I'm sure iOS does. Firefox does: there is a team collecting and analysing crash date (recently the rollout of v55 was stopped when a spike of crashes were seen) and features are occasionally 'retired' when it's found that so few people use them it's not worth the cost of maintaining them. The problem is that telemetry - as it's fairly recently become known - is often misrepresented - 'phoning home', 'spying', etc, and the majority of web articles are predicated on the assumption that you want to turn it off. Given that attitude by commentators I have some sympathy with Microsoft - who need this data - making it difficult. There's an analogy somewhere here with vaccination - if a few people disable it it doesn't matter, but if a lot of people do ... MS need to be more open and positive about what they collect and why. Maybe they're doing this: Microsoft opens up on Windows telemetry, tells us most of what data it collects And to stop using phrases like 'improving the user experience'! So my view is, by all means turn things like this off - I do - but it's not as intrusive and sinister as most web commentators want you to think. The next major update to Windows 10 is in October, BTW. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: Stanron Date: 02 Sep 17 - 03:23 PM I've just checked the Software Manager and I've got rsync installed. I assume it runs in the Terminal. I've found some commands on line but any suggestions from you would be welcome. Only 50 minutes to go. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: DaveRo Date: 02 Sep 17 - 02:19 PM Stanron wrote: Backup means copying this folder to the USB disk.Use rsync. Assuming most of the files don't change it'll take minutes not hours. Since this a Win 10 thread, PM me if you want some example commands. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: Stanron Date: 02 Sep 17 - 01:10 PM I was reading through this thread and feeling rather smug about having ditched Windows for Linux several years ago when I realised I hadn't backed up my files for a long time. I back up to an external USB drive which only gets plugged in for this purpose. Files I make on the computer are all saved to one compartmentalised folder. Backup means copying this folder to the USB disk. 16.1 gig, originally estimated at taking 3 hours 23 minutes. Ten minutes later estimated as 3 hours and 30 minutes and now an hour later estimated at 3 hours and two minutes. I've got maybe 100 photos, some .wav files and a few videos. I'm doing it with USB 2, and I think I might have one USB 3 socket on th back of the case. I'll check before doing it again. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Sep 17 - 10:06 AM I'm bringing this back up for the Win 10 context, but it is a different issue. I was looking at the Task Manager this morning when I awoke my computer, curious about the processing noises arising from the tower beside my desk. It turns out that Microsoft Compatibility Telemetry was hard at work. I found a Windows Insider article that I must presume was largely translated at some point because verbs go out the window as you read further down the piece, but it discusses the collection of personal information that I tried to turn off when I initially set up Win10. Has anyone else here looked into this? I have Win10 Pro, not an enterprise version (that is allowed to turn off the telemetry). Apparently there are some things you can do, but the article is difficult to understand, as you will see if you try to read very far through this thing. From the top, a summary: If you are new to Windows 10, then you don't know about Microsoft compatibility telemetry. This is a complete guide on How to disable Telemetry and Data Collection in Windows 10. Microsoft has updated Windows 10 with the Comment range of securities and new features. New Windows 10 update comes with the telemetry feature enabled by default that collects all sorts of user activity and sends it to Microsoft. If you are looking for what is Microsoft compatibility telemetry, then this article will assist you. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Jul 17 - 09:01 AM Of course, I suppose the reorganise portion of "start from scratch" could be applied to my pictures too. There are a lot of "duplicates" (make more than one attempt at a shot) and quite a few where, when I look back, I can't work out why I took them or what they were about. Still there is stuff I want to keep (altough (to me) surprisingly few, eg. this one where I still think that's exactly what I wanted to capture. I doubt it but maybe the mishap will trigger a bit of a clear out later in the year...) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Jul 17 - 08:10 AM Oh well it happened yesterday... As the PC, which is connected to a UPS, appears to have shut down correctly, I guess it's just co-incidence but the hdd with our pictures, etc. started acting up after a power cut yesterday. According to fsck, the disk is clean but it looks like the controller is on the way out - lots of lock ups and resets. Anyway, I moved the disk to a USB caddy and for some reason found it works better (fewer resets, etc.) at USB 2 speeds (the device is USB 3). It took time but I've managed to back the photos and a handful of documents I need up so I guess I've been lucky. I should have new hdd tomorrow and will think about the other bits the old hdd holds then. A number of CDs are in ogg format which isn't compatible with some devices here, stuff recorded from tv will come round again and some will never be watched, etc. I might be better off starting from scratch with some things. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: GUEST,Jon Date: 20 May 17 - 04:01 AM I wasn't aware of that Mr Red but from what you say, I believe I do comply with UK (where I live) law. It's just you would have to look above the sliding doors that open to the living room rather than the porch to the only generally used entrance. You can see it from the entrance gate but if your eyes were fixed on walking to the porch you might miss it. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: Mr Red Date: 20 May 17 - 03:17 AM the way UK law works, you have to have camera visible and not pointing at other peoples' premises. Eg windows. Just thought but how legal is it to have a fake camera visible and a covert camera covering a similar vista? It would be one up on the criminal who might try to inhibit a camera, though if they think it is worth their while they are not that bothered with being filmed. How robust is WiFi? I have seen a case on TV where cars were locked wirelessly but the crims were firing high power to block the transmission. Owners assumed the lock had worked and in the wee small hours the car is open to take whatever. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: GUEST,Jon Date: 20 May 17 - 02:32 AM I'd guess as a deterrent, a realistic fake might be as effective... One of our 4 cameras is outside but I'm not sure if it would be that readily spotted by someone calling at the house (L shaped bungalow). I opted for a more complete view of the front of the property than I'd get from the porch door area. That and I guess ease of fitting - a switch with POE does for the cabling to that one and the one in the living room. (The other 2 are 12v powered and one of them using wi-fi). |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 May 17 - 01:55 AM It's possible to purchase a multi-camera security system with a several Tb hard drive supporting them for a few hundred dollars. I've considered it myself. My next door neighbor put in a fake camera over her front door (it has a blinking red light and looks quite real). What's to say that her fake camera, in view but out of reach of thieves, is going to be less effective than catching images with multiple cameras attached around the outside of the house? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: GUEST,Jon Date: 19 May 17 - 06:45 PM A bit OT but I put added a 3TB drive to my "general purpose server/ mythtv frontend" in the living the other day. Main reason is to store pictures from IP cams. It may be a bit ott but dad thinks that 9 token coins disappeared from his collection over the 60 days he was in hospital and there are quite a few people (eg. a carer for an hr each day) that can be around the house these days. I'm not going to back up but hope to be able to look back at recordings should another "disappearance" be suspected. I'm running the multi platform xeoma btw and am pretty pleased with it. My more natural choice would have been ZoneMinder but I struggled with it's resource usage (seems to be a common problem and one Iv'e also seen levelled at the Windows only Blue Iris - with ZoneMinder, I believe it's often sortable if you have the time and patience) in a past play and have for this opted for a pay for solution for the current 4 cameras. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: Mr Red Date: 15 May 17 - 06:27 AM FWIW - apparently The current virus had a back-door for the instigator to release the block. The release was as simple as having a domain that existed. It didn't. The investigator who found this bought the domain and it worked! he said he was a grown man jumping and leaping like a child as soon as he found it had succeeded. I have not seen much about the mop-up situation - particularly in the UK Health Service, nor how devastating (after Sunday). |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 May 17 - 11:33 PM Interesting that this evening when I spoke to my son he was in the middle of moving his existing computer contents into a larger case (with a new motherboard and CPU). It's a small world. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 14 May 17 - 09:23 PM This entire thread led me back to: Electronic Freedom Foundaton and stuff I had not considered for over ten years: Intel chips are imbedded with "ET phone home" that cannot be removed. There are over one-hundred GOOD search engines beyond google....www.duckduckgo.com is one. Sincerely, Gargoyle ]small> Gotta go...time the chase ducks...I'm over due. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: GUEST,CJB Date: 14 May 17 - 06:03 AM Risks-Forum Digest Saturday 13 May 2017 Volume 30 : Issue 29 Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:27:31 -0700 From: Lauren Weinstein Subject: Today's Massive Ransomware Attack Was Mostly Preventable -- Here's How To Avoid It (Gizmodo) NNSquad http://gizmodo.com/today-s-massive-ransomware-attack-was-mostly-preventabl-1795179984 Here's what happened: Unknown attackers deployed a virus targeting Microsoft servers running the file sharing protocol Server Message Block (SMB). Only servers that weren't updated after March 14 with the MS17-010 patch were affected; this patch resolved an exploit known as ExternalBlue, once a closely guarded secret of the National Security Agent, which was leaked last month by ShadowBrokers, a hacker group that first revealed itself last summer. The ransomware, aptly named WannaCry, did not spread because of people clicking on bad links. The only way to prevent this attack was to have already installed the update. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: Mr Red Date: 14 May 17 - 04:17 AM A word of caution all forms of storage - floppies (remember them) HDD, SSD, memory sticks have an MTBF - someone (of this parish) who used external HDDs found out of 10 identical rotating disc HDDs, 2 had failed in some way in 5 years. & they were being used as long term storage not regularly. I myself had to reload Firefox recently because of what I would assume was a soft error on a rotating HDD. Who knows why, vibration, gamma hits, or even wear. SSDs are a system on their own. The internal microprocessor is monitoring the threshold of cells and when it gets close to failure swaps out a whole block and calls up reserve memory in its place. Maybe your better memory sticks do it. But as the prime HDD in your system it would get a lot of use - which affects those thresholds. Nuttin ain't purfect! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: DaveRo Date: 14 May 17 - 02:42 AM You could get a bigger case - one from a junkshop perhaps. I'm still using this - the case is probably 20 years old and the motherboard two sizes smaller, maybe 10 years old, but it fitted the fixing points and card slots. Room for several drives, and being airy it runs quite cool. The tricky bit is connecting the case switches - hence the odd wires visible in the picture. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer backup - Win10, UPS, external HDD From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 May 17 - 11:10 PM About nine hours later and the backup is at 25%. It's all of those photos, mostly. |
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