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Jim Carroll 07 Jul 17 - 08:36 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 17 - 08:36 AM

And you are a racist bigot defending the indefensible


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jul 17 - 07:19 AM

Jim, you are a lone, lunatic voice howling in the wilderness.

The programme stated unequivocally that this vast and appalling crime against children is overwhelmingly committed by a single ethnic group.

It has received universal acclaim.
You alone in the world challenge it or call it racist.

I was right six years ago, and you were wrong to shout "racist" then and wrong now.

Do the forum a favour and move on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jul 17 - 07:04 AM

Jim,
Keith linked culture and religion way, way back by describing Mohammed as a paedophile

You have to lie about me or you have no case.
I have NEVER linked culture and religion.
If I did, QUOTE ME, LIAR!

I have never described Mohammed (peace be upon him) "as a paedophile."
If I did, QUOTE ME, LIAR!

Child marriage was ubiquitous then and not linked to paedophilia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Jul 17 - 05:44 AM

"Stop evading the point - the Christian establishment has a far greater record of paedophelic abuse than any other single group in Britain and Ireland" - Jim Carroll

Is that a bit of realism and moderation creeping into the discussion as Jom shifts the goalposts after having been corrected?

That quoted above is a hell of a lot different from the original emotive twaddle that he came out with:

The fact remains that the greatest abusers of children throughout the twentieth century was - by far has been the Christian church - not criminals who happened to be Christians but the representatives of that religion - those who claim to have been "called by God"

A baseless and totally unfounded statement based on Jom's own bias and his whining victim left-liberal guilt trip.

But taking that quote of Jom's up top there. Would it be equally true to say that:

"Stop evading the point - the ruling and religious establishment has a far greater record of paedophiliac abuse than any other single group in China"

How many more millions of people are there in China than there are in Britain or Ireland Jom?

"Stop evading the point - the ruling and religious establishment has a far greater record of paedophiliac abuse than any other single group in India and Pakistan"

How many more millions of people are there in India and Pakistan than there are in Britain and Ireland Jom?

And yet you opened up with "The fact remains that the greatest abusers of children throughout the twentieth century was - by far has been the Christian church - Don't be so bloody stupid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Jul 17 - 03:29 AM

"YOU, YOU PRAT, ARE THE ONY PERSON REFERRING TO RELIGION"
(I assume you mean "only" - wouldn't mention it, but I know you hold typos as important
Keith linked culture and religion way, way back by describing Mohammed as a paedophile and he has gone to some lengths in the past to claim that contempt for women is part of Islamic teaching, as has every single Islamophobe on this forum (as few as they are)
What can you assume other than this is a battle for the religious market on his part
This from Robo
"Self criticism of either Islam or the Palestinian government is punishable up to and including death, and usually does not involve trials."
Horse and carriage, and all that
Religion remains the main identifying feature of the Muslim communities - it encompasses many racial and cultural groups
Stop evading the point - the Christian establishment has a far greater record of paedophelic abuse than any other single group in Britain and Ireland - that fact has now encompassed their international influence and includes the US, Canada The Philippines, Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Italy.......
Please don't be stupid by attempting to divert this quation to what it is about because you've just smashed into a brick wall
THE ABUSE OF CHILDREN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A MUSLIM OR A FOREIGNER - IT IS A CRIME THAT IS OVERWHELMINGLY ONE COMMITTED BY THE INDIGEONOUS POPULATION IN BRITAIN
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Jul 17 - 02:55 AM

Ehmmmm Jom, read down through the thread - watch the documentary - YOU, YOU PRAT, ARE THE ONY PERSON REFERRING TO RELIGION

Now tell what part of this you do not understand:

"The victims are exclusively vulnerable young white girls, the perpetrators are all with one exception older Pakistani males."

Show me above where religion is mentioned. Explain to me by what perverse thought process you are deliberately misrepresenting and lying about what has been very clearly and plainly stated.

Open and read this:

PC Gone Wrong

In the article above only one person mentions, and only one organisation attempts to use, religion in the same way that Carroll has done in this thread and in previous threads - Nick Griffin of the BNP.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 07:38 PM

"Assad's are using prohibited weapons."
Britain took a vote in Parliament before prohibited weapons were an issue - the shooting down of Homs citizens was considered serious enough for it to merit a Parliamentary vote.
The UN were prepared to send peacekeeping troops into Syria before prohibited weapons were and issue - they would have done so had not China and Russia intervened with their vetoes - the Homs victims only numbered 200 at the time and prohibited weapons were not an issue
Britain and the US were furious at the decision not to intervene.
The Amnesty report, which you are fully aware of, found that the ASSAD REGIME had been mass-murdering and torturing it's opponents for more than a decade
No hint of prohibited weapons - just mass murder and torture
"You are not resident in the United Kingdom are you."
Wherever I choose to live I am a British citizen so whatever the British government does, it does in my name
It's none of your business where I live - from your Anglophobic contempt for British Industry, the British people and the British judicial system, you appear to be a permanent resident of the Planet Zog - I never question your rights as a British citizen, so do not question mine.
Back to the main point - which you appear to be attempting to divert from.
IF THE ACTIONS OF A NUMBER OF MUSLIM CRIMINALS CAN BE LINKED TO THE CULTURE AND RELIGION - THE DECADES, EVEN CENTURIES LONG RAPE AND SEXUAL AND PHYSICAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN BY CHRISTIAN CLERICS IS "CHRISTIAN" - THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH, FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, IS INVOLVED IN BOTH HIDING AND FACILITATING THOSE RAPES AND ABUSES, CONFIRMS IT IS - END OF STORY
"Bang"
"What's that noise"
"Sounds like another hate crusade just blew up in our resident racist' faces - nurse; the screens!!!"

Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 05:21 PM

Protests by Tunisian citizens against their Government are NOT the concern of anyone outside Tunisia. As a purely "internal" and "national" matter what issues are subject to "International War".

The same as Assad using chemical weapons on his people - Not the same thing at all. In one case the Government are not committing mass murder of its citizens in the other it is. In that case the government, Assad's are using prohibited weapons.

"those elected to represent me owe debt of duty not to support monsters by selling them weapons, or invading their country to keep the oil flowing and the profits rolling in." - Tell me again Jom where are you resident? You are not resident in the United Kingdom are you. Therefore those elected to the House of Commons do not represent you. You voted with your feet years if not decades ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 03:32 PM

"What on earth have protests by Tunisian citizens against their Government got to do with anybody else? "
The same as Assad using chemical weapons on his people has
He is answerable to international law
"What did you abandon, or cancel in support of them Jom?"
What the fuck do you think I, as an individual could do - on the other hand those elected to represent me owe debt of duty not to support monsters by selling them weapons, or invading their country to keep the oil flowing and the profits rolling in.
We are not talking about active support for the protesters but not supporting the oppressors
I assume you are arguing for pulling out of Iraq!!
I take it we're finished with Muslim Paedophelia - too close to Christian Paedophelia
You are fond of pointing to others toexcuse atrocities - here's a comarison for yuo
A bunch of Muslim criminals have miles to go before they even reach the starting line alongside Christion child rape which dates back at least a century, covers children of all ages, and measures into many thousands
"The culture which surrounds us through our formative years is implanted in us to some extent for the rest of our lives."
Morons like you maybe
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 09:56 AM

Nope Jom only seems to be able to connect "culture" to "religion" - as in most things of course Jom is wrong, biased and ill-informed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 08:34 AM

"We are all implanted with some culture"
No we are not


Of course we are Jim.
The culture which surrounds us through our formative years is implanted in us to some extent for the rest of our lives.

That is why we talk of one culture being enriched by others.
Do you not recognise that there are different cultures Jim?
How does it get into people?

The fact that you still refuse to respond to that

I have responded, earlier today,.
"I am happy to repeat it here again. I utterly condemn the Church when it has acted to protect abusers, and abhor and despise the abusers themselves."


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 08:06 AM

What on earth have protests by Tunisian citizens against their Government got to do with anybody else? Tell me Jom, what else throughout the world should have been abandoned, or cancelled in support of these Tunisian protests? What did you abandon, or cancel in support of them Jom?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 07:47 AM

"BEFORE the advent of "The Arab Spring" it could not possibly have been opened AS A RESPONSE to said "Arab Spring" - could it?"
That was an ironic way of putting it as, as it wads not cancelled in support of the protests, it was the only response
I would have thought that was bloody obvious - but I forgot you don't do irony and are totally devoid of anything resembling a sense of humour
Your eternally agressive arrogance is still a sign that you have fuck all else to offer to these discussions
And your contempt for other religions is indicative that you are unaware of the fact that all religions are based on "idiotic religious mumbo-jumbo either twisted, deliberately misinterpreted," unless of course, you are claiming that Christianity encourages widespread rape by its "chosen ones"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 07:13 AM

I would have thought the point Jom was bloody obvious - As this "massive arms fair" was planned and organised BEFORE the advent of "The Arab Spring" it could not possibly have been opened AS A RESPONSE to said "Arab Spring" - could it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 06:46 AM

"We are all implanted with some culture"
No we are not
We are all surrounded by a culture which we choose as sentient beings to accept or reject
I was brought up surrounded by a culture which considered foreigners inferior and in need of guidance, homosexuality a perversion and hanging a justifiable method of punishment - I accept none of those things
These Muslim criminals were brought up in a culture that forbids alcohol and sex outside marriage - they indulge in both.
"For decades in Britain, thousands of vulnerable children were systematically abused by gangs of men, and yet no-one dared speak out."
For centuries children were abused by Christian clerics - when they told their parents they were disbelieved, if they reported it to the police they were threatened with punishment themselves
Are you actually aware of how name lives were ruined by systematic and ongoing sexcual abuse and how many young people were driven to suicide
The fact that you still refuse to respond to that and continue to peddle your own brand of religion makes you the racist bigot you are.
Your sneery talked down and vacuous gibberish is meaningless Teribus - nothing new there in content or delivery"I think that you will find Jom that that "massive arms fair" was planned and organised at least a year BEFORE the start of "The Arab Spring""
That would be the time when the people we were selling arms to were finding money for 9/11 then (according to today's paper)
What's your point?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 06:16 AM

Jim,
your obscene suggestion that all Male British Pakistanis are implanted

We are all implanted with some culture, and it was not my suggestion that culture was to blame here.
Most of those I quoted at the time were heard on the programme.

From the intro, voice overs.
"For decades in Britain, thousands of vulnerable children were systematically abused by gangs of men, and yet no-one dared speak out."


"The victims were groomed, drugged and raped, and this was happening across vast parts of the country."

Former police officer to camera,
"There was absolutely no way of getting away from the fact that the victims were young white children, and that the offenders were older, Pakistani men."

You were part of that mind set that refused to speak out.
The mindset that believed it better for more young lives be destroyed than to admit there was a problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 04:59 AM

Jim Carroll - 05 Jul 17 - 08:19 PM

Usual warped, biased, Anglophobic bullshit Jom.

1: "Child Brides" are the products of backward cultures - many of which have been kept backward by the West propping up their leaders with weapons and political support because we need their oil and need to keep them in 'safe hands

Yes they are the products of backward cultures and idiotic religious mumbo-jumbo either twisted, deliberately misinterpreted, or invented by the adherents to those religions in order to enslave and dominate the female sex. So all countries that have oil are backward cultures Jom, or is it the other way round? European interests on the Indian subcontinent [British, French, Portuguese and Dutch] brought about every advancement it has known and actually formed the state now known as India [The largest free democracy in the world] What influence had Europe in China in the twentieth century? I would suggest very little and that country does not export oil.

Various leaders, regimes and governments are propped up for a whole variety of reasons by the governments of a whole variety of other countries all looking after their own self interests - that is a political and economic reality in life and it has always been the case. Britain is no particular exception.

2: "The concern for progress in these countries was epitomised by Britain when it responded to The Arab Spring by opening a massive arms fair to sell weapons to despots"

I think that you will find Jom that that "massive arms fair" was planned and organised at least a year BEFORE the start of "The Arab Spring" so it could hardly have been opened in response to it. We only sell weapons to despots do we Jom? what about Russia, who sell far, far more than Great Britain has done - who do they sell theirs to - "freedom fighters"? Enlightened humanitarian leaders like Assad?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 04:55 AM

Piss off Keith - your racism is summed up perfectly in your obscene suggestion that all Male British Pakistanis are implanted with the desire to have underage sex with underage women and have to resist that implant in order for them not to do so
You oened this threat to continue that theme and have refused to acknowledge that if the act of a small handful of criminals is part of Muslim culture, then the long term involvement in child sex abuse by Christian clergymen is a thousand times worse
ou still continue with your grotesque claim   to the point of claiming "I think that the grooming gangs' abuse are on a greater scale."
How the fuck can what has sometimes been consensual sex with underage women by a small number of Muslim men over a few years possibly be "on a greater scale" than a century of continuing child abuse by clerics and carers who claim to be acting out God's guidance?
We all "condemn" abuse of this sort, whoever does it
You take it a giant step further by implicating an entire culture in it
You make these crimes "Muslim" but refuse to make far greater, far mor long-running, crimes, protected by the Christian Churches "Christian Crimes"
Where is your logic in doing so unless it is simple a follow up to youtr "implant" theory?"
As I said - you spitefully raised this affair to attack Muslims - not as criminal acts
You also did so as a personal attack on me
"You should, and you should feel ashamed."
Your morn mate went even further in his stumbling crudeness
"Hi Keith, I was wondering whether or Jom would be watching that documentary, guess not - too uncomfortable for him by half."
Why the fuck should I feel "ashamed" or "uncomfortable"
I don'rt support the behaviour of these criminals, but I don't attempt their crimes to a million plus law-abiding and passive people becuase their culture is different than mine
You use the suffering of these girls as a weapon in your "my religion is better than your religion" brand wars
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jul 17 - 04:22 AM

you use the horror of child abuse to dish out your racist abuse

If that is not a disgusting lie, QUOTE ME DONG IT!
My first ever post on this issue in 2011 was to defend the victims. Someone had suggested they were to blame.

Where is your condemnation of the Christian Church that allowed clerical abuse to exist for centuries

I am happy to repeat it here again. I utterly condemn the Church when it has acted to protect abusers, and abhor and despise the abusers themselves.

This subject was raised after you had made dozens of postings attacking Muslims as rapists

Lie upon filthy lie.
"Dozens?" QUOTE A SINGLE ONE THEN, LIAR!

Why the fuck should I raise the programme here - it is about a number of criminals doing bad things?

So you have not watched it yet.
You should, and you should be ashamed.
People like you, pretending that there was not a problem, are responsible for the betrayal of those thousands of child victims who were drugged, raped and whored from town to town across the country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 08:19 PM

Teribus
"Child Brides" are the products of backward cultures - many of which have been kept backward by the West propping up their leaders with weapons and political support because we need their oil and need to keep them in 'safe hands
The concern for progress in these countries was epitomised by Britain when it responded to The Arab Spring by opening a massive arms fair to sell weapons to despots
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 08:12 PM

"Jim I share your horror at the other abuse cases."
No you don't Keith - you use the horror of child abuse to dish out your racist abuse - you are every bit as bad the abusers
Where is your condemnation of the Christian Church that allowed clerical abuse to exist for centuries - the priest, the bishops, the Archbishops, the entire hierarchy of the church who let these rapists circulate - not one word of condemnation from you - only mealy-mouthed platitudes
If the actions of a group of criminals is "Muslim", why isn't the corruption that led generations of children to be raped, beaten treated like slaves and humiliated on a daily basis - Christian?
Not only did your Christian church ruin the lives of thousands of children - sometimes to the point of causing permanent psychological damage - even suicide - it continues to do so by refusing to give the survivors closure by refusing access to the facts of the abuse.
You raised this question in order to once again denigrate the Muslim people - it's blown up in your hyopcritical Christian face
"Jim has raised this issue every couple of weeks for six years."
This subject was raised after you had made dozens of postings attacking Muslims as rapists - your obscene statement came about half-way along your diatribe
I raise it every time your racism surfaces and I will continue to do so
If you object to my raising for so long you nered to remember it dates back to when you were in full flow expounding your hatred of Muslims - you started it and you have never ever withdrawn your sick claim - you raised it again here
Why the fuck should I raise the programme here - it is about a number of criminals doing bad things?
If I started a thread about every crime committed my fingers would fall off
Why have you never raised the question of the serial rape of children by Christians - or the protection of rapists by the Christian church, or the Christian run Magdalene Laundries
If I was a Christian I would be spluttering with rage about what is being done in the name of my religion
You can't even be arsed even to acknowledge it
I have no time for any religions but yours really is the pits if you are anything to go by
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 06:57 PM

OK then Jom, taking the sizes of populations into account. When you figure up the "abuse" dished out "in the course of the twentieth century" where do "child brides" rate, or FGM, or sex slaves and concubines - even if you just restrict your search to the States of India and China - in magnitude alone that would dwarf anything you are referring to. The FACT is Jom you do not have a clue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 04:20 PM

Jim I share your horror at the other abuse cases.
I think that the grooming gangs' abuse are on a greater scale.

Also, while those other organisation connived at keeping the abuse from the authorities, in the grooming cases the authorities knew all along but allowed it to continue.

Jim has raised this issue every couple of weeks for six years.
This is the first time I have ever raised it, inspired by the 3 BBC dramas and the 90minute documentary.

Perhaps I should have started a thread, but Jim never did.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 03:12 PM

The Christian church is the only establishment body to have been found to systematically carrying out and hiding series rapes of children over many decades.
Not so long ago this pair accused Travellers of keeping slaves, yet the church ran Magdelene Laundries that ran from the 1830s to the 1990s
"Fallen" girls were enslaved there, beaten, debased and sometimes passed on to wealthy benefactors, ostensibly as servants, but often as live-in prostitutes at the beck and call of their 'owners'
evral years ago a couple of Magdalene Nus were interviewed and described their victims as "the sweepings of the street who owed them a debt of gratitude for putting them on God's path to salvation".
Makes the "Betrayed Girls" look like pampered guests
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 01:17 PM

"It is just yet another example of Jim Carroll "Made-Up-Shit"."
'Fraid it is - ask Archbishop Carey or Archbishop Pell
Or better still ask the Catholic Church which has all but lost its grip on the minds of the people thanks to the sexual shenanigans of its clergy.
What part of this universe are you occupying
"They abused people and undermined the credibility of the Church's message."
Don't you ever get embarrassed at accusing people of "made-up-shit", being asked to prove it and having to sprint off into the sunset
You really are a sad little man
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 10:26 AM

"The fact remains that the greatest abusers of children throughout the twentieth century was - by far has been the Christian church" - Jom "Made-Up-Shit"

That is NOT A FACT at all Jom - you have got no idea at all of what abuse was perpetrated throughout the world during the course of the twentieth century. It is just yet another example of Jim Carroll "Made-Up-Shit".


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: robomatic
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 10:09 AM

This is another really good and interesting subject which is:
1) Off topic
2) Being diverted into a tennis match of personal invective when there are worthwhile observations to be made about the effect religion (or institutionalism) has on silencing internal dissent.

If the partakers are serious I recommend they start a new thread on this subject.
As a previous denizen of Boston I was very moved at hearing of the community action required to bring protected criminal priests and their misbehavior into the light. There is an EXCELLENT movie about this: "Spotlight". I was also very affected by the movie "Philomena".

I am not personally Catholic. But I know Catholics. A lot of 'em. I've been to Catholic services, and there are many Catholic movers and shakers in American life. They have been affected by these events. Therefore, so have been I.

When these revelations took place in Boston, it was obvious to me, thought not publicly in the Catholic community, that Boston was not some exception. Now one of the most important men in the Catholic church has been summoned back to Australia to face the music. We could talk about whether this is an international multi-religious issue (which it is) and whether or not the structure of the Catholic church lends itself to a particular spectrum of abuse (which it does). And whether other religions have their own structural particularities (flaws) which render them similarly open to problems (which of course they do).

To me this is way more interesting than the back-and-forth going on right now which are bringing out personal weaknesses that are obvious to the alert reader.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 09:18 AM

"This particular sex crime, with "THOUSANDS" of child victims, is predominantly committed by a single demographic."
Particularly Christian case has included the rape many thousands of Children spread out over fifty years involving priests and high up church officials
No competition with a handful of Muslim criminals who have fuck all to do with their religion
You aought to be ashamed of youirselves using the suffering of children as a means to persecute and denigrate an entire community
Christians - I've shit them!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 06:24 AM

Review,
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rochdale-grooming-betrayed-three-girls--13273381


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 06:01 AM

I don't give a fuck what he said

Then get off my case because I just repeated what he said.
Him and other non-white liberals like Alibhai-Brown, and Lord Ahmed, as well as decent Left Wing liberals like Ann Cryer and Jack Straw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 05:51 AM

This particular sex crime, with "THOUSANDS" of child victims, is predominantly committed by a single demographic.
They target vulnerable young girls from a different demographic.

Apart from the huge number of destroyed young lives, what makes these cases so appalling is that parents and decent professionals were reporting child rape to the police and child protection agencies who chose to ignore it because of the racial dimension.

People like you refused to listen.

Andrew Norfolk, the journalist who did the most to raise the profile of the massive scale of this abuse, sat on the story for years because he feared it would provide ammunition for the far Right.
He says he is now deeply ashamed of that decision.

The cover up provided vastly more far Right ammunition anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 04:52 AM

Don't give a shit Teribus
The fact remains that the greatest abusers of children throughout the twentieth century was - by far has been the Christian church - not criminals who happened to be Christians but the representatives of that religion - those who claim to have been "called by God"
You concern for the welfare of children doesn't even extend to acknowledging that fact
Sick
The only reason you have brought up this programme is because the main perps were Muslim
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 04:46 AM

"It was about abusive criminals who happened to be Muslims" - Jim Carroll - 05 Jul 17 - 04:21 AM

I see that you are continuing to incorrectly refer to religion as opposed to ethnicity of the convicted perpetrators.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 04:39 AM

"The betrayed Girls appeared on television while I was attending a funeral in Liverpool last month
I caught only part of it, but I watched it in full recently
It was about abusive criminals who happened to be Muslims" - Jim Carroll - 05 Jul 17 - 04:21 AM


That was the drama "Three Girls" Jom - NOT the documentary "The Betrayed Girls" broadcast for the first time on 3rd July 2017.

First Episode of "Three Girls" - 16th May, 2017
Second Episode of "Three Girls" - 17th May, 2017
Third Episode of "Three Girls" - 18th May, 2017


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 04:21 AM

"He said culture was responsible, and he is more likely to know than us"
I don't give a fuck what he said - your remains the mort extreme rcist statement ever made on this forum - every single male Pakistaini culturally implanted to rape children - that's the type of statement that fills exterminbaation ovens andf you put it forward as YOUR opinion "I NOW DO BELIEVE"
THe pair of you prefer to present the act of a handful of criminals as the representation of Muslim culture and totally ignore the centuries of Christian physical and sexual abuse that has gone on throught the twentieth century and is still being revealed - in every Christian denomination and from the lowest Prist to the top of the Christian hierarchy
As hard as you try - that is something you cannot accuse the Muslim religion of
""The Betrayed Girls" for the first time on the 3rd July, 2017."
The betrayed Girls appeared on television while I was attending a funeral in Liverpool last month
I caught only part of it, but I watched it in full recently
It was about abusive criminals who happened to be Muslims
Christian Clerical abuse is about the role of church officers reaping children and their superiors - from the vatican down facilitating tose rapes and continuing to hide the full facts from the survivors.
You are a pair of sieg-heiling racist twats who are happy to use the rape of children to pursue yuour racist agenda and are happy to overlook a much more serious and much more long running atrocity committed by the Christian Church
Hurry away now - you'll be late for your BNP rally
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 03:54 AM

Jim, you will remember Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation.
I frequently quoted him in 2011 on this issue.
He said culture was responsible, and he is more likely to know than us.
That is why I said I had come to believe him and others like him.
(I openly admitted having no knowledge myself on which to base an opinion.)

Why do you still refuse to listen to people like him?
Racism?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08xdh9r
"Documentary about the child abuse revelations in Rochdale and other towns. Featuring the harrowing testimony of the victims and the shocking truth from those who spoke out, this film reveals how it wasn't just the professionals whose job it was to protect the girls who ignored their plight, but others did as well."


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 03:44 AM

Jim Carroll - 04 Jul 17 - 05:17 PM

"I saw it a few weeks ago in Liverpool"


Really Jom? "A few weeks ago" EH? Strange that. The BBC only broadcast the documentary "The Betrayed Girls" for the first time on the 3rd July, 2017.

Ah but of course Jom, you prefer to get your information through dramatized works - so what you saw "a few weeks ago" in Liverpool must have been the BBC's "eye-opening" drama "Three Girls" about the Rochdale abuse scandal - believe me Jom as "eye-opening" as that was it had nothing on "The Betrayed Girls" where those actually involved tell their stories with no punches pulled. If you do get round to watching it Jom, pay particular attention to what is said by Nazir Afzal of the CPS and Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 03:39 AM

Jim, the documentary was first shown on Monday.
You are confusing it with the earlier BBC drama.

nothing to say in defence of the Christian pedos

No.
It is wrong to deal with offenders differently because of who they are.
That is what happened with the grooming gangs.
The white libs (LIKE YOU) refused to take action and "THOUSANDS" of vulnerable children were drugged, raped and whored around the country.

For more than a decade the police and child protection agencies turned a blind eye.

It took a new prosecutor to get something done.
He did not give a shit about "community relations," just about protecting children from abuse that would blight their whole lives and futures.
He did not give a shit about being called a racist because he was himself an Asian Muslim.

You were part of the betrayal of those "Betrayed Girls."
You white libs denied what the children were saying and screamed "racist" at anyone who spoke up for them.
Shame on you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jul 17 - 01:57 AM

I can't fight, but I can still spit, eh Bobad?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 08:23 PM

Your bucket seems to have a hole in it

At least they have a bucket 😂😂😂😂


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 07:50 PM

What's the matter lads - nothing to say in defence of the Christian pedos
How about - "we are the Christians - we hate the Romans" - whoops - I mean "we hate the Muslims"
To be fair, I realise that Muslim and Christian abuse is different
One is carried out by criminals who happen to be Muslims, while the other is facilitated by the church by moving the perp on to another parish and covered up (by the Vatican) for refusing access to church records and carried out by clergymen using their religious status to rape children in their care
Wanna guess which is which?
What a pair of tossers - have you decided which one of you is Laurel and which one Hardy yet?
Your bucket seems to have a hole in it
G'night now!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 05:17 PM

"I was wondering whether or Jom would be watching that documentary"
I saw it a few weeks ago in Liverpool - about the time that the resignation of George Carey, The Archbishop of Canterbury and Archbishop Pell hit the fan following revelations of Clerical sexual abuse of minors - closely followed by the news of historic sexual abuse in Jersey dating beck to WW2 and a string o similar cases in various arts of Britain - all totally devoid of Muslim connections
Tonight there is breaking news of underage sexual abuse among Army Cadets.
Do you Christians feel ashamed?
Why do I doubt it?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 04:38 PM

Hi Keith, I was wondering whether or Jom would be watching that documentary, guess not - too uncomfortable for him by half.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 02:15 PM

More denials more shite with a little "implant" Islamophobia thrown in
Nothing new under the sun
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 10:59 AM

Glad you enjoyed my absence Jim.
Did you watch the BBC documentary "The Betrayed Girls" ?

You should, and you should feel ashamed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 05:21 AM

Ehmmmm Jom, if the activities of one side have not been subjected to a full examination, and have not fully co-operated with the Inquiry then you cannot state the following:

The MASSACRE has been fully examined by an independent body" - Jim Carroll - 03 Jul 17 - 09:16 AM

There has not been a full examination of anything.

"Remind me how long it took to hold an honest enquiry into Bloody Sunday" - Jim Carroll - 02 Jul 17 - 06:24 AM

An "honest enquiry"?? If it had been "honest" one side should not have been permitted to dictate to the enquiry the extent, terms, conditions and restrictions THEY would impose on who could be called and what they could be questioned about - nothing "honest" or comprehensive about that at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 04:56 AM

"So they were hiding something.
"
Of course they are - so is everybody else concerned
What#s your point, apart from castigating one side and ignoring the other
No more agenda driven Black Holes Keith - it was so pleasant without your wheedling and hand-wringing
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 04:40 AM

"Republican paramilitaries refused to co-operate with the enquiry or give evidence."
So?


So they were hiding something.
The whole truth was denied to the enquiry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 03:52 AM

"Republican paramilitaries refused to co-operate with the enquiry or give evidence."
So?
I'm damn sure that our entire justice system is based on finding the truth in a situation where the parties concerned refuse to co-operate - does that make it crap, as Teribus has depicted it?
Why select Republicans?
Are you claiming that Loyalist terrorists put their hand on the Bible and spilled their guts with honesty and accuracy - my arse they did!!
Or the Special Forces who co-operated with them and facilitated killings, or the police, or the judiciary, or the politicians
The facts have been dragged out of every different group involved in this conflict by painstaking and often dangerous research - read Chris Mullins' book onn the Birmingham Six fit-ups, 'Error of Judgement', to see the efforts that went into covering up the truth
Your selectivity is indicative of your partisanship
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 03:40 AM

No insolvent by armed groups have ever been associated with this massacre despite efforts to do so to exonerate the killers

Republican paramilitaries refused to co-operate with the enquiry or give evidence.
Evidence was produced of their presence on the day and of them firing shots.


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