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BS: UK General Election

Raggytash 25 Apr 17 - 10:13 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 10:13 AM

And stabilisers, to stop us going off the rails!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 10:11 AM

I think we're getting into the realms of fantasy there Raggytash...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 09:51 AM

With wheels


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 08:36 AM

when we have a british penguin we can re-design it along more sensible lines. they need to be bigger...possibly 6ft tall. more versatile in their diet. and good conversationalists. probably labour voters...but not heavy drinkers.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 08:07 AM

I might be inadvertently veering too much for comfort towards UKIP thinking..

But somehow I imagine a defensive line of English Penguins guarding the south east coast against foreign invasion..

Like Dad's Army... 😎


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 07:59 AM

I thought bread made birds ill anyway. Why does it matter if they are English?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 07:37 AM

Well Jim, one common example of "liberal fascism" is to categorise anyone who questions the policy of allowing unregulated immigration into one's country as "racism".

You have a whole portfolio of such categorisations which you aim at anyone who dares to contradict your views, or the views of the "liberal" media.

Sometime it does people like you good to be reminded that there are millions, socialist and conservative, who will not accept unreasonable bullshit......because it is deemed politically correct by corrupt politicians or a slavish immoral media.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 07:28 AM

There's the penguin that owned a bank ................


The Northern Rock ...Hopper


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 07:27 AM

A classic book I read when I was young - 'Penguin Island' by Anatole France
Always meant to look for it again and see if I enjoy it as much as I did
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 07:19 AM

'They look too menacing in their black suits. If they could be forced to wear t-shirts stretched over their beer bellies, SS tattoos and union jack shorts you may be on a winner.'

you virtually accused penguins of goose stepping!
as if an English penguin would that ill bred...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 05:28 AM

trust Dave to imply penguins are closet racists

On which planet did that happen?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 03:09 AM

"I Agree Mr McGrath, but "liberals" can also be fascists?"
Utter nonsense - the terms are contradictory
Your use of the dictionary is agenda driven.
Definition
"liberal
ˈlɪb(ə)r(ə)l/Submit
adjective
1.
willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
"liberal views towards divorce"
2.
(of education) concerned with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
"the provision of liberal adult education"
synonyms:        wide-ranging, broad-based, general, humanistic
"the provision of liberal adult education"
noun
1.
a person of liberal views.
"a concern among liberals about the relation of the citizen to the state""

Fascism
ˈfaʃɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms:        authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy, absolute rule, Nazism, rightism, militarism; More
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.
"this is yet another example of health fascism in action"

You have ben asked to define this ridiculous statement in the past - you refuse and will continue to do so

It is totally the invention of extreme right wingers like Anne Coulter and yourself
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 02:44 AM

I Agree Mr McGrath, but "liberals" can also be fascists?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 09:57 PM

the election is a two horse race. probably one, if truth be told.

i thought the penguins were a pleasant distraction. obviously not distracting enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 08:17 PM

The enemy of my enemies is not my friend. I think aken has slipped up on that one. "Liberals" can be foolish, but fascists are poison


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 06:43 PM

Time to drop it, Al.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 06:14 PM

what's going on in the real world

That's "the real world of alternative facts", yes?

And Tailgunner Joe McCarthy was a real laugh riot, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 05:42 PM

trust Dave to imply penguins are closet racists


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 04:57 PM

I think she's VERY funny...and cuts like a knife!

You "liberals" sure don't like to hear what's going on in the real world   :0)

It's happening all around you and you still live in a time warp somewhere between the sixties and the nineties.

I was watching a piece on TV this afternoon, apparently Bernie is the most popular politician in the US......and he's out on the stump drumming up support for the Democrats.....:0)
The bastards tried to do him in during the election, he rolled over and now tries to promote them to American youth.

Give me fuckin' strength.....how dim are US "liberals"


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 01:59 PM

Ann Coulter is pro Israel and refreshingly outspoken

Ann Coulter is an ignorant, loud-mouthed bigoted piece of dirt and a waste of space on the surface of the planet.

You surely have a strange choice of heroes/heroines, Ake.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 01:40 PM

Ann Coulter - a refreshing breeze - coming directly from the outhouse. The bogs. The loo. Capiche?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 01:24 PM

No reason to assume someone isn't antisemitic because they are pro-Israel.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 12:44 PM

"Didn't you bother to read your own link Jim.....Ann Coulter is pro Israel and refreshingly outspoken..."
I did indeed, and I make a point of not believing all I read - I judge her on what she says, not what others say about her
Your refusal to respond to challenges of what she says in a pretty clar indication that you should do the same
Anne Coulter is a racist, fascist bigot - David Duke praised her as being as near to his own views as you could get.
I have long given up expecting an honest response from you but thanks for another excuse to put up yet more of your heroine's BON MOTS   
Can I borrow your copy of Mein Kampf sometime?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 12:22 PM

They certainly don't want to see any more settlements. I'm with them on that.

Marine Le Penne vs Emmanuel Macaroni, eh? Is this a first-pasta-the-post election?



I'll get me coat...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 11:40 AM

Didn't you bother to read your own link Jim.....Ann Coulter is pro Israel and refreshingly outspoken.......I think the Palestinian problem is hugely complicated. Most of the complications seem to have been set up by the corrupt Palestinian leadership who have no wish to see a settlement of the issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 09:59 AM

"ban on burkas to the SS that you will not be visiting France"
If yesterday's election results are anything to go by, France is rapidly heading for my list of no-go areas alongside Turkey and Israel or any State that adopts an officially racist policy
Wonder if Bobad, who constantly screams at "lefties" cares to comment on the possible election of rightist Marine LePen to the post of President
So far, he has declined to respond to Trump's appointment of an antisemite to his inner-circle, or promotion of one of the most hated racist and antisemitic broadcasters, on American television, ANNE COULTER by one of his mates on this forum.
It seems antisemitism is ok with some people as long as it doesn't frighten the Israeli horses
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 09:37 AM

Doesn't seem to be able to speak English either but, again, no real surprise there.

Wibble, wibble, wibble?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: bobad
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 09:33 AM

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 09:07 AM

To be honest it was much more a dig at the type of Brit who chooses to sport SS tattoos, wear Union Jack shorts and support UKIP than anything else. Not that there is anyone like that on here of course...

But, if truth be known, I could not really give a shit about how poobad chooses to misinterpret my post. It is pretty par for the course.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 08:55 AM

As I read Dave's post, the association was UKIP with the SS, not a ban on burkas with the SS.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: bobad
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 07:51 AM

So Dave should we take it from your underhanded attempt to make an association with a ban on burkas to the SS that you will not be visiting France, Belgium or the Netherlands any time soon?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 06:58 AM

Hi

Only 2 certain things in life are death & taxes.

cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 06:47 AM

Well, UKIP have just pledged to ban the burka so I can't see them agreeing to the penguin demand. They look too menacing in their black suits. If they could be forced to wear t-shirts stretched over their beer bellies, SS tattoos and union jack shorts you may be on a winner.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 06:36 AM

We need our own breed of English penguins.

Real Emperor Penguins - the size of real Emporers.

Significantly - none of the parties have mentioned it as being in their manifesto


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 04:18 PM

I don't believe that it would not be possible to get rid of the loopholes, and criminalise attempts to find new ones, if the will was there.

I'd trust a government led by Jeremy Corbyn to have the will to do that. I'd guarantee that a government led by Theresa May will ensure that plenty of loopholes remain available, and more were opened up to make up for any that were closed, for cosmetic reasons.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 01:42 PM

I think few would fault taxation if based purely on ability to pay.
Sadly this is not the case. The wealthy can avail themselves of any number of legal procedures to reduce their tax liability. Those on average or low incomes have no such opportunities. Also council tax is not based on ability to pay, it is based upon the value of the property that one resides in. This is even more unfair than the hated poll tax.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 11:27 AM

"Or a graduated land tax. You can't hide the land or put it offshore. Land ownership is at the root of power, yet no-one made the land."

Aha, EP Thompson had something to say about that I think!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 08:25 PM

Well.. I admit there are areas of my taxation plan that may require a closer look at
and more of a hands on approach to get a better feel of the essentials.... 🙄


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 07:58 PM

Dunno, Kevin. These things are more flexible these days.


Ah, Jeez...😳


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 07:42 PM

So women wouldn't pay taxes, punk. Might be a little controversial.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 04:21 PM

Or a graduated land tax. You can't hide the land or put it offshore. Land ownership is at the root of power, yet no-one made the land.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 02:36 PM

Taxes should be based on cock length...

Most of the worst [if not all] tories are egocentric deluded braggards
so will be bound to lie and exagerate on the self assessment forms...

Hence shifting the tax burden away from those poorest & least able to afford it... 😜


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 01:19 PM

I wasn't railing against tax. Far from it. Just trying to show how we can be hoodwinked.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 09:55 AM

"Taxes are what we pay for civilized society."

            - Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Apr 17 - 09:35 PM

When I pay my taxes that is to enable public services which I value to have the resources they need, and indeed, to exist at all. Those services are my social wage, which has probably been the most important part of my overall wage.

Talking about governments "how much the government takes off us in taxation" is to stand the true reality on its head. Abolish taxation and most of us would be in poverty. I'd be dead, for a start.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Apr 17 - 08:04 PM

There wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for those right-wing ideologues who are so desperate to see income tax reduced. You could say the same about council tax, which is just a blunt instrument for increasing the tax take whilst pretending that you're keeping income tax low. Oh yes, council tax, in theory, allows the victim to explore local accountability, but who really cares? The bottom line is how much the government takes off us in overall taxes. That will change hardly at all, but oh, how easily people are taken in...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Apr 17 - 07:45 PM

What would be the problem with abolishing VAT entirely, and relying on increased income tax to replace it?
...................

As for the suggestion that the only reason anyone would want a more responsiblt job is because of getting much higher payment, that just isn't how a lot of people work. Having more say over what goes on, and knowing you can make a difference is rewarding in itself. In any unpaid activity there is no problem in finding people who are eager to take a leading role.   

Determining which of a number of candidates is best equipped for a leading role is nothing to do with who wants the most money.    There is no reason to assume that by reducing the money you would be particularly likely to eliminate the people who are best equipped to do the job.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Apr 17 - 01:44 PM

"The constant whine about taxing the rich leads ultimately to capital flight and you end up taking in less than you did before, the measure becomes self defeating."

So the rich are holding us to ransom then. Now where have I heard that before...🤔


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Apr 17 - 12:59 PM

I am interested in what those extra streams are that make you think that income tax is a 'tiny fraction' of HMRC revenue, Teribus. Can you elaborate?

Nigel. I know what I am on about. You cannot see it. No point continuing.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Apr 17 - 11:33 AM

NIC is paid by both employer and employee and the Treasury has a larger number of income streams than are shown in your infographic.


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