live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD

Subject: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 28 Apr 17 - 06:14 PM

Do any Mudcaters buy physical media anymore?
Response to notices about interesting CD releases
garner little comment.

For those interested:
there is a huge collection of live/off air material covering
a wide range of music, including folk, blues, rock, country, etc.
from an OBITERDICTUM, issued on multiple labels.

checkout their website: http://www.odmcy.com/catalog/

If anyone has any of their releases of interest to mudcatters,
please let us know.

The one I've heard is a BIG BILL BROONZY/PETE SEEGER concert,
WFMT Chicago - Studs Terkel Almanac 1956. 2-CD's.
This appears to be the complete concert. Excerpts released previously on Lp by VERVE-FOLKWAYS, and XTRA.
Those two albums are not identical.

Best wishes, Thomas.

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Apr 17 - 10:20 PM

Frankly, I don't have room to store physical media anymore. I buy CDs at concerts because I want to support the performers, but most of my music purchases are MP3s now. I do like to have the notes that come with recordings, so I'm reluctant to buy MP3s that don't have access to the notes. I still buy DVDs for movies, because my Internet connection isn't good enough for reliable streaming.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 29 Apr 17 - 12:50 AM

They got the master recordings from various ROIO torrent sites like TTD and Dime, and burn them onto CDs, selling them.

It's bootlegging in a legal way. EU copyright loophole - as you can see, the company is based in Cyprus. If someone did this in the US, it's beyond doubt that they'd be sued.

Jason

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: Leadfingers
Date: 29 Apr 17 - 07:19 AM

I think copying for purely personal use is OK !

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Apr 17 - 08:52 AM

"They got the master recordings from various ROIO torrent sites like TTD and Dime, and burn them onto CDs, selling them.

It's bootlegging in a legal way. EU copyright loophole - as you can see, the company is based in Cyprus. If someone did this in the US, it's beyond doubt that they'd be sued."


... and long may this grey area of legality continue to the benefit of real music lovers....

..considering the abysmal unimaginative vastly overpriced rip off box sets manufactured by big corporate record labels
in response to fan's genuine demand for historic / legacy recordings..

These Euro factory pressed silver discs can be superbly affordable packages..
Not every music fan has time, expertise, or inclination to search & download torrents, etc...

Especially the files secretly shared by 'up their own arses' elite cliques of ego/status driven collectors / hoarders..

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Apr 17 - 03:27 PM

I'd be very surprised if in 5 years time, all BBC radio is not broadcast in lossless "exactly as it left the studio" format.

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 29 Apr 17 - 03:41 PM

fwiw, the Broonzy/Seeger set is pressed, NOT burned CDr, and has
useful notes booklet. Old but ood sound.

Some of the other CDs:
Taj Mahal, Ry Cooder, early Billy Joel, Townes Van Zandt, Bonnie
Raitt, Loudon Wainwright III, ALbert King, J Geils, Dave Van Ronk,
Hot Tune, Cold Blood, Blues Project, Leadbelly & Woody Guthrie,
John Fahey, Muddy Waters, .......

again, if anyone has any of their releases, let us know. Thanks.

Thomas.

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Apr 17 - 04:26 AM

For those interested, on BBC 6 Music from 10am-1pm this morning Cerys Matthews presents some live jazz from the Cheltenham Festival.

ffmpeg commands listed below for 320kbps HLS stream

ffmpeg -i "http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_6music.m3u8" -c copy -t 03:10:00 C:\folder\CerysMatthewsC2017.04.30.ts

Clare Teal presents live jazz from the Cheltenham Festival from 9-11pm on BBC Radio 2

ffmpeg -i "http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_two.m3u8" -c copy -t 02:10:00 C:\folder\ClareTeal2017.04.30.ts

Replace "folder" with name of your location folder.

BBC Radio 3 has "Early Music Late 11.05pm - 00.05am broadcast in Lossless FLAC "exactly as it left the studio" has a concert by Il Giardino Armonico playing 16th and 17th-century European instrumental music - with hopefully no hideous operatic voices!!! The Lossless stream available with Firefox ver53 here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/projects/radio-3-concert-sound

This can be captured in full lossless quality by Audacity which is a free shareware programme.

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Apr 17 - 07:11 AM

I still buy CDs though I'm not going to buy new stuff at full price. I generally listen to them a few times only then they get put away until I rediscover some of them with delight years later. I've downloaded a very few classical recordings and copied them to CD-R. I'm not keen to do that because I can tell that they are mP3s. Great for whacking them on in the car though. One day I'll try to master getting my favourite CDs on to my phone. When it comes to sharing CDs with other people, I've done that very rarely, generally with my kids or just to make backup copies to put in my car, where they get bashed around. One thing I see as a conundrum is selling second-hand CDs. It's seen as respectable, though in a sense it's just as bad as making a copy to hand out to your mate - worse in a way, as you're making money out of the transaction, unlike the artist. Unless there's some system of reimbursement in place I'm unaware of...

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Apr 17 - 10:26 AM

That's interesting because we tend to rest new CDs usually bought at gigs after we've played them to death on our home CD player. I often burn a copy to CD-RW for my fairly dire Nissan Micra factory CD player, which is now well overdue for Halfords replacement!

Some CDs rarely get played again, and others my wife will put out to play again after a few months. Our Christmas CD collection comes out every year, some of which I prefer to be played when I'm out!!!

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Apr 17 - 11:03 AM

Our local library has a grand selection of cds. I borrow three or four a month and if I like them I try to purchase a copy. Buying cds these days can be difficult, so I have, on two occasions, copied the library ones. The artists does not get paid either by me or by the Library. So, yes it is a difficult dilemma. I do buy a lot of second hand cds at charity shops, fund raisers and local second hand shops.
   When possible I do buy new cds but it is near impossible now to find shops that sell them.

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Apr 17 - 12:11 PM

I've had a miserable year, getting on 18 months of ear infections, and intermittent hearing loss..

trying to listen to music was no pleasure...

Since xmas my ears have spontaneously cleared up and normal hearing restored;
so i've been on a very guilty binge of buying CDs off Amazon...

I've got some superb quality headphones..
and I'm buying up CDs of music that was sheer joy to listen to when I was a teenager
and life was new and exciting...
[mostly the pre punk rock sounds of the mid 70s]...

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 30 Apr 17 - 12:15 PM

Do any Mudcaters buy physical media anymore?

I don't.
Short attention span.
I find I'm bored after hearing three tracks by the same performer.
I might play a cd three or four times then it sits on a shelf.

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Apr 17 - 12:27 PM

Sorry you have had ear problems punkfolkrocker and glad that they have cleared up now,

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Apr 17 - 01:52 PM

cheers bonzo.. i've had this on and off all my life..
the intense itching gets worse than the frequent muffled hearing..
I was effectively deaf in one ear from 21 to 28..

it's what curtailed my ambitions to have a full on full time career in bands and studios,
and why I went back to education to do a degree in my 20s..

.. plus I'm a shit singer and guitar player,
and got bored being surrounded by useless unreliable flakey druggies...

I had another go at it in my 30s, with a band that had accelerated success,
until the singer had a druggie breakdown and ran off to Canada to go into hiding...

rock n roll eh..??? it's enough to turn us to accountancy... 😜

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 May 17 - 02:54 AM

Crikey, I used to sing in my band during the 60s, just blues & rock shouting, but it was fairly dire!

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 May 17 - 09:22 AM

The BBC lossless stream test has now ended, so back to the 365kbps transport stream until the Proms start in July - is it?

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 May 17 - 09:40 AM

I remember being an early adapter for the Nicam tests in London back in the 80s...

That was such an amazing technological progression at a time when BBC / ITV were proudly broadcasting regular live gigs.

However I think eventually we found out that nicam still wasn't quite CD quality...???

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 06 May 17 - 08:55 PM

The last commercial CD I purchased was "Black 47" (a USA Celtic band) almost 20 years ago when there title track was aired on radio.

I purchase one or two CD,s every few years from friends who produce.

For a long time, I used "Torrent" and "Nero Burning"
EVERY Thing was available.

At this point in life "streaming" is everywhere.
Why bother.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

CD's are good for background music, in a stereo system, for background music at a dinner party.

Subject: RE: live recordings - FM radio, TV on CD
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 06 May 17 - 09:03 PM

I read perhaps 12 and more different newspaper sources, on-line, in a week, every morning.

I do not pay.

I have no idea how the writers are paid.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

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