BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?

Subject: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Iains
Date: 31 May 17 - 04:41 PM

Is it acceptable behaviour to hold a beheaded bloody Trump head for a photo shoot that was subsequently displayed on the internet?
Is this permitted poetic/artistic comedic license?
Or is it insulting the office of the POTUS and by extension the Country and her military. If so what offense has been committed?

Had it been any other President the outcry would have been deafening.
There is an online petition to have her arrested.

Was Kathy Griffin's apology sufficient.
What sort of mental anguish did she subject Trump's family to, especially his 11 year old son Barron?
Her behaviour is beneath contempt.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: akenaton
Date: 31 May 17 - 04:45 PM

No No....He definitely deserved it for being a Republican, using the word "pussy" and beating Clinton in the election.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Donuel
Date: 31 May 17 - 05:21 PM

Cartoonists should be murdered Ake?
There is a race to go over the top in the competitive business of humor.
Mel Brooks delivered the 15 * OY ten commandments yet we do not scream blasphemy.
The gift of laughter is not appreciated by folks with an agenda for physical revenge.
Conversely physical revenge humor is not appreciated by the vengeful.

Where I am people put nooses on bananas, hang hate posters, stab and shoot each other over the alt right's raison d'etre.

I can't get worked up over a national lampoon photo

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 May 17 - 06:58 PM

Yes, and they should have hung Stanley Holloway for singing "With Her Head Tucked Underneath Her Arm".

Iains, Ake, get a fucking life.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: meself
Date: 31 May 17 - 07:16 PM

I haven't seen the photo, and I'm not going to bother looking it up. It sounds like it's in bad taste - she should be scolded on social media, perhaps reprimanded by whatever organization, if any, that she made this thing for. I saw somewhere that she's been dropped from something by CNN. But arrested? Give me a freakin' break. How about arresting Trump for inciting violence? Not to mention Sarah Palin for getting someone shot .... And how about arresting Kushner for 'forgetting' to mention his meetings with the Russians on his security clearance form?

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: gillymor
Date: 31 May 17 - 07:41 PM

This is the head that gave us covfefe so no big loss.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 31 May 17 - 07:46 PM

Damn right it was. What is he doing to the rest of the world?

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jeri
Date: 31 May 17 - 07:51 PM

Ake, he's not really a Republican. He's an opportunist. They want to claim him, they can.
Griffin's photo was an poor taste, but I guess sometimes, stuff works, and sometimes it doesn't. Big problem, IMO, that it was fake. Everything's fake these days, but that was just the wrong thing to fake.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: robomatic
Date: 31 May 17 - 08:16 PM

Kathy Griffin:

Comedy's clone of Kellyanne Conway

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 May 17 - 08:43 PM

Big problem, IMO, that it was fake.

Its a comedy routine, for fuck's sake. Should it have been "real"???

Not like the serial lies from Trump, Fux News & the rest of those assholes.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Donuel
Date: 31 May 17 - 08:44 PM

Jeri you made me laugh. That was a masterful stroke of dark gallows humor worthy of Bill Maher's writers.


I didn't see the photo either. I do not look at Isis executions either.
If there are people who deliberately view sensationalist dung like that they should know that it may indicate suspicious and disturbed behavior. Stop the damage to your psyche.

I did a cartoon of Barbara Bush giving birth to a fully grown George W Bush. While I thought it was over the top funny many felt it was too painful to view. So was his administration. Yup young Georgie was a handful. But now have bigger baby President.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jeri
Date: 31 May 17 - 09:15 PM

Thank you for getting it, Don. Who knew at the time that it could get worse than Bush?

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 06:45 AM

robo riffing on your clone of Kelly Ann, Kathy griffin, Queen of the B list, should do what Kelly Ann did. She should become a Birther Again Christian and grab alternate heads of Hillary,Schff,Franken,Comey, Leahy,Mueller,Warren,Sanders and more.

This might turn into a partisan war of severed heads.

This Halloween will have record numbers of severed heads no doubt.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 07:06 AM

I hope you are not being serious jeri? Donal John to be decapitated for winning an election......perhaps you are or the wrong side of the Jihadi terrorist issue......they just love decapitation too.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 09:49 AM

You know, I'm used to people making fun of others' names when they don't like them, but I can't understand why you ridicule your idol. Oh well - better, and more ironically you, than anybody else.

I personally think his head's jammed in pretty tight, and I don't it's going ANYWHERE.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 10:33 AM

I'm not making fun of his name Jeri, Donal John is his name, as he is of Scottish extraction it should properly be Donal Ian.

Scots have figured well in the USA story and its great to have a half Scottish president.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 10:38 AM

Surely you meant to say a half-witted president?

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 10:50 AM

Finally a real Witch Hunt.

You know if Kathy had her photo shoot in the Game of Thrones world where she was Cersi Lannister and her body guard knight was holding a vaguely familiar 'Head' it would have been funnier.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 11:11 AM

I don't do GoT, but how about this: Griffin as Perseus, and you-know-who as the head. After this, Pegasus happened, so we have, hopefully, a flying horse in our future. Don't know who should play him, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 11:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJuSuJBH6LE

The young lady in the clip states the case admirably.
Griffin has been fired by CNN and even squatty potty.

Seems some of the bigots here let their hatred of Trump overcome their basic decency and humanity. Sick people.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 11:27 AM

Iains, she was hilarious ! Nearly as good as SNL

I am a lover of good humor

I bet you think she's hot too.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 11:38 AM

its great to have a half Scottish president.

Its great, too, how Trump shits on the Scots and on Scotland every possible chance he gets!

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Iains
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 11:47 AM

Donuel. you get the measure of the man by the manner of his posting.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 11:53 AM

I wouldn't say I hate but I do have feelings such as:

Once upon a time there was an ass hole in a castle white house by the sea
Everyone thought he would be a bigot but no one's more stunned than me.

With the brain of a lizard and heart of a snake
the maniac preys on the souls he can take
His stomach is full but for ratings he's hungry
He'll never be full he's a ego mad junkie
Only the most moral believes all his lies
Born without empathy he can't even cry
His fair weather friends praise him with words
they pledge their allegiance but are treated like turds
He's got more issues than a ton of National Geographic
Some say charismatic but to me he's psychopathic
Those who want to dodge treason use weasel words for a reason
"I would hope" and "the evil press is all fake news"
He's just smart enough to run when confused
he is the devil but washed up and used.
Licentious vile evil and lewd
I asked him why selling secrets to Russia was such a big deal?
Its nyet! It feels like great deal to me, now get down and kneel.
He then commenced a weird Heimlich maneuver
He said It's good to be King, you lousy Loser.



(the rap challenge is on)

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 12:23 PM

you get the measure of the man by the manner of his posting.

Been keeping up with Twitler's twits and twats, have you Iains?

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 03:11 PM

I recall a day when there were informed honored worthy opponents.
Could this be a matter of cognitive disease?
I wouldn't put it past the Russians from using a neutralizer on the entire Trump campaign and Cabinet. They all seem to have forgotten thousands of phone calls and messages.

edit He said "its good to be the King you lousy lib LOU-ZER"

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: olddude
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 09:49 PM

Can't wait for Saturday night live take on it. I do admit it is way over the top. But she has a history of being over the top.. It's just her humor that some people like. I think america has way too much bickering.. She should not contribute to more of it perhaps . I can only hope trump gets caught and impeached but that is just me. It was in pretty bad taste but again it's her trademark. Stuff like bad humor doesn't bother me. I just ignore it

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: leeneia
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 09:44 AM

beating Clinton in the election?

Clinton received 2,900,000 more votes.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: bobad
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 11:02 AM

Retweeted Duffel Blog (@DuffelBlog):

BREAKING: ISIS condemns @KathyGriffin for cultural appropriation https://t.co/Adw077oZEU

RAQQA, Syria — The self-proclaimed Islamic State has issued a statement condemning self-proclaimed comedian Kathy Griffin, accusing her of "cultural appropriation" after she posed for a photograph with a mock severed head of President Donald Trump.

The group, which has been protective of its brand ever since taking over vast swaths of Iraq and Syria and establishing itself as the premier beheading agency in the Middle East, said it was deeply disturbed by Griffin's "ignorant and offensive" use of a "sacred Islamic State tradition."

"This is just another example of a privileged white woman culturally appropriating the proud custom of a marginalized people. Beheadings are our thing, not your thing," said the statement, which was released on Telegram.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 11:11 AM

Not even remotely amusing, Boo.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 12:21 PM

Irony is not a prerogative of the Left.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 12:41 PM

Had it been any other President the outcry would have been deafening.

Tripe. People have used the symbolic violent execution of political leaders for years. Just look at the Lewes bonfires for instance. The only one I can see that kicked up any fuss about any of them were SNP supporters. Probably ake...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 01:04 PM

Bob, I thought it was funny. I suppose whether one thinks it's funny or not has a lot to do with whether that someone hates you or not.
Ake, do you understand what "prerogative" means? Irony is everybody's prerogative. It's also a prerogative of jerks to try to foist a role onto someone, and a prerogative of that someone to go along with it and let people who don't like them to identify who they are. So much respect I've lost for people here, and so little that matters.

I'm thinking that come New Year's, it'll be Anderson Cooper and Kathy Griffin on CNN. She made a bad (IMO) comedy decision, and the only comedians who won't ever do that and are "safe" are ones who are afraid to go anywhere near the edge. In 7 months, it will be water under the bridge, and who knows what the enfant terrible will have most recently done to make the news cycle be all about him.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 01:43 PM

In America we have an unspoken tradition.

We sacrifice comedians. We execute them via religion and political decree and blackball their career.

Some are sacrificed for one word, some for seven. We have hauled comedians before the supreme Court. We cancel their shows vis network control or police action.

Shall I list some? Smothers brothers, Bill Maher, Gilbert Godfrey, Lenny, George etc.

This is a bipartisan activity. Current leftist PC and trigger words are guilty of strangulating comedy.

This forum is a microcosm of the tough crowd found in Amerika.

I bet you can name some comedians who have been vilified.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 02:10 PM

I'm going to completely and deliberately miss the point here. "Comedienne" is outmoded and sexist.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 02:49 PM

Don, most of the time, the sacrifices give more than they take. When it comes to famous people, fame is part of the pay. This is why we all know who the Smothers Brothers, Bill Maher, Gilbert Godfrey, Lenny, and George are, and why we still listen to them. You want to see somebody whose career is permanently dead? Cosby. That wasn't a bad joke that did him in, though. Mostly every bad comedy decision is forgivable.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 03:07 PM

Ya know, if Twitler can't stand the heat, perhaps he should get the hell out of the kitchen.

You wouldn't have heard Truman whining about this sort of nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 08:23 PM

I seldom read this kind of stuff anymore but I am glad I did. bobad... I haven't laughed that hard or long for a dog's age.

As for the cartoon... it's a cartoon. As for the cartoon traumatising any children, let alone the children of the idiot that just pulled out of the Paris climate accord and, well, too many other things to mention, look at the news any given day and look at the pictures of truly traumatized and DEAD children... starving children. Those are not cartoons. Give your heads a shake and see if they rattle.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 11:12 PM

I'm glad you said that gnu.
Its part of the reason I don't post my cartoons into the Cretin sea of critics.

Jeri, you really have insights and help me think things through with different eyes. So do many others but there seems to be an ego barrier that stifles idea exchange among some very bright and rational folks.
It wouldn't be because I am a black Muslim Mexican liberal would it?

Iains, what no rap challenge?
Hey are there no rappers here? I bet punkfolkrocker can rap.
I suspect Rap can too.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: michaelr
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 02:26 AM

That fake ISIS statement is hilarious. Folks, you've got to admit that is satire at its best.

When I first saw the Griffin pic, my reaction was "The Queen came through!"

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 04:12 AM

It sounds like one of the oldest forms of political comments, satire, is getting to Trumps sycophants, who appear to have given up on trying to defend his appalling behaviour - are you people totally unaware of the work of Gilray, or Punch, or Gerald Scarfe?
I take the Times (for my sins and for Codeword) and for several years have been subjected to grotesque personal attacks on Jeremy Corby since the day he took office
As the el;ection draws hear those attacks get more intense and Corby becomes more of a deformed, half-witted caricature
Down the ages, the Irish have been presented as Frankenstein monsters and apes by our humourists - not as individuals, but as a race - Charlie Hedbo did the same with Muslims.
A beheaded Trump - if only!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 04:41 AM

There's someting somewhat grotesque in reading Ake's protests about political satire when you reacall his defence of the right's favourite wet-dream, Anne Coulter, who proposed (satirically, of course) "poisoning "liberal" opponents of Trump"
For outrage, read censorship
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 07:11 AM

I've lost interest in this rubbish, anyway the really big shock horror story appears to be Donal John's typo....."Oh my God" say the "liberals"...Its worse than "Pussygate", he must be really dumb, in fact he's so dumb there wouldn't be any point decapitating him, but we would love to do it anyway because he won the election fairly and democratically...the bastard!!

Now, I read most of what's printed on here and contained within it are loads of typos...I do them myself.....but I never denigrate members over it, even Jim, who's fleck filled posts are almost indecipherable to the untutored eye.   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 08:50 AM

"I've lost interest in this rubbish"
I doubt if anybody is interested in your attempts to support political censorship while praising it to the skies elsewhere because it is in line with your own fascist agenda
You find my postings indecipherable - go join a night-school class - nobody else seems to have a problem
None so slow at understanding facts as those who find them uncomfortable
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 12:08 PM

Jim right wing nuts already feel insecure in their knowledge compared to nerd libs.

It is reasonable that wing nuts know deep down they are smart but if they were just a little smarter they might understand the real issues and become a dreaded Democrat Hillary lover - good heavens NO


None of us need be fond of a President but we do need to trust them.



michaelr,
What if Trump takes the Isis satire serious and counter sues them?
Donald "I will not have a beheading GAP !

An oil painting of Louis the 16th with a vague Donald hair style and resemblance of a 70 year old fat guy is calling for me to paint. I see the subject in the jaws of a guillotine with the bratty smile on his face. Familiar DC architecture is on the left and right with familiar celebrated Democrats and Republican faces in the crowd.


How about a novel about a lady vampire named Melania biting an old guy who then lives forever and does the evil intents of the Russian Vampire Clan.

I would call it True Schlub.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 12:56 PM

Or "The Great Putzby".

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 03:16 PM

"None of us need be fond of a President but we do need to trust them."
Sorry Don - this bit beyond me completely unless you missed "no further than you can throw them"
Their position demands neither trust nor respect and in this case, this prickeen has neither.
I'm with philosopher dodgy-knees - yo need a lantern to find an honest politician
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 05:22 PM

They have the ability to order your children to die, to order the deaths of many other people. Maybe YOU don't think you should be able to trust someone like that, but... maybe that explains why we have the political leaders we have. People don't expect much from them.

Even the ones I think are dishonest, sneaky bastards have, at least, some concern for public opinion. So we can trust them not to do something unbelievably stupid.

I don't trust Trump to not shoot himself in the foot. I hope that those surrounding him will crawl out of their safe little hidey-holes and stop him if he decides he wants to nuke N. Korea.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 06:09 PM

I was not fond of Hillary but I trusted her not to create more ground wars in Asia or alienate NATO or exchange favors with Russia for private oil investment windfalls.

In God man Sachs we trust: to lie cheat and steal but that is a given.

The ticket I was hoping for was Sanders-Warren.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 07:14 PM

Look at who started and who first responded to this thread - haters, both of them - obtuse when it comes to facts of any issue and that pretentious application of "Donal John" name by ake - is so cloyingly affected that he shoots himself in the foot every time he uses it.

Hurrah to Jeri's remarks about comedians not playing it safe. As the Trump family piles on Griffin, we'll have to see how long it takes her to wiggle out and back to secure footing, but she just made herself totally relevant again. Perhaps she'll host SNL when it returns in the fall.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 08:05 PM

I don't trust Trump to not shoot himself in the foot.

With any luck, he'll manage to shoot himself in the head, and not a minute too soon.

Quistion is, how many innocent folks will he take with him?

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 06:57 AM

"Hurrah to Jeri's remarks about comedians not playing it safe. As the Trump family piles on Griffin, we'll have to see how long it takes her to wiggle out and back to secure footing, but she just made herself totally relevant again. Perhaps she'll host SNL when it returns in the fall"

This from someone who calls the OP and myself "haters"...now that is ironic.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 10:23 AM

So Iains ans Ake, the humor in this one seems to be in how you've now switched positions to be fond of "political correctness".
Whose ox, I supposed.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 10:35 AM

There's a big difference between "political correctness" and the promotion of terrorism....or at least the toleration of such.

The most telling fault? That it was not in the slightest funny.

Is there anyone crass enough to admit that they thought it was?
It was of course done as a promotional gimmick which fell flat, never really intended to raise a laugh.

Most left wing "comedians" seem to be in the same trough

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 10:56 AM

"political correctness" and the promotion of terrorism.."
How does "poisoning Trump's enemies" fit into this and who is promoting terrorism - only answer if you're "not busy" or if you "understand the question" of course.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 10:58 AM

A reminder.
"We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee," Coulter said"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 11:18 AM

For the record
"and the promotion of terrorism." - "Most left wing "comedians" seem to be in the same trough"
It is off-the-wall lying that fucks up these discussions
Terrorism is almost entirely the domain of religion which Ake permananly "shall I, shan't I" agonises about and right-wing nutters like Breivik and Assad, who our hero has already declared his support for
"The left" do not support terrorism in any way shape or form.
What's the point of making statements like this if they are not designed to destroy the open discussion he has not long said is necessary for these subjects?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 11:20 AM

I'll never forget a comment I heard live off the radio from Boston, about a different President, but applicable as never before:

"President __________ couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel!"

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 11:31 AM

Jeri. If you check the record you will find that griffin said she would not bother going for Trump, she would go for Barron. That is about as sick as it gets. That is why CNN and other venues decided to drop her.
Now she bleats she is being bullied. Perhaps you support her going for a child as your hatred of Trump rules out any other considerations?

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 11:51 AM

Nope, that's not it. You're now supporting political correctness. It's not about funny/not funny as I don't think it's illegal to make a bad joke. "Promoting terrorism" is sort of like "promoting racism" or "promoting sexism" or you-name-it.

It's about whose ox is gored.

She'll be back, but... she's not "gone" if the "conservatives" have a big bunch in their panties and can't stop talking about here, is she?

You somehow think that being controversial and talked-about is bad for a comedian?

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 12:03 PM

I think this particular "comedian" has psychological problems, I didn't know she had included the wean as well.

The hatred seems to be pretty deep Iains, when these people stoop so low......the irony is that they purport to be liberals ....tolerant in every way....as long as it's their fucking way!

As I have been saying for years, these people are a real menace.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 12:13 PM

And your accusatons of the left supporting terrorism remain unqualified lies
"As I have been saying for years, these people are a real menace."
Exept the ones who advocate "poisoning liberal judges" of course
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 12:27 PM

Or Trumpists who encourage assaulting reporters, of knifing Muslims & Mexicans or............

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 12:30 PM

Jeri. You miss the point entirely. Any public figure is wide open to criticism, abuse, ridicule. It goes with the territory. When it involves their children I believe a line is crossed. As do those that have cancelled her engagements.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/06/02/flashback-kathy-griffin-happy-deliver-beat-barron-trump/
If you feel that the above is legitimate target for comedy, I pity you.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 12:32 PM

Greg, Please do not give us further proof of your stupidity.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 12:35 PM

Sorry, Iains - that Brightfart screed is about an off-hand comment over five months ago. Try to keep up, will ya? How's that Lee-Enfield holding up, by the way?

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 12:36 PM

Please do not give us further proof of your stupidity.

That's TRUMP'S stupidity, not mine, Boyo.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 12:37 PM

I'll let you boys play on with Jim, as he likes a good bit of trollishness. It's getting too desperate and silly in here for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 12:39 PM

Oh, and for the record, I'd bet Kathy Griffin could probably take Barron.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 01:58 PM

Ms. Griffin's attempt at humor may have seemed cruel and barbaric but at least we can be fairly certain she's never ridden to hounds.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 02:06 PM

It's OK for Coulter to poison liberals but outrageous for Griffin to behead Conservatives. I think we can now all see where ake's loyalties lie. Socialist my arse.

Whoops. Sorry. Said arse again. He will get all excited again now.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 02:58 PM

Greg F. Try to engage your brain and get the synapses firing. The fact that Griffin stated publicly she would go for Trump via Barron, long before the severed effigy was held up for public view, just goes to demonstrate how perverted her so called humour really is. If you think that is admirable,it merely demonstrates the kind of person you are- like those that would put the rights of foxes above those of children.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 04:22 PM

Keep it up boys, Trump is ecstatic to have this new shiny object distract you from his income taxes, from James Comey, from his free passes to all of his corrupt cabinet and White House staff to keep participating in their special interest activities and not sell off their conflicted investments.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 06:04 PM

Well said, Acme. I'm gone...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 06:20 PM

"I think we can now all see where ake's loyalties lie."
Bit more than that Dave
Ake would "see to" anybody who says anything that he disagrees with
Doesn't get more fundemental than that
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 06:31 PM

You've completely lost sight of this kind of abuse of power: Lobbyist Ethics Waivers for Trump Administration.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 06:34 PM

The fact that Griffin stated publicly she would go for Trump via Barron, long before the severed effigy was held up for public view, just goes to demonstrate how perverted her so called humour really is.

Not at all - it demonstrates that you are incapable of logical thought and prefer to subscribe to paranoid conspiracy theories - for which no evidence exixts; e.g. "correlation does not imply causation".

Now, about that Lee Enfield .303.............

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 06:38 PM

The old fraud who vowed to "drain the swamp" is replacing it with a cesspool.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 06:54 PM

Now now, he never said what he was going to DO with the drainage....

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 09:01 PM

Good cartoon premise Greg. I see a pipe from K st. , Russian Embassy and US Treasury draining into a Cyprus Bank Trump account.


We laugh at our dark partisan humor, they laugh at theirs but what I see with a telescope of time is everything that Iains and Ake say about liberal comedians is WORD FOR WORD what Nazi sympathizers said about the Jews in 1938 Germany.

If freedom of speech is a menace, as Ake and Iains say,
they should not practice it.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 02:50 AM

Don, please try to be fair......the picture under discussion cannot be referred to as freedom of speech. It has gone beyond the pale, into the realms of incitement.
As a long time opponent of Mrs Clinton and her views on foreign policy I would never condone the publishing of a photograph containing HER severed head as a trophy.

The comments by you, Acme and others here bear no relation to the liberalism which you say that you promote.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 03:14 AM

"HER severed head as a trophy."
Just an incitement to poison those you disagree with
Obviously you prefer poisioning to beheading.
You always have regarded opposition to Trump as undemocratic incitement - that's wy you refer to us who oppose your views as "liberals" defined by you as "fascists".
You really would be the shape of things to come if the likes of Trump and LePen were unopposed and allowed to have their way.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 04:14 AM

Just to put Griffiths's cartoon in CONTEXT
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 04:21 AM

Greg F

"Not at all - it demonstrates that you are incapable of logical thought and prefer to subscribe to paranoid conspiracy theories"
Even with your unique brain processes I fail to see any link between what you posted above and my discussion of A severed head of Trump and the threat to get at Barron instead of Trump. Your statement is an unsubstantieted fiction. mine documented fact.
Did you mean to post your comment elsewhere?
Are you on some illegal substances?
Do your demented ramblings finally mean you have lost the plot?

Answers on a post card please.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 06:57 AM

Iains
Political Satire has long been a means of expressing opinions about those you don't like or agree with and censorship has just as long been a method of quashing those opinions
You and your ilk have whined about suppression of opinion in countries whose governments you don't support yet here you go objecting to voices against monsters like Trump
The Third Reich would have offered you pair jobs for life.
I ask again - why is it permissible for extremist right-wing satirists like darlin' of the Klan Coulter to propose poisoning opponents and not one satarising the beheading of Trump?
This is the sick double standards of the extremist right gone viral.
It is 'conspiracy theorish' in the extreme to suggest that Griffin was being anything other than satirical and the day you ban satire, you have a fascist state
Please stop talking down to people - you really aren't a bright-enough button on the SS uniform to do that convincingly
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 07:43 AM

Jim if you think that I am talking down to you then you obviously have a severe inferiority complex accompanying your spittle flecked rants.
   By the way Jim Carrol quotes:- "Pilger is one of the word's leading journalists"
and
"Pilger's article makes sense and his reputation for honest and unbiased reporting as a HIGHLY QUALIFIED AND RESPECTED JOURNALIST with masses of international experience stands him in good stead."
How do you explain his Syrian narrative differing so greatly from yours?

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 08:41 AM

I won't be seeing the image either.

But given the rhetoric from the man himself he cannot hold the moral high ground.

violence begets violence. Inane stupidity, begets inane stupidity. By his own mouth we hear him threatening all sorts, for him this is looking in the mirror!

Maybe the commedienne is aiming too high, or we think she should be talking bollocks!

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 09:06 AM

"Jim if you think that I am talking down to you then you obviously have a severe inferiority complex"
You talk down to everybody Iains - a noticeable trait from day one
" spittle flecked rants."
And you don't even have the imagination to invent your own invective - that's one of Terib=us's inventions gradually being taken up by his motley crew of jackals
None of you have had either the bottle to tackle those "spittle flecked rants" or supply information of your own though Ake has had the honesty to admit his dyslexia as say he doesn't understand the massed of documented evidence I have linked to
Grow up for ***** sake - your childish behaviour is beyond belief
This is a debating forum - not a primary school yard
"How do you explain his Syrian narrative differing so greatly from yours?
"Do I really have to defend something that is a world-wide fact accepted by Governments, press repots, eye-witness accounts and human rights agencies alike and dates back a few decades
Syria is a terrorist state that habitually used torture and murder to maintain control and sytematicall massacred its people on the streets of Homs and elsewhere - we know the latter 'cause we watched it happening nightly on tele
How do you explain that all you have ever come up with comes from a website set up by a Russian oligarch?
Jaysus - it really is like being in a schoolyard
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Iains
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 09:41 AM

Jim stop babbling inanities and just answer the question. If Pilger is such a font of infallible reportage, why does his Syrian narrative differ from yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 10:10 AM

"why does his Syrian narrative differ from yours."
It doesn't
Nowhwre does Pilger deny the atrocities that are taking place in Syria - he points out that there have been attempts by the west to undermine Syria as a multicultural society for decades
A little different from from your denying that the State terrorism has een invented
Perhaps you might link us to anything that Pilger says which remotely coincides with your claims
This is what Pilger said on Assad's use f chemicals - not denials jut putting it into context
"Whether or not Bashar al-Assad or the "rebels" used gas in the suburbs of Damascus, it is the US not Syria that is the world's most prolific user of these terrible weapons. In 1970, the Senate reported, "The US has dumped on Vietnam a quantity of toxic chemical (dioxin) amounting to six pounds per head of population".
I have seen generations of young children with their familiar, monstrous deformities. I have seen them in Iraq, too, where the US used depleted uranium and white phosphorous, as did the Israelis in Gaza, raining it down on UN schools and hospitals. No Obama "red line" for them. No showdown psychodrama for them."
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 10:53 AM

This is a summing up of what Pilger has to say about Syria - a simple comment of the DOUBLE STANDARDS being applied
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 01:22 PM

Iains thinks ad hominin means "with hominy grits"

No it doesn't, it is what you do with all your posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Kathy Griffin comedienne?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 04:08 PM

Is there a hint of Kathy Griffin left in this conversation?