Horrendous tower-block fire in W London

Subject: RE: Horrendous tower-block fire in W London
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 08:54 AM

The bureaucracy is acting in accordance with the decisione of political masters. The system of sanctions was imposed by politicians. The cruelty is not an accidental consequence of bureaucracy. It is what has been intentionally imposed for reasons of ideology.

Subject: RE: Horrendous tower-block fire in W London
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 09:12 AM

McGrath.. My diverse experiences and 'insider' knowledge tends to lead to that same conclusion...

Subject: RE: Horrendous tower-block fire in W London
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 09:26 AM

Just as an anecdotal aside...

1986, after realizing I'd be an inadequate social worker, I moved to East London to pursue my arty farty aspirations..

As was standard practice I used my qualifications to get a civil service day job.. in the DHSS...
and my real world experience with claimants was considered an asset..

Clerical Officer I recall was the job grade, one down from degree level, but easiest to get interviewed and employed quicker....

Day 1 induction for our new batch intake, and start of training to be a front desk benefits officer...
2 months later still all of us in the classroom training to memorise, understand & apply all the regulations...
Then the rules were changed overnight, and we had to start training all over again from scratch..

I never saw the front desk before I left after a few more months of training later, resigning in frustration & relief,
to start my post grad Arts & Ideology course in a central London Higher Ed College...

Subject: RE: Horrendous tower-block fire in W London
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jul 17 - 09:24 PM

Newest twist to the nasty story about the official response to the people who somehow survived thus holocausr - the announcement that in order to encourage survivors to come forward, there won't be any problems if their immigration status is in question. To last for the next 12 months. At the end of which they can look forward to being deported.

Sometimes the viciousness of our rulers takes even me aback. I really didn't think they could have it in them.

And yet I am pretty sure there'll be the odd voice here defending this decision. Talk about extremists...

Subject: RE: Horrendous tower-block fire in W London
From: Iains
Date: 08 Jul 17 - 04:07 AM

DM of Harlow.If they are illegal immigrants why should they stay? Is a bank robber entitled to his loot after being caught?
What a totally perverted sense of justice you have! Please justify why a law to keep illegals out should be flouted.

Subject: RE: Horrendous tower-block fire in W London
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Jul 17 - 05:53 AM

MGOH's post and Iains response reminded me of a conversation I was party to when I was working up in Glasgow. During the General Election campaign of 1992 in the days of the "Poll Tax". A Labour Councillor was defending those who had refused to pay their "Poll Tax" while at the same time he was roundly condemning the Government for lack of funds (He seemed to miss the point completely that the reason the Council was lacking funds was because people were not paying their "Poll Tax"). At the end of his little speech he was asking people what they thought and how they would be likely to vote. To my surprise someone I knew who was a Conservative voter said that he would most certainly be voting Labour and that because of what he had just heard he hoped Neil Kinnock and Labour were elected to Office. The Councillor was rather astonished at this "epiphany" and thanked his newly won convert to the cause. To which the life long Tory explained, "Oh no I have not changed my political views but it would be idiotic of me to ignore such a financial opportunity. You have just explained to us that you and your party commend and fully support those who are blatantly flouting the law by not paying perfectly legal taxes. If Neil Kinnock and Labour win this election I will elect to refuse to pay any income tax and I will expect you and your Party to back me to the hilt - after all if one section of the population can pick and choose what laws they wish to ignore - then everyone should have that right."

Subject: RE: Horrendous tower-block fire in W London
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jul 17 - 08:52 PM

As I said And yet I am pretty sure there'll be the odd voice here defending this decision. Talk about extremists...

And the reason to avoid despairing about humanity is that the Katie Hopkins brigade really are "the odd voice". Even if it sometimes seems they aren't.

Subject: RE: Horrendous tower-block fire in W London
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Jul 17 - 03:48 AM

MGOH - You were asked what I thought was a reasonable question:

"If they are illegal immigrants why should they stay?"

Why have you chosen to ignore it? And what other laws do you believe we should all just ignore?

Subject: RE: Horrendous tower-block fire in W London
From: Iains
Date: 09 Jul 17 - 04:26 AM

"As I said And yet I am pretty sure there'll be the odd voice here defending this decision. Talk about extremists..."

So an extremist is a person that believes in the rule of law? A typical retarded view of certain of the left. One can easily see how the latin sinistra evolved to become sinister. What a funny little world mg of h inhabits. Tell me do you wear shorts and sandals and hug trees as well?

Subject: RE: Horrendous tower-block fire in W London
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jul 17 - 06:26 AM

The anomaly that you point out Iains, is not confined to the views of Mr McGrath, who is IMO a thoroughly decent person, but pertains to the whole of the "liberal left" who live in a world of make believe, sustained by an all encompassing view that every political ill can be laid at the door of the Conservative Party and those who are stupid enough to support them.

In reality WE are the masters of our own destiny and must seek unity to produce a better society.....at present the biggest impediment to that is a corrupt media who thrive on conflict.