BS: Labour wants to confiscate property

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:55 PM

Iains sems to be spending time trawling the right wing nutter blogs for clever prefab insults and scripted arguements...

Perhaps, instead, he could tell us the legal reasons preventing 'benevolent' mega rich property owners from voluntarily providing short term homes
in any nearby habitable buildings they posess for investment...

Just think of the positive PR the first one to step forward could exploit...

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:23 PM

I suggest a box of tesco Rocket Lollies

Nooooo - How will my Morrisons profit share go unless you stick to buying Morrisons lollies. Even us Trotskyists enjoy a bit of capitalism you know!

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:40 PM

Why keep it going like that Jim? There's been a horriying act of corporate barbarism, with hearbreking stories still coming out about it. Indulging in a squalid little slanging match with a couple of people who aren't worth a moment's attention is a bit like joining them in spitting across a grave.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:41 PM

uh oh.. morrisons and tesco lolly lickers about to square up for a rumble..

its mods and rockers, skins versus punks, tories versus bolshy oiks, summer madnesss all over again...

Must soon be time soon for a thunder storm and the flying ants.... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:50 PM

The flying ants will hopefully come out when Corbile is rolling around with abbott woman!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:53 PM

Traitors. All true lefties buy co-op lollies.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 04:08 PM

Have you any idea how obnoxious your statements about an intelligent and successful woman such as Dianne Abbott are Bonzo? Just pack it in or be shown up as a misogynistic racist as well as a complete knob.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 04:20 PM

So punky rocker you think all the sources below are right wing nutter blogs. Did you ever pay attention in school?
D the G as usual suffering comprehension problems. Perhaps all the good socialist sources such as the BBC and Guardian are peddling false news or perhaps you simply made up your responses.
Steve shaw totally unable to counter my arguments so resorting to his usual blustering and attempted bullying.
Jim Carrol unable to comprehend how the real world operates, where all are subjected to due process and the rule of law.
Now boys read the links carefully and try to refute my arguments with reason and please try to explain to me how any of comrade corbyn's recommended actions can be fulfilled legally within any meaningful timeframe If you cannot do this please try to stay quiet while others try to counter my arguments.
Corbyns exact words
" "Occupy, compulsory purchase it, requisition it, there's a lot of things you can do," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/15/jeremy-corbyn-empty-homes-owned-rich-should-requisitioned-grenfell/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/18/labour-emergency-house-seizure-laws-could-ease-grenfell-tower-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/18/jeremy-corbyn-urges-people-occupy-empty-homes-supporters-plan/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/empty-homes-owned-by-overseas-investors-should-be-requisitioned-to-rehouse-grenfel
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40303142

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 04:50 PM

If you prefer you can watch the interview in "Peston on Sunday", round about 9:20 minutes from the start. Now you are entitled to form your own opinion of course but while those words were said it, is part of a longer discourse saying it cannot be beyond the wit of us all to cone up with solutions to rehousing these people. I suggest it would be more productive to hear Iain's and Terebus' proposals for a solution
To my ears Corbyn was saying there must be ways and here are some. If they can't work for some reason, let's come up with others.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 05:01 PM

Perhaps all the good socialist sources such as the BBC and Guardian are peddling false news or perhaps you simply made up your responses.

Well done, Iains. If you had done your homework you would have found that my quote comes from your very own bible The Daily Heil.

So, are they now a good socialist source?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 05:20 PM

"Have you any idea how obnoxious your statements about an intelligent and successful woman such as Dianne Abbott are Bonzo? Just pack it in or be shown up as a misogynistic racist as well as a complete knob."

I sure do appreciate your appreciation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 05:50 PM

"Did you ever pay attention in school?".. what a silly attempt at being patronising...

.. but yes thanks...

I was one of the council estate kids who passed the 11 plus..
At Grammar School I learned much to my academic benefit and personal development from the good teachers..

.. and also learnt much about human nature from observing and being humiliated & clouted by the sadistic right wing bully teachers..
[one of those teachers was years later arrested for boy buggering..]

thanks for reminding me... ah school summer holidays... lollies and snogging girls...

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 06:07 PM

I'll patiently point out to you, Iains, that you started this thread with a raging polemic against Jeremy Corbyn. Your first post made no reference to the practicalities or legalities of what Corbyn was suggesting might happen. It was a vicious attack on his personality and integrity from a dyed-in-the-wool Tory. After a number of posts which all condemned the inhumane nature of your rant and which pointed to the fact that you were blatantly protecting the very rich from attack, you tried to save face by switching your argument to the impracticalities/illegalities of Corbyn's suggestion. That represented a far greater piece of snake-twisting than what you accused Corbyn of. You lost tbe argument, you were sorely embarrassed, so, instead of backing down like a man you tried to change the subject. No bluster this end, no bullying from me, just pointing out what any sane person reading this thread can easily see for himself or herself.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 06:19 PM

"Iains sems to be spending time trawling the right wing nutter blogs for clever prefab insults and scripted arguements..."

OK then pfr start the process whereby those properties can be legally "requisitioned" then tell us all when the first former tenant of Grenfell Tower would be able to move in - give us your best guess - where are you going to house them in the meantime?

Like Corbyn you're very good at knocking things, but not so hot when it comes to finding real answers to problems.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 06:34 PM

Terry - Have I at any time even suggested the properties should be taken unwillingly from the owners...???? [clue: 2 letter single word answer...]

Do I have a naive belief in the goodness of the human heart
and that rich property investors might do the right thing and voluntarlily offer their nearby habitable empty buildings for short term temp emergency housing...???

well.. we can dream.. yeah right...

But I have made that sarcastic suggestion at least twice in this thread...

BTW.. yes I do knock things... inhumane hostile arsehole tory attitudes.. most definitely....

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 06:39 PM

BTW Terry, have you been mentoring Iains.. is he your heir apparent at mudcat..???

his writing style, belligerence, and limited blinkered horizons merge almost uncannily with yours ...

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 06:48 PM

Ah like Corbyn then pfr - no answer at all - so why castigate Iains for actually pointing out the obstacles that make a nonsense of Corbyn's idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 07:06 PM

Tezzer - oooh you caught me in a cleverer trap...

errrmmm.. oh no you didn't..

Have I been castigating Inanes for blathering on about the law, and other distractions from the key moral issues raised by this catastrophe..??

No I've, not I've been having a fair pop at his shite attitudes that underlies his need to come here stiring up arguements,
at a time when many UK citizens have been respectfully observing the crosss party truce of reflecting on the things in common that unite us,
rather than divide us...

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bugsy
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 09:02 PM

There'll soon be no oxygen left on mudcat at this rate! In the meantime, has anything been done to rehouse these people?

Bugsy

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 02:55 AM

" has anything been done to rehouse these people?"
Noy yet Bugsy, thogh someone has suggested that they be given accommodation in vacant property
You can see the likely Tory response to that one on this thread
All politicians (up to now) have to be thumb-screwed and racked before they do something about the messes the help create and when the solutions affect those they represent, in the case of Kensington and Chelsea, the weaalthy and privileged, they are happy to see the piles of charity donated by the lesser well off and the halls full of survivors sleeping rough.
Hopefully, that will change - it was encouraging to see the people taking to the streets immediately after the fire - that is the the type of thiing that will bring about an appropriate solution.
Our papers are full of it at present - in a week or two they will have found a Royal Wedding or a dog show to fill the front pages
That really is why it is necessary to have a government which cares enough to handle these things compassionately and practically
I'sd tend to steer clear of people who describe immediate solutions like housing homeless people in vacant property as "a party line".
I have family in Somerset who told me of local government officials during the flooding instructing the flooded-out farmers to "Go away and don't come back - we can't do anything for you".
I sencerely hope they don't get away with it here
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 03:19 AM

Some are being housed in self catering student accommodation about a mile away.

County Clare is nice this time of year, as is Bude - Offered any holiday accommodation Carroll, Shaw?

Only problem is Jom is that what you describe as "immediate solutions" aren't. The reasons why have been explained a number of times now quite clearly. Oh and a bit less emotive twaddle - none of the survivors are "sleeping rough", if they were it would all over the world's press let alone the UK media.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 03:29 AM

"Offered any holiday accommodation Carroll, Shaw?"
Why should we do the job of the people whose job it is to provide accommodation for the victims of a fire which was quite likely to have been caused by establishment greed and neglect (it was the K and C Council who thratened legal action against two of the victims when they raised matters of safety.
Shipping refugees across to Ireland because the local authorities don't want to frighten the horses of thee rich
Yout stupidity and inhumanity appears to run neck and neck in this particular Tory point-to-point, so please don't stop providing us with examples of current establishment thinking
" none of the survivors are "sleeping rough","
"SLEEPING ROUGH"
More "made-up shit", no doubt
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 03:56 AM

Teribus, the whole point is that people want to be rehoused in the borough. Sure, if it was me, I would go to County Clare like a shot (unfortunately my Irish ancestry is two generations too far back to qualify me for citizenship). But they don't want to move away from their community.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 04:18 AM

I think Corbyn was just coming up with ideas that might be possible.

Regardless of whether it would prove practical in this instance, I think the idea is a good one in principle. There will be other disasters, "man made" or "acts of god" and I would favour the government establishing where long term vacant property could be used and, if needed, creating legislation to ease any such usage in future.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 06:38 AM

Ah Jom what a good little "socialist" you are - quite willing to demand that others "share" - completely different when it comes to sharing what you own.

Very true it is for the Council to rehouse the Grenfell Towers survivors - let them get on with it. I presume that that housing is required now - requisitioning houses, compulsory purchase and the rest of Corbyn's daft ideas take a great deal of time - so that is of no help at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 07:30 AM

"Ah Jom what a good little "socialist" you are - quite willing to demand that others "share" -"
And what an obnoxiously dishonest person you are by ignoring the fact that you have just landed your foor squarely in your mouth and ignoring the facts that contradict your stupid statement
What kind of an inhuman moron describes providing relief for a monumental disaster like this fire as "sharing"
THERE A LARGE NUMBER OF EPTY BULIDINGS IN THIS BOROUGH WHICH COULD PROVIDE ADEQUATE ACCOMMODATION FOR THOSE LEFT HOMELESS - TO REFUSE TO DO SO IS SICK INHUMANITY IN THE EXTREME
Isn't it a good job people like oui weren't around when the Jews were fleeing Nazism - Hitler might well have been able to notch up a few more million to his score
This is predatory inhumanity on speed
Thanks for sharing your philosophy so frankly
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 07:51 AM

I'm afraid Mr Corbyn was playing politics at a very delicate moment.
I think it will turn out to be a costly mistake.

I'm hoping for a proper socialist system in the future when we have begun to understand our position in the world, this sort of posturing undermines the credibility of would be socialist leaders.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 08:01 AM

Jim, you seem to be deeply embedded in the 1940's....how "old" are you, and isn't it about time you pulled back the blackout screens?

There is a whole new world out there, colour no longer matters, the Union barons and their cannon fodder have left the field, the profit motive is winding down, you need to work on a new vision for humanity.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 08:25 AM

"Jim, you seem to be deeply embedded in the 1940's....how "old" are you, and isn't it about time you pulled back the blackout screens?"
How dare you quesion age or my ability to reason you little squalid
In yopur cowardly manner you respond to nothing but throw stone like this at a safe distance
Personally I am delighted to join this pair - a full house of extremist right-wingers displaying their inhumanity - who could wish for anything more?
Kindly have the balls to respond to the points I have made
If you7 ever quesion my sanity in this way again I shall demand your removal from this form
Pleasew do not infect this site with your Trumpist fascism
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 08:40 AM

This is 2017... a lot of right wingers on the interenet [ and here ] seem to be embedded in the thinking and rhetoric of 1917...

There are far right idiots who are convinced the labour party are planning a coup, a revolutionary storming of parliiament and buckingham palace...

These dangerous far right activists are acting on their sad delusions as if they are reality,.. plotting and planning their own counter revolution..

dangerous idiots... madness..

Reading links to shit sites like guido's linked in this thread by one or our own rightist fruitcakes,
then following further links from there,,

soon enough we find anti social postings by far right extremists
who would probably happily agree with a deliberarte nstrategy of burning out then deporting the residents of central london tower blocks...

Hysterical fantasy...??? not mine... but reality of 2017 far right attitudes and dogma fueling hate crimes...

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 09:46 AM

It would be perfectly possible to pass the required legislation tomorrow, after the Queen's Speech, and people could be moving into decent places in Kensington before the weekend.

That won't happen, not because it couldn't happen, but because the will to do it is lacking.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 10:03 AM

colour no longer matters ... the profit motive is winding down

Ake, please seek psychiatric help immediately.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 10:03 AM

I don't question your sanity Jim your posts do that all by themselves.
I was simply observing that you are living in the past...in political terms. Your rhetoric is stale and outdated.

As far as stature goes, you have no idea whether I am small or large, you are just being your personally abusive self.

I cant be bothered responding to every thread which repeats the old worn out excuses for you having nothing pertinent to say.
I'm amazed that your opponents here have the patience to indulge you.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 10:19 AM

"
I don't question your sanity Jim your posts do that all by themselves."
You are lying - thuiis is not the first time you have been warned about your unacceptable behavior
The last time you speweed your vitriol over several members
Your cowardlky behaviour on this forum is unacceptable
If you believe my views are outdated you have every opportunity to put alternative ones - you refuse becaus4 you are "too busy"
Instead you employ a hit and run technique of making your outrageous statements then riding back to the safety of your anonymity.
Of voure I have no idea of your statute - you skulk in the sshadows so nobody knows who you are and from there you target us all with your extremism
Homosexualls, humanists.... and now victims of a hrroific fire all fall within your sights.
Nobody can do anything aout your horrific views, but the conditions of being a member of this foru aqllow us to make these personal attacks on our age and sanity
One more time - that's all
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 10:47 AM

Simple question Ake
Iains has opened this tread to condemn Corbyn's suggestion that vacant property could be used to how refugees from a horrific fire
Teribus has joined him in supporting a suggestion that you describe as "living in the past" and you joined this pair by throwing your hat in that particular ring?
Can you say why you feel it is wrong to move survivors into property that is not being used and can you tell us exactly what obligation, if any, the Kensington and Chelsea Council has to these people.
Sorry to impinge on your obviously invaluable time but you do seem to have enough of it to hurl abuse at those who don't agree with you
I look forward to your reply but I won't hold mt breath
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 01:08 PM

I don't think it is wrong per se, I think it is impossible to accomplish legally as well as throwing up many complications when setting a precedent. It would take far too long to bring out new legislation which would never pass through parliament anyway.... I am quite certain Mr Corbyn knows that full well and as I said is simply paying politics.

I am disappointed in Mr Corbyn for the use of this tactic and his attacks on the Prime Minister especially at this time when all our energies should be going into the effort to make Brexit a success.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 01:16 PM

Accusing the leader of an opposition party of "playing politics" in a crisis..

is a bit like accusing a trauma surgeon of "playing doctoring" in that same crisis....

or a victim liason worker "playing interefering busybody"...



or a..... yeah ok .. get the drift..... 🙄


all folks payed to do a job, with a purpose, at the highest professional level...

... in a crisis...

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 01:19 PM

it's Corbyn's job to propose and suggest ideas that could be taken on board in any discussion about short and long term solutions...

...but not necessarly May's job to listen...

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 01:22 PM

Waffle Ake
It is an emergency and perfectly possible to be dealt with by passing emergency regulations
It is a disgusting suggestion that it is a "tactic" for Corbyn to suggest the use of readily available accommodation
It is bad enough when admitted right wingers make it, but it is ludicrous when somebody who claims to be a Socialist (and describes anybody who disagrees with him "liberal" which you defined as meaning "fascist") does so.
It is a statement totally devoid of compassion and humanity and shows an incredible ignorance of politics to boot
What makes you three monsters tick it totally beyond me
You have chosen your friends very ell
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 01:29 PM

Jom I dare say that there is empty property all over the place, only problem is that it is owned and the owners of that property are protected by laws, which if you remove, set up all sorts of dangerous precedents, that could ultimately lead to you getting turfed out on your ear. That is why Kevin's rather idiotic notion that it could be brought in overnight is complete and utter nonsense.

By the way Jom, why didn't Corbyn put this (Seizure and requisitioning of vacant properties) in his manifesto as a means of solving the problems of the homeless - I would imagine he didn't because he knew it wouldn't fly, so why did he grandstand with it just because there was a fire?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 01:43 PM

"only problem is that it is owned and the owners of that property are protected by laws"
Ony problem is that there are hundreds of people desperately in need of accommodation following this fire and if our leaders are incapable of passing emergency measures they are not fir for purpose

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 02:20 PM

still waiting for a benevolent property owner to step up and voluntarily offer his habitable empty buildings for short term emergency housing...


wouldn't even begrudge him the wave of exploitable positive PR
and an honour or title from her majesty rewarding such a public gesture of charitable goodwill.......

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 02:21 PM

It's fascinating to see the contracting attitudes of the haves and have nots to this tragedy
To lesser well off queue up to offer blankets, food and any relief they can manage while the better off whine about "compensation" and hide behind laws before they will allow their empty property to be used
I hope nobody ever drops a big bomb on Britain - 'Lord of the Flies' wouldn't compare to the reversion to savagery that would take place in those circumstances
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 02:50 PM

"contracting "
Contrasting - bloody spellcheck!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 03:03 PM

"there are hundreds of people desperately in need of accommodation" PERIOD Jom, there always has been, fire or no fire, my questions still stand - Why was this "solution" for the homeless not in Labour's Manifesto? Why is it only considered as a "solution" for those made homeless by the fire? Why did Corbyn chose this incident to attempt to score political points in the midst of tragedy?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 03:07 PM

There Ya Go PFR

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 03:52 PM

I am still waiting for all you leftards to tell me how comrade corbyn's compulsory purchase, occupy and requisition will work within a meaningful and legal timeframe. Your silence on the subject rather confirms the view he is just a grubby little grandstanding politician with no morals and no scruples. And if you are going to comment try and be realistic and take account of the real world we inhabit and not that socialist bubble that only exists within a brainwashed mind.

So Shaw, d the g and carrol you can try to bend it twist it shake it and whatever other contortions dave, deee, dozy, beaky, mitch and tich got up to bur the fact remains corbyn is nothing but a cheap rabble rouser encouraging people to break the law and suggesting totally impractical solutions. He should be ashamed of himself.

Seems the express agrees with me.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/818581/London-fire-Grenfell-Tower-Jeremy-Corbyn-accused-trampling-over-bodies-victims

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 04:43 PM

Alex Jones couldn't have said it better. Michael Savage, perhaps.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 04:52 PM

Greg F Is that your idea of a meaningful contribution? or just a barely comprehensible attempt to troll.As usual.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 05:05 PM

Greg, you forgot Glen Beck. That's OK everyone has.