BS: Labour wants to confiscate property

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 08:35 AM

"If you can't win the argument you can at least attack the man."
The argument speaks for itself, what you can't do is inject humanity into someone who apparently been immunised against catching it
Iains is quite capable of insulting - he came to this forum dishing it our and has continued ever since
Easily confirmed or disproved - 'It's all in the book' as the old song used to say
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 08:34 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNDdBY5sKAU

His singing is of the same standard as his politics.

No doubt he sang the following as he had just been re elected.

"
    The working class can kiss my arse
    I got the foreman's job at last.
    You can tell old Joe I'm off the dole
    He can stick his Red Flag up his 'ole!. "

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 08:27 AM

Stan - but is he a man... ???

and not just a truculent man-child....

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 08:07 AM

There is no argument. There are two half-arguments separated by a fault line once Inanes realised that being inhuman wasn't going to go unnoticed.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 08:04 AM

Oh, is it supposed to be serious? I assumed it was mocking the wild exaggerations of some of his opppnents.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Stanron
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 07:34 AM

Well done guys. If you can't win the argument you can at least attack the man.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 07:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sxAnejb9bs

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 06:55 AM

I have a theory about the 16 year gap, PFR. Back in 2000 Iains senior had a passing interest in folk music and made a few posts here. His son was then born and he lost interest due to family commitments. Move forward to April 2016 when Iains senior bequethes his old laptop to his 15 year old son, whom we shall call young Iain. Young Iain finds Mudcat in dad's browsing history and the cookie is still set. Young Iain decides to try to wind up the old folks on there using decidedly poor manners combined with youthful arrogance.

Most of the posts come across as those of a stroppy teenager so it makes sense. Picture Harry Enfield's 'Kevin' beavering away on here in between masturbating over his latest unreachable fantasy.

I reckon I am right :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 01:15 AM

Masochist: Whip me, please!
Sadist: No. :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 06:28 PM

Stop flogging him, Dave? But he seems to love it. I thought I was helping him! Damn!!

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 06:23 PM

Now I think this dead horse has had sufficient of a flogging

I think he is right, Steve. Better stop flogging him. I think it is only motor response now.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 05:26 PM

You're belly up, Inanes. You could stop now, but be our guest... 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 05:20 PM

I imagine I would try to use the patches that fit.

That pair there seem to fit qhite well. They illustrate a contrast between words that are moderate and well balanced, and words that are the reveres.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 04:36 PM

Like I said..... its a cult. You can't reason with Scientologists either.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 03:58 PM

"Crucially", "I want to make this absolutely clear" that I agree -

"A wonderful example of a typical lying, double dealing, twisting snake of a politician demonstrating his contempt for freedom and property that his knee jerk reaction to the tragedy is to resort class war…"

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 03:31 PM

M of H
Tell me, are you equally selective when making patchwork quilts?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 03:10 PM

Jeremy Corbyn's words that set this off were ""The ward where this fire took place is, I think, the poorest ward in the whole country and properties must be found – requisitioned if necessary – to make sure those residents do get rehoused locally."

And here is iain's cmment on those words: "A wonderful example of a typical lying, double dealing, twisting snake of a politician demonstrating his contempt for freedom and property that his knee jerk reaction to the tragedy is to resort class war…"

No need for further comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 03:00 PM

Shaw."Er, going for the jugular big-time, I'd say.."

Had I been exaggerating I would agree with you, but sadly I was not.
Now I think this dead horse has had sufficient of a flogging, unless you are a masochist of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 02:19 PM

let me put an end to all this controversy.

Tomorrow night Jeremy 'Coshboy' Corbyn is going round to Keith's with the heavy mob and demanding all his money. and if he has any sausages in the fridge - Keith better watch out. WE won't leave him with a sausage.

Watch out for DEnnis 'Scary' Skinner and his lead pipe.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 02:07 PM

It gives them a shared sense of identity & purpose

Rather like a cult. And you know how difficult deprogramming can be.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 01:20 PM

The reason I guess why so many internet right wing blockheads write in a similar stylistic manner, utilizing the same vocabulary..
mudcat included..

[heaven forbid the same individuals behind multiple IDs..nooooo...]

..the reason I guess is they crib, copy 'n' paste from the same scripts issued by their favourite fanatical internet star bloggers...

It gives them a shared sense of identity & purpose, that they can recognise and agree with each other,
give their peer group members a wink and a pat on the back [or arse.. it's the 21st century after all..]

..and saves them the hard work of original thinking...

But how on earth they think they can influence and convert ordinary forum members with their comical deranged rantings....???? 😕

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 12:51 PM

"Shaw I do not have to go for the jugular, the man condemns himself by his own actions"

So what was this in your opening post then?

"A wonderful example of a typical lying, double dealing, twisting snake of a politician demonstrating his contempt for freedom and property that his knee jerk reaction to the tragedy is to resort class war…"

Er, going for the jugular big-time, I'd say...

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 10:37 AM

There's a distinction between having conservative beliefs and supporting the current Tory Party. The essential conservative belief is that change should be viewed with suspicion, and probably be avoided unless it can be demonstrated to be an improvement or at least not made things worse. It baically comes down to "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

That has always seemed a very sensible attitude, which should be shared across the political spectrum. There can of course be wide differences about what changes are needed, and what things are broke and need fixing, and how to go about doing that, and that is the basis of reasonable political differences.

The present Tory party is set on going in completely the opposite direction, "neoliberalism", imposing radical changes without recognising the damage they cause. This is based on a radical ideology of commitment to privatisation and to rolling back public controls over the activity of private and corporate enterprise.

Confusingly many decent people with a conservative orientation do not seem to recognise that the existing Tory party does not represent their beliefs. Or perhaps in some cases they are hanging on supporting the party in the hopes that it might return to its principle, in the same way many people hung on in supporting Labour during the New Labour years.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 09:21 AM

Sen - btw.. the tory party likes you to continue voting for them..

but they don't particularly like you...

It's a harsh unforgiving party that refers disrespectfully and disdainfully for voters like you
as "red tories", "tory wets";
and whatever new insults their old bully boys club can conjure up
to marginalise & dismiss 'soft hearted' caring conservatives....

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 08:24 AM

Sen - back in the early 80s I was studying a Humanities based degree called something like "Concepts of Belief & Ideology / Ideas & Society"

Thatcher was our generation's enemy, and her policies were biting hard.
On my home council estate factory workers were bribed to buy their homes at a very low discount - we could tell which, because they replaced their front doors and / or paited them any colour they liked to express individuality and ownership.
Then within a couple of years the factory was allowed to go into administration,
and all these new mortgage holders found themselves suddenly redundant and unable to keep up payments...

Wonder who snapped up multiple cheap houses on the estate at auction....????

Anyway, back then we still differentiated betweeen new ruthless greedy amoral thatcherites,
and what seemed in comparison like a 'golden age' of old fashioned christian philanthropic Conservatives...

... just saying...

I believe you are the compassionate kind of conservative,
with the potential to be convinced one day to at least vote Liberal or Green, if not Labour...???

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Howard Jones
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 08:07 AM

Compulsory purchase can be used to acquire property temporarily, this is often done where land is required during construction of a project but is not needed afterwards. My meaning was that if properties were requisitioned temporarily then compensation might be based on rental value rather than sales value. This would still be far higher than the cost of renting ordinary but acceptable accommodation.

There is a well-established basis for calculating compensation, with an appeals process if it can't be agreed. Determining value isn't the issue. My point is that if upwards of £644m is to be spent on assisting the victims, it is a nonsense to spend it all on requisitioning luxury properties when perfectly good accommodation could be acquired for a fraction of that, leaving the rest to be spent on tackling other problems.

As for using these properties for future council accommodation, are you really suggesting that a council should spend millions on a one or two bedroom flat to house a single family in luxury, when for the same money it could house several families in perfectly good quality accommodation? Or that it should indulge in property speculation in the hope of making a profit when it sells?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 06:37 AM


The other issue is the cost. Requisition is not confiscation, and compensation at market value would have to be paid. According to the Guardian the value of empty property in Kensington and Chelsea is around £644m. Owners might also be entitled to claim for other losses, and have their legal and professional costs paid.   Even if they were only taken temporarily the rental cost would be many thousands of pounds a week

I agree it would all be difficult to work out. That's partly why I think Jon Freeman's suggestion of preparing the groundwork now for the next disaster is interesting.

Compensation is more difficult. Certainly compensation would arise for damage and restoration of fair wear and tear. But I don't see how rental values come into it because these properties are not being rented out - if they were, the council or other body would just be renting them. Being compensated for loss of rent you were never charging seems odd to me.

But there is another benefit that seems to be being overlooked as well. By purchasing these flats the council continues to own them. So eventually they can be used a council housing more generally, or resold. Either way, there is a benefit to the council over and above the immediate crisis.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Howard Jones
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 06:29 AM

I have been reluctant to join in this discussion as feelings are understandably running high, and I don't really want to get dragged into a slanging match. However, leaving aside the moral and political arguments, there are considerable practical and legal difficulties with this suggestion, and these can't be overlooked.

If Parliament is sovereign it could presumably pass emergency powers to allow property to be requisitioned. It might also be able to legislate to short-cut the usual CPO process to allow this to happen quickly. However the target here seems to be luxury properties, owned but not occupied by the wealthy. I doubt Corbyn has in mind seizing empty properties where the owner is, for example, in hospital or temporarily working elsewhere. It would be difficult to frame legislation in such a way which would single out rich people's property that would not be discriminatory and contrary to human rights law. It would be wide open to legal challenge, and the people it is aimed at are well able to afford to challenge it. The delays this would cause are alone probably sufficient to make this unworkable.

The other issue is the cost. Requisition is not confiscation, and compensation at market value would have to be paid. According to the Guardian the value of empty property in Kensington and Chelsea is around £644m. Owners might also be entitled to claim for other losses, and have their legal and professional costs paid.   Even if they were only taken temporarily the rental cost would be many thousands of pounds a week. The victims have other urgent needs besides housing, and money has to be found to address these as well. £644m+ could go a very long way.

It would almost certainly be both much cheaper and much quicker for the government or local authority to rent or purchase empty properties of an acceptable standard which are already on the market. To spend more than is necessary to acquire luxury properties to make a political point is not a sensible use of public money, which would be better spent addressing the victims' other needs.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Senoufou
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 06:26 AM

Well then I suppose my sister is rare as hen's teeth too. She's worked for the NHS as a consultant anaesthetist all her working life, and is now retired. She's a practising Christian (and I mean practising) does no end of charitable work for various world health organisations, donates liberally to schemes such as well-digging and setting up African women in small businesses, has given untold amounts of dosh to untold numbers of worthy causes, volunteers in her village as a counsellor for people with difficult emotional problems, and like me ....


she's always voted Conservative!!!!

My father was brought up in an extremely impoverished community in North Shields. His family had only oil lamps and an outside earth closet. They cooked on coal with a black pot on a chain. My father started work at fourteen. His people had been miners and fishermen. He always worked hard in his free time doing handyman jobs for the elderly free of charge. He was renowned in his Norfolk village (where he retired to be near me) for spending every minute of every day redecorating the village hall, taking old folk to the supermarket, gardening and installing extra electrical sockets (he was a qualified electrician among other things) for all his neighbours. When he died, there was no room for all the folk who arrived for the funeral. They had to stand in a huge crowd outside. A plaque in his honour was erected in the foyer of the village hall and is still there to this day. And.......

he voted Conservative all his life!!!!!!

(Large flock of hens strut past, gnashing their teeth...)

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 05:57 AM

Here is a clipping from THe Guardian

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"It's so unfair," said Maria, who was reading the news in the Evening Standard with two neighbours.

She bought her flat two years ago for a sum she was unwilling to disclose. "We paid a lot of money to live here, and we worked hard for it. Now these people are going to come along, and they won't even be paying the service charge."


Nick, who pays £2,500 a month rent for a one-bedroom flat in the complex, also expressed doubts about the plan. ...

"I'm very sad that people have lost their homes, but there are a lot of people here who have bought flats and will now see the values drop. It will degrade things. And it opens up a can of worms in the housing market."

====

I would be interested in hearing whether Iain and Terebus agree with Maria and Nick. As yet, while both have complained extensively about Corbyn's ideas, neither has as far as I can see actually offered any of their own. So finding out what they thought about a solution that is under way could be informative.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 05:30 AM

I'd be genuinely interested in understanding how one can reconcile conservatism with compassion and empathy

Let's take an example.

"A slightly different case is that of businessman John Timpson, who is the controlling shareholder in an eponymous chain of shoe repair and key-cutting stores that dot shopping malls across England. Over the past six years Timpson has donated 478,000 pounds to his son, Edward, a Conservative member of parliament, via his company, Timpson Ltd, records show" (reuters)

On the other hand they have always had a policy of accepting ex-offenders as employees, which you might think a bit 'bleeding heart' leftie thinking.
"We pay our colleagues as much as we can afford rather than as little as we can get away with"
"Timpson really are an equal opportunities employer. We consider anyone for our vacancies as long as they are able to do the job. This includes ex-offenders and other marginalised groups."

These are not just empty words: it can be backed up by seeing how many ex-offenders they have compared to other businesses.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 05:21 AM

Shaw I do not have to go for the jugular, the man condemns himself by his own actions,
This is the man that wants to extend the right to buy to private landlords, to have a garden tax. and an economic policy presumably based on pennies from Heaven
There were many practical steps that could have been taken immediately after the fire to have instant results.None of Corbyn's soundbites could have been initiated immediately as has been stated.
Please continue trying to spin excuses!
I have a few items that below that can help you remain divorced from reality.
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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Stu
Date: 22 Jun 17 - 04:48 AM

"Does this make me as rare as hen's teeth?"

I think it might ;-)

I'd be genuinely interested in understanding how one can reconcile conservatism with compassion and empathy. I don't see modern conservatism as being in the slightest bit compassionate, in fact to my mind it represents the politics of self-interest and is quite divisive by nature.

As for the Brexit thing, I put it in there for devilment and nothing more. All I want to do is survive it, I can't say I want to live in the country we're going to become though. I'm tired of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 08:29 PM

his blatant distortions and misrepresentations of reported statements, and his presumptions of certain guilt based on the flimsiest evidence...

Sounds like one of Trump's advisors, don't he?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 07:36 PM

Inanes seems very fond of the law...

Just wondering what my old Law lecturer would make of his blatant distortions and misrepresentations of reported statements,
and his presumptions of certain guilt based on the flimsiest evidence....???

Let alone his hilarious hyperbole and sneering invective....

Not sure if my lecturer would have scrawled big red crosses over every page of Inanes essays,
or recommended a career as a lawyer for an exclusive wealthy corporate clientele...????? 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 06:49 PM

Oh dear, Kevin - those pesky facts again!

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 06:33 PM

Jeremy Corbyn's words that set this off were ""The ward where this fire took place is, I think, the poorest ward in the whole country and properties must be found – requisitioned if necessary – to make sure those residents do get rehoused locally."

There was no suggestion of confiscation, requisition was suggested as a possibility if that became necessary. It was an extremely moderate suggestion. It could have been a pre-Thatcher Tory talking.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 05:50 PM

Shut up, akenaton. You don't count. Inanes, you DID interpret Jeremy's words in your very first post and you went for his jugular. Good for you. But you were out for pure character assassination only. But when we exposed you as a defender of the very rich, who in your view have the inalienable right to "enjoy" their empty investment properties, while the poor and homeless (the unwashed, in your words) could go hang as far as you were concerned, you sharply changed tack in order to show how Jezza's ideas were totally illegal and impractical. A completely different argument. So, it's not us spinning. I'm sticking very doggedly to your original point (I can be quite good at that) as I'm a simple man. All the spin and evasion is coming from you. Inanes, you are a laughing stock. I recommend another sixteen years of silence. Failing that, let's carry on having fun with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 05:01 PM

From Steve
"I don't agree. A Tory is a Tory. Toryism is defined by greed and self-interest."

I don't think there is such a thing as "Toryism", if you mean "Conservatism" it is certainly not defined by greed and self interest. Your definition would sit better on the acolytes of Mr A Blair, ex Prime Minister of the UK, warmonger and leader of New Labour.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 03:36 PM

No you don't need to explain the meaning of those words but I think you need to learn the meaning of context. For instance you refer to Comrade Corbyn regularly. I take it from that that you are both members of the same party?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 03:10 PM

..but he's our buffoon and much more likeable and capable than any of your interchangable buffoons...

..who've you got lined up for the rest of this month's tory leader.. and next month's... and next........ 😜

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 03:05 PM

D the G I do not have to interpret corbyn's words, they are self explanatory. You can spin away till you get dizzy but the meaning of
occupy, requisition and compulsory purchase mean precisely what they say.There are no variable degrees of meaning. I was being kind to those like yourself that have a total inability to understand plain english and were attempting to tone down the reality of his statement.I gave sufficient links to show that any other interpretation is flawed and that your hero st corbyn of clusterf**k meant every single word that he uttered.
As I said previously he is a buffoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Senoufou
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 02:56 PM

Oh dear Steve. Never mind, I love you too! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 02:46 PM

Of course Corbyn meant it. We need to whatever is needed to ensure that these properties can be available for the survivors of Grenfell Tower.

And since Labour is not in power, the people in a position to do it are the Tories, and the hope is that they could be induced to act to open up someficient property to meet that need.

It seems to have worked in a very limited way though the end of July is far to long to wait. What appears to have happened if the government have done a deal with a developer that means it can unload these flats in advance, which is very convenient. And I am sure that the developer will be getting very generous terms.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 02:35 PM

"...but I agree no-one should be pigeon-holed merely by their political allegiances,"

I don't agree. A Tory is a Tory. Toryism is defined by greed and self-interest, nothing else. Certainly not by the lame excuse that Tories are somehow more competent in government. They are clearly not, as recent events have demonstrated. Tories look after their own, no-one else. A brexiteer is seriously misguided. A Tory brexiteer, even worse. You may be a very decent Tory for all I know. I worked in schools for many years and I never met a decent Tory that was on the side of the kids or of the profession. If you're a decent Tory you'd be the first one I've ever encountered. OK, I lived in a northern slum for my first ten years. I come from northern working class stock, and all my mum's side are from that dirty old town. That dirty old town, along with many other dirty old northern towns, was full of hard-working people who were kept poor by Tory exploiters. It may not be the northern powerhouse now but it bloody well was then. There are no good Tories and never will be. Sorry, Senoufou. I love you anyway!

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 02:02 PM

Iains - we are not shooting you because you are 'the messenger'..

we're having a pop at you becuse this thread of yours only exists, was started and founded entirely in antisocial right wing 'hate ideas'..

Please stop trying to play the innocent,
that's a tactic well recognisable from one of our favourite mudcat old righty adversaries.
It never works for him either..
We see through it...

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 01:54 PM

that was in reply to David Carter (UK)

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 01:52 PM

I'm just idly riffing on a theme while dinner cooks..

But WE could expect a greater level of preparedness and competence from our govt here and now in the 21st century,
past lessons having been learnt and all that...

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Senoufou
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 01:49 PM

Thank you DMcG, my last post was rather tongue-in-cheek, but I agree no-one should be pigeon-holed merely by their political allegiances, educational standard or any other factor. One thing I've learned over my long life is that each person is an individual, but the similarities are what we should look for and focus on.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 01:49 PM

I think that view is seriously mistaken

Ahhh. So now we have the crux of the matter. You believe you know how to interpret Corbyn's words better that others. Well, that is fine. If you have an opinion feel free to state it. But remember that is all that it is. Just like my opinion is that you talk through your arse.

:D tG