BS: G.B. and N.I.?

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 03:27 PM

Well Shaw I see you have an endless talent for making a fool of yourself. Please continue!

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 03:14 PM

I know that people one either side of any discussion are often accused of being irrational etc etc ..........

However when one individual actually names a person in their post who has not even contributed to the thread in any way, shape, size or form, one has to consider whether any of that persons posts are valid.

I refer to:

"Note to Gnome and to Raggy in this context the phrase "the beginning of time" is merely an expression - it does not mean literally from the beginning of time). The very first thing they embarked on having won their "independence" was a civil war"

Dave, up to that point had not posted to this thread at all.

Teri-towelling attacked him without reason.

Make your own minds up !

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 03:12 PM

"Perhaps you should waste some time pointing out your running mates atrocious spelling."

Or I could point out your atrocious punctuation in your missing out a crucial apostrophe. Or that there is no such construction as " multi talented."

Cast out the plank. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 02:52 PM

The result of Brexit on Irish exports will be considerable if a hard border is imposed by the EU
http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/majority-of-exporters-travel-through-britain-to-ship-goods-overseas-35517444.html

http://www.politico.eu/article/cargo-food-production-producers-brexit-burns-irelands-british-bridge-to-eu-markets/

http://www.budget.gov.ie/Budgets/2017/Documents/An_Exposure_Analysis_of_Sectors_of_the_Irish_Economy%20_final.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 02:41 PM

Dave,
If the EU dictates to the Republic that it must have a hard border but Dublin says no,

The same as would happen if a member state wanted to close its border to free movement of labour.

It can not do so and remain a member.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 02:29 PM

I guess we will never find out why you decided to involve me in an argument that I was never part of then Tezzer. Probably better not knowing I suppose. If you deign to enlighten us it may warrant a response. Otherwise there is nothing more to say on the matter.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:58 PM

Keep it up boys. So a grammarian as well as a biologist Shaw.What a multi talented buffoon you are. Perhaps you should waste some time pointing out your running mates atrocious spelling. It almost equals his arguments.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:53 PM

Laugh away "emoji" Steve - "irregardless" IS a word that has been in use for about a century. God you must have been a useless teacher.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:41 PM

"Irregardless"

😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:41 PM

Do you not get tired of displaying your idiocy Iains?
The question of Ireland leaving Euraope hase been a matter of debate for at least the 19 years we have lived here
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:38 PM

"The article is 16 hours old."
AND THIS ARTICLE IS TEN MONTHS OLD
and this one eight months old

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:19 PM

Opinion articles are not news, Iains. Jim referred to old news, which that sort of bleating is. Hope this helps.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:11 PM

You are talking rubbish as usual Carrol. The article is 16 hours old.
The Irish government is worried about the downside of brexit.
http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/varadkar-reveals-the-seven-key-risks-brexit-poses-for-irish-life-36083257.html
even the gruniard repeated the article. Your own little socialist newspaper Shaw. He is also an economist, not a biologist so probably a little more clued up on the realities than your goodself, who always lets ideology over ride common sense.
With Brexit completed Ireland becomes marginalised and goods exported through the UK could attract dues for using the transport network.
The last figures I saw gave only 1% of trailer traffic shipped direct to mainland. Europe.
Until the details of brexit are settled all things are possible and Ireland will be directly impacted irregardless.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 12:34 PM

You should have carried on reading, Iains. The first eight or nine comments below the article (that's as far as I got) make a damn sight more sense than the apparently rabid, fantasy-world europhobe who wrote the article.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 12:30 PM

"Someone must be getting very worried to produce this article."
That's been a debating point since the British decision to leave last year
Old news with little support here here.
There have always been opponents of membership - pity for them that Ireland, of all countries did so well (with The Celtic Tiger) until greedy bankers ***** up the economy.
We have our predatory classes same as everywhere else
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 12:17 PM

From the Irish Times. Someone must be getting very worried to produce this article.


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-ireland-should-seriously-consider-irexit-1.3202154

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 11:51 AM

""the beginning of time""
You, in your usal inaccurate manner, introduced the phrase into this discussion by suggesting that they first started fighting each other
"The very first thing they embarked on having won their "independence" was a civil war."
The didn't win their "independence" they won a partitioned Ireland imposed on them at gunpoint, that was what the Civil War was about - a direct result of the Empire clinging onto its former holdings - plenty of other examples of that happening - the partitioning of India lad to one million dead and fifteen million displaced.
You are usually the first to object when people use terms like "the beginning of time" yet here, you here you go excusing yourself for doing similar
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 11:42 AM

none of us have a clue what will happen after brexit. my own feeling is that it won't happen. i don't think the present government is committed to it.

i hope Ireland will become a united country.

i'm fully acquainted with with Liverpool catholic perspective. My Aunt Rose was a headmistress there. She may have taught you Jim. A fierce woman.

Having heard her, i think that's the main reason i think things MUST change before things can move forward> God help anyone who had to negotiate with her.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 11:10 AM

You tell me! I have never been involved with any such nonsense.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 11:05 AM

Tell me Gnome what has an explanation of the use of the phrase "the beginning of time" and advice that it must not be taken literally got to do with Ireland?

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 10:35 AM

I was wondering where all the arguing had gone. I'm disappointed in you, lads. I thought we had learned not to let Keith lead people by the nose to where he wants to go again? Anyway, I have just spent an unpleasant 20 minutes or so wading through the mire and would only make these points.

First

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Teribus - PM
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 03:44 AM

...(Note to Gnome and to Raggy in this context the phrase "the beginning of time" is merely an expression - it does not mean literally from the beginning of time). The very first thing they embarked on having won their "independence" was a civil war.

I have made no comment on this thread until now and I have not been involved in an argument about the troubles in Ireland of any era. Why bring me into it at all?

Second, on a more general basis.

If the EU dictates to the Republic that it must have a hard border but Dublin says no, then who is going to police that border? Can anyone see EU troops manning the checkpoints against the wish of the Irish government? Should be interesting!

Finally, I suspect that if the moderation team are drawn to read even a tiny part of this thread I believe it will have a very limited life.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 09:33 AM

"it doesn't have to be India/Pakistan."
Too late, I'm afraid Al
It has been suffering the Post Colonial Blues since independence
The Brits, having had their arses kicked firmly out of the Cointry, decided to maintain an interest by leaving six counties in a 'safe pair of hands' in the sahpe of a viciously sectarian party - "monsters, but our monsters' - the u.S. attitude ato all despotic regimes sympathetic to their own interests
As a people, the Irish are extremely tolerant and friendly to all - it takes the politicos and their marches and displays of 'superiority' to drive a wedge in between them
That was how the six counties were governed - an unequal society where a substantial majority were regarded as second class citizens.
The Civil Rights protests began peacefully enough but were directed through mobs of screaming mobs of bottle-throwing thugs - hence the violence of the 1970s/80s
It is simplistic to put this down to religious differences - it had far more to do with maintaining political power than it did which brand of Christianity people favoured.
I know this from personal experience living in an from English city where people worked sisde to side for 363 days of the year, but were divided into hostile clans by arrogant displays in the second week of July
Try walking down Netherfield Road or the dock area then and you took your safety in your hands
That is what I was referring to by the bowler hatted, besashed "little men"   
The balance in the North East has now levelled out and with the aid of Brexit, Ireland can return to being a single country again - hopefully without a return to violence.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 09:02 AM

the worse thing - well one of the worse things about the insult is that it impedes the exchange of ideas.

its bad enough because it makes us people of ill will. and the illest will always takes mean spirited delight in the shittiest insult he can think of.

i know, i've done it myself.

but take this Irish problem.. Two cultures living on a small island. it doesn't have to be India/Pakistan.

an exchange of sensible ideas without insults as to how the two cultures could be honoured. that's got to be the start - not the thin lipped negotiations we see so often - with everyone just an unguarded word away from kicking the table over.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 08:27 AM

"How can a "mental midge that does not know his place"t talk down to you jimmy?"
You have confirmed that you have nothing to say on.... - well anything really
Thank you for your succinct reply
Not even the entertainment value of originality - a somewhat pale shadow of Teribus's insecurity
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 08:09 AM

How can a "mental midge that does not know his place"t talk down to you jimmy?

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 07:45 AM

"The only yo yo posting is you jimbo"
Are you really not capable of posting information rather than insult, Iains?
Every posting you make attempts to takl down to people who disagre with you
It would be unpleasant if your technique was original - as it is, it is little more than snide comments repeated almost verbatim from others.
"sad little man"
I disagree with Al strongly on some points, but I find people with inflated ego who make comments like that far sadder.
You have made your point - you have little to offer other than insult - we really do understand that
Now let's if what you have to say on the subject is any more acceptable - or can we only expect being talked down to 'spect so!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 07:40 AM

Your posts are there for all to read, if anyone can be arsed to check what you've posted. Again, you argue in favour of the cult of philistinism. I also know some wonderful people who didn't go to university, or even do 'O' or 'A' Levels. I know a good few who did do all that, just as wonderful they are too. Rather than worry about all that, or get all jealous of those with better FORMAL educations than either mine, or especially yours or Teribus's, I prefer to see people in the round, for their common humanity, aspirations and achievements. A lot of people with degrees will tell you that the actual piece of paper is irrelevant once they've launched out into tbe world beyond academia. But a sound education is a great setup for life as long as you stay grounded. Unlike with you and Teribus, that means staying cool, calm and measured, without the ranting, raving insulting behaviour and inferiority complex with all its associated insecurities that typifies most of your posts.

I'm glad I annoyed you, by the way. That could be a sign of progress. I await with relish tbe heather thread. Why don't you and Bill get your heads together in a joint effort?

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 07:03 AM

Big Al Whittle. The point I was attempting to make is that worthwhile contributions are also made by those without formal qualifications.
Possession of a degree does not separate the wheat from the chaff, far from it. and as a complete by the bye one of the cleverest scientists I ever worked with spent the first 15 years of his working life as a slaughterman in an abattoir.
Any teacher that uses humiliation as a weapon is not fit to teach.

Shaw go away and annoy someone else. You have no idea what my qualifications are. As a consultant scientist it should be obvious that I have formal qualifications. Unlike you I do not feel the need to draw attention to the fact.

"The fact that you can come out with that falsehood over such a simple matter ....."
Did your educashun not teach you what an implicit and/or is?
You are becoming a sad little man.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 06:18 AM

I find it quite ironic that you choose to crow about your own University Of Life "qualifications" whilst decrying mine, which, as a matter of fact, I rarely think about and even more rarely mention. I'm very comfortable with mine, thank you, whilst your rather ranting post betrays your massive insecurities and, quite possibly, a touch of jealousy. Go on, tell us more about your consultancy work in your world of science. I promise not to accuse you of braggadocio. The science you throw at us, along with your rambling and irrelevant distractions about Einstein and radiocarbon dating, is unconvincing, relying far more on links that you don't comment on than on structured argument. When you do try to comment on the facts you generally argue from ignorance, same as Teribus, and you pepper it all far too much with emotion and splenetic outbursts, same as he does. Science looks for consensus. In that regard at least, the two of you are among the most "unscientific" people I've ever come across.

It's also very amusing that both you and Teribus feel qualified to comment on my teaching career though neither of you have ever seen me in action nor are knowingly acquainted with any pupil I've ever taught. It's a bit like my presuming to comment on your sex life based entirely on the content of your postings here. In other words, try not to be so silly.

"Do you seriously think you are the only person on this forum with a BSc, MSc, PhD, or chartered status?"

Another attribute of careful science is that it deals in accuracy. I don't enjoy any kind of chartered status, nor do I have an MSc or a PhD, and I've never claimed any of them. The fact that you can come out with that falsehood over such a simple matter is hardly a good indication that we can trust anything else you say, is it?

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 06:16 AM

maybe.....

i was always rubbish at academic stuff. Most days I am still haunted by the humiliations and punishments heaped on me by teachers.

struggled with everything 11 plus, o levels, a levels, teacher training cert., open university degree.

but it was a struggle. i don't think ever anyone accused me of being clever.

i always felt like i was in a game intended for someone else. someone cleverer than me.

we need the clever kids to be doctors and lawyers. but the system plays rough with the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 06:14 AM

The only yo yo posting is you jimbo

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 06:06 AM

"learn a little humility!"
I take it this is a 'note-to-self Iains
The permanently arrogant tone of your postings indicates that it needs to be
"Pointing out that they are also Irish rather destroys the pet narrative of our resident hate merchant"
How so - surely it doesn'ty matter what colour shape or size bigotry presents itself in?
The only "hate merchants" here are those who preeminently display their hatred of the "brainwashed" Irish who were tricked into demanding what was rightfully theirs by "foreigners".
Pleae read, mark and inwardly digest the note yoyu have just written to yourself
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 05:09 AM

"Do apprise us!"
Getting rattled Shaw? Do you seriously think you are the only person on this forum with a BSc, MSc, PhD, or chartered status? Your assumed superiority and polymathic skill set may have worked on your hapless, young and naive pupils, but in the real world where some of us work using real science, we find it best to retain a little humility. The passage of time and additional research has a nasty habit of overturning longheld beliefs.
As an example when Libby introduced carbon dating it was thought to be the bees knees. Relatively simple and accurate. Later research proved this idea wrong on both counts. Correcting C14 to produce accuracy is complex and ongoing.
I do not have the feeling of inferiority that I should need to quote half the alphabet after my name to give substance to my argument. I prefer it to rise or fall on it's own merit. You know the old adage Shaw: Those that can, do..................
Having been a consultant since about 1982 I do not have any need to prove anything, least of all to an insecure little man like you.
Unlike you I do not worship qualifications. They are useful, but many people without formal qualifications also make significant contributions to science. The net worth of the individual is far more important than the number of bits of paper he/she can wave around (and I do not mean financial worth)
As I have said to you before-learn a little humility!

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 08:30 PM

Stoppit, Al, you're getting my hormones flowing...

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 07:58 PM

She was so natural, was Heather
Never shaved under her arms
Oh what a raver!
She didn't use a shaver
I think that was part of her charm.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 07:43 PM

Now let us just refresh our memories shall we Shaw:

"Little if any heather moorland in the UK is natural vegetation." - Steve Shaw

Are you now denying that you wrote that Shaw?


In actual fact Shaw the UK possesses 75% of all the natural heather moorland left on the planet it is environmentally more endangered than the rain forest..."

It's tough, innit, Bill. Unfortunately, you have no idea what the word "natural" means in this context. Why not take it outside? Start a heather thread. I know you won't, because both you and I know that all you've said on this emanates from both your ignorance and your insecurity. Go on, give it a whirl. Start a heather thread and I'll take you to pieces. But not here. Wrong place entirely.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 05:36 PM

So, Iains. Will you now care to tell us what was the point of your Einstein post? Are you perhaps using his story to rubbish formal education? Are you promoting the idea that a degree in Common Sense from the University of Life is more valuable than the real thing? Are you saying that teachers are basically shit so who needs them? Are you hailing the cult of philistinism? Or are you jealous because you twatted around (or, more unkindly, were not really clever enough to make it) instead of working hard to get your academic qualifications, like Teribus? Do apprise us!

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 03:03 PM

"are your fellow Irish men?"
And how many times do I have to repeat that I AM NOT IRISH
A curse on all politically motivated religions wherever they come from
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 02:54 PM

there's no joy in winning an argument.

i've known good people - really good people - on both sides of the divide.

its too bloody easy to be calling names and perpetually finding fault.

they need to look for that goodness in their beighbours.

too often - they let the name callers and trouble makers set the agenda. you could say that about us, as well.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 02:03 PM

B Al W. Pointing out that they are also Irish rather destroys the pet narrative of our resident hate merchant that seems to use every opportunity to denigrate both the Irish and English.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 01:48 PM

would it be uncivil to point out that the much derided sash wearers, fuck the pope merchants and painters of murals depicting heroic merciless gunmen are your fellow Irish men?

actually, i thought you were English.

Most Irish people I know aren't as keen on the stirring the shit. however there seems enough of you pointing a finger at the other guy to make any outsider wonder where its going to end.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 01:17 PM

severely off topic. apropos biologist steve.
ALBERT EINSTEIN. In 1894, at the age of 15, he had dropped out of 'high school'—a classical gymnasium in Munich—and had spent the next year or so with his family in Italy.In 1895, he took and failed the entrance examination at the Eidgen ̈ossiche TechnischeHochschule (hereafter the ETH) in Zurich—Federal Institute of Technology He then spent a year in a Swiss high school, from which he graduated in the spring of 1896. That diploma permitted him to enroll in the ETH,which he attended until his graduation in the summer of 1900.He did not distinguish himself in the eyes of his teachers at the ETH, and his prospects upon graduating were poor. His determined efforts to attain a university assistantship were utterly unsuccessful. Equally unsuccessful were his efforts to find a job teaching in a secondary school. He survived for several years in a series of temporary teaching and tutoring jobs. Finally, in mid-1902, the father of his friend Marcel Grossmann helped him obtain a position as a patent examiner (Technical Expert 3rd class, to begin) at the Swiss Patent Office in Bern, where he remained until 1909.
Not exactly a beacon of shining academic excellence was our Einstein.
He more than made up for it later.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 12:38 PM

Rather off thread, but apropos "Biologist Steve". There was a cartoon in New Scientist a few weeks back where Satan is saying something like "Welcome, professor Jones. Let me introduce Mr Smith who once read something about your speciality on the internet and will be lecturing you about it."

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 10:35 AM

"You call me a Little Englander"
A reference to what you wrote
Your dismissive attitude to what I said is as good as name calling as far as I'm concerned and your refusal to respond to what I wrore is insulting
You described Britain's role in Ireland as keeping the fighting Irish apart - racist stereotyping, just as "still re-jigging the Battle of the Boyne" - and, "they deserve each other".
It is those who regard themselves as "British" who are still fighting 'The Battle of the Boyne' - Irish people walked away from that centuries ago, but it is still foisted on them every 12th of July by aggressive little men in bowler hats sporting Orange sashes and screaming "fuck the Pope"
It's about time that Britain took responsibility for such savagery rather than walking away from the mess they created.
If you want a discussion, be civil enough to respond to what people have to say or live with the consequences.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 08:29 AM

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen_en

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93Sweden_border

The issue of a border between the north and south of Ireland can be as simple or as complex as the participating sides want it to be.
Border controls have had no uniformity for a considerable time.
Norway is in the Schengen area but not in the EU and shares a long border with Sweden(EU member). The UK is in the EU but not part of the Schengen area.

Is the purpose of border controls to control the passage of people, or goods, or both? In recent years the supposed threat of terrorism has been used to suspend/alter the schengen agreement for various lengths of time.
To my mind having passport control at an airport is just to irritate people. The passenger manifests have a complete passenger profile before departure. Anyone flagged could be easily met at the gate, prior to the remaining passengers deplaning.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 08:05 AM

Jim I haven't called you a name.

You call me a Little Englander.

All I'm saying is that the endless litany of Irish blamelessness and English villainy...well if it doesn't insult your intelligence - it should do.

They're two countries. THey've tried living together. It doesn't work.

Time for a divorce. You get to keep the Eurovision Song Contest, the Euro, the Daniel O'Donnell cds.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 07:00 AM

"Think the likes of yourself and Jom "
Not just me then - you feel inferior to everybody
"cunturies"
More typos, - havve you really nothing more to offer othan these and a cowerdly behavior you would never dare present anybody face to face?
Grow up for Gods sake - cyber-blustering from the safety of distance and anonymity appears to be the level you have never risen above
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Stu
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 05:36 AM

"Dublin should tell the EU that if a hard border is to be imposed on them, they will leave too."

Why would they? Only an idiot would vote to leave there EU.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 05:27 AM

Not a pray Teritowelling, I seldom get angry about life and certainly not by things on this forum.

However, I am concerned about others, I do feel empathy, sympathy and sometimes pity with and for other people, I care about people.

I cannot recall one single post from yourself where such emotions have ever been apparent, that course on the link may do you a lot of good.

These might be a start.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 04:59 AM

Think the likes of yourself and Jom would get more benefit out of it Raggy.