BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 09:08 AM

Stupid, stupid, STUPID post, Keith. Most of us already think you're a fool. Why do you post stuff that just confirms our suspicions?

This "handouts" malarkey. Here we have a chap, moaning about what he calls "handouts" to the poorest people in society, who is economically inactive himself and who crows about how much his shares have gained this year. Now you buy shares with your excess money. Then you sit on your arse doing nothing while your shares "make" money for you. I'd call that a handout. I wonder whether he sends back his old age pension, another handout to people who are no longer economically active. Now I have to breathe the same polluted capitalist air so I don't complain about people putting their savings into shares (though bragging about them is a different matter), or about getting my pension from a fund that invests in shares. But I do object to the hypocritical attitude of someone who no longer works who sits at home while the pensions and share dividends roll in (which, if he's lucky like my now 94-year-old dad, will go on for many more years to come) complaining about the far more meagre "handouts" to the poorest in society. Perhaps he's like me, with one of those "gold-plated" final salary pensions. Maybe he needs a sharp reminder that the capitalist system that has been so good to him wouldn't exist without the stark inequalities that sheer humanity demands are corrected by "handouts," unless of course we'd prefer to have millions living on the streets. Of course, we're now going to get a litany of reasons why he deserves all his rewards whilst the poor should shut up and stop having kids. Just one thing about those kids brought up on those "handouts". A lot of them are now the doctors, nurses and care-home bottom-wipers that are going to look after him in his prosperous and lengthy old age, if they're not already. Maybe he'll be telling a care-home worker doing the night shift on the minimum wage how lucky she is. Maybe he could advise her which shares to buy.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 09:10 AM

Can you imagine the reaction of the trendy socialists here the first time they were forced to don khaki and subjected to shouting by a Sergeant major?

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 09:15 AM

"Jim, you haven't noticed that the "working class" are no more."
Only because your lot have done away with work
If you believe we are "all in it together" explain why is the gap between haves and have not increasing at the rate it is
Explain why taxpayers money was used to bail out corrupt and incompetent bankers.
Explain the massive divide between those living in the South East and those in the rest of Britain
Explain the discrepancy of medical care between those who can pay for it and those who can't afford to.
Your Tory sloganising is a joke when put next to the actual facts of the situation in Britain today
I expect no honest response to this from you, but there again, it's not intended for you - you are where and what you are and will remain so
"You have no case that the Catholic Church persecutes gay people as claimed"
Repetitive nonsense that flies in the face of the actual facts as articulated so beautifully by the Pope
Anybody who compares a natural state of being with "the destruction of the rain-forests" is guilty of the slanderous persecution of millions of people
While we're on religion, did you know that 400 unregistered childrens' bodies have been discovered in a field in Lanarkshire, believed to have been buried by nuns running a care home in the vicinity?
This scandal gets murkier and wider as time passes
Your churches are turning out to have been a monstrous sore inflicted on humanity - far worse than those you have maligned
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 09:23 AM

"Can you imagine the reaction of the trendy socialists here the first time they were forced to don khaki and subjected to shouting by a Sergeant major?"
A lovely bit of history that Iains - put them in the Army - that'll teach them
I thought even the Tories had grown out of that one
We already have a wannabe Seargent Major as it happens, in the form of the anonymous Teribius sneering and shouting at uus from the safety of distance and anonymity
At least the old S.Ms had the balls to do their shouting and strutting within arms reach of his men and not from afar
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 09:38 AM

#12.7 million divided by 2095 works out to #6062.05 per family.

By god we're spoiling the bastards ................

I think not.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 09:48 AM

That works out at #9.71 per week to feed and clothe a child.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 09:52 AM

Calm down Jim, or you will get my thread closed.
"If you believe we are "all in it together" explain why is the gap between haves and have not increasing at the rate it is"
I also think the wealth gap is a disgrace and that it can only be remedied by a socialist system, but we have widely differing opinions on how that should be brought about. You appear believe that a revolution or a continuation of the battles of the last century can accomplish what they failed to do in the past when the "working class" were an organised section of political opinion.
I believe that only unity and all our people working together can bring about a fair society. It will take a couple of generations and will be necessity rather than choice, as resources diminish; it will seem like evolution to those who participate, but to our eyes at this time it will look like totalitarianism.
The "socialist paradise" will not be pleasant, but it will be about survival rather than "fun"......there will certainly be no room for the "liberal" idiocies that we now tip toe around.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 10:19 AM

"Calm down Jim, or you will get my thread closed."
Please stop being insulting - that is what gets these threads closed
I laid out my argument rationally and articulately and gave you and yours plenty to respond to in a similar manner - with direct questions, in fact
You do
neither, instead you enter into an inaccurate to the point of dishonest diatribe as to what I am and what I believe - not the slightest attempt to respond to what I have said
That is not debate, that is trolling
Now
Do you want me to repeat my points again or what
Your behaviour confirms more and more that you have nothing rational to contribute to the subjects you intervene on
I would sincerely request of anyone with authority on this forum that they ask this individual to desist and if he does not. please remove him
Please do not punish the rest of us for the behaviour of one troll
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 10:32 AM

"...it will seem like evolution to those who participate, but to our eyes at this time it will look like totalitarianism"

My god... what a chilling, desperate and deeply disturbing statement this is.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 10:35 AM

Welcome to the real world Stu, the alternative is even more chilling.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 10:37 AM

War without end.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 10:40 AM

Heck Ake, I really can't figure you out. Are you a Russian troll?

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: peteglasgow
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 11:23 AM

for JRM and some of his supporters on here, how do you respond to the most recent exposure of crimes by the church? this 'care' home in Lanarkshire where 400 children lie in unmarked graves is just the latest example of the shocking violence and barbarity that some people (in all religious persuasions) seem to be capable of in the name of their god. when you care more about those not yet born or the likely afterlife fate of the dead, than helping the living, you really are a sick and dangerous person. i'm not for a moment dismissing the good stuff that the vast majority of religious (and non-religious) people do but i suspect that the kind of fundamental, mediaeval cruelty exemplified here has been the attitude of religious leaders for most of the centuries they have been in existence. where has our enlightenment gone, jacob?

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 11:28 AM

JRM, like some on here, is a boutique Christian. He picks and choses the bits he likes. He is against abortion and homosexuality because it says so in the bible. He choses to ignore the bits that say you have to care for people and not be a complete twat.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 11:29 AM

Dunno whether my post got deleted or just didn't take. I'm not trying to be vexatious if it did get deleted. It went something like this:

Trendy socialists? In what sense are we "trendy?" 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 11:32 AM

It's the Twelfth Commandment, Dave. "Thou shalt not be a complete twat."

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 11:37 AM

Hello there Raggy I see your arithmetic has improved since you were trying to work out votes in Irish Referendums. Trying to tell us that that is the only benefit claimed? What would the other "entitlements" be.

"Here we have a chap, moaning about what he calls "handouts" to the poorest people in society" - Shaw

The poorest people in society? Where was that stated?

Now as for being "economically inactive" Shaw is that your rather long winded way of saying retired?

The crowing "about how much his shares have gained this year." was actually detailing a personal example what has happened financially over the past eighteen months since the electorate of the United Kingdom voted to Leave the EU, which rather countered your "doom'n'gloom" mutterings.

"Now you buy shares with your excess money." - What a strange expression Shaw? What is "excess money" Shaw - disposable income perhaps? What do you do with yours Shaw? From your posts you would appear to "Oikishly" guzzle and munch your way around the place on Cornish Pasties, "sprouting purple" and cheap plonk - your choice.

"Then you sit on your arse doing nothing while your shares "make" money for you. I'd call that a handout."

Ah Shaw, I may not be doing anything but my money is. It is invested in companies that employ people and pay their wages, my money invested pays for research and development, it allows companies to expand and employ even more people. It provides profit and of course dividends that pay people's pensions.

"I wonder whether he sends back his old age pension, another handout to people who are no longer economically active."

Wonder no longer Shaw, I do not return my State Pension as I worked throughout my life and contributed on the higher end of the scale towards it - in short Shaw I earned it. I did not at some opportune moment decide to yell, "Oooh me back", then sit back on benefits (Unemployment, disability, income support, housing and child benefit) until I could lift a pension that I had barely contributed to. Of course it is not just the state pension I rely on for income, I receive three other pensions and my own private pension is yet to kick in - before you ask I also earned all of those and paid into the latter using that "Excess Money" you were wittering on about instead of squandering it.

Your defence of irresponsibility is ridiculous

Stu - 10 Sep 17 - 09:06 AM - So in short Stu, your WE is in fact OTHERS - NOT YOU. Apparently I seem to question things a damned sight more than you or your pals do.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 11:42 AM

Back to the nice Mr Rees Mogg-again!

How the EU slaughters democracy. Demonstration in moving pictures by the erudite mr. Rees Mogg so that even the tedious remoaners can understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXkjc7lqOUQ

If at first you don't succeed try, try, try again.
Perhaps this well known phrase or saying should be a part of the EU anthem.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 11:44 AM

Jim:
Yet another long rant.
Unfortunately it starts by accusing me in words I never used:
Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 03:57 AM

By the way Nigel
"not secure a living off child support "
This has always been a slanderous Tory myth aimed directly at the poorer people of Britain - a smear on the British people by the privileged and comfortable - our "betters"
Family allowance is pitifully small in Britain - no family could possibly get a "secure a living" from it
"A family with two children can claim nearly £1,800 a year in Child Benefit. In the 2017-18 tax year, you can claim: £20.70 per week for your first child. £13.70 a week for any further children."
The purpose of family support is to keep a poor family's head above water, not to "secure a living" - it is to stay alive


If you want to discuss what I have said, please do so.
But do not attribute the comments of others to my name, and then discuss them as if I am in any sense responsible for those comments.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 11:46 AM

"Ooh me back!"...Yes Teribus and the latest cop out for those in the teaching and public administration "trades" is "Ooh my head" the poor souls are so stressed they can hardly enjoy their massive holidays.

The mantra seems to be take as much out of the system and put as little in as possible.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 12:47 PM

"So in short Stu, your WE is in fact OTHERS - NOT YOU"

No need to shout old chap, I can hear you perfectly. No, not me. Are you suggesting in the fight against fascism we should not invoke the events of the second world war because we weren't there personally? That the suffering of others during that conflict should be ignored and forgotten because we weren't there?


"Apparently I seem to question things a damned sight more than you or your pals do."

Nah mate. You can type the words, but you're not the questioning type as is obvious from your posts over the years. That's fine, but the pretence doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Give up lad.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 01:18 PM

"Yet another long rant."
Then feel free to disprove what I say
Name calling has become the get-out of jail card on these threads
"not secure a living off child support"
My apologies Nigel - I attributed it to you but in fact it was Teribus's statement, your reference was a reference to that nasty Tory statement - my mistake
However, I went on to say "This has always been a slanderous Tory myth aimed directly at the poorer people of Britain"
You are, I believe, a Tory suppoerter
I would be interested to know if you go along with this long-standing smear of the less well off in Britain
I quite understand if you decline to answer, of course
There are of course other attacks on working people - like Ake's and Tribus's latest on Britain's lazy class
I'd ask your opinion on that particular smear if I thought an answer was forthcoming
You people are allways ready to lump us together under one umbrella; it's always interesting to learn if you people all singe from the same hymn-sheet
I quite understand if you don't wish to commit yourself on this one either
I wonder why you peiople never refer to the Bankers who ruined the British economy by their greed and stupidity, or those who avoid paying tax with offshore accounts and clever-clever lawyers
https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/jul/27/disgusting-astonishing-how-do-uks-top-1-view-tax-avoidance-voices-of-the-one-percent
Don't these people bear any responsibility for the state of the economy - or is it just lazy workers with sore backs fiddleing the state for their holidays in the Bahamas
You people really are a transparent joke
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 01:32 PM

GOOD OVERALL SUMMARY HERE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 01:38 PM

Steve,
Stupid, stupid, STUPID post, Keith. Most of us already think you're a fool. Why do you post stuff that just confirms our suspicions?

Just abuse again, but you are incapable of indicating any error or actually challenging anything I said.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 01:49 PM

Your money, which you paint as a charitable institution that alleviates all the problems of the world, also pays large share dividends to people sat on their arses doing nothing. Oh yes, you get your cut all right! I note that your unfocused rant did not address the uncomfortable fact that your successful capitalist achievements rely on massive inequalities in society. Without those, you and your fellow clever moneymakers wouldn't have the incentive to roar ahead and leave the poorest even further behind, which is what has happened in this country for several decades by every measure. Anyway, do enjoy counting your dividends and working out your percentage gains. I hope it makes you happy.

By the way, we own our own very nice home, mortgage-free, in a half-acre garden, half a mile from one of the most beautiful coastlines in the world, and we both have pensions on top of our old age pensions that enable us to live comfortably and go on several European holidays a year. Four in 2017. I eat approximately three pasties per annum. It's probably best if you try to not judge the lifestyles and the means of people you know nothing about.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 01:54 PM

"Just abuse again"
Not true Keith
The statement came with a sizable anount of information
10 Sep 17 - 09:08 AM
Which you choose to ignore, but nevertheless undermines your entire position
Little wonder you choose to ignore in then claim it hadn't been maid
Dishonest, dishonest, dishonest post Keith
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 02:04 PM

If I say that you're stupid, that's abuse. If I say your post is stupid, it isn't. And your point has been addressed by me, Dave and Jim ad nauseam. Run along now. Do they have Sunday evensong?

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 02:34 PM

Apparently Rees-Mogg has never changed a baby's nappy (despite having six children) and never cooked a meal.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 02:59 PM

One of the many benefits of having loadsamoney. Are you jealous?

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 03:14 PM

"Are you jealous?"
Why can't right wingers tell the difference between a desire for equality of opportunity and jealousy
Perhaps that wasn't pert of their privileged education curriculum!!
Stereotypes - all of you without exception
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 03:47 PM

Not at all. I don't have kids but love cooking and if you've never had to cook a meal in your life, I'd suggest you're too distant form he real world to understand the issues that affect most of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 03:49 PM

Bit like ever whinging, whining socialists then are we not. The major difference is that we are happy to take responsibility for our actions.
All socialists are capable of doing is spending other people's money and blaming everyone but themselves for misfortune.
Is the saying not MAN UP!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 04:00 PM

Interesting, Iains. So I assume you oppose Trident on the grounds it it spending other people's money. Ditto all schools except private ones, all health care except private health care, all roads except toll roads ....

Or are you perhaps a little more of a socialist than you admit?

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 05:52 PM

DmcG. I refer you to: dActs 20.35

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 06:01 PM

Capitalists, people like Teribus for example, love to sit at home doing nothing except soaking up other people's money. Off-shorers do it, bankers do it, yuppies did it and Teribus brags about doing it. Tsk. Then they moan about peanut-sized handouts for the very poorest. Hypocrites.

I love cooking and Mrs Steve gets shouted at, Gordon Ramsay-style, if she dares to venture into MY kitchen when I'm in there. And I changed both my kids' nappies all the time and love to bring the buggers down a peg by reminding them of the fact. Poor Moggie. Doesn't know what he's missing.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 06:24 PM

Pon my soul. what a paragon of virtue you are Shaw.
Reminds me of a nursery rhyme:

Little Jack Horner
Sat in the corner,
Eating a Christmas pie;
He put in his thumb,
And pulled out a plum,
And said, "What a good boy am I!"

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 06:45 PM

Tut tut Iains, did I not read recently that it is incorrect to use the term ' man up' nowadays -- more likely to cause some sort of emotional distress to a person, we are to be gender neutral now.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 07:20 PM

What the hell is wrong with you people
You call yourselves Christians yet you treat the poor with utter contempt and sneer at their predicament
You epitomise what has happened to the world today - the lot of you
You have been given the facts as reported - you don't even the intelligence to either disprove them with information of your own or justify them
And your star turn,Ake says "we're all in the same boat"
You are to Christianity is what syphilis is to love
Thanks for the example of Christian love lads
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 07:23 PM

A LITTLE MORE TO SNEER AT OR IGNORE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 08:13 PM

Enjoying cooking and changing nappies is not a sign of a paragon. Do try to drag yourself out of the nineteenth century, Inanes. Mrs Steve knows to keep out of the kitchen when I'm in there (I admit to being an absolute culinary bastard, a man to avoid like the plague when I'm in passionate cuisinary mode), and we eat like kings (er, monarchs, should I say), and blokes changing nappies is routine these days unless you're a chauvinist pig, which you seem to want to brand yourself as. I'm normal. How are you, Iains? Huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 10:23 PM

that jacob rees mogg....he seems a bit odd. that jimmy saville vibe

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 02:18 AM

Looks like another one scheduled for the bin.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 02:30 AM

Let's see now, what is Shaw's latest whimsical notion? Explain to us all Shaw how does someone "sit at home doing nothing except soaking up other people's money"? What makes it "other people's money"? Who are these "other people"? I am absolutely fascinated to learn.

As far as I am aware the concept runs as follows:

1: Individual has an idea that he believes would be a commercial success.
2: He starts up a business in a small way and confirms that he has a viable concern.
3: Demand for what he produces increases, but he cannot expand his business on his own because he does not have the necessary free capital. He can go into debt by going to a bank, or he can look for people who would be willing to invest capital in his business in return for a share of the business.
4: He goes for the latter because that shares the risk without burdening the business with debt. In return for their investment the shareholders in the enterprise can see the value of their investment grow in terms of trading figures and with increased assets and they, depending upon how the board of directors decide get a share of the profits.
5: Of course it can all go "pear-shaped" and the venture could crash, in which case the assets of the business are realised, sold off and the proceeds shared out amongst the Inland Revenue, the listed creditors and shareholders in that order.

OK then Shaw where does "other people's money" come into the equation?

Just love the way you middle-class socialists worship at the alter of irresponsibility, where there appears to be only rights and no obligations.

Tell me Shaw, Stu, Carroll what percentage of you yearly income do you give to charity?

By the way very few people, if any at all, in the UK these days "change nappies", most would not even know how to fold one. What is in common use today are these "Pampers" things - from a father of four who both cooked for the family and changed their nappies, soaked and washed them back in the day when they were nappies.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 03:11 AM

Steve, Jim and Dave,
If I say your post is stupid, it isn't. And your point has been addressed by me, Dave and Jim ad nauseam.

Jim claimed that Catholicism promised hell for homosexuals.
It does not.
You all claimed it persecutes and discriminates against them.
It does not.

It does not yet allow same sex marriage, but nor does any religion in the world, nor most countries in the world and none until recently.

You have failed to make any case against Catholicism except the marriage thing, and you made false claims against that Church.

If I have got anything wrong, identify it.
Just saying "stupid," even in capitals, is not an argument.
Have you got one?

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 03:55 AM

Your refuasal to recognise the implications of what the Pope aid about homosexuals makes you extremely dishonest and fanatical
What do you think he meant by his "rainforest" remark – an expression o "fondness", kile your "Muppet" maybe!!
You are one disturbed cookie
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 03:56 AM

Let us try this in the form of a quiz shall we

Q. Does the church teach that unrepentant sinners go to hell?
A. Yes

Q. Is sex outside marriage a sin?
A. Yes.

Q. If people who have sex outside marriage are unrepentant are they damned
A. Yes

Q. Can hetrosexuals marry and avoid this situation?
A. Yes.

Q. Can homosexuals marry and avoid this situation?
A. No

Q. Does the church discriminate against homosexuals?
A. Yes.

Does that explain my views any better? And why are you addressing things that Steve and Jim post to me?

I think I have made myself quite clear on the issues. No point in going through them any further.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 03:59 AM

"Tell me Shaw, Stu, Carroll what percentage of you yearly income do you give to charity?"

I don't have much money to give to charity, although I do give my time and skills as a graphic designer free of charge or at materials cost. I do give to homeless folk though; I can't bear to see their suffering. I'm also active in my community, building a better place to live (without those pesky politicians getting involved).

How much do you give?


Good on you for changing nappies and cooking. Always knew you were a better man than the likes of Rees-Mogg, although lacking his wit.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 04:22 AM

Dave,
Q. If people who have sex outside marriage are unrepentant are they damned
A. Yes

Of course they are not silly.

No religions and few countries allow same sex marriage.
Is that your only complaint against the Catholic Church on this?
If so we do not disagree.

Jim, this is the official, current view on homosexuality from the catholic Church,
" being homosexual is not wrong or sinful in itself. But just as it is objectively wrong for unmarried heterosexuals to engage in sex, so too are homosexual acts considered to be wrong."

No discrimination, except the marriage thing which is still almost universal.
Why single out Catholicism?

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 04:24 AM

"sit at home doing nothing except soaking up other people's money"? What makes it "other people's money"

Just like retired teachers then, leaching off the teat of the public purse.


https://www.ipe.com/countries/uk/uk-roundup-teachers-pension-scheme-liabilities-grow-by-76bn/www.ipe.com/countries/uk/uk-roundup

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 04:28 AM

The term boutique Christian springs to mind once again. But only so I can claim 200!

No more to say on the matter.

DtG