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Origins: When the Boat Comes In

GUEST,Malcolm Storey 30 Sep 17 - 07:32 AM
Newport Boy 30 Sep 17 - 07:42 AM
Dave Hanson 30 Sep 17 - 11:25 AM
Johnny J 30 Sep 17 - 01:08 PM
GUEST,B.B. Cone 30 Sep 17 - 01:13 PM
Steve Gardham 30 Sep 17 - 03:16 PM
FreddyHeadey 30 Sep 17 - 07:36 PM
FreddyHeadey 30 Sep 17 - 07:53 PM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 30 Sep 17 - 07:54 PM
Steve Gardham 01 Oct 17 - 09:16 AM
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GUEST,Malcolm Storey 03 Oct 17 - 05:08 AM
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GUEST,Malcolm Storey 03 Oct 17 - 07:58 PM
Dave Hanson 04 Oct 17 - 02:13 AM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 05 Oct 17 - 04:45 AM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 05 Oct 17 - 07:50 PM
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Subject: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 07:32 AM

According to information on the internet regarding the TV programme of the same name Alex Glasgow is credited with writing the song?


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: Newport Boy
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 07:42 AM

Wikipedia says: The memorable traditional tune "When The Boat Comes In" was adapted by David Fanshawe and sung by Alex Glasgow for the title theme of the series. Fanshawe also composed the incidental music.

I think that's correct - I didn't see the other credit.


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 11:25 AM

it's a traditional Geordie song, recorded long before, ' When The Boat Comes In '

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: Johnny J
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 01:08 PM

Just watched the final episode on UK Drama TV this afternoon. Poor Jack was shot at the end.


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: GUEST,B.B. Cone
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 01:13 PM

I was disappointed when Jack was killed - I'd always hoped the series would go on to a time when the 1945 Labour government was elected and that Jack Ford would be one of the new MPs.


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 03:16 PM

Can someone post a few of the words please? If this is the song I think it is it would be a reworking of the Sunderland song 'Till the tide comes in' which can be traced back to 17thc broadsides.


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 07:36 PM

DANCE TI' THY DADDY
@displaysong.cfm?SongID=1450 

DANCE TO YOUR DADDY
@displaysong.cfm?SongID=1451 

other threads
Subject: Lyr Add: DANCE TO YOUR DADDY
thread.cfm?threadid=124227 

Lyr Req: thou shall have a little fishy 
including lyrics
thread.cfm?threadid=60681 

when the boat comes in
thread.cfm?threadid=60681 


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 07:53 PM

SG
"When the Boat comes in/Dance to thy Daddy 

Come here me little Jacky,  
now ah've smoked me baccy,  
let's hev a bit of cracky,  
till the boat comes in.  
Dance to thee Daddy, sing to thee Mammy,  
dance to thee Daddy, to thee Mammy sing; 

Thou shalt hev a fishy on a little dishy, 

thou shalt hev a fishy when the boat comes in. 

Here's thy mother humming,  
like a canny woman;  
Yonder comes thy fatha,  
drunk - he cannat stand. ..."
thread.cfm?threadid=124227#3855613 


~~~~~~~~~~
"Till the Tide Comes In

While strolling down by Sandgate Street, 
A shipmate there I chanc'd to meet; 
"I'll treat you with a pint of gin," 
Says he, "until the tide comes in",

Till the tide comes in, till the tide comes in, 
Right merry will we be till the tide comes in; 
We'll music bring, and dance and sing 
And kiss the pretty girls till the tide comes in..."
thread.cfm?threadid=19372 


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 07:54 PM

Surprised you don't know more about this Steve.

Is the telly broken?

I can recall hearing Johnny Handle singing the song long before Alex Glasgow "wrote" it.

Enjoyed the poetry programme from the city of culture tonight on the beeb. What was the venue?


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 01 Oct 17 - 09:16 AM

Sorry, Malcolm
Don't have time for telly.

It did occur to me that you meant 'Dance to your daddy'. Which of the 2 songs did you mean? I'm still not clear despite Freddy posting both.


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 01 Oct 17 - 09:52 AM

Okay, James Bolan, Dance to your Daddy, the memory kicked back in.

Chapter and verse on Wikipedia gives you the 1820s author and plenty of other info. Job done.


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 03 Oct 17 - 05:08 AM

Not Alex Glasgow then?

What a naughty chap!

Oh and it's James Bolam.

cheers


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: Johnny J
Date: 03 Oct 17 - 05:14 AM

Alex Glasgow is a "naughty chap" whereas James Bolam is just a "Likely Lad". ;-))


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 03 Oct 17 - 07:58 PM

On the wikipedia entry Alex Glasgow is credited with writing the song "Dance to your daddy" or "When the boat comes in" - Whichever.

The musical arrangement is credited elsewhere.

There is no doubt that Alex Glasgow sang the arrangement for the television series.

Where I have problem is if in fact Alex Glasgow claimed he wrote the song and claimed it as such to PRS then this at best dishonest.

It would be interesting to find out if such were the case(that Glasgow claimed to have written the song)how much he received in royalties.


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 04 Oct 17 - 02:13 AM

Alex Glasgow adapted a traditional geordie song, he didn't write it, no doubt it's ' his ' version, but he wasn't the author.

He [ like Martin Carthy always does ] should have credited it ' traditional, arranged Glasgow '

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 05 Oct 17 - 04:45 AM

Precisely.


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 05 Oct 17 - 07:50 PM

So is there a PRS member out there that could answer the question regarding royalties?


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 06 Oct 17 - 04:42 AM

PRS have no idea what is traditional (i.e., public domain). I seem to remember you once offered them my services which were not taken up.
They appear to simply hoover up everything, quite the opposite of Robin Hood I believe.


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Subject: RE: Origins: When the Boat Comes In
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 06 Oct 17 - 08:41 PM

And Sony are still collecting royalties on Happy Birthday to You although the writer - an American lady - has been dead over a hundred years.

Sony's dishonesty has been highlighted elsewhere on Mudcat regarding ownership of private filming of personal material that has been uploaded to the web.

Mozart has been dead even longer but PRS still insist on collecting licensing fees for his music.

And I could go on.


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