Geisslerlieder (Flagellant songs) - recordings?

Subject: Geisslerlieder
From: GUEST,RA
Date: 17 Jan 18 - 08:46 AM

Does anybody out there know of any audio recordings of mediaeval Geisslerlieder (perhaps by current early music groups, of course - not actual mediaeval recordings)?

From Wikipedia: "In medieval music, the Geisslerlieder, or Flagellant songs, were the songs of the wandering bands of flagellants, who overspread Europe during two periods of mass hysteria: the first during the middle of the 13th century, and the second during the Black Death in 1349. The music was simple, sung in the vernacular, often call-and-response, and closely related to folk song; indeed some of the flagellant songs survived into the 17th century as folk songs in Catholic parts of central Europe. Musically the Geisslerlied were related to the Laude spirituale: they were unaccompanied song, with instrumental accompaniment specifically forbidden."

Thanks!

Subject: RE: Geisslerlieder
From: Jack Campin
Date: 17 Jan 18 - 09:19 AM

It's a good bet that some of the Laudario di Cortona songs were used by flagellanti. There are a few recordings (including one from the 1960s which was one of the first early music recordings I ever heard, and probably the worst).

Subject: RE: Geisslerlieder
From: keberoxu
Date: 17 Jan 18 - 10:15 AM

I heard one performed live! Maybe there is a recording,
seeing as how this was an illustrious ensemble:
The Early Music Consort of London.
David Morrow (sp?) was still alive, and leading the ensemble.
The piece started with the words:
"Gloria in cielo."

Subject: RE: Geisslerlieder
From: GUEST,RA
Date: 18 Jan 18 - 05:06 PM

Thanks folks. I have a recording of just one in German sung by Hugues Cuenod, on an old LP of mediaeval German songs of all kinds. Specifically I'd be interested in hearing more German language Geisslerlieder, since many of them were collected at the time (1349 AD) by Hugo of Reutlingen (now in Baden-Wuerttemberg) - making him perhaps one of the earliest documenters of vernacular song!

The late, great David Munrow is the Early Music Consort guy to whom you refer, keberoxu. Thanks for the lead!

Subject: RE: Geisslerlieder
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 18 - 09:15 PM

I too am searching high and low. I'd really love a whole album dedicated to Geisslerlieder.

Subject: RE: Geisslerlieder (Flagellant songs) - recordings?
From: GUEST,Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 06:46 AM

The main ms for German Geisslerlieder is referenced here Leningrad, Königsbibliothek, lat. membr. O. XIV n.6 (Chronicon Hugonis sacerdotis de Rutelinga ad annum MCCXLIX); sadly the links to the individual songs appear to be dead.

The 6 pieces given are:


    fol. 30v-31, Nu ist diu betfart so here (sacred song))

    fol. 31-31v, Maria muoter, reinû maìt (sacred song))

    fol. 32-34v, Maria, unser frowe Kyrie eleyson (sacred song))

    fol. 34v-35, Nu tret herzuo der bössen welle (sacred song))

    fol. 35v-36v, Nu hebent uf die uwern hend (sacred song))

    fol. 36v, Vainent tögen mit den ougen (sacred song))

    fol. 42v, Alleluia. Ave benedicta Maria (alleluia))

The ms has been referenced in the Digital MS Database, but no details there: DIAMM entry.

There is a book at archive on the music: Die Lieder und Melodien der Geissler des Jahres 1349 nach der Aufzeichnung Hugo's von Reutlingen. I haven't looked for others.

Some are on youtube:

Maria unser frowe - really nice!

Nu tret herzuo - can't tell if this is the correct song.

Maria, unser frowe appears on at least 3 albums at Amazon, as does Nu tret herzuo der bössen welle as does Alleluia. Ave benedicta Maria. (different albums!).

Mick

Subject: RE: Geisslerlieder (Flagellant songs) - recordings?
From: GUEST,RA
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 07:03 AM

Thanks very much, Mick!

Subject: RE: Geisslerlieder (Flagellant songs) - recordings?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 19 - 09:15 PM

Here is another version of "Nu tret herzuo der bóssen welle":

https://musical-life.net/audio/nu-tret-herzuo-der-bossen-welle

Dima