Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House

Subject: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 08 Dec 18 - 12:39 AM

Some of the blues musicians who were at least a decade older than Son House

Frank Amacker
Arthur Armstrong
Elijah Avery
James Baker
Andrew Baxter
John Berringer
Couney Bertram
Bert Bilbro
Oscar Blackman
Joe Booker
John Bray
Ada Brown
Buddie Burton
Henry Callens
Floyd Canada
Gus Cannon
Warner Carver
Lonnie Chatmon
Clyde Church
Ann Cook
Ida Cox
Tom Darby
Simmie Dooley
Hervey Duerson
James Fields
Louis Ford
Zollie Ford
Ned Frazier
Alcide Gaspard
W.C. Handy
Alfoncy Harris
Jesse Harris
Sid Harris
Cliff Hayes
Bertha Henderson
Peg Leg Howell
Jim Jackson
Papa Charlie Jackson
Hezekiah Jenkins
Bunk Johnson
Luke Jordan
Huddie Ledbetter
Lockwood Lewis
Noah Lewis
Alura Mack
Manuel Manetta
Sara Martin
Butler May
Sam Moore
Jelly Roll Morton
Charlie Nickerson
Charlie Patton
Peachtree Payne
Washington Phillips
Phil Porter
Ben Rainey
Ma Rainey
Luckey Roberts
Homer Robertson
Allen Shaw
Son Sims
Will Slayden
Trixie Smith
Bunt Stephens
Frank Stokes
Freeman Stowers
Sidney Stripling
Jimmie Strothers
James Suggs
Stephen Tarter
George W. Thomas
Henry Thomas
L.V. Thomas
Charles Tyus
George Walburn
Inez Wallace
Ozie Ware
Fred Washington
Douglass Williams
Jack The Bear Wilson
Hosea Woods

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Henry Piper (of Ottery)
Date: 09 Dec 18 - 05:39 AM

Sorry, ….I don't understand this post !! what is the point of publishing a list of names of people who are or where older than someone else ???

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Dec 18 - 05:54 AM

Let's see a list of blues musicians younger than House! ;-)

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 09 Dec 18 - 10:19 AM

I believe the OP got the idea from Gilbert and Sullivan.

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 09 Dec 18 - 10:25 AM

Talking about Son's age, I remember some years ago, a writer claimed that Son lied about his age - to get employment - and that he was probably A LOT older than he claimed to be.

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 09 Dec 18 - 12:08 PM

The following is from Son's Wkipedia entry:
"His date of birth is a matter of some debate. House alleged that he was middle-aged during World War I and that he was 79 in 1965, which would make his date of birth around 1886. However, all legal records give his date of birth as March 21, 1902"

Well, a lot of that makes no sense. If Son had been born around 1886, like he claimed, he would not have been middle-aged at the time of World War One - which he also claimed ( unless he considered 30 to be middle-aged).

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 09 Dec 18 - 02:48 PM

"what is the point" It's for people who are interested in early blues music.

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 09 Dec 18 - 02:54 PM

When Son lied about how old he was, he was lying. Son's father was born in about 1877. Daniel Beaumont's book about House is good; Wikipedia is unreliable.

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 12 Dec 18 - 10:38 AM

"When son lied about how old he was, he was lying"? If I remember my old logic tutor correctly, two negatives make a positive. So does the above statement mean that Son was actually telling the truth?

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 12 Dec 18 - 11:41 AM

I recall one time when I and a couple of colleagues were in conversation on a social occasion with Willie Dixon and Memphis Slim. During the conversation Willie turned to Slim and said "We know all them other blues men are liars, but sometimes I have my doubts about you!"

Being constantly asked questions about events that happened long in the past and which were often of no interest to them personally, is it any wonder? I am sure that some of them really enjoyed winding up their inquisitors.

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Modette
Date: 12 Dec 18 - 02:31 PM

What a silly thread!

Some musicians would always be ten years older and some would always be ten years younger. I can't imagine how this list would be any use to anybody other than anal retentives.

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Henry Piper (of Ottery)
Date: 12 Dec 18 - 02:39 PM

Absolutely agree with you Modette, this is a Totally pointless post, as I mentioned earlier. Joseph Scott I am interested in early Blues music, but I still cant see what this post is supposed to prove Si what if some people where older than Son house, quite a lot where younger but so what ???

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Henry Piper (of Ottery)
Date: 12 Dec 18 - 02:41 PM

While where on the subject I would have thought Both Bunk Johnson and Jelly roll Morton where Jazz musicians rather than blues musicians, as well as several others on yourlist.

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 12 Dec 18 - 03:07 PM

Blues music existed in the 1890s. A blues musician who was 15 years old in 1905, e.g. (such as Jelly Roll Morton, who played blues), is generally more relevant to understanding blues music of about 1905 than a blues musician who was 3 years old in 1905.

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 14 Dec 18 - 05:09 AM

Well, the age of a blues musician can be reflected in their playing. Choice of notes, rhythmic approach etc.
Take blues/boogie piano players. It's possible to guess the age of early pianists - from their recording - by how much "ragtime" was evident in their playing.

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 14 Dec 18 - 01:37 PM

Sid Harris is an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdLeWdkv_b8

The other keyboardists in the above list are Amacker, Berringer, Burton, Callens, Church, Duerson, Ledbetter a little, Mack, Manetta, May, Morton, Nickerson, Porter, Roberts, George W. Thomas, Washington, and Wilson.

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 05:07 AM

I saw Son House play live twice at the 100 club in London. I suspect the point of this post was to suggest that he was not the great original as he is portrayed. (The man who taught Robert Johnson etc.) However having sat about 8 feet away from him when he played the blues twice, it was like sparks from heaven, and it really does not matter where he stood timewise for me.

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 15 Dec 18 - 12:24 PM

I don't think anybody would say that listening to Jelly Roll would give us a greater insight into the blues than listening to Son House.

Subject: RE: Blues musicians 10 yrs older than House
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 16 Dec 18 - 02:49 AM

Into early blues, certainly. He learned blues from e.g. Mamie Desdunes, who died about 14 years before Son began playing guitar.

"great original" "where he stood timewise" How great Buddy Guy e.g. is and whether we can learn about early blues from him have nothing to with each other.