Lyr Add: By the Shores of Loch Maree- D Williamson

Subject: Lyr Add: By the Shores of Loch Maree- D Williamson
From: GUEST,Kenny B
Date: 25 May 19 - 10:37 AM

By The Shores Of Loch Maree
Duncan Williamson

Oh when my heartis full of sadness,
And im lonely as can be,
For my thoughts they often wander,
to the shores of Loch Maree,

Oh there I met her one fine spring morning
Such a beauty that she did be
We got talking and went walking
By the shores of Loch Maree

How we planned for future meetings
Oh how happy that I did be
For the dear one I discovered
By the shores of Loch Maree

Then one morning she went and left me
For to go far across the sea
I was lonely and broken hearted
By the shores of Loch Maree

Then one morning I received a letter
It had came from across the sea
And a picture showed a wedding
But the bride groom wont be me

So now im lonely and broken hearted
I am sad now as I can be
For the dear one I discovered
By the shores of Loch Maree

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: By the Shores of Loch Maree- D Williamson
From: GUEST,Kenny B
Date: 25 May 19 - 10:45 AM

By the shores of Loch Maree by Duncan Williamson

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: By the Shores of Loch Maree- D Williamson
From: leeneia
Date: 25 May 19 - 02:31 PM

Thanks, Kenny B. You've provided both lyrics and melody.

I'll never forget my first trip to the Highlands, when we came to the crest of a hill on a one-lane road and looked down at the unexpected beauty of Loch Maree.

Subject: Lyr Add: BY THE SHORES OF LOCH MAREE (Ina Miller)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 25 May 19 - 05:18 PM

My transcription from Spotify:

BY THE SHORES OF LOCH MAREE
As recorded by Ina Miller on "Bonnie Wee Hoose on the Hillside" (1982)

When my heart is filled with yearning
And I'm lonely as can be,
Then my thoughts are always turning
To the shores of Loch Maree.

It was there one day I found her
And we laughed so vehemently(?), [it sounds like "vehently"]
And the beauty all around her
Was not half so fair as she.

And there we sat till the day was ending
Till the moonlight was there to see,
And we knew we must be wending
Each our way from Loch Maree.

How we planned for future meetings!
Oh, what joy there was to be!
But our happiness was fleeting
By the shores of Loch Maree.

Far away my fate has led me,
Far across the rolling sea,
Far from her and all she pledged me
By the shores of Loch Maree.

The years have gone but I've loved no other.
None so fair has appeared to me
As the dear one I discovered
By the shores of Loch Maree.

Now today has brought a picture.
It has come across the sea,
And the picture shows a wedding
But the bride was not for me.

There she is and shyly smiling
To the bridegroom by her side,
And my heart she's still beguiling
For my love has never died.

Yet though it seems she has gone forever,
Faithful now I no more may be.
In my dreams we are still together
By the shores of Loch Maree,
By the shores of Loch Maree.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: By the Shores of Loch Maree- D Williamson
From: GUEST,Kenny B
Date: 25 May 19 - 06:15 PM

Thanks Jim Dixon for the alternative words the "folk process " is still alive and kicking
My google and mudcat searches only produced the Duncan Williamson version

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: By the Shores of Loch Maree- D Williamson
From: leeneia
Date: 26 May 19 - 09:59 AM

"Vehemently" just begs to be folk-processed away. It's too strong a term, and it doesn't fit the meter.

We laughed so - cheerfully, pleasantly, lovingly, am (i) a bly.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: By the Shores of Loch Maree- D Williamson
From: GUEST,Kenny Baxter
Date: 26 May 19 - 02:41 PM

By the Shores of Loch Maree - Alexander Brothers Has 99% same words as Jim Dixons transcription

Vehementnly is pronounce as Ve'mently and fits in but to "folk process" it to cheerfully, pleasantlyor lovingly would probably never be noticed on a live performance.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: By the Shores of Loch Maree- D Williamson
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 19 - 04:21 PM

'By The Shores of Loch Maree' is a varitation of 'I see Mull 'by Duncan McLellan. Now often listed as trad. due to the author/composer not being a member of MCPS/PRS and it being initially a Gaelic work. This is frequently played as an accordion or pipe tune aka LAND OF MY YOUTH/I SEE MULL. The Loch Maree title was not written by Ina Miller or the Alexanders. They are only performers, is copyrighted as follows:

BY THE SHORES OF LOCH MAREE
CHI MI MUILE        BELL, R Y
MCLELLAN, DUNCAN CURRIE published by Grefyriars Music (the Alexander Brothers publishing company).

My late father recorded this as well in 1971. So the shores.. is no doubt quite modern in origin and part of the heather and haggis scene of the 60's. R.Y. Bell was also co-writer of 'song of the Clyde', 'Back to Bonnie Scotland; etc, he would have added the lyrics - as recorded by Stewart Ross/Ian Miller/The Alexander Brothers etc. He died in 1984.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: By the Shores of Loch Maree- D Williamson
From: GUEST,Kenny B
Date: 26 May 19 - 04:47 PM

Thanks Guest for the Additional Info, every wee bit helps
At the beginning of the Duncan Williamson Youtube video he states that "it came from the west" and I changed my chorded version to show the singer. Last time I was in Tobermory was about 20 years ago and only for the day so I didn't hear much music in the Misnish etc The view from the Wester Isles Hotel was magnificent

By The Shores Of Loch Maree
From the singing of Duncan Williamson
Tune- a variation of "I See Mull"

Oh [D] when my heartis [G] full of sadness,
And im [D] lonely [G] as can [A] be,
For my [D] thoughts they [G] often wan- [D] -der,
to the [A] shores of Loch Ma- [D] -ree,

Oh there I met her one fine spring morning
Such a beauty that she did be
We got talking and went walking
By the shores of Loch Maree

How we planned for future meetings
Oh how happy that I did be
For the dear one I discovered
By the shores of Loch Maree

Then one morning she went and left me
For to go far across the sea
I was lonely and broken hearted
By the shores of Loch Maree

Then one morning I received a letter
It had came from across the sea
And a picture showed a wedding
But the bride groom wont be me

So now im lonely and broken hearted
I am sad now as I can be
For the dear one I discovered
By the shores of Loch Maree

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: By the Shores of Loch Maree- D Williamson
From: GUEST
Date: 27 May 19 - 07:19 AM

There is one Duncan Currie McLellan born in Glasgow in 1910. I am assuming it is the same guy, as there is only one registered in Scotland. He died in 1979.   There is a Gaelic singer called Duncan McLellan who was doing the rounds in the 1930's I am also assuming it might be the same guy. Glasgow Gaels recorded and created a lot of songs in that period. Later when a Gaelic song gets converted into an instrumental on the piping and accordion circuit, it often becomes impossible to control - and people just effectively acquire it. Few Gaelic writers were members of the PRS/MCPS - and even publishers struggled to control works assigned to them. Unless someone can tell me otherwise, it looks like Mr. Bell set an alternative lyric to 'I see Mull', around the 1960's and changed the title to 'By the Shores of Loch Maree', but gave due copyright credit to McLellan for the use of the tune.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: By the Shores of Loch Maree- D Williamson
From: GUEST,Kenny B
Date: 27 May 19 - 02:23 PM

Hi Guest is it easy to check copyright, my reason for asking is purely curiosity because my grandfathers songs, sketches and ventiloquists stage doll all got lost at the Clydebank blitz.
My mother used to sing a song that she said he sung which was copyrighted by a well known Scottish personality some time later when Mozart and Allen produced a sheet music arrangement in 1959, my grandfather died in late 1942 6 months after the blitz.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: By the Shores of Loch Maree- D Williamson
From: GUEST,Rossey
Date: 27 May 19 - 04:46 PM

Hi Sorry, sometimes I forget to put my ID in.. and so I am the guest here. If your grandfather died in 1942, then any published works he wrote are out of copyright. If you can prove when they were written, then you can make a claim as can any party - as they are now public domain. Copyright in the UK is for 70 years after the death of the creator. You have to find some physical proof that a song existed before whoever got to it registered it with the PRS/MCPS. I can check the database, but it doesn't always show 'truth', just a series of registrations and claims.