Origins: The Rope - whistle and song tune

Subject: Origins: The Rope - whistle and song tune
From: GUEST,Catherine Pestano
Date: 12 Apr 21 - 06:24 AM

Hi wonderful Mudcat oracle peeps, this is a request for your help please.

I am trying to trace a song/tune I have heard twice which was both times called The rope. Once performed fast by a whistle group from Hammersmith Irish centre. They said it was a joke story song about a woman getting an unwanted male admirer to help her twist a rope so much that he backed himself out of the stable door.

Once sung by my mum who gives it the wrong Irish name. She does not speak Irish but learnt it by ear from the nuns. It sounds slow stately and mournful but the same tune. I would so love to learn the words and tune properly and know more about the song. I have a small recording or could get one as she is still with us. Thank you

Subject: RE: Origins: The Rope - whistle and song tune
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 12 Apr 21 - 07:21 AM

Casadh an tSúgáin is what you're looking for.

Subject: RE: Casadh an tSugain
From: Felipa
Date: 12 Apr 21 - 11:32 AM

Mudcat threads:

https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=9802 (scroll down to view corrected text)

https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=8966

Subject: RE: Origins: The Rope - whistle and song tune
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 21 - 12:01 PM

Thanks so much folks, it is as I thought, my mum calls a different tune this name The Rope. She also said it is called Ma bhíonn tú liom whch I hear in the bothy band tune but the tune is nothing like the one she sings and I can't hear the words when she sings it. Maybe it is about something entirely other and is misremembered. It is a good tune tho. However I did hear the tune she sings called The Twisting of the rope in the Hammersmith centre Irish whistle group. The plot thickens....

Is there a place I can share the audio in case one of you knows it? She is from Enniskillen, not sure if it is local to there.

Subject: RE: Origins: The Rope - whistle and song tune
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 07 Sep 21 - 01:48 PM

Casadh an tSúgáin translates pretty much as Twisting of the hay rope.

I stick with my post from 12 April and think that's the one you are looking for. There are other tunes than the Bothy band one, perhaps search for the air as played by pipets. Willie Clancy's playing of it should be online somewhere, for example but plenty of others have been recorded playing it.

Subject: RE: Origins: The Rope - whistle and song tune
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 07 Sep 21 - 01:59 PM

Here's Joe Heanry singing both versions:

https://www.joeheaney.org/en/casadh-an-tsugain-1/

Subject: RE: Origins: The Rope - whistle and song tune
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 21 - 02:00 PM

Joe Heaney, sorry about that.